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12:00 AM
@AsafKaragila A global setting? How stupid.
 
Why don't you show up on time the first day and figure out how things work? =) @Jonas
 
@tb Right, I'll just go at 9 and ask him.
Because that is already in 8 hours.
 
@JonasTeuwen Oh, I am most certain it is a local thing; I doubt they will change it for a local community though.
 
@AsafKaragila Not sure. Maybe we should see how they respond first. And now I've got to run - I'm already a little late for a department meeting.
 
Why? That sounds very stupid.
@MikeSpivey Bye!
 
12:01 AM
Ah. Well, good bye :-)
@JonasTeuwen And flooding our site with probably-duplicated questions is reallllly smart. :-P
 
Bye Mike
 
@AsafKaragila True that.
 
Almost ready to submit my Ph.D. application. Just need some confirmation on scholarship stuff...
 
Where will you submit it to?
 
Well, by golly. I have to wake up in 5 hours. I'll see you folks later.
 
12:04 AM
Some terrible place called BOGS.
If they don't manage to lose it, then it will go to the maths department in Cambridge.
 
@AsafKaragila Bye!
Blimey!
 
Aye, but those are the sacrifices one makes for science.
Today someone pointed out to me that my employment prospects may be quite slim if I do go down the topos theory path.
 
Well, as long as you know what you're getting into.
 
I'm getting tired of this nonsense. If people don't want to allow me to judge myself if I want to post a comment or an answer, I'll quit.
 
There will be always use for people that pick up the trash. So don't worry.
 
12:08 AM
I think also that Katz' essay is very predicated on the American system where PhD students are "customers" rather than employees of the university.
 
@tb I'm not sure if I understand totally. Do you also mean people that ask you to convert a comment into an answer?
 
In the European system you can get paid to do some (hopefully interesting) research for a few years, and then get a real career later if you're not immediately getting overwhelmed by tenure-track offers.
 
The overwhelming will probably not happen too quickly. At least not here.
 
I don't understand what the whole fuzz is about. If there's nothing much to say there's nothing much to say, basta.
 
I'll grant that he's a (relative) newbie.
 
12:10 AM
@Jonas @Henning Really? I had the impression that Europe had just as much of an overflow of highly-qualified graduates as the US.
 
As far as I'm concerned the fuzz is that a question without an answer looks like it's unanswered, which is untidy and avoidably difficult to navigate.
 
On the other hand, I go by gut feel: I'll write answers only if they pass my internal standards...
 
I have sometimes asked for people to convert a comment into an answer when it answered my question.
 
@ZhenLin Sure, but since you get paid a salary while studying it's not as if you'll emerge with the PhD deeper indebted than when you got your master's.
Thus the "get a real career later" thing.
 
Ah... in Europe proper perhaps. But I'm not sure about Britain...
 
12:13 AM
For the present purposes "Europe" is a (not necessarily proper) superset of {Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland}.
 
I wonder why... :D
 
Belgium also has salaries instead of scholarships. It is better paid than I am in NL.
 
Should have learned French instead of Japanese, perhaps...
 
You could learn it quickly enough I suppose.
 
You shouldn't have much trouble. Chinese and French are intrinsically nasal...
 
12:15 AM
Ha what?
Hokkien, perhaps. But most varieties of Chinese don't have nasal vowels.
 
Of course the first step of getting a real career after a PhD can be a bit iffy. You'll need to find an employer who you can convince you're not bringing your own portable ivory tower into the workplace.
 
(okay, at least a number of Chinese dialects)
 
I don't think that you should have something as "French" as a barrier.
 
Anyway, sleep, and then 9am Elliptic Curves (followed by 10am Local Fields, 11am Algebraic Topology, 12pm Category Theory, 2pm Category Theory seminar...)
 
12:19 AM
To put things into perspective... the gal who posted that meta question was one of that group hired by SE to help promote SE sites.
So probably a product of one of their brainstorming sessions...
 
