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12:00 AM
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to denote the set of maps between two sets
 
only if you write $\text{Hom}(X,Y)$, Karim.
 
like Hom(X,Y) denotes the set of maps between X and Y
 
@TedShifrin I'm still trying to figure out why the vertical line and the horizontal plane, being orthogonal in R^3, turns out to be not orthogonal in R^4...
 
Sorry, and thank you actually, I do appreciate being informed
 
12:00 AM
oh I see
 
@MickLH I just realized I misspelled your name the first time around...oops
 
Oh, @FreshAir, they are orthogonal subspaces. Just not orthogonal complements. My sloppiness. Sorry.
 
@TedShifrin Oh okay - makes sense, thanks.
 
Sorry about that, @FreshAir. Too many conversations too many places.
 
No problem at all. Thanks for clarifying.
 
12:05 AM
Hey @TedShifrin
 
Heya @Ali.
 
What have you been upto
 
No good. What about you?
 
Trying to write a physics report
 
about what
 
12:06 AM
Due for tomorrow
 
Try to stay in an inertial frame, @Ali :)
It's way late there, man.
 
About series LCR
 
about what?
oh I don't like E&M that much
 
Its resonance and other nonsense
 
mechanics is more fun and relativity
 
12:07 AM
E&M is where it gets so cool. And the math is much more interesting :)
 
I agree
but then again relativity is also very interesting maths
its all interesting
 
not like circuits stuff @TedShifrin
yeah relativistic E&M is cool
 
whats not interesting is writing about uncertaintys and systematic error blah blah
 
no, circuits is boring. But that's not E&M.
 
Circuit theory is very interesting mathematicaly
 
12:08 AM
All the vector calculus with Stokes's Theorem and Maxwell's equations is sooo cool.
 
yeah
 
Most circuits are just systems of ODEs
 
^^ Yup.
 
hey @TedShifrin is $B^n = \{(x1,...,x_n) \in R^n | x_1^2 + ... + x_n^2 \leq 1\}$?
 
Here I am at the late hour trying to write coherent sentences about how I measured accurately off an oscilloscope screen.
 
12:10 AM
Yes, Karim.
LOL @ accurate from a screen.
 
yeah I hated labs
I suck in labs
no wonder people didn't pick me as lab partner
 
I was told not to spend half the paper looking at how to solve the second order ODE
but that was all i was good at
 
Not even if you show them how to use matrix exponentials? :)
 
I just need to quote math
 
Yeah, well, it is a high school physics lab, after all. :)
 
12:12 AM
I also have to write about health and safety
Risk assesment
 
oh it is not uni lab ?
 
I am still in high school
 
Health and safety? What?
 
Its just a signal generator man
it aint gonna shock nobody
 
I remember some danger in chem labs a lot more than in physics labs in high school.
 
12:13 AM
Yeah conc. sulfuric acid is nasty stuff
 
Yes, and it's great to drop water on it.
 
oscilloscopes on the other hand, although heavy, are no where near as dangerous
 
Well, I could drop one on you from a great height ...
 
@TedShifrin Our school uniforms turn red if you drop some on it
they are black
 
If you drop enough, Ali, you burn through the uniform quickly.
 
12:15 AM
People have some interesting scarring on their hands as well
But I always bring my labcoat
I mean I have studied chemistry for so many years but we are really learning it now
 
There's a lot of fascinating stuff in chemistry, particularly biochemistry and physical chemistry (thermo).
 
Might as well look the part
@TedShifrin My chemistry teacher talks a lot about representation theory in chemistry
fascinating things
 
Your chemistry teacher knows representation theory?!!!!
 
@TedShifrin He does have a phD
He is one of the cool teachers
His thesis was on uranium
 
wow, awesome.
 
12:17 AM
played with fluorine etc..
I have yet to encounter groups in physics
I know lie ones come up in quantum
eventually
hopefully
please
Anyway back to work
 
Night, Ali.
 
Night @TedShifrin
 
What are the chances that if I plug in a random vector into a quadratic form with 8 or 9 negative eigenvalues about the same size and 1 positive eigenvalue like 100,000 times smaller than any of the negative eigenvalues of getting a positive answer?
 
