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12:00 AM
Err... I must have done something wrong.
 
Silly @Pedro
 
@TedShifrin How does string + pencil = compass work here?
Damn geometers!
 
@TedShifrin yes... when I was walking my dog this morning, there were two bunnies in the park. My son and I caught them (or coyotes would by tonight) and we spent the day getting a cage and food and stuff for them
 
Ah, cute, @robjohn. I live in semi-forest.
 
@TedShifrin we live in coyote territory and two domestic bunnies would not live long out there.
 
12:03 AM
Use a pin or thumbtack to secure one end, and tie the pencil to the other end, @Pedro. Or just draw circles freehand.
 
semi-desert chaparral.
 
Coyotes have killed most of my cats, I believe, @robjohn.
 
@TedShifrin Our cats are indoor cats.
We now have three cats, two bunnies, and a dog
 
Perhaps mine should have been, but they loved it outside.
 
@TedShifrin we raised them inside, so they are used to it. Better that than coyote chow
 
12:15 AM
@robjohn It is not working.
When I invert 1/2 I am getting 5/2, not 2.
What is going on?
Oh.
Misread something.
No... I didn't. @robjohn
 
@PedroTamaroff Sorry... it is the distance from $x$ to the other end of the circle that is $\frac1x$
 
Oh.
Can it be fixed?
I do it trough $0$?
So invert from $-r$.
 
@PedroTamaroff fixed?
 
@robjohn Well, I want to obtain the point $(0,r^{-1})$.
This is giving me $(0,r+r^{-1})$.
 
@PedroTamaroff Sure, put the circle with its center on the real axis through the points $(-x,0)$ and $(0,1)$.
 
12:29 AM
Right.
You said this can be done with similar triangles instead of circles?
I cannot see how this works.
 
 
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1:40 AM
Hi guys, I'm new to stack exchange! Looking forward to us getting off this tiny planet.
 
 
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4:22 AM
 
4:37 AM
@PedroTamaroff By similar triangles, $\frac ab=\frac bc\implies ac=b^2$
@PedroTamaroff So, if $b=1$...
 
 
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6:51 AM
Greetings
 
7:12 AM
i am groot
i mean i have been greeted chris' sis
i have been wondering about this for a while math.stackexchange.com/questions/943964/… any thints?
hints
 
7:38 AM
Oh, I just asked a question I might answer it alone ... (hmmm, let me see)
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis Hola !! :D
 
@r9m Hey!!! :D How are you doing? :-)
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis stayin alive =) (exam week ended :| .. )
 
@r9m You mean you give some tests to your students or? ;)
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis uni mid sem tests -_-
 
7:41 AM
@r9m :D
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis first time in my life I took a tablet just for staying awake longer than usual =P these pills are a total disaster =P
 
@r9m Some drugs you mean? :-)
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis ya :o the effect was surprising indeed (stuff actually works)
 
@r9m There are some known pills taken by some students in US, Ritalin or something like that.
@r9m I've never taken them. My blood pressure is not stable, I cannot assume this risk.
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis those are amphetamine pills (so called 'smart pills') .. I used one that was just supposed to keep me awake for longer hours !
 
7:46 AM
@r9m meclofenoxate? Some years ago you could buy them from my country, but now they are forbidden.
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis modafinil
 
@r9m I heard of it. Is it helpful for you?
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis I read on the internet that it's the real life thing closest to the NZT48 (as in the limitless movie :P) .. but it doesn't feel like that .. I just don't feel like sleeping and eating while the effect lasts (that's it)
 
Why risk your long term health?
 
r9m
I tried only 2 pills as an experiment (with 12 hrs gap in the last 48 hrs) .. I'm not gonna continue this thing ..
 
7:53 AM
Math teaches how to develop thinking skills that last a life time, right?
 
r9m
:-) .. that be the proper course sailor ! (I just wanted a pirates day for me :P)
 
@r9m lol, once you take them once you begin to wonder which is in fact the reality :-)
Jesus, I wouldn't like to post a question I can answer ... A new idea came to mind ...
 
It can be like a forbidden fruit, if you let it.
 
@r9m Personally, I do not recommend those pills. One can die while using them.
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis modafinil has unknown long term effect (being a relatively recent drug in the market .. so I can't take the risk of keeping on using them ! .. )
 
8:02 AM
@r9m Indeed.
I'm curious to see who finds a brilliant way here :-) Using generating functions is pretty hard.
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Q: Find the closed form of $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{H_{ n}}{2^nn^4}$

Chris's sisOne of the possible ways of computing the series is to obtain the generating function, but this might be a tedious, hard work, pretty hard to achieve. What would you propose then? $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{H_{ n}}{2^nn^4}$$

 
r9m
@Chris'ssis omg ! with generating functions I can't even dream of trying it .. $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{H_{n}}{2^nn^3}$ almost killed me (while I was reading the answers in main) ..
 
