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12:04 AM
@anon Yo, yo.
 
ugh
 
@anon What's wrong?
 
I have taken enough ibuprofen for a migraine that I can taste it in my brain
 
@anon Yum. Orange flavored? I remember ibuprofen for kids was delicious. Not that you're a kid.
 
it's not flavored
 
12:06 AM
Just nostalgic about childhood.
@anon Ah.
Bummer.
So how can you taste it?
 
by taking enough of it, apparently
 
@anon Heh! Maybe you need something else.
 
@Ethan yep
 
@anon Prepare for Linear Algebra questions. Muahahahaha!
I'm reading about the dual space of a vector space ATM, @anon
 
12:37 AM
@anon Isn't $$\left\{ {x \in V:f\left( x \right) = 0\;\;\forall f \in S^\circ } \right\} = S$$ saying something like $(S^\circ)^\circ=S$?
 
Give him a break, he's got a headache.
 
surely that set is empty? (S^\circ is the dual right?)
 
@anon The annihilator.
Dual is $V^*$.
 
okay
in commutative algebra we use Ann(-) ...
then yes, that is what that statement is saying essentially
 
@anon Although they probably didn't write that because they haven't proven that $(V^*)^*\simeq V$ yet.
@anon How is your headache?
 
12:42 AM
better
 
Glad.
@anon How does one wrap one's head around $(V^*)^*=V$?
Maybe I should understand $V^*$ better first.
 
in fact it is a "natural" isomorphism for finite-dimensional spaces, but not even an isomorphism at all in general for infinite-dimensional ones. this wildly different behavior indicates dimensionality is a critical part
probably the easiest or most straightforward/available way of wrapping one's head around $(V^*)^*\cong V$ is with $V\cong K^{{\rm dim}_K(V)}$ and $(K^n)^*\cong K^n$ (in fact this shows $V\cong V^*$ when $\dim_KV<\infty$). unfortunately this does not touch naturality at all, and naturality is why the double dual is special and distinguished from the usual dual. It's not clear to me if naturality is indeed "obvious."
 
@PeterTamaroff You take an element $v\in V$ and define $\hat v:V^\ast\to K$ by $\hat v(f)=f(v)$. It's $v$ asking the functions what its value is.
If $V^\ast$ has a finite basis, then $v$ can get all that information in finitely many conversations.
 
@user1 LAWL.
 
@PeterTamaroff I am 100% serious bro. ;)
 
12:55 AM
@user1 Of course. That's why it is funny.
 
@PeterTamaroff Anyway, the point is, you can reconstruct the representation of v wrt to a basis of $V$ as a linear combination of these reports when $V$ is finitely generated.
 
@PeterTamaroff Which part of the question do I have to read? :P To figure out what you're answering?
Ah, after skimming it, I think I know.
@PeterTamaroff Seems that Alec blotched the question so there is no good interpretation. Your answer looks sound though.
I meant "botched the question" btw. I really am having trouble writing right now.
 
1:14 AM
@user1 are you ok?
 
@user1 What happened? =/
 
@skullpatrol Yeah.
@PeterTamaroff Nothing.
 
@PeterTamaroff I agree. Though I kind of suck at number theory, so it is one of the first things I would try.
 
1:21 AM
@user1 Heh.
@anon In the Wikipedia page it says "If $V$ is finite dimensional, it is isomorphic to $V^*$, but the isomorphism is not natural and it depends on the choice of basis"
 
yes
 
What does "natural" mean?
 
not unnatural
 
natural isomorphism is a concept from category theory. it roughly means that the isomorphism can be explicated without making arbitrary choices.
 
@anon "explicated"?
 
1:24 AM
explicitly written out
 
@anon Ah.
So it's like "You should figure it out easily, dumbass?"
=)
 
hi
 
@what'sup Nice.
 
not quite
should be indexed starting at n=0, and it should be $\frac{e^{in\theta}}{n!}$ in the summand, yielding $e^{e^{i\theta}}$
 
You probably mean $C_\theta$?
@anon True.
 
