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12:00 AM
A friend of mine in Athens has complained multiple times about Amazon and USPS. I've never had trouble. Did UPS leave you a slip of paper giving you choices for redelivery?
 
I cannot believe that there are 8 answers to this question
 
Hi, @robjohn ... 2 days.
 
@TedShifrin Great! I hope your move is uneventful.
 
This place is full of bottom-feeders, just like the Republican party :D
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@TedShifrin: They're hypothetically redelivering it today between 2 and 5. Oops.
I have been in the living room that entire time. They have not come.
 
12:06 AM
Conceivably it could be a little bit after 5. Did you not get tracking info?
 
Yes, it's been "out for delivery" since 6AM. Yesterday I left my apt about 10 minutes before they tried to drop it off.
I'm sure they'll come, but it's frustrating.
 
Amazon needs to give you a partial refund for sure.
 
Listen now to the following statement carefully
I have got a result these moments that would shake many hearts of great mathematicians.
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I'll never forget 22 July 2015 3:00 AM.
(and the adjectives lost their power to describe things)
I'm out.
 
 
2 hours later…
2:16 AM
evening chat
 
@Semiclassical it is an evening chat...
 
2:48 AM
Hiii
 
Hi pal
 
 
5 hours later…
7:23 AM
It is also a quiescent chat.
 
7:55 AM
@BalarkaSen hi, long time no chat
 
@MikeMiller interesting geometric interpretation of free resolutions : take an acyclic CW-complex $X$, and let $\tilde{X}$ be it's universal cover. lift cell structure of $X$ to $\tilde{X}$. let $C_n$ be the collection of $n$-cells of $\tilde{X}$. $C_n$ is naturally a $\Bbb Z[\pi_1]$ module, coming from the action by deck transformation. so we have a $\Bbb Z[\pi_1]$ resolution of $\Bbb Z$ : $\Bbb Z \leftarrow C_0 \leftarrow C_1 \leftarrow \cdots$, where the maps are the bd maps.
 
i found a typo in hatcher lol
 
I guess tensoring it with $\Bbb Z$ and computing cohomology after chopping off the first term gives the group cohomology of $\pi_1(X)$?
hi @iwriteonbananas. interesting, what's the typo?
 
@BalarkaSen: What you're mentioning now is the easy direction of some exciting work of Wall. Indeed, a group $\pi_1$ has a finite CW-complex model for $B\pi_1$ iff $\mathbb Z$ admits a free $\mathbb Z[\pi_1]$-resolution.
 
@BalarkaSen look at the beginning of the proof of the five-lemma. he takes $c'\in C'$ and then omits the prime in two spots when he shouldn't
 
8:01 AM
@MikeMiller oh, nice. the proof of the other direction is hard?
 
I've never read it.
Relevant paper should be something like "Finiteness for CW complexes II".
 
ok, thanks! that seems interesting.
@iwriteonbananas I'm going to believe you. Mail him!
 
ok, will do
gotta do more exam prep, bubye
 
bye, i have to leave in a few minutes too
 
8:18 AM
Finite free $\mathbb Z[\pi_1]$-resolution. Forgot an adjective.
 
9:10 AM
@Chris'ssistheartist اhappy for u whats that ?
 
9:28 AM
why are mods staying idly to banality like this
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Q: How do I solve the equation $e^{\ln(2x+1)} = 5x$?

Andrew Montes De OCaThe problem is $$e^{\ln(2x+1)} =5x$$ I've tried using natural logs to both sides like.. $2x+1= \ln 5x $ But I'm not sure if $\ln$ and $e^{\ln}$ cancel out.

if had the authority over this, i would nuke em all
 
user147690
@Agawa001 Why do you want it deleted? Also you have cast 0 downvotes?
 
because it doesnt even fit for high class question
 
r9m
10:04 AM
@Chris'ssistheartist what kind of result are looking forward to be shaken by? :D
 
Hi @robjohn
 
@evinda hello
 
@robjohn How are you? :)
 
10:24 AM
@evinda pretty good, and your?
 
@robjohn Fine, thank you :)
@robjohn Is it sunny there?
 
@evinda It is 3:30 AM, so no.
 