@ZhenLin Good night! :).
 
12:31 AM
@Srivatsan (old comment) here is a bona fide example.
 
Can anybody with close votes available check this and see if my proposed dupe is right on the nose?
 
@JM I agree.
 
Apparently we are going to need the chatroom more these days to bring attention to questions/answers. Our current rate's crazy fast...
 
While we're at it: I suggest to close this old question the new answers are much more elaborate than my hint.
 
12:46 AM
Added my close vote. Now only the executioner is needed...
 
THWACK!
Anyone know what natural logic is? Google finds mostly references to specialized logics for natural language processing, which is probably not relevant here.
 
It is.
 
1:03 AM
Does anyone know how many questions per day we have? Somewhere between 150-200, I guess. Is it possible to see those statistics somewhere?
 
data.SE?
A smart query could give you the result.
But I'm going to bed. Good night guys!
 
@Jonas: good night and have an excellent start!
 
Thanks! :).
 
Good luck Jonas!
 
Going to page n of the newest-question list with k questions per page will give you the time it takes for nk questions to be asked...
 
1:07 AM
Seen this?
 
Oh, that's even easier.
 
@JM No I haven't, thanks!
 
1:28 AM
Off for now. Later.
 
1:48 AM
Looks like I just missed Jonas.
and JM
 
 
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5:13 AM
I have a quick question about Riemann surfaces. Why are chart transitions symmetric? That is, if phi_1 compose phi_2^(-1) is holomorphic, why is phi_2 compose phi_1^(-1) holomorphic?
Is it just because they are homeomorphism, so the derivative is nonzero, and the inverse of a holomorphic functions with nonzero derivative is homomorphic?
 
@Potato: that's exactly the point, yes.
 
Could you refresh my memory on why holomorphic chart transitions necessarily have nonzero derivatives in their domain? I keep thinking of the inverse function theorem, but that's the converse...
err, holomorphic homeomorhpisms
 
If the derivative vanishes at point then your function is not injective there: You can write f(z) - f(z_0) = (z-z_0)^n g(z) with g(z_0) \neq 0. Now g admits an n-th root, so f(z) - f(z_0) = h(z)^n for some function. Now remember that z -> z^n is not injective in any neighborhood of 0.
 
(@tb If it isn't too much trouble, please take a look at this when you are free and comment. =))
 
Indeed, thank you.
 
5:31 AM
@Srivatsan: I'll have a look in a moment.
 
@tb Thanks.
 
Seems that while I was sleeping the community stood up and said "Oh shut up." to the SE guys. :-D
 
@t.b. Consider this other approach, just for kicks. Let our transition function be T. Let S be its inverse. S(T(z))=z, so S'(T(z))T'(z)=1, and T'(z)/neq 0.
 
@Potato: but aren't you assuming that S is holomorphic already by differentiating it?
 
oh hmm
indeed
 
5:38 AM
However, this can be made into a proof by showing that 1/T'(z) is in fact the derivative of S at the point T(z). Note that this is exactly how the inverse function theorem is proved.
 
Haha, this was exactly an exercise in Rudin.
 
5:53 AM
@Srivatsan: neat! Looks fine to me.
(and pretty optimal)
 
Thanks.
 
Ah well =)
I was thinking that the OP was having in mind the limit (1+x)^{1/x} as x -> 0.
Making the substitution y = 1/x, y goes to either +infty or -infty, depending on whether x -> 0+ or 0-.
Of course, this needs extra work to establish that the limit exists, but at least this argument is correct.
The accepted answer claiming that n -> infty is the same as n -> minus infty is downright harmful.
 
Well, there are already two votes to delete it, I hope somebody will cast a third one soon, as the answerer is obviously oblivious to criticism.
 
We can delete accepted answers without the OP's consent?
 
6:04 AM
I don't know but I think so. In any case I could cast a vote. It takes three votes by non-mods for deletion of answers. It happens very rarely, but it happens.
 
