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12:01 AM
Well. I am going to sleep now.
I bid you a fond remainder of the day.
 
Well, after these disgusting stories, I'm not going to sleep anytime soon :)
 
May death come quickly to your enemies!
 
good night, @Asaf
 
You too, I'm glad we gave you a good excuse to pull an all-nighter ;-)
 
let's see. Don't plan to pull one, honestly...
 
12:05 AM
Sadly I think the internett has dulled my senses, along with horror movies.
Very few scares me or disgusts me anylonger. Except elementary algebra mistakes, or someone defining new axioms.
 
'night, Asaf.
I'm missing JM when he is needed. =)
 
Lousy substitute, but I'm there :) What's up?
 
Well, see if you recall this sequence: $a_n = \sum_{k \geq 0} \frac{k^n}{k!}$. It's Bernoulli or Euler or Stirling numbers or something like that.
I am trying to track down whether this question is a dup: math.stackexchange.com/questions/90629/…, but I cannot search math. So I am trying to search for these keywords.
 
My guess would be to go for euler
 
I browsed through the site, currently checking the website.
Got it: Bell numbers =)
Thanks everyone.
 
12:20 AM
@Srivatsan: this reflects this
 
@Srivatsan Oh, this time you were way faster than me... Just found out now :)
 
@tb Oops, sorry. I should've pinged you on getting the right link.
I had a little headstart. =)
@robjohn Not a duplicate though...
 
@Srivatsan no problem, I went the inefficient way via OEIS A000110
 
@Srivatsan No, I was not trying to say that at all. I was just noting the breaking of polynomials up into the combinatorial polynomials. That is one of my favorites.
 
@tb You found out the initial few values through Alpha or something?
@robjohn Yes, this comes up in other places also.
 
12:25 AM
@Srivatsan yeah, I found $1,\ 1,\ 2,\ 5,\ 15,\ 52,\ 203,\ \ldots$ and plugged it into OEIS
 
@Srivatsan Jonesing for a Mathematician (JM)?
 
@robjohn I presume you know this: Let $p(x)$ be a univariate polynomial with rational coefficients. Then under what condition does the polynomial take integer values for all integer $x$?
@tb cool, thanks. :)
 
But honestly OEIS didn't strike me at all. I would've carried on a random search in wikipedia till I found the exact formula... =)
@robjohn Cool. ;)
 
@Srivatsan A polynomial maps integers to integers iff it is an integral linear combination of combinatorial polynomials.
combinatorial polynomial= $P(x)=\binom{x}{k}$
 
12:30 AM
@robjohn Precisely. :-)
 
@Srivatsan That was the point of that page, though I think I have a better page...
 
@robjohn Yes, I glanced through the first few lines, and figured out you were proving exactly what I wanted. I didn't look at your proof.
And I am not sure how I proved it (and whether my proof is really a proof -- unlike you, I haven't written this down properly anywhere. =))
 
I did that while working at Apple, probably for an ancient sci.math post.
 
@robjohn I think this cute result is a corollary of our above theorem: if a degree $k$ polynomial takes on integer values at $k+1$ consecutive integers, then it maps all integers to integers.
May be it's $k+1$ consecutive integers.
 
Isn't that obvious from finite difference calculus?
 
12:38 AM
@ZhenLin Um, you're right. It's obvious from there.
 
@Srivatsan both work. once you've proven the lemma about combinatorial polys, it's easy.
I wouldn't prove the thing about combinatorial polys just for that though.
 
@robjohn Yes. I had a problem book (that I seem to have lost :() that got it as a corollary of the combinatorial polynomial decomposition.
And I didn't know about finite calculus then.
 
good evening all
 
Hey mixedmath
Hi Zhen
 
12:54 AM
@mixedmath Is that a hello, or goodbye?
@mixedmath Hello :-)
 
It was a hello!
I'm confusing sometimes, what can I say
 
@mixedmath Yes :-) to the "it's a hello"
Ooh, I need to find a calculus problem to answer. I'm one vote away from 200 in
 
oh - wow
 
1:18 AM
@Srivatsan This question definitely should be re-tagged. I'd go for and . What do you think?
 
@tb Why linear-algebra?
 
@Srivatsan well, it's about matrix multiplication... Any better suggestions?
 
@tb Um, let me think about it and get back to you tonight.
I will leave in 5 minutes for dinner.
 
well, no hurry (and I don't know if I'm up for long). Everything is fine as long as it's better than and
(If you should happen to do the re-tagging on your own, note that it should be $O(N^{2.807})$, not what's written there)
 
Yes, noticed.
 