What are the chances you picked the positive eigenvector?
 
user174558
Hello @ted!
 
12:23 AM
hi @Jasper
 
Well it seems my vector is not random. Even looking at these forms, its still not so obvious to me why they aren't negative definite.
 
user174558
I got 33 upvotes for answering 'virgin' on English SE, LOL.
 
Answering it to what?
 
user174558
Male counterpart of virgin, LOL.
 
Oh. Sure.
 
user174558
12:25 AM
HAHAHAHA
 
Were there other answers?
@PVAL: Unless your matrix is $2\times 2$ or diagonal, I find it very hard to look at it and decide, "oh yeah, it's negative definite."
 
@TedShifrin They are not so far from being diagonal but quite far from being 2x2.
 
I inferred the latter, @PVAL. :)
You're doing $E_8$-type intersection forms? :)
 
Ya they look reasonably like $E_8$. They are unimodular (which I can prove) and clearly odd. Maybe there's an obvious reason why they aren't diagonalizable and then I would have the most elaborate proof of a small positive eigenvalue in a matrix I could imagine.
 
What do you mean not diagonalizable?
 
12:40 AM
over $\Bbb Z$
 
Oh, over $\Bbb Z$. But, still, diagonalize over $\Bbb R$.
 
The machine I am typing into tells me the have moderately valued negative eigenvalues and one extremely small positive eigenvalue. The things look reasonably enough like E_8 (to me) that I realized that I should maybe be surprised when the squares I was checking were positive. I am wondering if I can use some topology to deduce the existence of the positive eigenvalue (i.e. Donaldson + non-diag would imply a positve eigenvalue).
 
Ah, I see what you were thinking.
In the algebraic geometry setting, it's sort of like having the exceptional divisor figuring in your divisor when you thought you didn't. :)
 
Am I saying this correctly? "An eigenvector is some vector that's invariant under matrix multiplication and then scaling by its eigenvalue."
 
Better not to say invariant.
A NON-ZERO vector that is scaled when you multiply by the matrix.
 
12:51 AM
Ah. NON-ZERO vector
Why is saying invariant wrong?
 
Because the direction only is invariant.
The word invariant would tell you the eigenvalue had to be $+1$.
The grammar of your sentence is horrible, too.
 
Interesting...
Also, may I inquire as to what's wrong with the grammar?
 
You say an eigenvector is a vector with a property, and then there's "and then scaling." You mean, I guess, that the vector is invariant under the procedure of first multiplying and second scaling, but, of course, it is not invariant, unless you scale by the reciprocal of the eigenvalue. And then you're in trouble if the eigenvalue is 0.
Anyhow, I'm out of here.
Take care.
 
Thanks @Ted
 
1:28 AM
To all, if you are awake at this hour I would like to bid you a very good morning :)
 
Hi @TedShifrin
 
1:58 AM
It's 1 pm here :p
 
hi all, is there an easy way of seeing that the ideal (X^2+Y^2-1, Y^2+Z^2) in C[X,Y,Z] is a prime ideal?
 
 
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4:05 AM
what do you guys think it means when there's an asterisk next to a deadline on MathJobs.org ?
 
4:27 AM
throws tinsel all over everybody
I dunno why anybody would ever have a problem with @TedShifrin; he's awesome :)
And @BalarkaSen, telling people to stop starring your posts is just going to make them do it more.
 
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Just being honest, as only the creepy cat that I am can.
@SmokingGorilla, that sounds like the Price is Right.
And Gorillas shouldn't smoke. Or vape. Vaping's lame.
 
 
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5:31 AM
why did the activity here drastically die down in comparison to last year?
 
user61230
I grew hungry and ate most of the regulars.
 
5:47 AM
Hi, why is this true? Given any $\epsilon > 0$, there are partitions $Q, R$ such that $$U(f; Q) < U(f) + \epsilon/2, \quad L(f; R) > L(f) - \epsilon/2$$
 
Hey, is there any way to undo a bounty?
I accidently bountied the wrong question on the physics site
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So this moronic thing got it
 
haha
 
It's not that funny... ;-;
 
6:07 AM
@SirCumference-Pies Haha.
 