6:19 AM
continuous R \to R functions are exactly those that commute with limits
this scares me
in my mind category theory now subsumed analysis 0_o
 
6:57 AM
@AlexeiAverchenko: Seen this?
 
@tb yes :)
still freaks me out :)
 
7:47 AM
@tb good foggy morning. I woke up too late and cannot see Pedja's answer now, I guess he deleted it because of downvotes. For the first time I see such situation with an accepted answer
 
@Gortaur: It was deleted for him by some high-rep users. He couldn't have deleted it himself because you can't delete accepted answers. It is funny to see a deleted answer with a green check mark.
(the answer was at -6 at the end).
 
.'''' ..''' ...'' ....' .....
yep, answer and response by Pedja - they were a bit strange
 
@Gortaur 12345 in Morse code?
 
rather how my fingers were drumming on the table
the equivalent is ololo but in English it still has relation to lol root
I need some strong tea to finally wake up and then I will go, so see you later, @tb
 
See you.
 
8:02 AM
can i have a hint, please?
what's the trick with the ham sandwich theorem?
 
Just ask...
 
i'm supposed to use borsuk-ulam
but it seems like i have to eliminate one of the sets to divide
can i do it just by shifting the origin to its center?
 
@Alexei ботанику привет от ботаника
 
i'm not sure if it's so
and also unsure how to prove it if it is :)
@Gortaur тебя дезинформировали, я математик :)
 
@Alexei эй ботаник, я твой сэндвыч-теорема на завтрак ел, дом-труба шатал
 
8:07 AM
can i silence people? :)
 
I'm not sure what you mean by eliminating. For each x in S^(n-1) you can choose a hyperplane that halves the volume of the nth set. Do this in such a way that the hyperplane depends continuously on x. Now associate the sum of volumes of the parts of the n-1 other sets that lie on the positive side of that hyperplane. This gives you a continuous function on S^(n-1).
Sorry, not the sum: the (n-1)-vector consisting of the volumes of the parts on the positive side.
 
8:30 AM
oh, I got it!
you just use compactness!
move the hyperplane in some direction not lying on it
eventually it will be zero by MVT
thanks!
 
Sounds right.
 
i got to the other part by myself :)
it's easy but i couldn't think of a function that captures all n guys
so i recalled the n = 2 version and it hit me i gotta find a way of reducing their numbers
 
I see. Now, can you finish off?
 
i already did (in my mind) :)
 
so?
what's the argument?
 
8:33 AM
f_i = \mu(A_i^+) - \mu(A_i^-)
where A_i^+ and A_i^- are the parts of the set lying on the positive and negative sides (respectively) of the hyperplane we picked for the given direction
 
So I try to be a good employee on my first working day... I arrive at 8:50. Nobody's here. Not even now.
3
 
@Jonas: that was bound to happen :)
 
by borsuk-ulam there exists a point x \in S^{n-1} such that f(x) = f(-x)
but because the planes associated to x and -x only differ in orientation, we have f(x) = -f(x)
so f(x) = 0
q.e.d.
no
only n-th one is zero
but now we proved that 1, \ldots, n-1-th ones are also zero with the appropriate choice of the direction
hyperplanes are associated to unit-length vectors via the inner product, of course
 
Oh, I see. Slightly different than what I had in mind, but yes, this works. Alternatively just take f_i(x) = \mu(A_i^+) then for -x you get the volume of the other part of A_i. Now antipodal points for which f(x) = f(-x) are exactly the points where both halves coincide in size.
 
and this choice of f is just a trick that exploits the cover of RP^{n-1} by S^{n-1}
moduli spaces in action!
 
8:39 AM
if you wish to put it this way, yes :)
 
turns out they ARE a very useful way of thinking about problems
 
Holy crap monkeys! Now the administration sends me an e-mail that I cannot do my final presentation because not all my grades are known! Damn professors.
 
