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12:01 AM
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@blue You recommended me Susan Colley's Vector Calculus. Do you have any recommendations of someone who treats both single and multi variable calculus (in 1 or more books)?
 
@JasperLoy I see that Chris's sis and I both left at about the same time this morning.
@JasperLoy That could explain the deadness ;-)
 
@robjohn Morning for you or me?
 
I added the smiley, just for you
@JasperLoy For me, that would be
 
Ah, I noticed that you seldom talk these days. Maybe it is just me talking too much.
 
@JasperLoy It might also be the intrusion of work.
 
12:09 AM
@robjohn I have a problem with the current analysis books. Books like Rudin treat theory but almost no applications or computations. Are there any good calculus books out there with both theory and applications, other than Spivak and Apostol?
 
@JasperLoy It has been so long since I have really looked at an analysis book, that I don't really know.
 
@robjohn Ah, everything is in your brain, so you don't need books!
 
@ThomasAndrews $\wedge$ is bilinear and anti-symmetric, correct?
 
so $-(dx^1 \wedge dx^2) \wedge (-dx^2 \wedge dx^1)$ is pretty clearly $0$.
 
12:12 AM
Yeah, that was my point. I just got lost because I misread the matrix before he formatted it.
 
$-(dx^1 \wedge dx^2) \wedge (dx^1 \wedge dx^2)$
@ThomasAndrews I was just wondering if I was missing something when he wrote $-(dx^1 \wedge dx^2) \wedge (-dx^2 \wedge dx^1)$
 
Nope.
I've never heard of a matrix with diff form entries, but the determinant can only hav one meaning.
 
@ThomasAndrews I guess, if you consider using the wedge product in place of the regular products in the determinant.
 
@LeandroChiarini Nice glasses.
 
1:04 AM
@robjohn I was going to post an answer, but then I realized I couldn't' justify that $ \int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{\sin (2x) \cos(ux)}{xu} \ du \ dx = \int_{1}^{\infty} \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{\sin (2x) \cos(ux)}{xu} \ dx \ du $. Any suggestions?
 
1:17 AM
This chat is dead.
 
1:43 AM
@JasperLoy It is?
 
2:17 AM
@Khallil It seems you're an initial object in the category of bothersome!
 
@PedroTamaroff Is that a joke about rings? Also, I'm still pretty amused by their kiddish reactions.
 
@Khallil Dunno. I usually try not to give a fuck. Don't know what the context is here.
 
@PedroTamaroff What a philosophy! I'll try to live by it on here. ^_^ (Any possible context was taken out of context by them.)
 
@Khallil You're not really helping by calling them kids again and again.
I guess we'll have to put you on ignore.
And enforce the policy above.
 
@PedroTamaroff Fair enough.
 
2:31 AM
No, really. Don't be an asshole to locals.
 
@PedroTamaroff What's a local?
 
let's not frame this xenophobically. just let him be policed by the people he annoys at the time of annoyance.
 
@blue WAT.
 
 
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5:08 AM
hi! i like mathematics and girls :D
 
can anyone give me a heads up on fitting a curve in 3d - so as to get a relation in x,y,z (in other words z = f(x,y) )
 
6:07 AM
@ThomasAndrews you're a year late to try brilliant.org. Back then, they weren't money-driven, this wasn't some social network, and there were really interesting weekly challenges.But it's all gone now...
 
6:49 AM
@blue This sentence is too deep.
@MatiasMorant Me too.
 
 
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10:47 AM
@deostroll I only know how to fit a curve in 2D like this: scicomp.stackexchange.com/questions/3031/…
 
@robjohn You are up early, lol.
@MatsGranvik Sorry I can't answer your math questions, I am only a banana.
 
@JasperLoy ok
 
11:05 AM
@ThomasAndrews They are a relatively new organisation. Trying to get things in place. The emails aren't necessarily spam but rather promoting problems to you. You can turn them off. I agree though, at first they send way too many. They are not sending to spam though.
 
11:45 AM
OK, what happened in here? I thought I gave @Khallil an exercise to think about but @Pedro seem to imply that something happened after I signed out.
 