1:39 AM
yeah i'm sorry
can you edit it ???
 
only you (or mods) can edit it, but you have a 2-min time window in which to do so
 
@what'sup You can edit it. If not, delete it and re-post.
 
i just wanted to say something

let $$ C_\theta = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{\cos(n\theta)}{n!} $$

$$ S_\theta = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{\sin(n\theta)}{n!} $$

$$ C_\theta + iS_\theta = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{e^{in\theta}}{n!} = e^{e^{i\theta}} $$

$$ = e^{\cos \theta + i \sin \theta} = e^{\cos \theta} \times e^{i\sin \theta} = e^{\cos \theta}\cos(\sin \theta) + ie^{\cos \theta}\sin(\sin \theta)$$

$$ \therefore \ C_\theta = e^{\cos \theta}\cos(\sin \theta) $$

can use it in the integral you mentioned
right now ???
 
yeah
 
ok
 
1:45 AM
didn't need so big of spaces though
 
oh sorry
 
for future reference
 
ok
 
@what'sup Who mentioned the integral?
 
i think Ethan
i wasn't there but i saw it
 
1:50 AM
@what'sup You should put @whoever so they will be notified of it.
 
ok he's not @Ethan i think @Chris'ssis
continue or the answer is known
for my way
another question : let $$ f : [a,b] \to \mathbb{R} $$ be a continuously differentiable function such that : $$ \int_a^b f(x) \ dx = 0 $$ prove that : $$ \left | \int_a^x f(t) \ dt \right | \leq \frac{(x-a)(b-x)}{2} M
for all $$ x \in [a,b] $$ where $$ M = \max_{x \in [a,b] } | f'(x)|$$
who wants to solve it say yes
 
2:05 AM
@what'sup What have you tried?
 
i know the answer
but i want to see your tries ?
 
Hi. Can somebody help explain to me why integrating over a circular region using polar coordinates has varying ranges in theta?
 
@agent154 You want the vector or radius $r$ to "spin", don't you?
@what'sup Sorry, I am doing something else.
 
ok take your time
 
@agent154 because different points in a circular region generally have different values of theta for their angle
 
2:09 AM
Yes, but my question is - if I have a circle centered at the origin, the range of theta is 0 to 2pi... but if the circle is centered at say, (x,y)=(0,1), then the range of theta is 0 to pi. I just don't understand why it's still not 0 to 2pi
 
namely, any two points not on the same line through the origin will have different value of theta
@agent154 ithe range of theta should be 0 to 2pi all the same. unless you're hiding information from us. which is likely; users tend to filter what information they think is relevant for potential answeres, and occasionally do a poor job of filtering...
 
Say I integrate over the region x^2+y^2=1... 0<=r<=1, 0<=theta<=2pi.
But if I integrate over the region x^2+(y-1)^2=1, then 0<=theta<=pi
 
no
well, I amend my answer
 
That was the case when I saw a tutorial video by patrickjmt, and was confirmed by somebody on a post I made on math.sx
 
since polar coordinates are based at the origin, and not at the center of the circle
 
2:14 AM
OK, that makes a bit of sense then
 
notice that every point in the second circle is in the upper hemisphere
meaning their theta values will be in the range 0 to pi
 
But you can't cover it one pass.
 
(in fact, every theta value strictly in that range corresponds to points in the circular region)
 
Yeah - I'm new to polar coordinates. I neglected to realize that they are based on the origin
 
Ah, nevermind.
 
2:15 AM
jeebus, who softcodes english subs over top of hardcoded chinese subs
:annoyed:
 
good bye
 
later
 
i'm back
hahaha
 
welcome
:D
 
a question to all of you : do you like to put mathematics in your words with your family , friends ??
2
 
2:25 AM
no
 
ok
another opinion ??
 
yes
I wish I was better at it though.
 
:)
 
that's why i don't do it
 
hahahahahaha
ok another opinions from @anon @agent154 @PeterTamaroff
 
2:30 AM
6 mins ago, by what'sup
a question to all of you : do you like to put mathematics in your words with your family , friends ??
 
Not sure what you mean
 
why ?
 
Do you like to use mathematical words with your friends and family?
 
exactly my english is bad
 
Integrating over the region D={(x,y)|x>=0,x^2+y^2<=9} means the upper half of a circle centered at (0,0) with r=3?
 
