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12:21 AM
For anyone with concerns about Hackintosh stuff in Ask Different: I have an answer to something that involves limited use of software that is OSx86-oriented. The skeleton of the answer is not ideal (I plan to flesh it out over the next few hours) but hopefully there's enough there to allay any concerns about allowance of the answer.
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A: How can I install Mac OS X Lion in (any of) virtual machine?

Graham Perrin10.8 (Build 12A269) in VirtualBox 4.1.18 or greater Not mentioned in my earlier answer, an approach to installing and running 10.7 in a VirtualBoxVM. Assume that this approach, originally for 10.7, will be equally good for 10.8. I'll build this answer over the next few hours, maybe testing as ...

 
 
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2:44 AM
@DanielLawson Oh snap, that's great. I totally forgot Apple had these old OSes available for free.
 
 
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6:26 AM
Ouch, this looks really bad!
(SO's main page right now)
 
6:45 AM
Hi @GrahamPerrin, just FYI, you can leave a comment at the bottom of your answer if you wanted to leave a note. If your post is flagged for whatever reason, the moderator, as well as other users who come across your post, will see the comment and will let you know if there is a problem :)
Flags are a bit overkill ;) Good luck with your answer!
 
7:09 AM
@jmort253 thanks … I wasn't sure about the flag, I was once told that it's the simplest (least noisy, least disturbing) and most targeted way of gaining moderator attention.
A different subject. Recently at least one answer has disappeared from under the following question. Some commentary was contentious, but I didn't imagine deletion of any answer …
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Q: Will Mountain Lion make an older computer run faster or slower?

jtbandesPerformance/responsiveness is a common concern with new software, especially on older machines. In general, upgrading from Snow Leopard (10.6) to Lion (10.7) wasn't too bad, but now Mountain Lion (10.8) is adding even more features such as Notification Center. What will be the performance impac...

Would it be polite/appropriate for me to open a separate question? Something like "On newer computers, is any aspect of working with Mountain Lion slower than with Lion?"
 
7:36 AM
@GrahamPerrin On the Q&A site itself, the flag won't be so bad, but chat flags are different. They reach a much wider audience. They're mostly intended for situations where there is a major problem.
As for your question, I don't participate on Ask Different, so I'm not really familiar with the rules and guidelines of this site.
My thought would be that as long as it's not excluded in the faq it should be okay.
Good luck! :)
 
7:51 AM
Aaaaaaaah! I got this bug as well on my sister's Mac after an upgrade to Mountain Lion:
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Q: How can one debug imagent issues?

eggyalI have just upgraded to OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion and am attempting to use Facetime and iMessage. Upon entering my Apple ID into the respective applications and attempting to sign in, I receive the following error message: The server encountered an error processing registration. Please try ag...

 
 
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9:12 AM
Welp, I have hit my computer's limit
Apparently it is not feasible to play a 6.2GB video file which has 500 frames in real time.
I even tried a ramdisk, still choppy...
 
 
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Q: Why does iTunes Match hang on Step 3 on files it has already processed?

Jason SalazI recently loaded a few hundred files into iTunes, and it's going through the paces of matching and/or uploading those files. But I've run into a problem, the process becomes stuck on Step 3 and never advances after hours of execution. After opening Activity Monitor, iTunes is taking anywhere ...

I wish I had some ideas for you @JasonSalaz on the match crud.
Anecdotally, I have heard good things from people that turned off match on all devices for an hour or an overnight on the premise that the cloud processes things to clean up your database files when it knows no device is set up.
@jtbandes Wow - is it I/O bound or CPU bound?
@GrahamPerrin Yup - chat flags are different. If you want clarification FAQ - a meta question is great as all site mods get pinged when a new meta arises. I think the site devs also see the pings, but screen for site wide issues most of the time.
 
4:13 PM
@bmike I/O. CPU usage was quite low.
 
@jtbandes interesting. What model? How much memory, and what type of disk?
 
@GrahamPerrin rMBP, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD.
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@jtbandes Hmm. I rarely work with video but if realtime for that type of media is sometimes a requirement, you might adventurously experiment with temporary unloading of the dynamic_pager daemon. If you do so, just keep an eye on the pie in Activity Monitor – use of real memory will be extraordinarily (pleasingly) different but without the daemon you will need to take care to not push the system to the point of stopping.
 
