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9:03 PM
@egreg Thanks. I must learn to work with \show
 
@AlanMunn What about starting every LaTeX guide by saying that \includegraphics doesn't need a figure environment around it? :)
In big type, repeating it every five pages.
 
@egreg Actually this question is much worse than that: the guy made images of Excel sheets and is inserting them in lieu of tables. OMFG.
 
@AlanMunn Yes, I've seen that and pushed it beyond consciousness. Probably I'll have a nightmare tonight. :)
 
@AlanMunn Wouldn't something like 'Here be dragons' better? There are times you might need to do any bad idea, but at the same time, chances are if you want to there is a better way.
@AlanMunn or say "Bad idea"
 
@Canageek Unfortunately, since tags are about questions not answers, such a tag will never see the light of day, since the question likely wouldn't arise if the questioner knows that it's a bad idea. (There are some exceptions to this rule, but those are usually )
 
9:18 PM
That would be cool to have tags for answers though, so you could tag the answer with the package used. For example, I ask about non-float environments; The question shouldn't be tagged as it is package agnostic. But you could tag the answer that contains 'caption' with said tag.
 
@Canageek If there was a way to tag an answer specifically, yes, but I'm really opposed to tagging questions according the the answers they have (even if it's the accepted answer.) There's been some discussion of this on meta.
 
@AlanMunn I meant for each answer, so they would have a tag set you could search for.
 
@Canageek Yes, I agree, that might be a useful thing to have.
 
9:40 PM
@AlanMunn I'll add it to my wishlist right after the ability to use Powerpoint for a frontend for beamer.
 
I am back! :)
 
@PauloCereda Did you bring me a plugin to make Powerpoint use Beamer for its typesetting?
 
@Canageek No. :( But I'll think of something. :)
 
@PauloCereda That is my current dream: Add TeX as a plugin for other programs, so you make your document in X, then hit compile and it just runs over the text and makes it into nice, justified paragraphs. Ex: Powerpoint, word, Firefox.
@PauloCereda In the last case, tie it to something like the Read Now extension, so you hit a bookletmark and it remoes all the sidebars and ads and cruft.
 
@Canageek I'll try to come up with something for Powerpoint. Sounds reasonable. :)
 
9:47 PM
@PauloCereda Well, I guess it is only needed for when you use it for posters, as you shouldn't have enough text on a slide to need to tell the difference between justified and ragged left.
 
10:19 PM
@AlanMunn: I have a new app name: Code Doughnut :)
 
11:09 PM
Mac users, don't click here. Spoiler: it's has a cute design, I wonder why. Oh, and think totally different. :P
 
Cool, I just got a badge from talking on here
@PauloCereda But why would you use a MAC interface on Linux?
 
@Canageek Yay, congrats! :)
 
KDE3 was so nice sighhhhh
 
TBH I'm inclined to KDE4 instead of KD3. :)
I still like Gnome 2 more than 3, though I'm learning how to use it.
XFCE is also great.
 
@PauloCereda I've not had luck with KDE4. Way higher requirements, odd choices. I just want a solid desktop environment and wish everyone would stop trying to be fancy.
I don't want a fancy widgety thing, or spacial file management, a super-bar at the top, etc. I want a nice bar with icons and a list of my windows, virtual desktops, and a space for the windows to live. Desktop icons nice, but not actually really required. Windows clicking together and having resistance and the edge of the screen and such is also a plus.
Well, is is only kind of an answer, but hopefully it will point someone who knows what they are doing in the right direction
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Q: Selectable picture environment in PDF

mprI'd like to be able of copy & pasting the results of a picture environment in a PDF file to a plain text file. The problem is that once I copy the text the results are unsatisfactory: for example, if the picture consists solely of lines, there's nothing to be selected to begin with. To give...

 
11:23 PM
@Canageek I agree. IMHO the problem with the new desktop managers is the annoying "requirement" of fancy stuff going on (animations). :(
 
@PauloCereda Light animations are fine. Redoingi the whole enviomrent to keep up with Windows/OSX? BAD DEVS, BAD
 
@PauloCereda When will they be sued?
 
@egreg I was wondering the same! :D
 
I hear there is a lightweight KDE2 type environment out, wonder if that is any good?
 
@AlanMunn: I read something funny today in the news: Johnnie Walker wants to sue a company which produces a cachaça named "João Andante". :)
 
11:34 PM
@PauloCereda How about everyone needed transparency and 3d on everything? Yay for pointless GPU/CPU overhead :P
 
@Canageek This will become true. NVidia released the CUDA compiler. :P
Soon I'll compile my TeX stuff only with my GPU. :)
Or my toaster.
 
@PauloCereda It isn't already? Looks at Win7. Looks at MacOSX. Looks at KDE Sorry, what doesn't have pointless transparency again?
@PauloCereda With LuaTeX?
 
@Canageek Yay! :)
 
Here is an idea: LaTeX as an eBook format. Just reformat it for the specific devices screen size. Would work at least as well as HTML, as long as there are few graphics...which generally don't work so well on phone screens anyway.
 
@PauloCereda Why using a toaster? You can compile TeX with your own mind. :)
 
11:39 PM
Someone write me a LaTeX compiler for Android, Nook and Kindle!
 
@egreg My brain was discontinued. It's not supported. :)
 
@Canageek There was an impressive demonstration by Kaveh Bazargan of an on-the-fly resizing with TeX on an iPhone. He used an especially tailored form of xetex.
@PauloCereda Get version 2.0
 
@egreg How did it work? Isn't the fixing the paragraphs one of the long parts?
 
@Canageek They transformed the text into a very elementary Plain TeX source. The paragraphing algorithm is quite fast, actually. If you set a high pretolerance (and are not very fussy about spacing), the first pass without hyphenation will succeed almost always.
 
@egreg So what we need is to put ebooks into TeX format. Most are just text, possibly chapters titles, so that should work.
Sounds like even a kindle would be fast enough for that. No idea what to make the output format though.
 
11:45 PM
@Canageek Will you do it? :)
 
But that would really make me more intrested in an ebook reader if I could have TeX level paragraphs and eInk
 
Seriously, I didn't hear about developing that idea.
 
@egreg Have you see how terrible my coding is? If I write it then you'll have to wait a couple years each time you open the book, and there may be random crash bugs.
@egreg I would probably donate a few bucks if someone worked out the cost and put up a kickstarter though.
 
@Canageek IIRC, the text was coded in LaTeX, then transformed into XML and then again into streamlined TeX code.
 
@egreg If you are starting from xml, couldn't you convert existing ebooks that are in xml based formats?
 
11:49 PM
Let me record a video, hold on.
 
@Canageek With some XSLT magic, probably something can be done.
 
@egreg Despite how much people repeat that it's impossible to "compile LaTeX code to TeX code", it is actually possible to some extent: I wrote some code this summer which emulates a few parts of TeX in TeX, and I can go from a LaTeX code to a primitive-only result. For instance, \section{Hello world} would become something like \vskip18pt\noindent\begingroup\twelvebf 1. Hello world\endgroup
 
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