Oh! Aren't you sleepy? @robjohn
 
@evinda yeah, but people keep pinging me! ;-)
 
@robjohn I am sorry :(
 
10:27 AM
@evinda I am joking... if I were sleeping, my computer wouldn't wake me.
 
@robjohn :D
@robjohn Do you take a nap in the afternoon?
 
@evinda can I take a nap and do math at the same time?
 
So you are doing math the whole day? @robjohn
 
@evinda no.
 
@robjohn Do you work as a teacher?
 
10:31 AM
@evinda many years ago.
 
@robjohn I see... What is your favorite field in mathematics?
 
Mine is $\mathbb Z_7$
 
@dREaM Algebra?
 
$\mathbb Z_7$ is my favorite field.
 
@dREaM A ok :D
@dREaM How is it going?
 
10:35 AM
that's actually not true I think $\mathbb R$ is my favorite field
It's going good :)
how are you doing?
 
@dREaM Fine, thanks
 
I hear they opened the banks today
 
@dREaM Yes, they did.
 
@evinda Do I have to choose? There are so many interesting ones.
 
Do you live in in the northern part? I heard some people over there started to use Levs
 
10:37 AM
No, you haven't. :) @robjohn
 
@dREaM $\mathbb{C}$ is pretty neat. Contour integration is pretty cool
 
@dREaM Levs? I live in Crete.
 
I don't know what that is.
@evinda It's the bulgarian currency.
 
@dREaM A, I see..
 
@robjohn I think I'm going to learn that in two years.
 
10:39 AM
We don't use Levs. @dREaM
 
There is going to be an online coding competition today
 
@dREaM At which site?
 
codeforces.
do you know about that one?
 
@dREaM No, I havent heard of that. So they write a code, and the one that finishes the earliest will win?
 
there are five problems and you have to write a code for each one.
 
10:43 AM
@dREaM In which programming language?
 
you can choose, I think python, java, c++, c , c#, Haskell
I think there are even some weird ones like php
there are others but I'm not sure
 
@dREaM Aha... Will you participate? How will the winner be awarded?
 
Huy
Why is PHP weird?
I'd go for Python or PHP.
 
I would always go for python
Hello@Huy
 
I don't know, c++ is the most common though
 
11:09 AM
@Rememberme Hello
 
Hey dream
 
I have a competition in less than a week and I didn't study all vacations :(
 
Oh.. thats not good timing at all
 
yeah, I hope my team-mates studied
otherwise we would be attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis.
 
@dREaM If you are free try listening to this
 
11:14 AM
or maybe not
fiuf, I deleted that just in time, before an admin came into chat.
@Rememberme do you like electric music and such?
 
No only metal.. that too alternative
 
Is Alex Gruber still moderator?
This problem is such a drag :( brilliant.org/problems/the-digits-abcabd
 
11:36 AM
Hello@Balarka
 
@Balarka I am having difficulties understanding components of a connected set.. I cannot think of a picture for it, I tried with $\Bbb{R}_l$ but was of no use
 
$\Bbb R_{\ell}$ is hard to visualize.
By "components", you mean "connected components"? What to understand about it? Read the definition.
 
I dont get a picture for the connected components
How to visualize connected components
 
If you want an example, consider disjoint union of a few closed disks in $\Bbb R^2$.
Each disk here is a connected component.
 
11:41 AM
How can you say that a disc there is a connected component (this is precisely what my question is)
 
Prove it yourself. If you know the defn, you should be able to do that in no time.
 
Because the discs are connected and disjoint ? or is there some other reason
Okay the union of these discs is the whole space and they are disjoint and connected .. that is why they are an example of connected components of a set I guess.. Am i right @Balarka
 
you've given me no proof so far.
 
Okay...
 
12:02 PM
@AlexClark no i dont downvote people usually, i just upvote unless something bugs about the question, i just leave a constructive non-offending critical comment
i dont leave unjustifiable dvt, no
i have posted a peer leveled question which was been closed as unclear, where u still see these (solve x+1=2) questions in an outstanding community like se
 
12:16 PM
Okay I got this so far..
x~t if there is a connected subspace of X which contains both x,t. The collection of all these sets are called the components of a set
 
Huy
@BalarkaSen: The Lie algebras of $SO(3)$ and $S^3$ are isomorphic, right?
 