@GrahamPerrin It was merely a test (I was trying to find a video that was higher resolution than my screen, to see it in its full glory) — but thanks for the tip, that's good to keep in mind.
 
4:36 PM
@jtbandes Woah - that puppy has some serious memory bandwidth. It's still a bit awesome that one video stream could saturate the IO. If I had the change I'd get one of the rMBP and a Promise Thunderbolt RAID and geek out on video transfer benchmarking....
Spinning drives actually are quite good for feeding a lot of video data down a fat pipe.
SSD have high transfer rates for random IO, but fast HD with modern caches/head seek firmware are really good too at reading ahead and keeping the pump primed.
 
5:11 PM
@jtbandes Really! Wow...
 
6:06 PM
Have we ever had 21 active bounties before?
 
Not in memory
 
6:32 PM
It's really nice seeing the bounty system get a workout. I hope more people step up with a blog entry as well.
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7:17 PM
Hey everyone in the room. I'm looking for some assistance in cleaning up a question that was just closed as too similar to others.
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Q: Is there an application that organizes all the open windows in a desktop and organize them such that they can be viewed simultaneously?

Anonymous Possible Duplicate: What Window Management Options exist for OS X? I'm on a retina MacBook Pro and usually I want to see several windows together. For now I use BetterTouchTool with gestures to move window to the right and left, but that means I need to focus on both of the windows and...

Is anyone interested in editing this or helping differentiate it from the other window manager questions we already have on the site?
 
7:47 PM
@bmike Hint taken. I'll finish writing.
Congratulations, @stuffe
 
8:31 PM
Some new command-line utilities in Mountain Lion: http://apple.blogoverflow.com/2012/07/interesting-new-unix-commandsbinaries-in-os-x-mountain-lion/ (via @joesflow)
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@patrix is getting some welcome accolades for the very well done blog post. You should read it if you are interested in the terminal and new tools for Mountain Lion.
 
Well, this will be hard to top next time but I'll try again :-)
 
@patrix I'm just waiting for it to hit fireball. I'd guess today or tomorrow - but it might be a little too geeky to get linked there.
@patrix I'll look forward to another article when you feel the time is right :-)
 
The post is already doing well without fireball and I prefer the geeky stuff anyway, so this may be too high a goal...
 
8:52 PM
45,000 views so far (I'm not sure if I'm supposed to share that number, but no one's told me not to :)
 
In case I want to brag about it: How does this compare to other articles?
 
About 4x as much as the next most popular article we have
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9:08 PM
Hmm, not bad then. I'm still quite surprised about the outcome, the topic seems to have filled some gaps obviously.
 
9:22 PM
@patrix That article was awesome.
 
@NathanGreenstein Nice!! Lucky!! I wish I had that kind of traffic on my blog!
 
@daviesgeek The trick is to have that kind of content on your blog.
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Then again, if Siracusa linked it, that would be why.
@DanielLawson Yes, I know.
And I don't know that I have that.
 
Siracusa linked to it because of the content.
Not because of luck.
 
Okay, maybe I have some of that content, but I am often behind the times when I post stuff on my blog.
patrix's article was timely; right after the ML release.
 
9:27 PM
@daviesgeek But it had great information that wasn't available anywhere else.
 
Apple was glad enough to release ML during my holidays
 
@NathanGreenstein Oh, that too, of course.
 
OT from this discussion: Is the site loading oddly for anyone else? I'm not getting badge icons or up/down arrow graphics loading.
 
And it was fun to write, especially because I run across a lot of "unknown" commands in the past and wanted to get a better view on the new stuff in ML
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@DanielLawson Nope.
 
9:28 PM
@DanielLawson looks ok on my side
 
Just fine for me.
 
Thanks
odd
 
Try a Command + Option + R refresh
 
I did
 
Weird. Usually works for me...screenshot?
 
9:29 PM
Well, whatever the problem was, restarting Safari solved it.
 
that works too...
 