1:34 AM
I would tag it (algorithms) (complexity) (linear-algebra), I think.
 
This sounds good. I was unsure about (complexity).
 
Well, it's in part about the practical limits of the utility of the common concept of asymptotic complexity, so I'd think that tag is relevant.
 
Okay that sounds convincing. Thanks!
 
2:11 AM
So, Victor now closes his own questions as NARQs?
 
I'm searching in vain for an appropriate A Scanner Darkly allusion ("posing as a narc" vs "closing as a narq").
Probably a sign that I need to go to bed now.
And not come back until Saturday ...
 
See you, Henning, have a good week!
 
@HenningMakholm I haven't had much of a chance to chat. Have a good week, or sneak back :-)
 
Thanks. Later.
 
2:30 AM
I finally removed the codecogs link from my profile and replaced it with a link to my answer to Should chat have TeX support?
 
I got an Outspoken badge for telling someone to shut it :)
I doubt it will look good in my CV :D
 
but you shutted Skulpatrol
 
So, how's it going in the US, @Ilya?
 
did I? :)
 
@tb odd. just encountered, that bottles with 'pure Iceland water' in our hotel rooms which they change every day are 5 dollars each and it will be included in the final price at the checkout. That's not big money, but that's just odd
 
2:46 AM
@AlexeiAverchenko looks like it
 
also, there is a cool pool, but I haven't brought my swimming shorts. So, I bought it here - but the only shop around is Disney Land souvenirs, so there is Mickey on my shorts. Very small Mickey fortunately
 
@Ilya Does such a bottle contain a gallon? Anyway, why do they serve Iceland water? Don't they have water themselves?
 
the conference will start tomorrow, but I've already picked up couple of professors
@tb no, 1/3 of gallon aka liter. They don't have pure water apprently
 
now I feel guilty :(
 
I bought cigarretes here (at the Disney Land shop again :D ) for \$10 (in NL they are 5 euros and I though it's pretty much). When I told this thing them, they argued that in Norway (why Norway?) it's \$15 and I shouldn't complain
 
2:49 AM
@Ilya use \$
 
@tb ah, you MathJax guys ))
 
@Ilya These prices are just ridiculous...
 
picking up professors for the first time in your life is like picking up girls: I spent 15 minutes today waiting for him to look at me :D
 
@AlexeiAverchenko Well, it wasn't only you, so I wouldn't feel guilty. And SP talked a lot after your order...
 
@tb oh yes. Arguing as well. Sorry - I have to improve my presentation speech so see you later
@Alex: hi and bye. Moscow's stuff really made be a bit more happy. And I recalled how cool guy is Parfenoff
 
2:54 AM
@Ilya Good luck with your presentation!
 
@tb I can imagine :)
 
@tb thank you )
 
good luck!
 
@Ilya I feel embarrassed just the same :-)
 
@robjohn was the only shop (
@AlexeiAverchenko thanks
 
3:06 AM
@Ilya I know.
 
@robjohn I hope you don't mind about my impression - I will find things to complain about in the Netherlands and Russia as well (especially in the latter)
 
@Ilya I don't mind. Where is your conference?
 
Orlando, FL
they asked me not to swim in lakes since there can be alligators
 
@Ilya At Disney World?
 
@robjohn aha, our hotel is very close to it
 
3:11 AM
@Ilya But they still only had Mouse shorts. :-(
 
@robjohn better than with Shrek
he is from Dreamworks though
 
@Ilya Ouch, yes!
 
I would prefer Donald
I liked him most
 
@Ilya I would prefer the Wizard Mickey from Fantasia.
 
ok, I'll try to rehearse again
 
3:15 AM
I have a cel of that from the movie.
 
3:30 AM
@robjohn you should like it then
15 minutes, just in time. I will reduce couple of slides anyway now
 
@Ilya What is the topic of your talk?
 
probabilistic infinite-time horizon properties (safety, reachability etc.)
analytical solution when it's possible and precise numerical computations
namely, how much iterations should one make to be sure that he is epsilon-close to the precise solution
 
@Ilya That sounds interesting, really.
 
@Rob: indeed? if we find a way for you to safely share your e-mail, I would send you my presentation
I will go smoke. that's my first serious conference presentation so I'm a bit nervous
 
Relax, Ilya. And good luck. :)
Breathe deeply.
 
3:41 AM
and remember that smoking causes lung cancer ;)
 
@JM: thanks ) I will breathe deeply at the presentation
@AlexeiAverchenko living close to chemical plant too
 
@Ilya touche :)
 
also, my roommate is snoring like a devil so I used ear plugs and two pillows up my head last night
after 10 hours in a plane it helped
 
@Ilya That sucks.
 