@r9m Do you refer to the generating function here?
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A: A sum containing harmonic numbers $\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{H_n}{n^3\,2^n}$

Tunk-FeyIn the same spirit as Robert Israel's answer and continuing Raymond Manzoni's answer (both of them deserve the credit because of inspiring my answer) we have $$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{H_nx^n}{n^2}=\zeta(3)+\frac{1}{2}\ln x\ln^2(1-x)+\ln(1-x)\operatorname{Li}_2(1-x)+\operatorname{Li}_3(x)-\operat...

@r9m That one is wrong. Yesterday I computed the correct variant.
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis :O !!! I see !! :O
 
:17825363
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis OMG !!!!!!!
 
8:10 AM
@r9m lol, well, it's not a big deal ...
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis if that is not a big deal .. what is ?!! :O
 
@r9m Did you look at Tunk-Fey's answer? Especially at $(2)$?
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis okay ?! :0
 
@r9m Well, the problems come from that point ...
 
r9m
scratches 'ead .. lemme think
 
8:18 AM
The question is: how do you fix what is added or lost by that operation? (referring to the variable change)
 
r9m
yes !! same question here
 
@r9m Initially he got a wrong answer, but then he corrected it, but never explained how.
@r9m you can check $(3)$ for $x=1/3$ and see it fails.
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis there are some stuff that I got stuck on once I took a look at his answer and tried to see if I could do it on my own =_= some non trivial stuff must have been used without a proof/mentioning
@Chris'ssis ic !!
but lord .. that guy has some patience !!!!
 
@r9m Do you study at cmi?
 
r9m
@Moron maybe ?! who knows ? =P
 
8:26 AM
I was guessing, Chennai, this is Mathematics forum, I assumed institute, so cmi.
 
r9m
@Moron ^^ okay :) .. are you from India ?
 
Do you know Heisenberg's uncertainty principle?
 
@r9m that guy is a specialist in polylogarithms (even if he failed there).
 
r9m
@Moron i see (?! how) .. you have got quite a momentum there son !
 
What did you think about me?
 
8:31 AM
@r9m let me see again if I can finish it ...
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis okay !!! :D
 
What are you trying to prove? cleo=Tun-Fey?
 
r9m
@Moron hey ! nice blog there !! :-)
 
9:01 AM
Hello
If it is not impolite to ask, could you have a look at this question?
[Two ways to evaluate ∫(Δu)vdΩ, two different results](http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/933579/two-ways-to-evaluate-int-delta-u-v-d-omega-two-different-results)
 
9:54 AM
@r9m!
 
How is everyone?
 
I do not think how is everyone.
 
@N3!
 
@N3buchadnezzar No meat, no pudding, lol.
 
@robjohn for instance, this answer is also based on that wrong generating function
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A: How to find ${\large\int}_0^1\frac{\ln^3(1+x)\ln x}x\mathrm dx$

Tunk-FeyStart with integration by parts (IBP) by setting $u=\ln^3(1+x)$ and $dv=\dfrac{\ln x}{x}\ dx$ yields \begin{align} \int_0^1\frac{\ln^3(1+x)\ln x}x\ dx&=-\frac32\int_0^1\frac{\ln^2(1+x)\ln^2 x}{1+x}\ dx\\ &=-\frac32\int_1^2\frac{\ln^2x\ln^2 (x-1)}{x}\ dx\quad\Rightarrow\quad\color{red}{x\mapsto1+x...

But I have nothing against, some say it's an epic answer. :-)
 
10:09 AM
@WillHunting :p
 
@N3buchadnezzar Have you found a gf?
 
@WillHunting nivida gforce?
 
@N3buchadnezzar It's nvidia, lol.
 
gravity field, gravy & food, gingers & frogs?
 
Or pgf tikz lol.
 
10:13 AM
@WillHunting :p
 
@N3buchadnezzar I still have not decided which to learn, pgf or pstricks. But I just got a copy of Kopka and Daly's Guide to LaTeX.
 
I know tikz
 
Hey @Khallil how are you?
 
Did anyone extend on the indirect proof that Tunk-Fey is Cleo?
 