@patrix I love the idea of comparing the ls output from Lion and ML.
 
Another OT question: Anyone know of a good online logging tool? Just for numbers
 
What do you mean?
 
I need to be able to have multiple users log numbers and be able to see each other's numbers.
 
9:30 PM
Google Docs spreadsheet?
 
@NathanGreenstein Yes, but that could get messy with a ton of users.
 
@DanielLawson The idea occured to me about 15 minutes before the daily backup started, so there was definitively some luck involved
 
I suppose this isn't the sort of online logging tool you're looking for :-)
 
I also don't want to have to grant 100+ users access to the doc, nor do I want it public.
@DanielLawson Perfect!! Exactly what I want!
Is there a way to allow a user only access to a certain column in a GDocs spreadsheet?
 
It isn't online logging; it's instructions about logging that are online.
This is thinking outside the box, but what about Twitter?
 
9:32 PM
@DanielLawson ;-)
 
Everybody tweets their numbers. Anyone can read them.
 
@DanielLawson Eh...I don't have Twitter, nor will my parents let me get it.
Preferably I'd like a solution as such: Users can log into a site, record their numbers and see everyone else's numbers for the day/week, etc.
 
@daviesgeek How would you give access only to specific people without granting it to them?
Limited access and not sending invitations seem mutually exclusive
 
Seriously, custom twitter accounts for this purpose sound ideal. But I can't chmod your parents.
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@daviesgeek Some simple bugtracker maybe?
 
9:35 PM
Long story is that one of my friends started a workout challenge on G+. We are going to do 100 pushups a day for Aug.; 200 for Sept. etc. We'd like to be able to share numbers back and forth.
 
I don't know much about G+. Are there features within that that would work?
 
@NathanGreenstein Say that again? The way you said it doesn't make sense to me...I'm missing something...probably me, not you....
@DanielLawson I wish!
 
Or a mailing list (very low tech, but with Twitter out of the equation)
 
@DanielLawson No. He created a G+ event and we were going to log #s in the comments, but I really don't like that idea, so I'm searching out a solution. Gdocs seems like the way to go...
 
If you want to limit access, you have to somehow authorize/authenticate the users. And this implies some communication upfront
 
9:36 PM
@patrix Maybe that.
@patrix Yes. We were all invited to a G+ event.
 
What kind of scale are we talking about? How many people?
 
I'm not the G+ expert, but can't you just keep posting your numbers into a closed circle?
 
@DanielLawson As of right now, 60, but he invited over 300 people.
 
There are 300 people on Google Plus????!
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(Sorry, couldn't help it)
 
@NathanGreenstein ;-P
 
9:38 PM
and all all Google employees...
 
Ah ha! A share to G+ link!
Only people with the link can access the sheet
 
I don't think a Twitter or Comment or Email solution will scale to 300 users
 
@daviesgeek I can't pretend to understand parental restrictions, but how is using a system where each user can enter data that all the other users can read any different from using… Twitter?
 
@daviesgeek IIRC you have to make the document public before you can use that link
But I guess anyone without the link would still have to guess the URL
 
@DanielLawson Twitter is a social network. (though G+ is too...long story as to why I'm on that, but not FB) GDocs isn't.
 
9:40 PM
Speaking as a parent: Twitter is open for everything (which may be too much).
 
@patrix Well it depends on one's settings. But a Google Doc could be open to anyone. His blog is open to anyone. The distinction seems artificial.
 
OTOH, @daviesgeek runs his own blog, uses G+ etc. so maybe we can supply him with some powerful arguments for the next chmod attempt
 
@patrix Yes. I'm already working on that...
 
Nah, I'm just trying to encourage his parents to ban him from this site :-)
J/K
 
9:43 PM
I've asked about getting FB and Twitter. I'm spending "too much" time on the computer already.
 
Well, OK, quantity is a reasonable argument. It's not that Twitter is different; it's that it's one more thing. I do get that.
 
My oldest son is 16 as well, so let's just assume I know both sides of the discussion :)
 
@patrix :-)
 
I'm still wading into these waters as a parent, thankfully!
 