Now in our case a disc $D$ is a connected component of the set $R^2$ because a disc is a connected subspace of the $R^2$ and for a given $x,t$ we can find a disc which contains both x and t. .. to make it better let $\epsilon$ and $\epsilon-\dfrac{1}{2}$ be two numbers in $\Bbb{R^2}$ such that $0<\epsilon<1$ then we can find a disc centered at the origin which contains both $\epsilon,\epsilon-1$ . therefore a disc is a connected component of $\Bbb{R^2}$.@Balarka
What are you studying @Huy?
@Balarka The earlier message was too old to edit so writing a new one ..
it should be $\epsilon-\dfrac{1}{2}$
 
Huy
@Rememberme: Just repeating some basic differential geometry exercises because I forget a lot.
 
12:45 PM
@Huy indeed, thanks.
 
lol moderators of math.se are more than any other place
 
Huy
@SohamChowdhury: That was a late response.
 
arXiv vs MathOverflow - popularity of disciplines meta.mathoverflow.net/q/2363/9479 i.sstatic.net/p5UQI.png
 
and u still see upvoted questions like this
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Q: Is there no such identity as $\csc^2+\sec^2=1$?

John$$\csc^2+\sec^2=1?$$ I thought I could just use reciprocal from the other formula $\sin^2+\cos^2=1$, can you explain what's wrong?

[slaps head]
 
@BalarkaSen I mailed him a bunch of typos once. we had a little convo.
@Huy indeed.
 
Huy
12:56 PM
@Agawa001: Why are you getting so annoyed at questions which you don't care about? Just ignore them.
 
@Huy why ru annoyed by my posts just ignore me
 
Huy
No worries, done. Less troll content for me.
 
@Agawa001 That's actually a good question
 
@dREaM 1/x^2+1/y^2=x^2+y^2 is good question ?
 
that's not what he asked
 
1:02 PM
yes it is, read carefully
 
he asked $1/x^2+1/y^2=1\iff x^2+y^2=1$
 
ah that seems way different
 
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Q: How many words can be formed using all the letters of "DAUGHTER" so that vowels always come together?

shubham saykhedkar I understood that there are 6 letters if we consider "AUE" as a single letter and answer would be 6!. Again for AUE it is 3!, but I didn't get why to do 6! * 3!. Can't we just add (6! + 3!) to get final result?? PLEASE HELP ME.

 
i thought 1==1 before ,
 
this question is worse, it has been asked like four billion times
mutatis-mutandis
 
1:07 PM
this was good question dREaM, it s not asking to solve "x=2x+1"
@Huy look ,i know you and many others are dragging me to get banned here but it wont work
 
1:20 PM
@Agawa001 you are wrong
 
@dREaM about the question ? yes it is worth to be posted
 
no, you are wrong
 
why, its average problem in combinatorics
 
ok
 
not something like "proof 1+1=2"
 
1:23 PM
ok
 
1:48 PM
^^^ beautiful face of math
bbl
 
yes keep making more of these
and i wish your book satisfies enough space for such gigantic formula
 
@Agawa001 I'll be kind in my book and not add such ones.
 
2:03 PM
@Chris'ssistheartist so kind from you to not blow people's minds :D
 
blowing their minds just at the right time is the secret to having a best seller
 
@SohamChowdhury from his point-set book?
@Huy I don't know what a Lie algebra is.
 
@Agawa001 :D
 
@dREaM After checking a few cases, I think there is a unique choice of N.
 
@Rememberme connected component $\neq$ connected subset. That's precisely why I told you to read the definition.
@Rememberme No, no, no. The equivalence class of an element is called a connected component. But even before that, you have to verify that the relation is an equivalence relation.
 
2:16 PM
@BalarkaSen yes.
 
I've never been much of a typo-checker, myself :P
Probably because I don't read things carefully enough.
 
not just typos.
 
clarifications?
 
he used "subspace topology" before defining it.
 
aha.
 
2:18 PM
also, he said that his notes cover most of the point-set background.
the rest can be learned as you go, he said.
 
SB won't agree :P
but anyway, your choice
 
I'll just study algebra now.
Doing point-set rigorously to SB's standards would kill me.
 
point-set is beautiful, not sure what displeases you
 
at least the little I've seen is very nitty-gritty and analysis-ish. that doesn't speak to me for some reason.
 
probably because you're not doing the right book? I learnt my basic point-set from Simmons, and I've found all of it very visual.
 