I have decided to stop flagging X, Y and Z. Better things to do with my time, such as chatting, lol.
 
10:28 AM
Tunk and Cleo deleted that answer???
 
10:43 AM
@Chris'ssis Well the answer can be rigorized by replacing all indefinite integrals by $\displaystyle \int_0^x$ of course.
 
@BalarkaSen There is nothing you can rigorize there.
 
11:06 AM
Why do you think so @Chris'ssis?
@r9m How're the examinations going?
 
r9m
@BalarkaSen hello
@BalarkaSen lets say its all about 'stayin alive' =P
 
lots of group-ring-fields, I bet?
 
r9m
boy o boy .. phew ! :o
 
let me know about the cool ones, @r9m.
 
@BalarkaSen That proof is based upon a wrong result.
 
11:10 AM
Oh, @Chris'ssis?
@r9m well, look at the bright side. you're at least learning something other than just integral manipulations.
 
@BalarkaSen Do you see $(1)$ there?
 
r9m
@BalarkaSen all pretty routine stuff .. ..
 
@Chris'ssis yes. is it false?
 
@BalarkaSen The real generating function looks like that
 
ah. i presume the final result stands only because some constants gets cancelled out during differentiation?
 
11:14 AM
@BalarkaSen $x=1/2$ produces some magic cancellations. :-) When you use $x=1/3$ you realize immediately the generating function is not correct, you get a different numerical result.
 
mmhmm. good catch.
you should write a comment about that in there.
generating functions always gets messy enough.
 
11:29 AM
@rehband!
 
@BalarkaSen Barlaka!! I hope ur doing well
 
Fine, what about you?
 
Same here! Last exam is tomorrow, so I'm slightly excited
 
Ah, good luck with that!
 
Merci
I really wonder how old you are Barlaka
 
11:38 AM
Same as my profile says.
 
Not sure if serious
I wish I had started delving that deep into math at age 14
I was playing video games then :(
 
I wish too
I mean, yeah, yeah.
=P
 
Lol
 
11:54 AM
lol, look at the way @The Game wrote things worshsip the guru @Chris'ssis
 
what way @Chris'ssis?
 
@BalarkaSen Isn't it worship?
 
aha
 
ahahhaha
Hmm. Is worship some kind of ship?
 
11:57 AM
@BalarkaSen No need for worshiping here. One of the worst things that can happen to someone is to be surrounded by people that apparently admire you, but they don't give a s**t on you. Maybe they are only interested in taking some advantage on your back.:-)
 
Looks plausible, doesn't it.
@Chris'ssis I am not worshiping you, no need to lecture.
 
@BalarkaSen I said that in general, not referring to this case.
 
Well, you pinged me...
=P
 
@BalarkaSen Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
:D
 
@Chris'ssis You're right about that!
 
11:59 AM
People usually backstab. I frontstab.
 
People wanna catch some sun rays form the king
 
stab stab stab
 
@rehband Yeap, it is ... (especially in my country)
 
Romanians are backstabbing. That's an interesting information.
 
@Chris'ssis I think it's that way everywhere :)
I used to date a Romanian girl
 
12:01 PM
WAT
Not... possibly not...
 
While she had a boyfriend
 
Nah.
shakes head
 
So Romanians are confirmed backstabbers
 
Haha, interesting conclusions.
 
:P
 
12:02 PM
@rehband Well, my advice is never date.
 
@BalarkaSen Yep, I've learned that lesson as well
 
About time.
 
Indeed. Now I can focus all my energy on math
 
Nothing.
 
WHAT
You lied...ON THE INTERNET?
 
12:04 PM
Best place to lie actually.
 
Question: why @The Game is logged out? Might I think he also has a different account? :-)
 
Because he lost?
 
Logged out? Of what?
 
@rehband His account
 
12:09 PM
Oh ok
 
OK, I need to run. Haveta study more commutative algebra.
 
@robjohn you're far too silent today :-)
Hmmm, I also need to do some lessons for someone ...
 
12:24 PM
By the way, I think I know how to get the generating function of $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{H_{
n}}{n^4} x^n$$ but it's a terrible work to do there.
(if I'm not wrong I'm supposed to use some identities related to $\operatorname{Li}_4(x)$)
As regards $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{H_{ n}}{n^3} x^n$$ I wouldn't recommend the use of the generating function for $x=1/2$
 
@Chris'ssis I used to like two girls who were good at running and were very beautiful. Since you like running, I think you must be very beautiful too? =)
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@WillHunting lol :-))) I wouldn't survive without going jogging every evening. I need to free my mind from all thoughts.
 