"so i have to utilize borsuk-ulam... hm... i can parametrize hyperplanes by points in RP^{n-1}, but S^{n-1} is only a double covering of this thing... but i can mark the planes and exploit this later... orientation!"
my rough thought process :D
of course, I knew n = 2 version very well (it's a very nice puzzle in itself) so it wasn't a stroke of a genius or something :D
 
@JonasTeuwen Oh, shoot. So, when can you do it?
 
I will do it on the date as planned. I will not "suffer" because a semi-fool didn't do his job properly.
 
8:43 AM
@JonasTeuwen this reminds me... i have to file my exams
@JonasTeuwen quasi-fool? :)
 
Yes, he's my boss.
 
9:30 AM
@JonasTeuwen it's a pity. and this is even sad
will he be your boss at your PhD track?
 
0
Q: $1+x+x^3+x^4$ is not irreducible for any field

user774025How can we show that the polynomial $f(x)=1+x+x^3+x^4$ is not irreducible over any field?

what a nice question :)
 
@Alexei: you think so?
 
this one is even nicer:
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Q: Sum of two divergent = divergent?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW$f(x)$ and $g(x)$ are positive nondecreasing functions. $\sum 1/f(n)$ diverges, so does $\sum 1/g(n)$. (Why) must the sum $\sum 1/(g(n)+f(n))$ diverge ?

 
just seen it. boring
 
i find it funny if nothing else :)
actually, it turned out to be ok
 
9:53 AM
@Alexei - keep homotoping!
liked this :D
 
Hm. How come a blatantly wrong answer receives 4 upvotes?
 
10:11 AM
@Gortaur No he is the head of the group. But he is nice. He immediately arranged it and all is fine :-).
 
Good to hear.
Seems to be one of those problems where it is very easy to find divergent majorizing series and convergent minorizing series...
 
@tb are you talking about WW<...>W problem?
 
Yes. But I think this is a general gift I have: I'm pretty good at finding those.
 
@tb divergent majorizing series and convergent minorizing series?
 
Exactly.
 
10:26 AM
don't be sad, but I don't think you're the only one )
btw, I think that Florian just missed that point and didn't put the answer in Pedja's style
 
He just said so.
 
him I do beleive
 
Why wouldn't you?
 
I'm a bit suspicious to some members. not to him as I've said
 
I think the overwhelming majority is inclined to admit having made mistakes and act accordingly.
 
10:35 AM
I agree with you
 
10:55 AM
Hah.
Now all is fine. I even got my employee card right after: i.imgur.com/7KwvF.png
 
Nice, congratulations, yet again!
Does Prove\Disprove mean prove without disproving?
Reminds me of the professor who asks: Is the following problem correct? ... If it is correct, suggest proofs. If it is not, change it so that it becomes true.
 
@Gortaur Wow, that was such a long time ago! :D
 
11:13 AM
@tb: could you apply your gift to the problem when one consider series of min{1/f(n),1/g(n)}? this is sufficient for the problem of sum but not necessary. I cannot find a counterexample
 
@tb To me, it means prove if true, find a counterexample if not.
 
@robjohn sure, to me too :)
 
Okay. I wasn't sure if you were asking or what.
 
It was a silly joke. Read A \ B as A without B.
 
11:26 AM
Ah, I thought you meant Prove/Disprove and mistyped the \
 
have to delete all the crome's settings to see again all formulas
 
Does Chrome kill MathJax?
 
@Gortaur: Already tried something less drastic, like shift-refresh, emptying cache and the like?
 
@robjohn I killed chrome
 
@Gortaur That wasn't because of the suggestions I made, was it?
 
11:29 AM
@tb aha, no result ( so I've reinstalled chrome with killing all memory about the last version
 
@tb pretty much the same suggestions :-)
 
@robjohn nope
 
@Gortaur I forget all what I had to add to get MathJax to work in Firefox.
fonts at least, I think.
 
anyway, I had recently troubles with my login so the age of last chrome was about 2-3 weeks
nothing special
 
@robjohn Yes, and I think that's it. Lion has the stix fonts installed, but there seem to be some problems. I'm not sure if they've been resolved by now.
 