2:32 AM
x>=0 means right half, y>=0 would mean upper half
 
@what'sup not really; I'm a math major, but I'm also a computer science major and that is more my focus.
 
:) ok
 
@anon Ah yes; mixed that up in my head. Thanks
 
@anon
 
@anon Would that mean that the limits of theta are -pi/2 to pi/2?
 
2:34 AM
yes, sometimes I talk about math with my friends, and sometimes I use math words or talk about math words and ideas with my friends. generally I dumb it down to layperson-mode as much as possible. I don't talk about math with my family though.
yes ^
 
did they ever call you nerd ??
 
sure
 
He is known to his family as the pediatric mathematician ;-)
 
clap clap clap
good bye now seriously
 
I usually try to, but it is hard.
 
2:38 AM
With your family too?
 
Yeah. I once explained to my sister what a topological space was.
 
cool
 
I don't dare try to explain such things to laypeople... though I am rather fond of my knowledge that R is an uncountable set...
I have a couple of friends at school into math... one person I know is also doing a joint major in Computer Science and Pure Math... so I can talk to him about math humor.
 
3:25 AM
When converting a double integral given in rectangular coordinates to polar coordinates, does it matter if dA=dx dy or dy dx?
For example - I have $\int\limits_{-4}^{4}\int\limits_{0}^{\sqrt{16-y^2}} \sqrt{x^2+y^2+9}\ dx\ dy$
 
not really; switching the order amounts to reparametrization
though you need to switch the integrals themselves around (and play with their bounds) if you're going to switch dx and dy around
 
But if I just want to take that information and convert to polar, I can just say 0<=r<=4 and -pi/2<=theta<=pi/2?
I had a similar question just before it with the order of integration swapped...
 
@agent154 yes
 
OK, thanks
 
3:51 AM
@anon Duuuude.
 
 
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5:40 AM
Hello
 
6:10 AM
hi
is there any books like this one :Problems In Calculus Of One Variable:
@skullpatrol
@anon
 
@pourjour Have a look at this question and the questions linked there: Challenging problems in calculus.
And perhaps you might found other interesting posts among questions tagged reference-request+calculus
 
6:26 AM
@MartinSleziak I've downloaded most of those books but there aren't quite useful or I found out are just textbooks
 
@pourjour what constitutes a textbook for you?
 
@TobiasKildetoft courses
 
@pourjour you mean one written with a course in mind, or one that could be used for a course?
 
@TobiasKildetoft does it matter?
 
I was just wondering, since you said those were just textbooks (and it was not clear to me what that meant)
 
6:31 AM
Do you want something like Demidovich?
 
especially the "just" part
 
@MartinSleziak already have one
@TobiasKildetoft I'm looking for a pure problems book
 
BTW the book you've mentioned (Maron) is one of the recommendation in that thread.
@pourjour Do you need anything more, then?
 
@MartinSleziak yep demidovich and maroc are good
@MartinSleziak I'm looking for a third one if it exists :D
 
Best practice book for calculus - this question mention also Schaum's outline apart from the two.
I did not see this one, but based on other Schaum's Outline I have seen I would expect it to be easier than Demidovich.
OTOH Schaum's books have an advantage that they include relatively detailed solution (again, judging by the other books I've seen).
 
6:36 AM
@MartinSleziak shaum's series are easy
I'm just wondering how did you master Calculus
 
Have you seen Kaczor-Nowak? Mentioned for example here: Suggest books in calculus to improve problem solving skills
I am not sure that I can say I've mastered calculus.
 
@MartinSleziak at least you are better than me
 
But at the time I was studying I was using only Demidovich for exercises. (And additionally the exercises given to us by teachers.)
 
@MartinSleziak do you know any website where can I find exercises given by teachers?
 
What about simply googling for course sites?
 