@Ilya you could spill hot coffee on him to wake him up. accidentally.
:)
 
3:49 AM
@AlexeiAverchenko problem is that those who snore have the tendency to wake up and then fall asleep again very quickly. While you, who want to sleep, hear them building up their breathing towards cutting down a jungle, are too nervous to fall asleep...
 
Right. Snorers tend to be light sleepers. Any benefit you get from sudden waking will be fleetingly short.
 
@Ilya If you check out my posts on sci.math, you would get my email
 
@Ilya The prices are intended to be ridiculous. It's a theme park, not a supermarket... ;)
@robjohn I'm friggin' jealous. If you don't mind, could you tell the story of how you got that cel?
 
@JM I just knew someone who worked for Disney and got lucky.
 
That thing's got a high selling price nowadays. But still, to me, it's something priceless...
 
4:12 AM
@robjohn ok, I will check it out
@JM well, talking about cigarettes - in NL they are of the same price everywhere where they sell it. In Russian we have different prices in supermarkets and say night clubs, but then some years ago we had a law that there should be a maximal price for each brand of cigarettes and now they are of the same price everywhere too
 
@tb he just do not know that we're not the public
 
4:37 AM
@Ilya young Pierre de might want to contemplate a triangular spike, for example.
 
Ilya, how are you doing?
 
@Srivatsan Since you like Gerry's comments
 
@tb :=)
Why is 17% a record though?
 
@Srivatsan check the previous posts. But it is a horribly low non-zero accept rate: $\color{red}{0\ \%} =$ I don't know that/how I should accept answers. $\color{grey}{17\ \%} =$ I know how to accept but the answers I got so far don't satisfy me.
 
@tb I see. I agree that 17% is low, I thought it might be higher than other some other users.
But may be not.
:2686623 Indeed, perhaps the OP stopped accepting because they found the answers "lacking in substance". =)
 
4:52 AM
@Srivatsan what I said before must have been wrong.
 
@tb Ok, got to leave
See you tomorrow.
 
@Srivatsan See you Srivatsan!
 
5:12 AM
@tb Yeah, no idea where he got the notion...
 
 
1 hour later…
6:22 AM
Top of the morrow to you.
 
6:33 AM
anyone around?
 
@SidRaval yes.
Morning, @Asaf
 
anyone familiar with modular forms?
 
@tb How'd you sleep tb? ;-)
 
@AsafKaragila A little, not much. Twice about an hour.
 
@SidRaval Why? You want to prove Fermat's Last Theorem?
 
6:34 AM
no :)
 
@tb Had nightmares about Japgore movies?
 
@SidRaval Only with the very basics.
@AsafKaragila No, I hate that stuff, but I didn't read too closely.
 
@tb Oh, good.
 
I want to take an introductory course in modular forms next semester and I'm trying to figure out what kind of math to brush up on. We're using the textbook "A first course in modular forms" by Diamond.
I assume algebra/complex analysis, but I'm looking for a bit more direction than that.
any guidance?
 
I could probably give you advice if you were asking about set theory. Not about these things.
 
6:38 AM
is this an acceptable question to ask on the site?
 
Half-half. You could phrase it in a way it would be okay - but flat out asking would probably get closed.
 
ok. i mean to flesh it out a bit more, and give my background, etc. I'll give it a go.
 
is for you, I'd give it a quick search to see if the question was covered before as well.
 
Then I would say yes. There were quite a few questions on learning and roadmaps for some more advanced topics. Try to be clear on your background. You certainly mentioned the most important topics.
 
thanks guys :)
 
6:43 AM
@SidRaval Remember: the more specific you are the easier it is for people to be of help: next semester can mean February or it can mean May. That makes a bit of a difference in terms of time you have for brushing up.
 
true. I'll make it precise.
 
@SidRaval One more thing: in the preface of that book there's certainly a short note on prerequisites. What do you want to know beyond that?
 
@tb Well, the prerequisites basically say advanced undergraduate algebra and complex analysis, which I have ostensibly had, though a couple years ago; so I'm trying to figure out more specifically what algebra to brush up on, and what complex analysis to brush up on. A friend says the complex is mostly in the background and the algebra is more important; and it seems group theory is more important than ring theory
but things like G-modules seem to come up and I'm trying to figure out what I can learn along the way and what I'll need to know very well before approaching the book
 
Mornin' @Matt
 
i dunno, the more I think about it the more my question seems ill-formed, so I may hold off
 
6:53 AM
Hey @AsafKaragila : ) (I'm only half awake)
 
im in my first semester of grad school and was a little bored this semester so I'm trying to do more next semester, but I don't wanna get in over my head
 
@Matt Have some beer. It'll wake you up good.
 
