TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2011-10-20

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3:10 AM

Argh! After having spent some time trying to properly format my answer to Bruno Le Floch's question I give up! I couldn't find a way to keep the numbering sequence! If someone could help me with this issue, I would be very thankful. Here's the link to the answer tex.stackexchange.com/questions/32100/…

3:22 AM

@GonzaloMedina Done. It's quite annoying how easy it is to mess up, and it's never obvious how to fix it.

3:34 AM

@AlanMunn That sounds like the programs I've been writing all evening.

@Canageek :-) What language?

3:45 AM

@AlanMunn C++

@Canageek Ugh.

@AlanMunn What would your langage of choice be?

@AlanMunn Thank you very much!

@Canageek I don't do much programming these days, but my language of choice these days is Ruby.

@GonzaloMedina You're welcome. BTW the question about memoir and tkz-berge could do with some close votes. (It's solved via the comments, but very localized.)

@AlanMunn I'd love it if I could find a nice, elegant, compiled, statically typed language. However everyone seems to use C or C++ in that catagory.

3:54 AM

@AlanMunn Agreed, and voted to close as too localized.

@Canageek OCaml?

@AlanMunn Never looked at it. Downside is no one I'd be working with would use it.

@Canageek Yes, that's always the problem of choosing something like that.

@StefanKottwitz Hi, how was day 2?

Stefan Kottwitz

4:30 AM

@AlanMunn It's just starting with the first talk about methods for bibliographies

@StefanKottwitz Ah right. Time zones and all that. :-) Methods for bibliographies = biblatex, I assume? Anyway, have fun at the conference.

It was nice to read your summary in the blog.

Stefan Kottwitz

@AlanMunn Right :-) thanks

Stefan Kottwitz

4:48 AM

TUG 2011 Live stream: river-valley.tv/broadcasting

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5:20 AM

@AlanMunn OCaml brings me good memories. :)

(I can't believe I woke up 3:00 am to watch the TUG 2011 live stream)

OMG Windows XP. o.O

@Stefan: wave to the camera. :)

@PauloCereda I've up for 40+ hrs now, and staying up to see Frank Mittelbach's talk in 2 hours (and meet with my supervisor in a couple more hours).

@BrunoLeFloch wow Bruno, you are brave. :)

@PauloCereda Mostly by accident.

Has anyone watched the talk on data structures yesterday? I missed it :(

5:35 AM

I said to Joseph that next year's TUG either him or you should speak of LaTeX3. :)

@PauloCereda Is the country already decided?

@BrunoLeFloch Joseph mentioned it would probably be in Boston, US.

tug.org/tug2012/

Yes groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/… Shame, I'll probably be in Europe at that time

Oh noes, loud music is loud.

Gonzalo and I still envision a latin american TUG. :)

5:54 AM

@PauloCereda Please do!

6:05 AM

He mentioned lunch! Yay!

Now I want a "Antisocial programming" T-shirt.

6:36 AM

Did I hear "Martin Scharrer"?

you did :)

Ah cool!

"Can I show two slides, please?" ^_^

yes. And two more... etc.

I hope he doesn't take too much time from Frank M.

On the question of code beautifier, I am planning to write a LaTeX3 one eventually.

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I was thinking the same. Probably they'll make a shorter break.

Since every macro name contains the info about the number of args, it should be much easier than in LaTeX2e.

6:43 AM

@BrunoLeFloch That'd be awesome!

@PauloCereda But that's for next year. Wait a few minutes for a crazy claim that Frank might make.

Ok, he was quite mild about this 2012 prediction.

hehe

Yay, Joseph, Will and Bruno!

and CAKE!!!!!1

Made with one of the students. 150 eggs.

10 hours

(at least)

7:00 AM

:)

@BrunoLeFloch I missed that part: on my bike. What exactly did he say?

@JosephWright He mentioned that other members of the team said "maybe not 2012, maybe 2013".

Can't remember the exact words, though.

@BrunoLeFloch I'll be watching it all back when it's on the RiverValley 'on demand' site, so I'll check then :-)

We've still got a serious target

@PauloCereda Cake is good

@JosephWright Do you know how long that takes? My brother wanted to know more about what those floating ideas about css and latex were about.

@BrunoLeFloch It seems to vary: I guess that things are done by hand

For example, last year one or two talks turned up quickly, then other talks took a few weeks (I think)

7:08 AM

@JosephWright I think it also depends on how early the speaker gives them the slides.