@BalarkaSen Khallil had a fight with the others
 
About what?
 
Thomas, Ted and other people
English US and English UK
He said that thomas spelt something wrong etc.
 
People these days. Can't find a good topic to fight about.
Oh, no, I mean th..that's very bad...
 
@BalarkaSen Throw 'em up
Also "The Root of Math" is near death
 
11:48 AM
@Alizter Let it die.
 
I have a problem that I am working on
Do you think you can help?
 
Depends on what the problem is.
 
How many functions $f:\Bbb R\to\Bbb R$ satisify $f(x+y)=f(x)f(y)f(xy)$ for all $x,y\in\Bbb R$
 
@Alizter I'll have to toss a coin. No idea.
 
Clearly $f$ is non-injective but that is all i could come up with
I guess it is surjective. By the problem stating so.
 
11:51 AM
Hmm.
$x = y = 0$ gives $f(0) = 0$
 
why?
$f(0)=f(0)f(0)f(0)$?
 
Yes.
 
It could be 1
 
Oh, wait.
 
or -1
 
11:53 AM
Sorry not using paper and pen.
$f(0) = \pm 1, 0$
$f(1) = f(1)f(0)^2$. $f(0) = \pm 1$ if $f(1) \neq 0$.
 
$f(2x)=f(x)^2f(x^2)$
 
I'm just looking at trivialities.
$f(2) = f(1)^3$ So if $f(1) = 0$ so is $f(2)$
$f(x + 1) = f(1)f(x)^2$ So if $f(1) = 0$ then $f$ is identically zero on $\Bbb Z\setminus \{0\}$
 
Also $f(1)=f(1/2)^2 f(1/4)$
 
$0=f(1/2+1/2)=f(1/2)^2f(1/4)$ hence either $f(1/2) = 0$ or $f(1/4) = 0$
Ah, you beat me to it.
 
hah ;)
@BalarkaSen Can we say it could be continious?
 
11:58 AM
I haven't thought about it yet. Let me see.
Well, it's continuous if $ f(0) = 0$, right?
Well, not iff. It's necessary but not sufficient.
 
?
 
$\lim_{h \to 0} f(h) \to 0$
?
Let me get hold of a paper and a pen.
 
There you go
 
Heh.
$f(1/2) = 0$ iff $f(1/4) = 0$ or $f(1/8) = 0$
 
12:03 PM
If $f(0)=0$ then if we let $x=-y$ we get $0=f(x)\,f(-x)\,f(-x^2)\implies...$
 
@Hakim I'm letting $f(0) \neq 0$
There are a quite a lot of possibilities.
 
@BalarkaSen I guess we should work with 3 cases $f(0)=1, -1$ and 0.
 
No, two cases.
f(0) = 0 and f(1) = 0
The latter is what I am considering right now.
 
Welll clearly $f(x)=0$ is such a function
so 1 lower bound
 
@BalarkaSen Hmm I see
 
12:05 PM
and I conjecture
that grahams number is an upper bound
 
oh boy.
 
even though 10,000 would probabally suffice
 
I conjecture that if $f(1) = 0$ then the function is identically zero.
It sure seems that $\lim_{n \to \infty} f(1/2^n) = 0$
 
@BalarkaSen Your conjecture is true, if we let $y=1-x$ we get:
$0=f(1)=f(1-x)\,f(x-1)\,f(x^2-2x+1)\implies f(x)=0$.
 
$f(1)=f(0)^2f(1)$
 
12:09 PM
@Hakim ?
 
$f(2)=f(1)^3$
 
@Alizter Already done.
 
$f(3)=f(1)f(2)^2=f(1)^7$
 
@Hakim How? I don't see how do you imply that.
 
i conjecture that $f(n)=f(1)^{2^n-1}$
 
12:11 PM
$n \in \Bbb N$
Yes, that is true.
 