2:21 PM
even then.
besides, geometry is getting interesting too.
 
you have to correctly translate your geometric picture into rigorous mathematics.
@Soham what kind of geometry? euclidean? blergh.
 
probably because nobody ever told me that alg geo is the study of polynomial zeros!
(to some extent)
I have always loved analytical geometry. Like how looking at the equation of a conic tells you about its shape.
 
algebraic geometry is a lot more than study of locus of polynomials! but yeah, that's the classical-point of view. You can treat zeros of polynomials over affine/projective spaces as "curves"
 
I didn't even know that algebraic geometry is about stuff like that.
All I knew was "it's hard, stay away" :P
 
And you can try to analogize the analytic behavior of curves.
@SohamChowdhury Well, by definition, an algebraic variety is a zero locus of some polynomial over the affine space (over some field).
 
2:24 PM
I know that now.
If I had been exposed to what math actually is earlier . . .
 
But I agree that it's hard.
 
Of course :)
What things worth doing aren't?
Went to school?
 
nah. going once/twice a week.
 
cool school, man
 
exams right at the start of the next month.
 
2:27 PM
Aug 1-ish?
 
3.
:(
 
ours start on Aug 22 or so. still. :(
how well do you do, relative to what people do like in WBBSE?
 
not very good.
 
do you come in the top ~20, say?
 
nah.
 
2:28 PM
ah.
 
I usually don't study a thing except math and physics/chemistry.
 
haha
Chem is a pain in 11, as I've said.
I used to love organic chem as a kid of ~10. Then physics.
 
How about you? D'you come inside the top 20?
 
@BalarkaSen do u study physics ? tell me if a photon have a rest mass or not, i m interested in tis
 
yes, usually. just squeeze in somehow.
 
2:30 PM
@SohamChowdhury Not going to take chem in 11. Probably would take stat-math-econ.
 
I've been moving along the line.
 
@Agawa001 *photon. what's a rest mass? never heard of it.
 
mass at rest.
 
yes
 
masses increase with speed. relativity.
 
2:31 PM
Probably not.
It's a boson.
anyway, iunno.
 
do you play any instrument, B?
 
read any good Poe lately?
 
photon is the unique particle which moves according to speed of light, its mass is zero, but what about a rest mass
photon is swallawed by the collapsar, it means probably it has a rest mass, cause black hole swallows all particles which have a mass
noone knows
 
light is a wave
waves don't have mass
 
2:41 PM
electrons are also waves (you can do double-slit with them!), and they do have a mass.
 
but they don't travel at the speed of light
 
I don't get your logic.
Electrons can momentarily travel at the speed of light, btw. Why would you have florescence inside your cathode tube, then?
 
physics talk, hmm hmm
 
here comes le physicist.
 
snerk
 
2:46 PM
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Q: Why does the (relativistic) mass of an object increase when its speed approaches that of light?

KitI'm reading Nano: The Essentials by T. Pradeep and I came upon this statement in the section explaining the basics of scanning electron microscopy. However, the equation breaks down when the electron velocity approaches the speed of light as mass increases. At such velocities, one needs to do...

 
one thing re: relativistic mass---it was used historically, but it's really not a concept people use nowadays
 
I dunno. Explain florescence inside cathode tubes if they don't move at speed of light.
 
electrons dont move at speed of light (C)
 
That's doesn't contradict my argument about florescence.
 
2:49 PM
one other thing to be careful about: one can talk about electrons moving at the speed of light in the sense of QFT---i.e. virtual electrons---but you can't measure them as such
 
ah?
can you elaborate on that, @Semiclassical?
 
to put a bit more meat on that: in quantum field theory (really quantum electrodynamics here), one computes things via Feynman diagrams
 
@BalarkaSen do you mean LED ?
 
which are essentially schematic collision processes.
there's actually one drawn on my office's whiteboard, so let me give a description of it
 
@Agawa001 that's way too fancy. near-empty a glass jar, put a cathode and an anode in it and let electricity flow through. you'll get a green florescence inside. this is a standard fact.
@Semiclassical ok. i'm listening.
 