12:05 PM
0
Q: Why is $n\choose k$ periodic modulo $p$ with period $p^e$?

Gadi AGiven some integer $k$, define the sequence $a_n={n\choose k}$. Claim: $a_n$ is periodic modulo a prime $p$ with the period being the least power $p^e$ of $p$ such that $k<p^e$. In other words, $a_{n+p^e}\equiv a_{n} (\text{mod } p)$. But the period $p^e$ is smaller than I'd have expected (it...

is e some number-theory constant different from 2.7.... ?
 
@tb Thanks :).
Yes, the meta thread will probably solve the problems. You can right-click on a formula to see which fonts are used (local or from the server).
 
QED
12:27 PM
@Gortaur, e is defined as some natural number given k and n
 
QED
I didn't like the question much
It's worded oddly
$\sqrt{2}$
ah no latex here
 
12:45 PM
@Gortaur, can you make that proof a "rigorous" one, please? (title)
 
@tb done, thanks. do you have any ideas? question seems to be so simple, but the only idea I have is to relate the construction of the canonical event space to the space of trajectories of \xi
 
@Gortaur: no I haven't had time to think about it. I'm quite busy otherwise.
 
@tb nevermind
 
@Gortaur, did you just change your avatar? 0_o
 
@AlexeiAverchenko ?
 
1:00 PM
you had an orangy one before
 
with the eye?
 
QED
@Alexei, I like yours
that was a fun show
 
@Gortaur no, just plain orange
@QED still is ^__^
 
QED
hehe
 
@AlexeiAverchenko like this?
 
1:14 PM
@Gortaur no-no, just some random yellowish orange mess
 
@AlexeiAverchenko then no, smth with your eyes apparently
 
1:48 PM
@Gortaur i know what i saw, ok?
but nevermind
 
@Alexei: you just called my gravatar orangy and want me to be calm? )
 
@Gortaur well... yes
i posted a soft question btw
 
2:16 PM
@AlexeiAverchenko QED looks purple, almost a mauve.
at least to me.
@Gortaur It is a duskier shade of orange than mine.
 
2:27 PM
I have been thinking of changing my color...
but there are so few in this shade, that it stands out. So I may not.
Interesting. Your gravatar doesn't get moved to the front of the queue for starring a comment.
 
Hmm. Stein in harmonic analysis does H^p on R^d. In the paper H^p spaces of several variables they do this on R^d x (0, infty). In another one they do this on the upper half plane in the complex plane. Are these virtually all the same? In the R^d case they convolve with some function depending on t.
Too much to read!
Hmm u(. , t) "=" P_t * u.
Then t->0. Right. I see.
 
I always think of it in R^dx(0,\infty). Where does he do it on R^d?
 
2:43 PM
The Harmonic analysis book. Page 87.
 
2:56 PM
@robjohn You have that book?
I have asked about my working hours. He said I should figure out for myself what works best. But if I decide to have a nice bike trip in the summer during office hours and I get hit by a car some people may ask questions. :D.
 
@JonasTeuwen congrats, I have the same schedule
 
Nice.
 
first days I tried to ask my supervisor if I can come later someday etc. and he told me that whenever we have no meeting he don't care much
though I don't like working from home (which is not my home and I cannot even put screws in the wall, arghhh) so I'm coming to uni from Mon to Fri, which also increases enjoying Friday nights )
 
3:13 PM
Yes. If I stay home I would just stay in bed =).
 
3:25 PM
@JonasTeuwen It's the big book that came out a few years ago?
 
@robjohn Yes in 1993.
 
Yes, I just pulled it down from the bookshelf. I see that "a few years ago" is 1993 :-)
 
Yeah, I figured :-).
 
The other Stein books I have are from the 1970's or before.
At least before I was a grad student.
 
Those are nice books.
 