@BalarkaSen $\forall x$ we have that either $f(1-x)=0$ or $f(x-1)=0$ or $f(x^2-2x+1)=0$, if we let e.g. $1-x=y$ we get $f(y)=0\;\forall y$
 
Well, I guess I was thinking too hard.
There you go @Alizter
 
r9m
alternative approach .. $f(x+y+z) = $ .. :D
 
I don't get the joke, @r9m
 
I tink there are only two others
 
12:16 PM
@Alizter Yes, $x\mapsto 0,\pm1$
 
r9m
@Alizter $f(x) = 0,1,-1$ are the only solutions :) $f$ must be a constant function
 
Yes.
 
@r9m I agree with @r9m
and now @Hakim
 
r9m
@BalarkaSen I am not joking :| ,,, you can use $x+(y+z)$ and $(x+y)+z$ to expand on $f(x+y+z)$ using that relation in two ways :) .. do that and tell me :D
 
@r9m Oh, I was under the impression that you were joking by looking at the smiley.
If you are serious, don't use imoticons.
 
12:19 PM
Does the Joker Joke?
 
And I am not going to do that tedious very boring job =P
 
r9m
(-_-) Humph! okay I get it ... :|
 
=)
@skullpatrol Right.
 
:-)
 
I know, it's a typo.
 
r9m
12:22 PM
poke @skull :P
 
@Alizter Prepared to do some number theory?
 
r9m
@Alizter ya .. when he means business :|
 
I can't get enough of this
 
Any suggestions on books or papers on the subject on Riemann's zeta function? Especially for BA students.
 
12:28 PM
@user2804303 Dr Riemanns zeros
 
@user2804303 How much NT have you studied?
 
I'm taking number theory next spring. How important is it when dealing with the zeta function?
 
@user2804303 Here is one: oeis.org/A002410
 
Heh. NT is all about Riemann zeta.
@Mats Let's not give a bunch of pretty advanced reasearch-level book to a newbie.
Refrain from doing that.
 
@BalarkaSen At a young age a person learns best when given an overivew of the subject. That is my opinion.
 
12:31 PM
@user2804303 Are you familiar with complex analysis?
@MatsGranvik Background is always needed before jumping in a very complicated subject. That is my opinion.
Learning bits of stuffs from different books is a bad idea to study.
 
@BalarkaSen I've studied complex analysis on my own to deal with the subject.
 
http://i.gyazo.com/d19dd0a5bfcae19bcdc5b9d79f3148a9.png

This looks so symmetric that I must ask whether there's a category theoretical reason for this (both the theorems and the requirement for finiteness of the collections in c and d).
 
@user2804303 Great. If you are familiar with CA, I refer you to Titchmarsh.
 
Unfortunatey NT and complex analysis is not very well represented in my university
 
@BalarkaSen Yes and therefore a single equation will not be helpful. That is starting with a single equation. It is like giving an abbreviation and asking the person what does this tell you, or an acronym one is trying to interpret.
 
12:34 PM
What book have you used when studying complex analysis?
 
Also, is there any category theoretical link between the $A \subseteq B \subseteq C \Rightarrow [A:C]=[A:B][B:C]$ that appears both in group and field theory?
I've got Ahfors at the moment and don't like it that much.
 
@MatsGranvik Have you read the books linked in OEIS? The first one, Bombieri's need massive understanding in NT to even grasp it properly.
 
@BalarkaSen I had a feeling you would ask me that. I have not read a single paper or book in its entirety in the oeis or other places, about the Riemann hypothesis.
 
Those are not elementary readings.
 
@BalarkaSen I've listened to multiple lectures from other universities (MIT etc). Libraries are closed in the summer.
any book recommendations on NT and complex analysis? especially to deal with the zeta function.
 
12:39 PM
@user2804303 If you feel that's enough for you, read up Titchmarsh "Theory of Riemann Zeta function". In case you think you need to understand complex analysis more, read up Titcmarsh. (This time "Theory of Functions" =P)
@user2804303 Well, I can't recommend anything unless I know how much you have studied.
 