@Chris'ssis You're correct. He's made a fatal mistake. I've edited his answer but only in the parts that I can locate his mistake. I hope my edited version is correct
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova What exactly did you correct?
 
Hi @JasperLoy
 
12:33 PM
Hi @BartParker
 
@Chris'ssis From the beginning. He's made mistakes in the part squaring log
@Chris'ssis That's really lots of editing
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Do you see $(1)$? That generating function is not correct. That also means his previous answer is wrong too.
 
@Chris'ssis Really? Wait, I try to check it. I hope I can understand
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Please
 
@Chris'ssis Do you know in which part he has made mistake?
 
12:39 PM
@Anastasiya-Romanova Yeah.
 
@Chris'ssis Where?
 
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A: A sum containing harmonic numbers $\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{H_n}{n^3\,2^n}$

Tunk-FeyIn the same spirit as Robert Israel's answer and continuing Raymond Manzoni's answer (both of them deserve the credit because of inspiring my answer) we have $$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{H_nx^n}{n^2}=\zeta(3)+\frac{1}{2}\ln x\ln^2(1-x)+\ln(1-x)\operatorname{Li}_2(1-x)+\operatorname{Li}_3(x)-\operat...

@Anastasiya-Romanova look at the variable change in $(2)$
Once you do that, how can you recover what is added or lost by that operation? That constant he tried to get later isn't stable, it changes while you plug different value in the generating function.
 
@Chris'ssis Why didn't you edit if you can spot it?
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova The approach is incorrect from that point. I don't see how I could get on the right track from that point.
 
@Chris'ssis Yeah, you're correct. He is lucky get a correct answer since it is evaluated at $\frac{1}{2}$, so changing variable by $x\mapsto1-x$ doesn't effect at all
 
12:46 PM
@Anastasiya-Romanova Yes, some magic cancelations happen at that magic point! That's why it works. :-)
@Anastasiya-Romanova If you plug in $x=1/3$, the generating function fails to give you the correct value.
 
@Chris'ssis In other word, that generating function only works for 1 & 1/2
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Actually, I'd go further and say it works because he fits the proper constant there by I don't know what means. :-)
@Anastasiya-Romanova His initial answer was $$\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{H_n}{2^nn^3}=\color{purple}{\frac{7\pi^4}{720}+\frac{\ln^42}{24}-\frac{\ln‌​2}8\zeta(3)+\operatorname{Li}_4\left(\frac12\right)}$$
and then he magically gets rid of that $7$ in front of the first fraction.
I love Random Variable's comment there
"Even though you seem to have made a minor error somewhere (which I'm unable to locate), your answer is impressive and deserves an upvote. +1 – Random Variable"
@Anastasiya-Romanova I really appreciate Tunk Fey, really! Unfortunately he did a ugly mistake there that continued further.
 
@Chris'ssis I'll check his answer later & I'll email him about his mistake because he didn't show up since Sept, 18
I see -2 in his profile. Did you downvote that answer? lol
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova No, never. He has a great gift for integrals and series I appreciate, no need for downvote.
 
I though you. I wish I could downvote his or someone answer here, but I wouldn't do that
 
12:57 PM
@Anastasiya-Romanova I've also learned nice things from his approaches. I also do mistakes, it happens.
 
@Chris'ssis BTW, I know the one who serial downvotes me
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Really? Who?
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Who?
 
Yeah!? This is only my assumption
I know from the beginning & he had given a punishment by the moderators
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Don't spend your time with the downvoters.
 
12:59 PM
See the edited version
The original title is The Monster Integral but someone didn't like that title. He tried to change it but I was stubborn & tried to keep it
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Yeah, I got your point.
 
@Chris'ssis OK, I won't
I won't care about the downvotes anymore. You & lots of users here told me so. You too @WillHunting :)
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Are you using any special books to improve your English? I am just wondering what books you use.
 
@WillHunting No! Is my English getting worse?
 
Ah, look at the way I wrote worshipping :-)
 
1:05 PM
@Anastasiya-Romanova No, it is not getting worse. I am just interested in what materials people use to study English these days.
 
I've made mistake in this sentence: I know from the beginning & he had been given a punishment by the moderators
@WillHunting I only learn from internet. Sometimes, I read my brother's TOEFL books like Longman
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova I see. I may need to take TOEFL too to apply to grad school.
 