6:41 AM
@MartinSleziak ok that would be a headache
 
@pourjour hmm, it might be nice if someone made such a repository
 
For example you might have a look at courses offered in Cambridge: dpmms.cam.ac.uk/study/#PartIA
 
but most teachers just use standard exercises, so it will probably be hard to find good ones
 
@TobiasKildetoft that's the problem
@MartinSleziak I will take a look on those books, seem interesting
 
@TobiasKildetoft I have seen some exercises given in the linear algebra course at Cambridge. (My colleague's son started studying there last year.) Some of them were very nice. There is a chance that they also have interesting ones for introductory calculus course.
Another way to find good and interesting exercises might be to go through highly voted questions at MSE in the tag of your interest.
 
6:51 AM
@MartinSleziak yeah, it does happen (the linear algebra course here has one extra hard problem per week, and those are usually really nice and challenging)
except one which nobody including the lecturer was able to solve
 
Where it is here?
 
Aarhus University
 
Hi, I have posted question, math.stackexchange.com/questions/457798/…. Can anyone help me
 
@pranitkothari Only distance $A_1P_2$ is known, or do you know the coordinates of $P_2$?
 
I know coordinates as well
@MartinSleziak I know coordinates as well
 
6:57 AM
Then you should say so in the question in the first place.
 
@MartinSleziak Actually I wrote I know P2 and all the things in coordinate system.
 
And it seems that you are simply asking about intersection of the line $A_1P_2$ with the circle of radius $r$ around $P_1$, which should be easy.
You simply solve system of two equations, one of them is quadratic (circle) the other one is linear (line).
 
@MartinSleziak Yes I am asking that only
 
@pranitkothari I don't see such information in your post.
 
@MartinSleziak I am not good at Maths. Really stuck with from long time and keep on doing rand
@MartinSleziak Can you suggest what should I do for getting P1 (x,y)
 
7:01 AM
So can we assume that A1 has coordinates $(0,0)$ and $P_2$ has coordintes $(x_P,y_P)$?
 
@MartinSleziak No A1 is not (0,0), origin is somewhere else
 
So $(x_A,y_A)$?
 
@MartinSleziak Actually all values of Lat/Long converted to meters
@MartinSleziak That is also known
 
Do you need to solve it in general, or do you now what numbers are $x_A$, $y_A$...?
 
@MartinSleziak Numbers are not exactly know. I will vary as with problem
But it will be fixed for given problem.
That is for every problem P1 is unkown and r,A1,P2 is known
@MartinSleziak Numbers will vary everytime. But for given problem it will be fixed
 
7:21 AM
The number of integers less then or equal to $x$ with coprime exponents in there prime factorization is, $$\sum_{n=2}^\infty\frac{\ln(x)^n}{\zeta(n)n!}+O(\sqrt{\ln(x)})$$
 
@pranitkothari I've posted an answer on the main.
I hope that it is what you have been asking.
 
@MartinSleziak ok.. thanks. I am looking at answer
 
I think you should also clarify your question. (Add some information you've mentioned here in the chat).
 
@MartinSleziak Sure. I will do that.
 
I need to get some work down, so I cannot hang around in chat anymore. See you later!
 
7:29 AM
@MartinSleziak Sure. Thanks for your help.
 
 
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9:08 AM
Any quick way to see why the topology of the ideles is not the one induced from the adeles?
ah, nevermind. it is finer, as (1,...,1,p,1,1,...) shows
 
Can I invite a user to private chat somehow? There is a guy with too little rep to chat who keeps giving half or incorrect answers to a question, and the last one seems like he might be interested in learning
 
9:32 AM
I don't think so.
Maybe you can create a chat room and check the options for inviting users.
If you click on his avatar you should see
Actions
invite this user…
start a new room with this user
at the bottom
 
But that is only if he is already in chat, isn't it?
 
Yes.
Try and click on his avatar...
 
But he is not in chat (he doesn't have enough rep for regular chat)
 
I think there is an option for inviting low rep users into a private chat room, but I'm not sure how it works, sorry.
@TobiasKildetoft I found it here
Explicit write access add a user

Even when this room is read-only or their reputation is too low, these users will be able to talk in this room.
 
9:44 AM
Start your own room or give the user name and I'll add him
 
 
1 hour later…
10:51 AM
 
@skullpatrol I saw this once in an adult movie
 
Adult movies finance the internet.
 