@user2804303 For book recommendations always take a look here: ocf.berkeley.edu/~abhishek/chicmath.htm
 
@BalarkaSen I've read Titchmarch little bit (plouffe.fr/simon/math/… ) and I bought Riemann's Zeta Function / by Harold M. Edwards
 
I hate Edwards. Meh. Read up Titchmarsh from the beginning to the end, not a little bit.
@MatsGranvik Then it's a bad idea to refer those.
I try not to refer the books I haven't read.
I believe it's good for people to read surveys (i.e., books) before reading serious papers.
 
Problem is that our BA thesis is supposed to be 9EAP (160h~). I'm trying to keep the work in those limits.
studying 2 entire new subjects (NT and complex analysis) quickly exceeds those limits
 
@BalarkaSen When the proof of the Riemann hypothesis comes it will be either through bounds on arithmetic sequences that Riemann hypothesis predicts, or it will be proof that "If the Riemann zeta zeros are of this form then their real part must be one half".
 
12:44 PM
I understand the problem is that the chosen subject is not the most suitable but it's what interests me...
 
@MatsGranvik It's hard to tell. AFAIK, the most popular argument these days is Iwaniec's, by inspecting trace formulas for L-functions of certain elliptic curves.
 
AYAM
?
 
Actually, I think there should not be book recommendation questions on this site.
 
@MatsGranvik ?
 
One should just go to the library and browse at all available options.
 
12:47 PM
And For All I Know = AFAIK?
 
@JasperLoy What if someone can't access a library?
 
@MatsGranvik As Far As I Know
 
AYAM=And Your Abbreviation Means?
 
@Hakim He can access amazon where he can see book samples and reviews, or Russian servers for free copies.
 
@Mats Haha, OK. Got it. =D
 
12:49 PM
Anyway, I think Ted and Thomas were a bit too harsh on Khallil yesterday, who was just being naughty. I hope they can reconcile.
 
There are other approaches though which are made popular by Mochizuki but unfortunately I don;t understand those.
It's the so-called "Field with one element theory"
 
@JasperLoy Anyway for me I'm sticking with ocf.berkeley.edu/~abhishek/chicmath.htm and scribd.com
 
@JasperLoy What was all that about?
 
@Hakim OK. I recommend you lib.freescienceengineering.org and en.bookfi.org
@BalarkaSen It's a long story, too long to tell here.
 
@Alyosha What do you mean?
i.e., what kind of link?
 
12:52 PM
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It just comes from the basic property of vector spaces, no?
 
It's funny how paranoid everyone is about posting lines here.
 
@JasperLoy I'm not paranoid, I've just thought that torrent links weren't welcome here
 
Anyone knows where I can find an online copy of Folland's Advanced Calculus, please ping me.
 
@JasperLoy Found.
 
12:59 PM
@Hakim Does it work?
 
@JasperLoy Let me try...
 
@Hakim I think I tried it long ago, but cannot remember.
 
@JasperLoy Tried but it contains only the first 72 pages
Let me retry my search
 
Is A classical introduction to modern number theory by Ireland available on the internet?
 
@user2804303 Try the 2 sites I wrote above.
 
1:02 PM
@user2804303 Yes, it too popular to not be available there
@JasperLoy Actually the link I gave you contains only solutions and not the actual book
 
@Hakim Aha! Thanks anyway
 
You're welcome @JasperLoy ;)
 
having solutions is a good thing :)
 
Sorry @JasperLoy searched also on scribd but it seems to be rare
 
@Hakim Never mind.
 
1:22 PM
@JasperLoy Getting a copy for you
 
@JasperLoy I've found a *.zip file that may contain it but it's under a password and brute force will surely not crack it ... so I'm still searching
 
Great i have a virus
gonna have to fight this
I hate torrents. They should just stop them all together. Legal things are rarely done anyway.
 
@BalarkaSen I understand the proof of both $[A:C]=[A:B][B:C], (A:C)=(A:B)(B:C)$. Are these both special cases of a single theorem?
 
1:38 PM
@Alizter Move to a Linux distro, no more problems with viruses and similar junk
 
I am using Linux Mint 17.
 
Not the good chatroom at all, but .... anyone knows how to burn an iso to a usb without admin rights ?
 