@BrunoLeFloch I'm not sure: I thought they actually recorded the screen output along with the video ('lecture capture')

@JosephWright There was an announcement 1:30 hrs ago to all speakers that they need to give their slides.

@BrunoLeFloch Perhaps they will make those available too

@JosephWright They did. But it seems they put three elements in the video: the speaker, the slides and the overview screen (this one we are seeing now).

@Joseph: next year we want to see you and @Bruno there. :)

@PauloCereda Job-depending, I will try to reserve some space in my diary (Boston is not so bad, cost-wise)

It's the cost in time that is really the issue for me.

7:13 AM

I see.

@PauloCereda PhD-depending. Some complications because I'm half of the time in Canada, half in France.

@BrunoLeFloch We should try to arrange some form of LaTeX3 team meeting next time you are in Europe (at least you, me, Frank and perhaps Chris R.)

@JosephWright Sure. Technically next time I'm in Europe is in two weeks, but I'm only staying for 10 days, so best is to wait the following time (probably in the spring).

@BrunoLeFloch I was thinking 'some time off' so we can actually arrange something! I guess a weekend would be most sensible, certainly for me

A weekend is definitely the best. We'll just have to fix a country.

7:19 AM

@BrunoLeFloch Well, France is between the UK and Germany ...

wow, I thought I heard Xbox, but it was \fbox.

@JosephWright Makes sense :). I can't really think at the moment, trying to multitask between Frank's demo, manipulating some daggers, and not having slept for \SI{40}{\hour}.

@BrunoLeFloch :-)

(sorry to intrude on the conversation, but I find quite amazing the fact you guys can easily go across countries, as it has no boundaries. Since Brazil is of continental proportions, it would take almost several days to reach a bordering country.)

@PauloCereda I think Canada beats Brazil ;-).

7:23 AM

@BrunoLeFloch That's true! :)

@PauloCereda I've got sea to deal with :-)

@JosephWright Ah I forgot about that. :)

Look, you guys again! Yay!

@PauloCereda Okay, time for me to decide whether to eat crappy food now or wait 3 hours and eat a great breakfeast in a neighoboring restaurant.

@Joseph, listen hard to Frank's current statements

@BrunoLeFloch ?

@BrunoLeFloch Great breakfast, you are awake for too long, so your body needs vitamins. :)

7:28 AM

@JosephWright He said stuff about the galley and the ldb.

Not sure what (he was still next to the recording).

@BrunoLeFloch I was distracted. One to pick up on the on-demand version

(probably not on the on-demand version, since it was after the end of the talk) I think someone was asking him whether the ldb would allow to know info about "the end of the page" or something like that (dunno). And I think he said that in principle yes.

Depending on the status of the galley

@PauloCereda But I have to wait 3 hours if I do that. I could also decide to eat both.

@BrunoLeFloch Eat both then. ;-)

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8:58 AM

Yay, @StefanKottwitz is here!

9:15 AM

@AndrewStacey: A braids question, a braids question!

@BrunoLeFloch: I was thinking of a new name version for the next release of TeXPrinter. The first one was "Tasty waffles", current is "Apple pie". Thanks to you, the next one will be "Epic cake". :)

@Jake What, where, why, how, who????

May I?

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Q: Braid diagrams in TikZ

I need to use TikZ to draw some braid diagrams. These will be built from families of curves, which appear to cross over each other in places. At each crossing, it needs to be obvious which line is going over which, and so I'm using the TikZ double functionality, to draw a fat white line underneat...

@PauloCereda You should!

@Jake :)

9:31 AM

I'm very confused by this conversation! May you what?

@AndrewStacey I meant to show you the braids question. :)

@PauloCereda Ah, I thought you were going to answer it.

@Jake I wish! I can't even draw a straight line in TikZ. :P

@PauloCereda Ah, but you can draw a braid:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usepackage{braids}
\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}
\braid a_1 a_2^{-1} a_1 a_2^{-1} a_1 a_2^{-1};
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}

user image

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@AndrewStacey Is that it? o.O

9:38 AM

@AndrewStacey Sweet!

I guess that technically, this new question is a duplicate of that old one.

I bow before your Jedi braids technique.

The title before I hit submit:

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Q: spit table into multiple files

i want to split my table into multiple files: \input{table_head.tex} with following content \begin{table}[htpb] \centering \caption{Caption} \begin{tabular}[r]{ccc} \addlinespace \toprule A & B & C \\ \midrule \input{content1.tex} with following content A1 & B1 & C1 \\ \i...