So...am I out of luck?
 
@SirCumference-Pies You can contact the team, but I suspect yes, you are.
 
It would be too easy to abuse, and I mean, it seems you did it deliberately since it has two dialog boxes.
 
Balarka
Please help
It's 3:08am
I moronically didn't even look at the question
I wouldn't give up 25% of my total points for no reason...
 
6:09 AM
Reputation points mean nothing.
 
They mean privileges...*sigh*
 
What privilege do you want?
 
Well...I was shooting for 1000 rep at most
Established
 
What privilege is that?
 
6:20 AM
Seeing vote counts and making tags seen rather cool. Where the latter is something you probably wouldn't ever get to use.(since the community always veto's it)
 
6:38 AM
Hello
What subject of math should I read. I just encountered the word "torus"
 
@zed111 Everything.
 
@idonutunderstand Well ?
 
Read what you're in the mood for, what excites you.
 
I just want to get to know enough about torus
Which area of math is this related to?
 
I would say topology and geometry
 
6:53 AM
@Twink Where did you take your user image from?
 
7:15 AM
Terminology question: We write $\text{spec}(A)$ for the set of all prime ideals in a ring $A$, and we write $\text{spm}(A)$ for the set of all maximal ideals of $A$. What does $\text{spm}$ stand for? I imagine $\text{spec}$ is for 'spectrum'?
 
Huy
maximal spectrum
 
imma ask a dumb question
say we have two sets, A and B
A has like 5 elements and B 7
suppose f is an injective function A to B
 
@MichaelMitchell Huh?
You mean surjective?
 
does this imply the image of f(A) is 5?
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot I would guess spec max (though I usually see it denoted maxspec or something like that)
 
7:26 AM
@MichaelMitchell Oh oops I read A had 7, B had 5
 
@MichaelMitchell Yes, the image has 5 elements
 
@MichaelMitchell The cardinality of $f(A)$ is $5$, yes
 
Huy
but it isn't $\{5\}$
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Also, sometimes Sp is used instead of spec (or Spec), though that is usually when considering the functorial approach
 
7:27 AM
thanks
 
@TobiasKildetoft Functorial is to do with category theory?
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Yeah, there is a way to define schemes as certain functors
 
@TobiasKildetoft Would it be worth trying to learn that simultaneously to get a good analogy set up? I have Lawvere - Introduction to Cat
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot A --> Spec(A) is a functor from the category commutative rings to affine schemes.
 
@BalarkaSen That was not the functor I had in mind
 
7:29 AM
@BalarkaSen This would be algebraic geometry?
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot depends on what your goal is
 
I am doing a gap year, so I am goal-less, just exploring subjects freely
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot This is just a fact which is relatively easy to prove. Affine schemes are algebraic geometry, yes.
 
@BalarkaSen I meant the functor that sends a $k$-algebra $A$ to $Hom(B,A)$ for some fuxed $k$-algebra $B$.
 
@TobiasKildetoft Oh, you're thinking of functor of points?
 
7:30 AM
@BalarkaSen Right
Well, almost
 
Aha. I don't understand that interpretation well enough.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot I think algebraic geometry needs to be learned with the classic approach first, to have some idea of why things are done.
@BalarkaSen The difference is that the functor of points starts with a scheme. This functor is part of the definition of a scheme (in the functorial point of view)
 
@TobiasKildetoft Classic approach is commutative algebra -> algebraic sets?
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Even more classical I would say: algebraic curves and surfaces and such
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Yes, varieties come before schemes.
 
7:33 AM
Just to have some idea of why these things have anything to do with geometry
 
@TobiasKildetoft I just heard about the blowup construction a few days ago.
 
@BalarkaSen Ahh, yeah, that is really neat. Did you see the nice "usual" picture of it?
 
Do you think you can retell me about it? The person who told me was not really being rigorous enough for my comfort.
 