3:31 PM
Indeed
Timothy Murphy, who probably wrote most of Harmonic Analysis, was a few years behind me. He was there for my last couple of years.
 
Why is his name then not on the cover?
 
It may have been Tim's class notes that were used.
 
Must have been a great class. Here the harmonic analysis class is quite... boring.
 
You know how things are when a grad student and a seasoned prof write something
 
Not yet :).
 
3:33 PM
The big name gets the billboard.
 
(So did you find the page? I wonder why there are seemingly two definitions.)
I'll see if you have something to say about that later :). I'm now going home. Bye!
 
could anybody tell me the following: I've found a possible typo in one journal paper from 2009. shall I report it to them? the typo is: talking about CDFs (cumulative distribution functions) the author writes PDF (usually probability density function)
 
@Gortaur : was that a real question ?
2-d periodic
 
@Jonas how did you day go? // See you, Jonas.
 
@RajeshD what do you mean?
 
3:44 PM
@JonasTeuwen See you when you get home :-)
 
there is nothing in it......just saying 'f' is a function and asking to prove it is periodic....no information at all........i wonder how one could write something like that
 
@RajeshD Which question? // This one: math.stackexchange.com/questions/82381/…?
 
it has even got an upvote
1
Q: Periodicity of a 2-D signal

cnn lakshmenThis was my past year question. Question: How to prove that f(x,y) = f(x+M,y) = f(x,y+N) = f(x+M,y+N)? where f is a 2-D Signal. I am not sure how to prove this.. Need some help...

yes @Sri
 
@RajeshD I have no idea how he dared to write like that ) he should be a very bad guy
 
and got an upvote
he is doin well
 
3:48 PM
@Gortaur Your title is a bit too generic, don't you think?
 
@RajeshD from another bad guy apparently. there are bunch of them on MSE
@Srivatsan: good morning
 
'Evening, @Gortaur
 
@Srivatsan now you like it?
1
Q: Rigorous proof of a simple fact dealing with event space in probability theory

GortaurLet $Z$ be a Markov process on $\mathbb R$ given in the form $Z_{n+1} = f(Z_n,\xi_n)$ where $\xi_n$ is a sequence of iid real-valued random variables. The canonical space of $Z$ is the space of trajectories given by $$ \Omega = \mathbb R^{\mathbb N_0} = \{\omega:\omega = (Z_0,Z_1,...,Z_n,...)\}...

 
Looks better to me
Thanks ;)
 
and I'm sorry for using the avatar which I gifted you
but now it comes randomly. in 1 week I will change my name and I guess avatar will change as well
 
3:51 PM
You are a bad person. MSE is full of people like you... =)
But you're right about the cool blue gravatar. It's a very soothing blue.
 
no doubts
<trigger launches>
*Don't speak
I know just what you're saying
So please stop explaining
Don't tell me cause it hurts*
 
A lovely blue, yes.
 
@Gortaur Are you planning to change your handle?
 
Someone just retracted their upvote of one of my answers. I wonder if they did so because I added an animation.
 
Ech. I wonder...
 
3:53 PM
@Srivatsan yeah, to my real name
 
@Gortaur No doubt ;-)
 
@rob: the first upvote was mine, BTW... :) you beat me by only a few seconds.
 
@JM Thanks :-) Sorry about that ;-)
 
@robjohn :-D (where D is a BIGBIG tongue)
oh no! it's a soldier in a helmet
=-\-D
 
@Gortaur Doing semaphore..
 
3:56 PM
@rob as a compensation please admit my upvote for the greatest cartoon movie I've seen for the last week
 
@Gortaur You don't see many movies, do you?
 
=))
 
@robjohn I'm trying to work our British accent by watching HP without subtitles. The last week I watched HP7: Deathly Hallows p.1; certainly in your movie there is much more action
 
HP ?
wonder what it is
 
@Gortaur I got the last one on Friday, but I haven't watched it at home yet.
Deathly Hallows pt 2
 

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