Now it's fixed. :)

10:06 AM

@PauloCereda :)

10:58 AM

When you are a LaTeX newbie, every answer you actually know is a matter of time, because probably everybody else also knows it. I wasn't quick enough. :(

2 hours later…

12:32 PM

And after the question about braids, we get another about TQFTs!

@AndrewStacey "Looks like a bug to me. I'd demand my money back if I were you." - Epic! :)

I'm out of votes, but I'll upvote your answer ASAP. :)

egreg hits the rep cap, I hit the voting cap.

@PauloCereda Today is slower than yesterday. But I've faith.

@egreg Whenever you don't hit the rep cap, a TeX user goes back to Microsoft Word. :)

@egreg: any plans for this weekend? :)

12:57 PM

@PauloCereda Ouch! I must work, then!

1:10 PM

@egreg :)

1:53 PM

I can't believe I'm awake since 3am.

2:27 PM

What would be the best image to represent a changelog? I'm thinking of a document.

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5:15 PM

Anyone using RefTeX with yasnippet?

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Q: Using reftex-citation with yasnippet

I'm trying to make a yasnippet with this function \cite{${1:label$(unless yas/modified-p (reftex-citation nil 'dont-insert))}}$0 work but when I run it I get [yas] elisp error! The strange thing is that I have equivalent snippets but with reftex-reference instead of reftex-citation that...

6:03 PM

Extra kudos for the choice of book in tex.stackexchange.com/q/23860/86

@AndrewStacey Tolkien?

@NN That's the one.

For the mathematicians: in the question about variable sized |,
(http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/32051/variable-sized-such-that-pipe/32055#32055) is such a large "such that" considered good form? I don't find the result particularly pleasing or more readable than a one the same size as the more local surrounding part of the set definition.

6:23 PM

@AlanMunn Looks wrong to me (based on my Open University studies)

@AlanMunn might be better to go with \mid (which is the correct symbol rather than "|" for conditionalization I think)?

@AlanMunn I use "such that" a lot, and I stick with a normal |. :)

I agree. That's too large. The "such that" symbols is a normal sized symbol and shouldn't grow.

Here's something about \mid jblevins.org/notes/latex#conditioning

@AndrewStacey That was my thought, but I was just answering the question as asked. (And it's not like Donald Areseneau (who created the braket package) doesn't know what he's doing.

And apparently I've cornered the non-mathematician vote with my answer. :-)

6:46 PM

@AlanMunn Well, bra-ket notation is rather different to the case-in-point

@JosephWright Yes, but the \Set command is part of that package, and I assume is designed for defining sets. At least that's what the example in the docs has. (Not to mention its name...)

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Q: \usepackage[turkish]{babel} and \includegraphics inconcistency

Here is my document : \documentclass[12pt]{book} % must-have packages \usepackage[turkish]{babel} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} % This package will support Turkish chars % must-have packages \usepackage[a4paper,left=2.5cm,right=2cm]{geometry} \usepackage{graphicx} \usepackage{listings} % setti...

graphics languages include babel books

Interesting, if I comment the babel line, it works.

@PauloCereda Catcode problem: in Turkish babel, = is active

@JosephWright ah interesting. :)

@PauloCereda It's a well-known issue. For example, both kvsetkeys and l3keys include catcode-sanitization code for this type of problem

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Q: imgur image hosting

I noticed that there was an informational message in the past few days about imgur having issues. Now I see that that message is no longer appearing, but when I try to upload an image I get: Failed to upload image; the image format is not supported I am trying upload PNG files from a Mac, g...

Could other people test?

7:01 PM

@JosephWright It's working for me.

@JosephWright Oh I spoke too soon.

It's probably some issue associated with imgur and the SX auth token.

@PauloCereda What are you seeing?

@JosephWright I'm getting "Failed to upload image, please try again!"

And in the answer field, "Failed to upload image; the format is not supported"

@PauloCereda OK, there is also a message in the mods room. I'll add a system message

@JosephWright It doesn't work with jpg as well, so it's a server issue. :)

@PauloCereda System message is back for 24 h

7:07 PM

OK, good to know it is not just me...

7:51 PM

Is it possible to add a absolute path on windows to a /lstinputlisting? If so, how do I escape all the \?

@Canageek Use the Unix path separator, it works like a charm. :)

Instead of C:\myfolder\mycode.c, go with C:/myfolder/mycode.c

@PauloCereda And spaces?

@Canageek Are awkward: avoid!