@AsafKaragila I quit drinking.
 
@Matt That's what they all say.
 
Don't mention alcohol, I had a terrible night.
The reason I have to get up is to take a short test.
 
6:55 AM
@Matt What sort of test?
 
@AsafKaragila A Futile Attempts multiple choice test. They give you ten minutes to answer 4-5 questions. Multiple answers can be right and if you miss one you lose all the points. Or something like that.
Doesn't sound too bad but it wigs me out.
 
Ah, I hate these tests.
We call this scoring method "Siberian", because the score can get as low as -40 ;-)
 
No, here it's bounded from below by 0. But that doesn't make it much better.
 
Yeah, my probability professor was known for these sort of tests. The year before I took the course they complained about it to the university so when I took the course you could submit an empty exam and get like 25-30 points and the score would go below that if needed. It was a clever trick on his side.
 
@SidRaval I understand. I had a short look at the book. I'm sure you'll be able to frame this into a good question. I was just intending to make sure that you didn't overlook the obvious things to check. Unfortunately I lack the expertise to say anything sensible on your specific question.
@Matt Good morning, and good luck at that test!
 
7:02 AM
Thanks.
 
Yeah. Remember what the dormouse said: feed your head.
 
Never heard that before : )
 
You clearly don't watch enough Futurama, or listen to the two decent songs of Jefferson Airplane.
 
I don't like Futurama.
 
This conversation is over.
 
7:04 AM
I only kind of liked American Dad, seasons 1 and 2.
 
You are clearly not a real person, since it is impossible to dislike Futurama.
 
Possibly season 3.
I didn't say I disliked it.
I just don't want to use any of my time to watch it because it doesn't amuse me enough : )
 
It has sooooo many math references. Heck, they even proved a theorem about permutations for the sole purpose of making an episode about it!!
 
Seriously? I didn't know that.
Anyway: I have to go. See you guys later! (I might force you to do some forcing later this week, or next.)
 
7:40 AM
@Matt Way to alienate yourself from the König ;-)
 
QED
7:52 AM
How long until ALL questions of the form "calculate a^b mod c" have been posted?
oh wait there's infinitely many natural numbers, ignore that
 
QED
8:29 AM
I really dislike comments like "see my answer for a more concise way of viewing this - which generalizes widely"
on the other hand.. he posts such good math..
 
8:57 AM
I have a formatting/display problem. The characters seems to be everywhere and then i click the ? in yellow circle for less info and it comes back to normal. But then it reverts back if i come back to the page.
 
QED
cool avatar
 
Thanks. Cool name back at you...
 
QED
sorry but I don't have a clue what you mean about formatting
 
I will post the screenshot when it happens some other day...too mate here.. retiring in my chambers now :)
*late
 
QED
bye
 
9:52 AM
It's too bad she won't live, but then again... who does?
 
@AsafKaragila pardon? who won't live?
 
@robjohn Rachael. And possibly Deckard too.
 
@AsafKaragila Ah, you watching Brade Runner....
 
@robjohn No... I'm just remembering the magnificent ending.
I wish they would make more good PKD based movies.
Blade Runner was awesome, Total Recall was great, and I just loved A Scanner Darkly.
 
@AsafKaragila what bad PKD movies have they made?
 
10:01 AM
@robjohn Minority Report was so-so, I did not hear good things about Screamers or its sequel, and just from their descriptions I would probably avoid Paycheck, Next and Impostor.
It takes a genius to engineer a movie which leaves you with huge open questions. Most people think "Oh, the audience wants answers. We need closed endings."
There are few willing to leave things open, but it's never "Was Roy Deckard a replicant?" sort of issues.
Or like in Total Recall that you have no idea if it's real or not...
 
@AsafKaragila I enjoyed Paycheck
 
As a movie, or as a philosophical mind boggler?
 
@AsafKaragila quite.
 
QED
A Scanner Darkly was interesting with the rotoscoping
 
@AsafKaragila both, but perhaps not as much as a philosophical event.
 
10:03 AM
@QED I agree. It added greatly to the effect. Also the fact that Keanu Reeves is not the best talker helped a lot, gave the brain-damaged-empty-hull-of-a-man feel to it.
 
@QED I don't think I've seen that one.
 