@skullpatrol Even some families
 
@TobiasKildetoft do you have experience with representable functors?
I have quite a few exercises I may need help with
 
@BenjaLim some. Mainly as a way to define schemes
 
11:06 AM
right because my advisor today started talking about fibered products but he wants to do it in a way that is very highfalutin
 
highfalutin?
 
yea
Like he started talking about representable sheaves and shit. TBH quite a bit is going over my head
 
ahh, just googled it. I had never seen that word before
I mainly know representable functors as in "a scheme is a representable functor from k-alg to sets"
hmm, actually that should be affine scheme I guess
 
@TobiasKildetoft what do you mean "a scheme is a representable functor"?
@TobiasKildetoft You know I am only an undergraduate student and some of this is getting way over my head
 
the category of affine schemes over some ring k is equivalent to the category of representable functors from k-alg to sets
ahh
you know the definition of a functor being representable?
 
11:11 AM
yea if it's isomorphic to $\hom(-,X)$ where $X$ is an object in the category
I mean the functor is taking values in $\mathcal{C}$ and outputs values in $\textbf{Set}$
and $X \in \mathcal{C}$
 
ok, I would usually have it be the other one, Hom(X,-)
to make it covariant rather than contravariant
 
@TobiasKildetoft Ok. Yea he likes it contravariant my notes have superscript opp all over them
 
ahh, ok
 
@TobiasKildetoft you know a lot of this shit is going over my head
 
I guess that actually makes sense because what I claimed should probably have been antiequivalent rather than equivalent
algebraic geometry is a tough subject to get aquainted with properly
have you had a (pre)sheaf defined as a certain kind of contravariant functor?
 
11:15 AM
yea
@TobiasKildetoft I guess I will have to read this:
 
You should probably look at what the fiber product is in the category of sets, just to get an idea of what it can look like
 
I mean I know what it looks like in simple cases
I computed some simple examples.
@TobiasKildetoft Oh btw do you know much about the scheme $k(u) \otimes_k k(v)$
the fibre product $\spec k(u) \times_k k(v)$
 
where $k(u)$ denotes the rational functions on $k$ in one variable?
 
@TobiasKildetoft For example I am able to determine that $k(u) \otimes_k k(v)$ is a one - dimensional Noetherian domain
yea
is this something interesting?
If it helps it isomorphic to $T^{-1}k[u,v]$ where $T$ is the multiplicative subset of all elements $\{P(u)Q(v)\}$
 
@BenjaLim Hi
 
11:21 AM
@FrankScience hi
 
@BenjaLim Could you help me understand this proof?
 
@FrankScience I am really tired right now tbh
 
I feel that algebra is quite hard.
 
It is and is very abstract
 
@BenjaLim I feel certain I have seen this as an example before, but I forget where and what it really looked like
 
11:23 AM
@BenjaLim Sorry!
 
hmm, it was probably in connection with some intersection theory actually
 
@TobiasKildetoft What was probably in connection?
 
@FrankScience that I saw the example BenjaLim mentioned
 
@FrankScience What do you mean by $AR^n$?
@FrankScience what is meant by $A$ times $R^n$?
 
@BenjaLim $A$ is a matrix, so $AR^n$ is the image of $A$.
 
11:27 AM
right. You should be clearer with your notation.
 
@BenjaLim That's the notation on M.Artin's book. Is it nonstandard?
 
well I am just saying there is some ambiguity
 
I cannot understand wxu's proof. His proof is rather brief.
 
I know he also doesn't explain some of the notation
 
I've edited my post. Is it clearer now?
I don't know what's exactly his exact sequence. He didn't explicate the mapping, and I didn't notice that there's some natural mapping.
 
11:34 AM
well I think he is mixing up some $k$'s
 
His matrix is $n\times m$.
I can understand there's an exact sequence: $0\to W\to V\to V/W\to0$ where $W\subset V$.
 
No that is not correct
you can't just take any subset
 
They're modules.
Or abelian groups.
Ah, I see. His is just this one.
 
I need to read artin for more context and I'm tired now
 
@BenjaLim What's unclear?
@BenjaLim Did I miss something?
@BenjaLim His answer, is totally unrelated to M.Artin's book.
There's no exact sequence in Artin's book.
 