@Hippalectryon Depends on what the *.iso contains
 
An OS @Hakim
 
@Hippalectryon Before you do that, make sure that you can boot from usb, some computers can't, so only burn to dvd.
 
1:44 PM
@JasperLoy I can boot from USB
 
That's the question @Hippalectryon which OS?
 
@Hakim some really lightweight OS (it's some windows reg editor)
Idk if I can even call that an OS
 
@Alizter If you are on Windows you can just use Microsoft security essentials as antivirus.
 
@Hippalectryon Format your USB according to this config' bootdisk.com/art/penboot.jpg
 
@Hakim gyazo.com/132c43094ffa1614a78c388363a9f896 where do I get the right menu ?
 
1:53 PM
@Hippalectryon Oupss... sorry it's not the format menu but this software: rufus.akeo.ie
 
@Hippalectryon hmmmm
 
I launched it again and '0 devices found' @Hakim
 
@Hippalectryon Seems rufus isn't compatible with your USB device
Can you try isotousb.com ?
 
I have seen too many different instructions on burning iso to usb that I rather not try at all.
 
1:57 PM
Blocked by the antivirus :C gyazo.com/f1e1eaa0512e2cdb22fdc6560f7d43e6 @Hakim
 
@Hippalectryon I don't know why eset blocked that site, I've used that software one time and it worked perfectly
Anyway try this one it will mostly work
 
Unetbootin requires admin priviledges i think
 
There are a couple of changes to Mint recently.
 
@Hippalectryon You can't get admin privileges?
 
One is that their ubuntu based editions will only be based on ubuntu lts.
Two is that they are considering switching their debian based edition from debian testing to debian stable.
 
2:01 PM
@Hakim No it's a school computer and I don't have mine for the moment (i'm abroad)
 
Okay, let me search
@Hippalectryon Try this
 
Haha
 
@Hippalectryon Last option: your USB may already be bootable and so copy/paste your ISO in it and rename it "boot.iso" (important)
 
@Alizter Thanks, I'll be waiting, nvm if you fail.
 
2:13 PM
@Hakim How do I know if it's already bootable ?
@Hakim It's formated as Fat32 so I'm not sure ...
Btw can anyone help me solve $\int_0^1 {\sqrt[3]{\dfrac{\{1/x\}}{1-\{1/x\}}}\dfrac{\text{d}x}{1-x}}$ ?
 
@Hippalectryon Just try and see...
 
r9m
2:29 PM
@Hippalectryon are those curls $\{\}$ fractional part ?
 
@r9m yes
 
r9m
@Hippalectryon then I guess then we should split the integral over $[1/n,1/{n+1}]$ :)
 
@r9m I'd need a better clue :) i've never never done this kind of integral before
 
r9m
@Hippalectryon okay ... do the integral with the limits $\displaystyle \int_{\frac{1}{n+1}}^{\frac{1}{n}}$
and sum over $n$ I guess
 
@r9m I understood that much XD i just don't see where to go then
 
2:40 PM
Hey guys us folks over on Programming Puzzles and Code Golf need your assistance. And by us I mean just me really.
 
@Hippalectryon There's this nice documentation that explains how to treat fractional parts in integrals
 
I ran this competition and got some results, but we can't agree on the best way to interpret the results.
Here is the scoreboard: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…
We came up with a histogram for the median i.imgur.com/MyMrqTV.jpg and for the geometric mean i.imgur.com/bLAij8T.jpg
How would you determine who wins the competition, given the five trials? I'm not sure how to determine which is the most statistically relevant
Hmm I appear to have killed all discussion. Carry on!
 
How can one put in LaTeX the numbers at the end of a line to number equations ?
 
\tag{1}
 
@Rainbolt can you link us the challenge ?
 
2:51 PM
The results are not posted yet. I am waiting to post them after I understand the best way to determine winner out of the five trials I have so far
The problem is, it takes 8 hours to run a single trial
A moderator has already granted a bounty extension on the question.
 
@DanielFischer If I could bother you for a minute, how could you show that $\int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{\sin (x) \cos (xu)}{xu} \ du \ dx = \int_{1}^{\infty} \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{\sin (x) \cos (xu)}{xu} \ dx \ du$? Changing the order of integration is not immediately justified by Tonelli's or Fubini's theorem.
 