@BalarkaSen I don't think I can write down the rigorous definition even
 
I understand it as taking a point in a variety and replacing it by the unit tangent vectors at that point.
 
7:35 AM
I only know the general idea that you replace a singularity with a projective line.
so you stretch out the variety such that the singularity stops being singular.
 
How do you replace a singularity with a projective line?
I mean, you have to do it in a way so that it spits out a variety again. I am not sure if it's clear to me how to do it.
 
I suppose that was not a very good way to put it
 
In the complex projective case, are we just taking a variety V, taking a small ball around a singular point v in V, removing it and taking closure?
Because otherwise I cannot make sense of "replace point by unit tangent vectors at that point".
 
@BalarkaSen Near the singularity, we replace each point with a pair $(x,s)$ where $x$ is the point itself and $s$ is the slope at the point seen as an element in the projective line
(this is of course not quite right, but it is the idea)
so for one things this only makes any sense for 1-dimenional varieties of course, but these are easier to picture it for
 
Ah. That matches with the removing ball and taking closure idea, not?
 
7:41 AM
possibly
have you seen pictures of this?
 
no, not really.
 
There are some nice ones that I think illustrate it nicely
 
can you refer me to something?
 
Hmm, I remember making a nice picture of this at some point, starting with the usual cusp and making some program draw the result in 3d. But I have no idea where that might be now
 
@TobiasKildetoft! Can I ask you an algebra question?
 
7:46 AM
@Anthony sure
 
Nice, thanks, @TobiasKildetoft
 
So a field of characteristic $p$ has a copy of $\mathbb{Z}/ p\mathbb{Z}$ sitting inside of it
 
So if I have $m \in \mathbb{Z}/ p\mathbb{Z}$ such that $mr \in K$ where $K$ is our field of characteristic $p$, can I conclude $r \in K$?
I've removed the context entirely
 
@Anthony depends on what the multiplication means
If this is inside some larger field then yes
 
7:50 AM
I think $r$ is coming from a splitting field, in any case the argument I've found is that because $m \in \mathbb{Z}/ p\mathbb{Z}^\times \subset K^\times$ we have that $m\in K^X$ but this seems weird to me
 
The thing prof told me was that you can also do blow-up on complex submanifolds, but now you might not disingularize the variety as for 0-dimensional submanifolds. The question is whether doing finitely many blow-up on a certain submanifold here it's singular removes all singularities.
I am trying to understand this problem.
 
@Anthony Is $m$ in fact just an integer coprime to $p$?
 
yeah
 
@Anthony Then yes, the multiplication by $m$ corresponds (by definition) to multiplication by an element in the prime subfield.
 
I guess I just don't know a definition or something then.
When I see $mr$, I think $r+....+r$ $m$ times.
 
7:53 AM
@Anthony The idea is that any ring is a $\mathbb{Z}$-module in a unique way
right, which by definition is the same as $kr$ for a suitable $k$ in the prime subfield (since this is the smallest subring that contains $1$)
 
I'm thinking about what you're saying, I just am drawing a blank.
I mean I guess why is that by definition the same as some $kr$?
I guess you just said that
 
@Anthony $mr = r + r + \dots + r = (1 + 1 + \dots + 1)r$
 
Huy
ö.ö
 
okay sure
Thanks @TobiasKildetoft.
I wonder, were you the one that helped me with algebra two years ago?
I think you were.
 
@Anthony It is not impossible certainly
 
7:57 AM
wait a minute, that sounds more like taking connected sum with $\Bbb P^{n-1}$
 
Huy
is Chris'ssis gone again?
 
she'll be back
 
@Huy Changed name and claims to be gone for some time
 
Huy
I just tried donating to wiki
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money."
=_=
 
@MikeMiller Good night. :)
 
8:00 AM
Anyway thanks @TobiasKildetoft
 
@Anthony You're welcome
 
 
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9:12 AM
Someone help me with this please: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1554520/…?
 
9:46 AM
@TobiasKildetoft Vakil's lecture notes start with schemes. Anyway, commutative algebra should be thoroughly learned before any algebraic geometry.
And some homological algebra.
 