11:43 AM
@amWhy hi
 
Presentations can be given by exact sequences. The statement that $V$ has presentation $R^m/AR^n$ is the same as the exactness of $$R^n\xrightarrow{A}R^m\to V\to 0$$
 
@skullpatrol Hello, skullie ;-)
 
@amWhy how are you?
 
@skullpatrol pretty good, thanks :-]
 
hi
 
11:47 AM
@user1 Yes, now I see that. I'm quite unfamiliar with the exact sequence. I don't know how to understand and manipulate it. I only know the definition, which would be messy.
 
@FrankScience As far as I can tell, it is being used minimally. The answerer uses it to indicate where the arrow $B$ lies in relation to $A$.
 
@user1 His main idea is to show that $UV=I_r\implies$ rank of $U,V$ should be $r$, right?
$0\to\ker A\to R^n\to R^m\to V\to 0$
The existence of $C$ is related to the surjectivity of $B$.
 
Yes.
 
It seems that his argument is that $(V/W)\oplus W^\prime=V$ for some $W^\prime$.
oh, no
It seems that I'm rather stupid. I need some rest.
 
 
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1:10 PM
@skullpatrol peristaltic!
 
1:38 PM
@robjohn hows life
 
@Ethan pretty good. Heading to the park soon.
 
for what?
 
walk the dog
 
oh
 
be back in about an hour
 
1:44 PM
@robjohn I should probably be studying for tests or something, or planning ahead for school. I usually leave everything till the last minute. Can I ask what secondary school you went to after high school?
 
2:32 PM
@Ethan You mean college? High school is usually called secondary school, or at least it was when I was there. I went to UCLA undergrad.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:57 PM
Greetings
(having some fun here proving Wallis product by complex analysis)
 
4:18 PM
ok show me
@Chris'ssis
 
gee that is much easier ?
taking weierstrass factorisation theorem
 
you're talking to me or @Chris'ssis
 
@what'sup Maybe if you firstly compute mentally this: $$\lim_{n\to\infty} n 2^n\int_{1}^{n}\frac{1}{(1+x^2)^n} \ dx$$ and you're kind and tell me how.
 
you can use the hypergeometric function
@Chris'ssis
 
@what'sup what do you think? Does it have a closed form? If yes, why? If not, why not $$\space \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{2013} (e^{2\pi n}-1)}$$
 
4:27 PM
good bye @Chris'ssis
 
@what'sup especially designed to you right now.
 
which one ??
 
@what'sup come on! You need no pen and paper. What's so difficult? Just let me know where you face the big problem and I can give you some hints.
@what'sup did you say good bye? OK, agree! Good bye.
 
later
 
Hello everybody! The set $\{ (r_1 e^{i \varphi_1}, r_2 e^{i \varphi_2}) \in \mathbb C^2 \mid r_1 = a_1, r_2 = a_2, \varphi_1 - \varphi_2 = c \}$, where $a_1,a_2,c = const$ is a circle, right?
 
4:41 PM
@Chris'ssis it does have a closed form
 
@Chris'ssis i came again i'll take the question and think about it because i'm busy now
i'll go again
good bye
can i use lebesgue integration ?? sorry i'm not in your level in maths
 
5:08 PM
@Chris'ssis If $m\equiv -1 \text{ mod 4}$, then for some rational number $q$ $$\pi^{m}q-\frac{\zeta(m)}{2}=\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^m(e^{2\pi n}-1)}$$
Though $2013 \equiv 1 \text{ mod 4}$, still I think there might be some nice form for it
 
@Ethan Why?
 
why what?
 
@Ethan Is there a proof somewhere? I'd like to see it
 
For example, $$\zeta(3)=\frac{7\pi^3}{180}-2\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^3(e^{2\pi n}-1)}$$
 
Let $\displaystyle I(a,m)=\sum_{k\geqslant1}k^{-m}(e^{2\pi ak}-1)^{-1}.$ Then $\displaystyle \frac{\partial^m}{\partial a^m}I(a,m)=(-2\pi)^mI(a,-m)$
 
5:17 PM
?
 
@Ethan Is there a proof of your first expression online?
 
yes
look up, "Plouffe Ramanujan identities"
 
Great, found it
 
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