@DanielLawson Yes. And knowing the number of people I know who are on FB, I'd be stuck on there for awhile.
@patrix And BTW, it took a lot of convincing for that to happen too. They weren't too happy about it at first.
 
9:46 PM
@daviesgeek Speaking from personal experience, FB can suck up an incredible amount of time. I've gotten back in touch with good friends through Facebook, but yes, it takes time.
 
@daviesgeek I can relate to that somehow.
 
Two words: poke wars
 
Short version: I have a blog and G+ because I used the blog as a linking site for my boss. G+ is also for work. I use G+ Hangouts for working.
If I'm spending extensive amounts of time on a "social network", I'd rather it be here, since I'm actually doing something productive.
 
@NathanGreenstein That I've never encountered.
 
You're not FB friends with a bunch of teenagers :)
 
9:47 PM
OMG!! Seriously!
Some anonymous user opened the document, and locked me out.
 
Hey there 10K @stuffe
 
Never mind. I was locked out, but now I'm not...weird.
 
@daviesgeek Yes, you're still weird.
 
@stuffe You are at 10K? Congrats!!!
 
@DanielLawson I like a nice palindromic rep count :)
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9:49 PM
@DanielLawson :-P
 
well done!
 
Next milestone: 1337.
 
edits?
 
We now have 8 10K users. It's a good thing.
 
@DanielLawson I'm working on getting there...
 
9:51 PM
But then we wouldn't have 8 10K users.
 
Only 1801 left to go.
 
@daviesgeek Not if he get's you grounded from joining here...
 
@DanielLawson We'd be one closer to having 10 10K users. :-D
 
@daviesgeek I'm trying to overtake you anyway...
 
9:52 PM
@patrix Have fun with that.
 
but not tonight. It's close to midnight here so I'll going to catch some sleep now.
 
@stuffe will likely pass me soon at the rate he's going. And especially if I keep awarding bounties (one of which will go to him unless someone comes up with an answer that actually works)
 
More than likely you will. I don't spend enough time here to do that. I am happy that I passed up @JasonSalaz
 
For the moment
 
Sorry, @JasonSalaz I bumped you!
@DanielLawson I know.
 
9:54 PM
I'm yet to test screen sharing properly, but there's every chance I will be putting a 3rd bounty on the same question if nothings changed in ML
 
@stuffe you and with your three-time bounties
 
@DanielLawson I passed you (largely due to your own bounty) before, and you got me back ;)
 
So maybe we'll keep passing each other. I used to run cross country; that made for an interesting meet to be well-matched with another runner.
 
So, I'm off to read about all the 10k tools I don;t want ;)
 
@stuffe grin
 
9:57 PM
Ignore whatever you don't want to use.
 
Man those images could do with some serious love with something other than MSPAINT!
 
It means you can do some of our work for us! Yay!
 
the main one I want is the deleted posts.
 
To see them?
 
9:59 PM
@DanielLawson Yes.
 
In general, they aren't very good.
Which is why they get deleted…
 
I want to see my deleted posts. :-)
 
You mean posts of yours that moderators have deleted?
 
Yes.
 
I thought you already could see your own deleted posts.
 
10:01 PM
Besides that, I would like to see other deleted posts...
 
Can I convert an answer to a comment?
 
@DanielLawson But not in one place...can you see them all in one place?
 
@stuffe I don't think so, but you'd have to check.
@daviesgeek not as such.
 
Oh, never mind then.
 
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Q: Is the Notification Center in Mountain Lion not working as expected?

stuffeI'm trying to understand how to get Notifications working properly in Mountain Lion. I understand all the concepts about how to enable them, and configure them etc, but it doesn't seem to work as advertised. I'll use Safari as my example here: I have the following preferences set in both Syste...

 
10:02 PM
I would like just the milestone
 
deleted answers on this would make fine comments
Also, that's my only hope for a Nice Question, I was on 7 and got a - :(
 
@stuffe I think only diamonds can do that
 
@stuffe If the answer-to-comment adds some helpful content, we will sometimes convert them to comments, but if they're just "Hey, I've got that problem too" then we don't.
 