@FrankScience I disagree. Starting with the basics of algebraic curves can be a good way to get an idea of why any of those other things are interesting.
 
The study of algebraic curves still needs commutative algebra.
 
@FrankScience depends on how deep you want to study them
 
At the very basic level, say first 5 chapters of Atiyah & Macdonald.
 
I have heard many people recommending to study about the complex analytic part of the story before algebraic geometry. Some Riemann surface theory, say.
(slightly off-topic though)
 
9:53 AM
hello, can someone tel me why $f$ is not open but closed: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1551079/…
thank you
 
Complex analytic one still needs commutative algebra.
 
Interesting, I didn't know that. How so?
 
Maybe you can do algebraic curves without that, but when you try to prove things like Noether normalization...
And Mumford's Algebraic Geometry I needs more commutative algebra than what I learned, therefore I'm struggling.
Things like completions, etc.
 
I have heard that Shaferevich part I requires less comm. alg.
Schemes are too scary.
 
Mumford's Algebraic Geometry is about complex projective varieties, not schemes.
 
10:04 AM
Ah.
 
I didn't mean the red book.
 
Yes, I confused it with that.
 
Though we can avoid commutative algebra, I don't think resolution of singularities is easier in Riemann surface than in algebraic context.
That theory relies heavily on fundamental groups and monodromy actions.
 
I see.
 
can someone help me ?
 
10:08 AM
So I believe you're a student in algebraic geometry? How come you're studying topology too, then? I know they don't contradict each other, but I'd say that's unusual (maybe not true, though, I don't know many grad students in algebraic geometry).
 
Hellow @BalarkaSen
 
Hi @AliCaglayan
 
@Vrouvrou Don't ask to ask. Just ask.
 
@BalarkaSen What have you been upto?
 
@BalarkaSen No, the direction isn't determined.
 
10:09 AM
I have just learned the definition of Krull dimension for noetherian rings. I am still confused on some concepts, for example, can we pick $\langle 3,5,7,11,13,17,\cdots\rangle$ as an infinitely generated ideal of $\Bbb Z$(I.e. making $\Bbb Z$ non noetherian).
 
@AliCaglayan Getting slowed down by schoolwork. Haven't done much math since the topology & condensed matter physics conference.
@FrankScience Ah, I see.
 
@BalarkaSen I just submitted my physics coursework
I am free once more
 
Glad to hear.
 
Going to study tensor analysis
 
And in my country, top students finished reading Hartshorne.
 
10:11 AM
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot That is finitely generated
 
@TobiasKildetoft Picking all primes?
 
Whoa, Hartshorne is tough shit.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Just because you have picked infinitely many elements generating it does not mean that there is not a finite set generating it
In fact, any two elements from that list will generate the ideal.
 
@AliCaglayan I have no idea what tensor analysis might be :)
 
@TobiasKildetoft What is the rigorous definition of finitely generated?
 
10:11 AM
@BalarkaSen In these top universities in Beijing.
 
@TobiasKildetoft Oh, you are saying that it is equal to a much smaller ideal?
 
@FrankScience i aked a question how to show that $f$ is closed and not open: $$\begin{array}{ccc}
f:[0,2] & \longrightarrow &[0,2] \\
x& \longmapsto & f(x) \\
\end{array},\; f(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{cc}
0& x\in [0,1], \\
x-1 & x\in [1,2].
\end{array}
\right.$$
 
I figured. You mean undergrads?
 
@BalarkaSen Yes.
 
Cool.
 
10:13 AM
@Vrouvrou Not open: consider, say, the image of $(1/2,3/2)$. For closed: note that the image of compact set is compact.
 
3, 5.
 
@BalarkaSen Therefore I'm lagging from the top students.
 
Since it's an abelian group.
How does one go about proving a ring is noetherian?
 