QED
yes
 
I thoroughly enjoyed ASD. I think that it may be Keanu Reeves deepest role so far.
 
QED
i liked Keanu in the matrix lol
 
"This has been a story about people who were punished entirely too much for what they did. I loved them all."
It's great that they kept that part at the ending.
 
QED
10:06 AM
you pick out some great quotes
 
"In memoriam. These were comrades whom I had; there are no better. They remain in my mind, and the enemy will never be forgive. The "Enemy" was their mistake in playing. Let them play again, in some other way, and let them be happy."
@QED It's easy when there are so many of them.
 
QED
I don't think people should be starring such bad comments
people complaining about others is fine but it's not exactly worth saving?
 
Well. I can remove the stars, but that would be totally totalitarian of me.
 
QED
yeah I'm not saying you should do that
I just don't really get why something like "shut it" directed at a single person is starred
I guess a lot of people feel the same way or something
 
Yeah. I think that you are right. A lot of people feel this way.
 
QED
10:17 AM
I should finish studying Abels theorem today
 
I should get ready and head out to Jerusalem soon.
 
QED
I like that guy who sings about Jerusalem
Matisyahu
 
I am familiar with his name, not with his work though. I don't like reggae very much.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:30 AM
Sleepy : (
@AsafKaragila A Scanner Darkly? Seriously?
 
QED
11:47 AM
hi
@Matt, you didn't like it?
 
@QED Not at all. It bored me.
 
QED
ok
 
I only remember that I thought the end was surprising but now I'm not sure whether it was Scanner Darkly or something else.
 
QED
what do you like?
 
thinking
 
11:58 AM
Fun. Wifi bus.
You don't like Futurama Matt. I am no longer considering your opinion as a tasteful one.
 
@QED Not necessarily in this order: Fight Club, Spirited Away, BinJip, Ikiru, The Incredibles, Limitless, ...
 
Bergman stuff?
 
QED
Hadn't heard of Ikiru or BinJip.. interesting
 
@AsafKaragila I've only seen Persona and I think I didn't like it too much.
 
I see. As I said, not a very tasteful opinion about movies. :-)
 
12:04 PM
@QED What about you?
@AsafKaragila So you're a Bergman fan?
 
I did enjoy several of his works.
I also consider The Seventh Seal one of the best movies ever.
 
QED
I have The Seventh Seal
thats excellent
 
Cool, thanks for the recommendation : ) We kind of ran out of good films to watch.
 
QED, I see that we have a similar taste in movies.
Matt, you are likely to find it boring. Just be forewarned.
 
Ok.
 
QED
12:08 PM
and I like Werner Herzog and Peter Greenaway
 
Have you seen Aguirre, Zorn der Gottens?
 
QED
although I have only seen a few
 
@AsafKaragila Yes. Was good.
 
Great movie.
 
To continue my list: Blade Runner, Alien, Total Recall, ...
 
12:10 PM
Klaus Kinski was great.
I enjoyed Sergio Leone's westerns by the way. Especially Once Upon A Time In The West.
 
Never heard of. Wow, outrageous, it's got 8.8 on imdb.
 
Charles Bronson in the manliest role ever to appear on screen.
"You brought two too many."
 
He might have to submit his homework today.
Well. We are approaching Jerusalem, so I soon have to get off the bus. Be seeing you.
 
Be seeing you : )
 
12:23 PM
@AsafKaragila Have fun. How long are you going to be there?
 
Going to have a lie down and compensate for sleep deprivation. Bbl
PS: Bourne Trilogy is my absolute favourite, how could I forget.
 
1:03 PM
@JM: I hope you don't mind that I answered this question since your comment was pretty close to my answer.
 
1:44 PM
"Death by algebra - a final exam experience", by The Chaz. Now showing in room 307 of the engineering building.
 
Do we have enough 3k+ users here to close and re-open this question?
 
2:00 PM
@tb why do we want to close and re-open?
 
@robjohn there are 4 votes to close as not a real question that were cast before the question was clarified. Since there are a few users that don't look too closely before voting to close the idea was to remove that dangling sword over this question.
 
okay, I'll bite
@tb Now, that we've voted to close, can we vote again to open?
 
@robjohn yes, I just cast my vote to reopen.
 
@tb So have I :-)
 
Okay, two more votes needed :)
 
2:25 PM
One more paramedic needed for reviving that question.
 
Done.
 
@JM good to know that the penalty for closing as off-topic is removed after the question is re-opened.
 
Yeah, it was thoughtful of the SE guys...
@robjohn I most certainly don't. I upvoted your answer. :)
 

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