Sometimes quoting "..." works

@Canageek Check this thread:

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Q: How to make \lstinputlisting applicable to file paths with spaces?

I am using the listings package and the path to the source code contains some spaces. For example, the path can be /some dir/sub dir/file 1.txt and \lstinputlisting{/some dir/sub dir/file 1.txt} does not work. Is there a way to fix this problem?

listings external-file input path

@JosephWright Yeah yeah yeah, I know But I can't escape them unix style in LaTeX

8:00 PM

@Canageek Doesn't work on Unix either :-)

TeX is very particular about spaces

Is quite a self-defense against fresh fruit. :P

@PauloCereda "What if he's got a pointed stick?"

@JosephWright Grrr ! Package Listings Error: File `''C:/Users/MyName/Documents/Uni/Principles of
Programming/cs2303/Assigments/Assigment 3/atom/atom(.cpp'')' not found.

@JosephWright haha priceless!

@Canageek Spacesinfilenamesareevil.

8:04 PM

@AlanMunn I know, I know, I'm breaking myself from the habit of using them, but I get into it again when I spend too long away from the command line.

Solution: Copy files into same directory and say ``Screw it''

Anyone want to recommend a good typeface for sourcecode? I find the lm typewriter is too curly in italics for my tastes.

@JosephWright Nobody says that phrase better than Eric Idle! I like the part when the students mention a pineapple and John is all scared, "where? where?"

@Canageek Did you try Bera Mono? \usepackage{beramono}

@egreg How do I get it to work inside Listings?

@Canageek There's an app, I mean tex.sx question for that. . tex.stackexchange.com/q/2241/2693

@Canageek It should just work. The package changes the ttdefault to beramono, and listings uses the ttdefault, doesn't it?

@Canageek Actually not quite it seems. But you can use basicstyle=\ttfamily

@Canageek You simply say \lstset{basicstyle=\ttfamily} (maybe also with \small), just as you would for getting CM Typewriter Type: the package beramono changes the default \ttfamily; listings, by default, doesn't use tt fonts.

8:15 PM

@AlanMunn Ah, so I can just add that to my \lstset

@Canageek Yes. (As @egreg just said too.)

@egreg No dice.

"There's an app for that" recommended video: youtube.com/watch?v=EhkxDIr0y2U

This looks to help: jevopi.blogspot.com/2010/03/…

Except it is XeTeX only. v.v

@Canageek LuxiMono and Courier are also for pdflatex: \usepackage{luximono} or \usepackage{tgcursor}

8:23 PM

I think I found it, I had 2 basic style commands

@Canageek Interesting. Is that a bug in listings? It should respect the ttdefault but it doesn't seem to.

@AlanMunn I had two \basicstyle and it was only taking the 2nd one. I merged them and it works.

@Canageek Odd. My test document doesn't work.

@AlanMunn pastebin.com/CK7MynzB

@AlanMunn No, by default it uses the normal font. By design.

8:39 PM

@egreg No, I understand that, but my little test document doesn't seem to work with basicstyle=\ttfamily

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{listings}
\lstset{basicstyle=\ttfamily}
\begin{document}
\begin{listings}

abc
\end{listings}

\end{document}

Of course, {lstlisting}, not {listings}

oh, I was going to ask that.

blushes

Martin changed his photo. Now he's wearing a very formal suit, it seems. :)

@egreg Duh. It's just that beramono looks unlike most other monospace fonts. Too many serifs for my taste.

8:57 PM

@AlanMunn Serifs? Only i, j, l, I and J have "serifs". Did you load \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}?

It's only available in that encoding; without it you get the Roman font.

@egreg Ok, so I'm not going crazy. No, I didn't have fontenc loaded in the minimal document. So I was getting the Roman font. Now it looks better.

Martin Scharrer

@egreg I was on a recruiting event today and got free photos from a professional photograph there.

@AlanMunn If you don't want to have globally T1 fonts, then \usepackage[T1,OT1]{fontenc}, \usepackage{beramono} (it accepts a scaled= option) and \lstset{basicstyle=\fontencoding{T1}\ttfamily}

@MartinScharrer Too serious? :)

@egreg I don't really want anything. :-) I was just making a minimal document.

Martin Scharrer

@egreg Well, I got another one where I smile like an idiot. :-)

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10:36 PM

I hate photos. I have no photogenic side.

Martin Scharrer

11:32 PM

I don't get the normal imgur dialog any longer for normal posts.

user image

Just this one. It's funny, because I still get the old one for the chat.

Ah, uploading is disabled ATM.

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/109857/…

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