2:54 PM
i'm trying to get it right, so i'm talking a bit of time
(i don't do QFT on a regular basis)
 
ping me with your explanation. even if I go off, I'll read it later on and get back to you.
 
here's one very simple version: two electrons come in; one of them emits a photon, which is absorbed by the other, resulting in two electrons leaving.
 
wait, electrons emit photons?
 
they can.
what i'm describing there is Moller scattering
that's really how electrons interact: the elementary event is the three-body interaction of two electrons and a photon
now, that photon is a virtual particle: it's not one of the input or output particles. as a consequence, it doesn't have to strictly obey energy-momentum conservation (though there are still constraints)
however, that's not the only possible electron-electron collision. in quantum field theory, there are really an infinity of such diagrams.
for example, i could modify that exchange photon to not just transfer from one electron to the other, but additionally: the virtual photon annihilates into a virtual electron-positron pair, which subsequently collide together again to create a new virtual photon.
in that case, the electron-positron pair so produced don't have to satisfy the usual energy-momentum constraint, and in that sense i think they could move faster than light. but it's a part of the description of the event, not something that one actually can measure
now, re: cathode ray tubes---i haven't actually worked with the theory of those in a while. but i recall my solid state prof saying that, despite there being quantum aspects of it, what one is seeing is more of a classical phenomenon than one might think
 
electron emit a photon ? dont u think they emit neutrons ?
i feel so small in this conversation :D
 
Huy
3:09 PM
I have got a result these moments that would shake many hearts of great physicists.
$$F = ma$$
 
tell that to a rocketship as it burns off its fuel :)
 
Huy
Rocketships don't speak English.
 
by which i'm alluding to the fact that, strictly speaking, newton's second law is $F=\frac{dp}{dt}$ not $F=ma=m\frac{dv}{dt}$
 
Huy
In doubt, always assume constant mass.
 
yes, well, you can't in a rocket :)
 
Huy
3:11 PM
I have weighted a model rocket in my room 10 years ago and just recently, the weight has not changed.
 
has it flown in those ten years?
 
Huy
Yes, I take it with me on all of my holidays.
 
mmkay
 
Huy
On a more serious note, do you have any idea what a lecture on "Chaotically Singular Spacetimes" might be about, @Semiclassical?
 
nope
i mean, if it's spacetime then presumably its general relativity
but i don't do GR stuff, so i can't comment
 
3:17 PM
why not?
why no GR
 
Huy
Yes, why not? Are you not fascinated by $$G^{\mu \nu} = \kappa T^{\mu \nu}$$?
 
because i know only the rudimentary elements of general relativity; i never had to take a course in it, since i ended up going down the condensed matter route in grad school rather than astrophysics
shrug different people like different things. for me, quantum stuff is more interesting than general relativity
 
they're always arguing about black holes anyway :-)
 
if ever they exist
 
Huy
QM is hard to memorize for me.
 
3:24 PM
in The h Bar, 5 mins ago, by 0celo7
Perhaps the fancy quantum black holes are more social and prolific.
 
black hole thermodynamics and such are above my pay-grade
 
hi
would anyone be so kind to tell me if math.stackexchange.com/questions/1370157/… is clear?
 
3:47 PM
So except the first few lines I guess .. The rest of the proof is fine right?
After reading the definition again a connected component of a set is a connected subspace if I am not mistaken.@Balarka
Well for the proof that it is an equivalence relation :
We sat x~y if there is a connected subspace of X containing both x and y ... y~x just means that there is a connected subspace X containing both y and x that is similar to containing both x and y .

Reflexivity is very obvious ... X contains x, that is just same thing as x~x which would also mean X contains both x and x which is just that X contains x.

Transitivity : Let X be a connected set containing x,y and Y be a connected set containing y,z . Then $X\cup Y$ contains x and z . This will connected because X and Y will have an eleme
@Semiclassical I had a doubt to ask you?
 