@Chris'ssis Do you know all about the user who I suspect downvote my answer? He seems good at integral too
@WillHunting Are you planning to do grad school?
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Planning to, but I must get well first.
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova No, I don't.
 
1:16 PM
@WillHunting Where? NTU or NUS? Is a psychology health a mandatory requirement to enter college?
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Not in my country. Hopefully in the US. It's better to get well first so that I can perform well.
 
Why do you pick US?
Are you planning to escape from your country & try to get a green card there?
lol
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova Yes, I am trying to live there eventually.
 
@WillHunting Oh OK, good luck then! Wishing the best of everything for you (ˆ▽ˆ)
I have to go offline now, mom's calling. Bye guys, XOXO
 
🐻
 
Huy
2:14 PM
@WillHunting: Why on earth would you want to live in the US eventually?
 
2:40 PM
So, say I have $(1/\epsilon)*log(\epsilon^3n)$, where $\epsilon=n^{-1/x}$, $x>3$. The larger epsilon gets, the smaller the expression is, isn't it so?
$n\to \infty$
 
@Huy Because I really hate living where I am living now.
 
Huy
@WillHunting: And the only other place to live is the US?
 
Europe is much better than here
 
@Huy Well, I think it would be good enough for me, even though I have never been there.
 
Huy
Great logic.
 
2:47 PM
It's crap
 
@nablablah Maybe you would like to come live in my country.
 
I would like to live in Europe
 
@Huy Hehe.
Guys, I think I dropped from 72 kg to 70 kg, yay! I wanna drop to 60 kg.
 
Huy
@nablablah: I live in the Europe. You can come to my place. ^w^
 
I think I will do some running in the last quarter of this year.
 
2:50 PM
Switzerland is really nice
I would love to trade my U.S. citizenship for a Swiss one
 
Huy
I wouldn't trade my Swiss one for a U.S. one. :P
 
You must be really short @JasperLoy
 
@nablablah I am 1.65 metres.
@Huy I would trade mine anytime for a US one.
 
Huy
@WillHunting: Don't you think that's a bit naive?
 
@Huy You must know a little more about me to say that. You have no idea what terrible things I went through here.
 
2:53 PM
@robjohn I think I'm going to offer a 500 points bounty for this question. I'm curious to see if someone can get the precise value of the limit, but, of course, I'm very very curious to see what that limit is.
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Q: Computing $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty} \Big(\sum\limits_{i = 1}^n \sum\limits_{j = 1}^n \frac1{i^2+j^2}-\frac{\pi}{2} \log(n)\Big)$.

Chris's sisIn the chatroom we discussed about the asymptotic of $\displaystyle \sum_{i = 1}^n \sum_{j = 1}^n \frac1{i^2+j^2}$, and if we think of the inverse tangent integral, it's easy to see that $\displaystyle \sum_{i = 1}^n \sum_{j = 1}^n \frac1{i^2+j^2}\approx \operatorname{Ti}_2(n)\approx \frac{\pi}{2...

 
Huy
@WillHunting: I didn't say YOU were naive. I personally find it naive, if someone idolises something as much as you do whilst never having experienced it before. Not the person - the action.
 
Does anybody know of an online reduction formula calculator? I'm trying to verify the result I obtained below. $$ \int \dfrac{x^{n}}{\sqrt{x^3 + 1}} \text{ d}x = \dfrac{2}{2n-1} \ x^{n-2} \sqrt{x^3 + 1} - \dfrac{2(n-2)}{2n-1} \int \dfrac{x^{n-3}}{\sqrt{x^3 + 1}} \text{ d}x $$
 
@Huy No problem. It's alright to say I am naive. What I mean is this: if option A is so bad, option B is very inviting even if you never had B before...
 
Huy
@WillHunting: Personally, I'd rather experience both and then make a choice instead of fully committing to something I've never done before - the latter being what seemed to me you were doing.
 
I just judge by other people's experiences
 
2:58 PM
@Huy Well, another reason is that there are some things I am certain option B has but A does not, and those things are very important to me, though they may not be to others.
 
@Chris'ssis Good catch. I didn't notice that. I assumed that the error was indeed just the integration constant and I didn't bother to check a second time.
 
Europe in general seems better for me than my crap life here
 
Huy
@WillHunting: Could you give an example?
 
@nablablah I am sorry about your current situation.
@Huy Hmm, a bit too personal for me to mention, lol.
 
My primary complaint is the poor academics here which is the only reason I'd prefer Europe
 
Huy
2:59 PM
@nablablah: Are you referring to university or high school level?
 
University
 

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