@Alyosha I'm not sure : But they are both related, you realize that, no?
 
@G.T.R. I have to run for a moment. I should be back in an hour and a half. If you respond, please ping me :)
 
@RandomVariable Not sure. One could see whether an integration by parts gets it into a form where Fubini is applicable.
 
@Alyosha $|G : H| = |G : N||N : H|$ fact for groups (assume inverse galois for some base field with which you want to work with) is just a realization of Galois's theorem : if $K/E/F$ is a tower of galois extensions then there is a short exact sequence of galois groups $1 \to \mathbf{Gal}(K/E) \to \mathbf{Gal}(K/F) \to \mathbf{Gal}(E/F) \to 1$.
Note that $\mathbf{Gal}(A/B)$ has order precisely $[A : B]$
So once you know Lagrange's theorem for groups, your degree-of-field-extension theorem (which indeed mimics Lagrange's theorem) is no accident.
 
3:05 PM
@DanielFischer That's what I usually do in these situations. But in this case it doesn't seem to lead anywhere good.
 
@Rainbolt is it pure chance that Crowley and AveragLoser have such a high score on the first trial or have they submitted some very smart programs ?
 
@TedShifrin What the heck just happened after I signed out?
 
G'day @Daniel, @GTR, @Balarka.
 
Salut @Ted
 
Oh, and good day to you too, @TedShifrin
 
3:10 PM
Huh? @Balarka I am hardly here at all.
 
Good afternoon, @Ted.
 
@TedShifrin I mean about Khallil.
 
@Daniel: Regarding your comment, I don't believe it works for $f(x)=x^p$ when $p=-1$.
Thomas and I were both fed up with his obnoxious antics, @Balarka.
 
@TedShifrin A very faulty way to evaluate the integral : $f(x)$ be $\int \frac{dx}{x}$ without the arbitrary constant. $f(uv) = \int \frac{udv + vdu}{uv} = \int \frac{dv}{v} + \int \frac{du}{u} = f(u) + f(v)$. One can prove that $f(\exp(x)) = x$ by the limit definition of $e$ now.
I know I am being cheeky. Apologies.
 
@TedShifrin Try it. I'm pretty sure it works. It's the hint Otto Forster gives for exercise 18.3 in his Analysis I, and how we did it in the first semester. Of course you need to know the derivative of $x \mapsto a^x$.
 
3:14 PM
@TedShifrin Ah?
What did he do?
 
Ah, @Daniel, I assign that exercise (which I put in Spivak) for all other $p$. Are you suggesting you get $p=-1$ by taking a limit, then? Believable. I couldn't see how a log could show up :)
You can read if you care, @Balarka. You were here fir the altercation with me.
 
@Rainbolt it seems there's no pattern for who gets the maximum value in a given trial. So choosing a winner according to the max value is inconsistent. I would balance things like $$\frac{0.1\times \max + \min + 2\times \text{other values}}{0.1+1+6}$$ It still rewards people with large maximum to a lesser extent, putting a larger emphasis on other values
 
@TedShifrin You mean the one that happened months ago?
 
@DanielFischer Could properties of the Fourier transform somehow be used to justify changing the order of integration?
 
3:19 PM
Other than that I don't recall having any altercation with you.
 
Am I the only one who prefers $\operatorname{Re}$ and $\operatorname{Im}$ to $\Re$ and $\Im$?
3
 
@Alizter Definitely not. I have seen those before.
But I prefer Re and Im
 
I don't remember months ago. Have I tangled with him before? No, yesterday with his "Needy" comment to me. I still don't know if @N3 has read my answer. I guess this abbreviation doesn't ping him.
 
@chinamath hey, did you take a look at "chat guidelines" here meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/3890/… ?
 
@RandomVariable Maybe. I'm still thinking about integration by parts.
 