I am trying to figure out if there is a pattern, sadly it seems randomly borked in different ways,
 
Okay. Spreadsheet experts. I have a question. I want to fill 365 adjacent cells in a column with consecutive date. I.e. Cell 1 = 7/30/2012, Cell 2 = 7/31/2012 etc. How do I do this?
I know it is possible. I've seen my Dad do it. I just don't know how.
 
10:06 PM
@stuffe Your title on that one is rather vague… can you refine it past "not working as expected"?
@daviesgeek Excel or that inferior Apple product?
 
@daviesgeek Just add one to the date and fill
 
@DanielLawson GDocs.
 
@daviesgeek never used it.
 
@NathanGreenstein It doesn't like that.
 
10:08 PM
Working for me :/
What format are the dates in?
 
facepalm Duh! I don't want to add one to "Date"
Stupid me.
 
Type the first date in one cell, type the next date in the sequence you need in the next, select both, and then corner drag over the next 300 odd cells
 
Got it.
thanks @NathanGreenstein
 
@stuffe I'll admit. I was the downvote, but I'd love to be brought around. I am having trouble imagining what an answer to the question would look like.
 
And @stuffe
 
10:12 PM
@DanielLawson Well, assuming that this is indeed the case, an acceptable answer is "Yeah, it's buggy, these problems are fixed in 10.8.1" - although obviously this answer may take a while if that's the way
 
@stuffe Fair enough. So the question is "is this a bug?"
 
Well, that's one scenario.
 
Ah ha! Mastered it. Posted a link, and people wanting access have to ask for it.
 
My understanding of the way they work could be wrong, or it maybe as per design that when I switch back to Safari they go away (like the do for messgaes). I'm not sure, but I know it's not right
Someone may at least spot a pattern, like if the window is minimised this happes, if you have it open but not active, that happens, if it's open, but on another screen etc etc...
It would help if I could create my own alerts. I seem to recall a website you can go to to trigger them at will for testing
 
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A: How can I trigger a Notification Center notification from an AppleScript or shell script?

Steve Moserterminal-notifier From the README: terminal-notifier is a command-line tool to send Mac OS X User Notifications, which are available in Mac OS X 10.8. It is currently packaged as an application bundle, because NSUserNotification does not work from a ‘Foundation tool’. radar://1195...

@stuffe Undownvoted. (and I didn't feel guilty about the downvote because I've given you a ton of upvotes recently)
 
10:19 PM
Cool, nor should you, but cheers
 
Speaking of mysterious downvotes, someone downvoted that question ^^^ :(
 
@stuffe I read the question, said ugh, downvoted, saw it was you, and then said ugh again because I wanted you to hit 10K.
@NathanGreenstein That was definitely not me.
 
@DanielLawson Super - I'll try to debug every possible safari state when sending them, see what happens
 
@DanielLawson Must have been an Apple engineer who didn't want to be put in charge of implementing AppleScript support for NC :)
 
@NathanGreenstein It's a great Q, so I just put one back on for you - surprised I hadn't seen it before
 
10:22 PM
Thanks :)
 
@NathanGreenstein If there's an app that needs a great scripting dictionary, it's NC. Of course that's true of the Dock too, but no love there.
If only Exposé/Dock had a great scripting dictionary!
 
@DanielLawson I resorted to a UI script for hiding the Finder's dock icon
Felt dirty for days
 
UIScripting is nothing to be ashamed of!
 
right, 10 minutes of Walking Dead, then off to bed.
 
Night! Try not to dream of zombies.
OT: This is awesome. SE chat should do something like this.
 
11:09 PM
1 hour ago, by daviesgeek
More than likely you will. I don't spend enough time here to do that. I am happy that I passed up @JasonSalaz
1 hour ago, by daviesgeek
Sorry, @JasonSalaz I bumped you!
Two lines, one following the other immediately.
 
did we already link TUAW's post in here?
 
Don't think so
 
Also, Nathan, you didn't post this.
Some new command-line utilities in Mountain Lion: http://apple.blogoverflow.com/2012/07/interesting-new-unix-commandsbinaries-in-os-x-mountain-lion/ (via @joesflow)
 
11:40 PM
bah
my scrollback is suddenly missing and I didn't bother to view more history
oh well
 

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