Its about the Schrodinger wave equation
 
ahh
ask away
 
Well what my teacher told me today was that the zeroes of the schrodinger wave equation lead to the orbitals .. As in when you plot the zeroes they lead you to the various orbitals .
Is this correct ? @Semiclassical
 
not sure precisely what you're saying there. but i think you're getting at the fact that the wavefunctions of, say, a hydrogen atom can be labelled by how many zeroes they have
with those being the relevant quantum numbers of the system
 
4:03 PM
Okay so wont the schrodinger wave equation give me many solutions (since it is a pde) and will lead to different quantum numbers .
But why is that we only have four of them that is n,l,m,m_s
where m is the magnetic quantum number,
m_s is the spin quantum number
 
well, let's review. what system is this coming from?
 
I didn't get you..
 
what i mean is: orbitals of what?
 
I am talking generally about orbitals which(accordance to my teacher) are kind of shapes which you get when you plot the zeroes of the SWE . These are the places where the probability of finding an electron is very high
 
right. electron orbitals
 
4:07 PM
Okay so firstly my question was .. Why are orbitals only of this shape ... why not something else
And teacher told me ,'It is because of the solutions of SWE'
 
it really does come down to the SWE, in that they're solutions to a particular pde with certain boundary conditions
 
Can you explain those conditions to me because without it I wont think I will get the intuition behind learning this chapter
 
at least, that's how you get $n,l,m$. $m_s$ is due to the intrinsic spin angular momentum of the particle, rather than anything happening in space
 
Though quantum mechanics fascinates me a lot
 
sure. for $m_s$ i can't really give an answer at this level beyond "because that's how electrons work." you don't get that one from solving a pde
not the SWE, at any rate. (if memory serves, you can get it by solving the relativistic Dirac equation---but that's a whole other ball game)
 
4:11 PM
Dirac equation ...
 
if you're just doing intro quantum right now, don't worry about the Dirac equation.
 
Okay $m_s$ save it for later :) now lets talk about n,l,m
 
right
first: what is the SWE for this system? do you know it?
 
What I was told was this
$H\psi=E\psi$ where H is the Hamiltonian operator (about which I dont have any idea)
 
okay. that's true, but it's not the most helpful version of it in this context since one needs to specify what $\hat{H}$ is
 
4:14 PM
Yes I need its definition
 
Some closed forms do not look that friendly, but still there is a lot of beauty, it's a matter of developing the sense of art more. :-)
 
that was friendly?
:-/
 
Though I know one more I guess .... (I found this out from a bit of search)
the partial differentiation of x,y,z axis equals some h/4\pi I dont know it might be wrong @Semiclassical
 
@Chris'ssistheartist you may delete
 
I have no idea .... It is wrong I guess
 
4:17 PM
thank you
 
@skillpatrol It's just beauty in there. :-)
 
the relevant form is $$\hat{H}\Psi=-\nabla^2 \Psi-\frac{C}{r}\Psi = E \Psi$$
where $C$ is some positive constant and $\nabla^2$ is the Laplacian
 
@Chris'ssistheartist I don't want you to give away all your gems here :-)
 
$\nabla^2$ where it is the laplacian .. I knew that
Okay now how do you get n,l,m from this
 
@Chris'ssistheartist save them for your book
 
4:19 PM
there's also $\hbar^2/2m$ in front of the laplacian, with $m$ the effective mass of the nucleus, but that doesn't change the logic
 
@skillpatrol I had such a great time and fun while working on that. :-)))
 
and for simplicity i'll just take $C=1$
 
@skillpatrol Math makes laugh a lot, really. :-)
 
Okay...
 
okay. how many coordinates does $\Psi$ possess?
 
4:20 PM
3 ...
I guess
 
right. which is the same as the number of q-numbers. that's a bit suggestive
 
Oh..
 
but it's not a derivation, and that's what you want
 
Yes ..
 
to see the connection, we work in spherical coordinates. the laplacian is then a bit tedious to write out, so i'll refer to Mathworld
what one can notice then is that, while $\phi$ and $\theta$ are a bit tangled up, the $r$-dependence of the Laplacian separates out more nicely. namely, $r^2 \nabla^2\Psi = \partial_r(r^2 \partial_r \Psi)+Q(\phi,\theta)\Psi$ where $Q$ contains the two angular derivatives
as a consequence of that, one is able to do separation of variables in order to split the 3D SWE into a 1D radial part and a 2D angular part
 
4:29 PM
@Semiclassical Sorry I have to go.. Dinner is served .. Can we continue this later
 
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