3:20 PM
@Alizter I use those too, I've never used the others ($\Re$ and $\Im$)
 
@Alizter it is really a matter of choice
 
No, @Alizter, I always use those too.
Heya méchant @Hippa
 
IMPO fraktur makes it look to ambiguous and ugly. But don't get me wrong, it's great for other things.
 
@TedShifrin Oh, I thought you were referring to me. Well, I haven't understood your answer, at least, I can let you know that.
 
oh,@G.T.R,Thank you
 
3:21 PM
If you are prepared to explain your answer (or what the question actually was), I am ready, @TedShifrin
 
@TedShifrin >:C what did I do again ?
 
@Alizter No, certainly not. Since $\operatorname{Re}$ and $\operatorname{Im}$ are standard, pretty much everybody uses those, I wonder what devil rode Knuth to choose $\Re$ and $\Im$.
 
I gave you the factorization, @Balarka. What's not to understand?
 
@TedShifrin You said my factorization was too hard. I am trying to understand "hard" in what sense.
 
You guys wanted to factor that quartic over $\Bbb R$, and I said to use undetermined coeffs ... which I then did.
You said to find the complex roots. In general, that's far more of a pain than what I did.
 
3:23 PM
Hmm. Now that I think over it, the quartic didn't have all it's roots in $\Bbb R$, did it?
Right. Duh.
 
None in $\Bbb R$, in fact.
 
I didn't even check that.
@TedShifrin So what you did was to take the conjugate roots together and add-multiply to get a 2-2 factorization over R, right?
 
Noooooo.
 
Well, the difference is that you didn't add and multiply at all.
 
the only reasonable way to find the complex roots is to find my factorization!
 
3:27 PM
I know. I know. I am being an idiot.
 
You said it, not I :)
You could do the resolvent cubic, etc., but seriously ....
 
Heh.
But actually the computational complexity are somewhat the same, you know
So. Well. Who cares.
Lagrange resolvent is always a better way.
 
You know undetermined coeffs, I'm sure. Then I did some intelligent guessing/elimination.
 
@TedShifrin Yes. But that doesn't work if you work with $\Bbb C$ adjoined with some transcendentals.
i.e, a general quartic.
 
Of course, but I assumed @N3. Had been given a nice one ;)
Transcendentals? What?
 
3:31 PM
Two-word pings doesn't work.
@TedShifrin The general quartic. The general quartic.
 
General with parameters, you mean. To me, general means generic :)
 
No, no, don't confuse them. It's essential to know the difference between them. Most geometers confuse.
Galois's theorem and Abel's theorem are not the same.
 
No need to lecture me :)
 
It's only by luck that they worked over $\Bbb Q$ and by luck again that one implies another. The resolutions of Galois and Abel-Ruffini are vastly different.
@TedShifrin I lecture geometers about some small algebras I know off the top of my head time-to-time =P
 
Go review your English syntax for your exams, however. :D
 
3:35 PM
I asked a question on tex.se to see if anybody there knows Knuth/Ams's motives.
 
But, seriously, the difference should be made clear.
@TedShifrin Eh, English is OK.
 
Agreed, @Balarka, and I do know the difference.
 
@TedShifrin That's great.
 
Read your sentence up ^^ there....
 
@TedShifrin well, i am typing very fast =D
i should be off. got loads to do.
byes.
 
3:39 PM
Bye, me too.
 
@RandomVariable Unless I'm being stupid, integrating by parts gives you $$\int_0^\infty \int_1^\infty \frac{\sin x \cos (ux)}{ux}\,du\,dx = \int_0^\infty \int_1^\infty \frac{\sin x\sin (ux)}{u^2x^2}\,du\,dx - \int_0^\infty \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2}\,dx,$$ and you can change the order of integration in the remaining iterated integral. Now, seeing that that is the same as changing the order of integration in the original, well, it's not obvious to me ;)
 
3:55 PM
@G.T.R Yes, it was purely by chance that Crowley and AverageLoser did so well in the first trial. They were paired with other "simple" submissions. I don't know how to parse your notation. Are you viewing this chat room in some sort of viewer? It was literally displayed to me as $$\frac{0.1\times \max + \min + 2\times \text{other values}}{0.1+1+6}$$
 
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