PIDs are Noetherian, of course
 
10:15 AM
I think you know a lot as a first year grad students, compared to US standards.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot As mentioned, the integers is a PID and hence noetherian (in fact, the ideal you picked is the entire ring)
 
@BalarkaSen Maybe no. I heard that students in MIT, UCB, etc, are very great.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot In general, it can be quite hard to show that some given ring is noetherian
 
@TobiasKildetoft because $7-3-3=1$
 
@ImagineDragons right
 
10:17 AM
@FrankScience Are yes, that is obvious as soon as you say it. Thanks.
 
@FrankScience how to compute $f(]\frac12,\frac32[)$ $\frac12\in[0,1]$ and $\frac32\in [1,2]$
 
Notations like $]a,b[$ isn't natural to me, though.
 
@FrankScience Possibly, I wouldn't know.
 
@Vrouvrou You can draw a graph to guess, then prove it rigorously.
 
Is the Krull dimension of $\Bbb Z$ $1$?
 
10:20 AM
Yes.
Any PID (which is not a field) has Krull dimension 1.
 
The point is that in United States, maybe the strength of students are much more diverse than in China, say. The top students are very very excellent, while others are good at anything else, not necessarily at math even for math majors.
 
@FrankScience it is equal to [0,\frac12] ?
 
I see.
 
@Vrouvrou Why $1/2$ is included?
 
because $f(\frac32)=\frac12 $
 
10:25 AM
But $3/2\not\in]1/2,3/2[$.
Here it seems to me that the notation $]a,b[$ is very urgly.
$x\in\,\left]a,b\right[$
 
yes
 
Maybe a space is needed.
 
any space?
 
$x\in\left]a,b\right[$
It seems prettier than $x\in]a,b[$.
 
yes but why i must not include f(b) ?
 
10:31 AM
Confused. It is written that given a 2-disk inside an manifold of dimension $\geq$ 5, one can find another disk with the same boundary which is embedded by Whitney's theorem. I can believe this. But it says for dimension $4$ this does not work, which I can't digest. I mean, it works for dimension $3$ (given that the boundary has a collar neighborhood), right? That's precisely what the Dehn's lemma says.
 
@Vrouvrou I suggested you compute $A=f(\left]1/2,3/2\right[)$, so if $f(3/2)\in A$, you need to prove it.
 
I am probably misunderstanding something there.
 
@Vrouvrou Namely find some $x\in\left]1/2,3/2\right[$ such that $f(x)=f(3/2)$.
@Vrouvrou What course are you taking including this exercise?
 
@FrankScience there is no $x\in \left]\frac12,\frac32\right[$ so $f(\left]\frac12,\frac32\right[)=\left[0,\frac12\right[$ thank you
 
10:42 AM
@Vrouvrou After reading some posts of you in stackexchange, it's very surprising that you asked about this. You indeed know Sobolev spaces, etc, but get stuck in this one...
 
Nov 25 at 12:36, by Tobias Kildetoft
you need to look up the definition of dimension
 
These (Sobolev, etc) are much harder than this.
I'm pretty surprised.
 
10:54 AM
@TedShifrin / @MikeMiller I was thinking about how nonstandard analysis allows us to combine finite and infinitesimal values together, and how elements of Lie algebras were considered "infinitesimal elements" of a Lie group back in the day. Say $G$ is a Lie group with Lie algebra $\frak g$ and adjoint action $\rho:G\to{\rm GL}({\frak g})$. Form the free product ${\cal U}(G):=G*({\frak g},+)$ modulo the relation $g\cdot V\cdot g^{-1}=\rho(g)V$.
This doesn't use the information of the Lie bracket unfortunately, but it allows us to differentiate e.g. $a(t)\cdot V\cdot a(t)^{-1}$ wrt $t$ at $t=0$ and get $[A,V]$ (the usual Lie bracket in $\frak g$, not just the commutator bracket in the tensor algebra). If we differentiate e.g. $a(t)Vb(t)Wc(t)$ at $t=0$ we get $AVW+VBW+VWC$. It seems like the "Lie algebra" of ${\cal U}(G)$ is the the universal enveloping algebra ${\cal U}({\frak g})$. Is this a thing?
 
user174558
@anon You misspelled infinitesimal.
 
heh
 
user174558
You are welcome @anon.
 

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