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12:33 AM
@EE18 Well, Bėzout's identity implies Euclid's lemma, which leads to the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic (that every natural number has a unique prime factorisation).
 
12:45 AM
@PM2Ring I think this is what I was thinking about!
I think my book went with Euclidean division algorithm implies FTA, and then got Euclid's Lemma as a corollary
So I See Thorgott's point about order of all this being arbitrary
 
1:08 AM
is any one good at differential equations here?
if $b_t(s)$ satisfies a pde where t is time and s is space
and you add up discrete space slices to obtain a function strictly of time and look at what happens at $t \to \infty$
I wonder if that has a differential equation intepretation
 
1:26 AM
How important is it to know elementary number theory for analysis?
I feel like there are a lot of facts out there in the ether which I don't know
Bezout, Chinese Remainder, Extended Euclid, and I feel like so many more
 
I figured out how to post 2 questions simultaneously without waiting the 40minutes
I conjecture that it works for $N$ simultaneous questions
implying that I could fill the entire front page
with all my questions
from my calculations there are 100 questions shown at any given time on the front page
Well I guess I will start writing
will I get banned?
I conjecture that 'no' I won't get banned
as it's just a loophole in the system
 
1:42 AM
@EE18 for analysis, none of these matter
 
OK, will not get sidetracked then
Will I guess leave them for some other study at another time
BTW Thorgott, what do you think the authors have in mind with the below. Exercise 6.3 was just that there are $n \choose k$ $k-element$ subsets of an $n$-element set, and Theorem 8.4 is the binomial theorem. Obviously putting the two together gives me $2^n = \sum_{k=0}^n n \choose k$ but I don't see how that gets me where they're suggesting. I was going to just start by induction but that doesn't seem like what they're suggesting?
 
 
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2:49 AM
so if I'm constructing a map from a quotient group to another quotient group, I'm mapping congruence classes to other congruence classes right
e.g. $f:\mathbb{Z}_{10}\to\mathbb{Z}_5$
defined by $f([x]_{10}) = [x]_{5}$
the kernel is $\{[0]_{10},[5]_{10}\}$ I think
how would one describe $SL_2(\mathbb{Q})$? Like $$\left\{A=\begin{bmatrix}a&b\\c&d\end{bmatrix}\bigg| a,b,c,d\in \mathbb{Q}, ad-bc=1 \text{ and }A^{-1}\in GL_2(\mathbb{Q})\right\}$$?
I guess I don't have to really write that since it's implied in the definition
w/e
 
3:05 AM
gl(V)= L(V,V), right?
L(V,V)= the set of all linear maps from V to V.
 
idunno
how bad does $A\in B \ni C$ look :D
when I'm too lazy to erase and rewrite $A,C \in B$
@XanderHenderson might smite me for that
 
@Obliv looks correct.
@Obliv A^{-1} has rational entries if A does. Moreover, since A A^{-1}= I, you also have det ( A^{-1})= 1 so actually A^{-1} is in SL_2.
 
oh ok
how do inverses work in $SL_2(\mathbb{Q}$? Like, if I wanna show $SL_2(\mathbb{Q})\subset GL_2(\mathbb{Q}$ I should show for $A,B \in SL_2(\mathbb{Q})$ that $AB^{-1} \in SL_2(\mathbb{Q})$ but it's matrix multiplication and addition in $\mathbb{Q}$
oh wait maybe this is a ring not a group?
anyway, this seems so trivial but I have to show it :\
 
3:20 AM
i don't mean to be annoying, but the details of this depend on how you have defined SL_2(Q). i would not assume that because there is a standard notation for that object, there is a single standard definition of it
 
isn't it just the set of 2x2 matrices with entries in $\mathbb{Q}$ that have det = 1 and invertible
 
i.e. your question is likely entirely about how to get it out of your definitions, and not just something you can ask someone who knows what SL_2(Q) is, because they don't know what you know, or are "allowed to use," about that object
obliv: that's one definition. is it your definition?
what do you know about determinants?
 
It's the definition on wiki and I just assume that's the only one I guess
 
(i also have bad news re: "it depends on how you have defined the thing" and determinants, but maybe we don't need to go there)
 
well probably, but isn't it typical to show $H \subset G$ via $ab^{-1} \in H$ for some $a,b \in H$?
to show H is a subgroup of G
 
3:24 AM
So if (V,+,.) is an n dimensional vector space over R, where . is scalar multiplication, then the vector space (V,+, p), where p is another scalar multiplication need not have dimension n right?
 
OK. it might help to preface a question contextualized like that with "i'm just reading stuff randomly on wikipedia and don't have any particular set of definitions in mind, or any particular limit on what i am allowed to use. if SL_2(Q) is defined as in [web page], [question]"
to answer your question, if you have something in SL_2(Q), it is (among other things) an invertible 2x2 matrix, and its inverse in the sense of the usual algebra of 2x2 matrices is also going to be in SL_2(Q)
you also seem to be maybe asking if SL_2(Q) is a subgroup of GL_2(Q), but i can't be sure
 
GL_2(Q) is pretty much SL_2(Q) but with the invertible matrices that don't just have det=1
so it's pretty obvious (at least to me) that it'll be a subgroup. I just have to show that for any A,B in SL_2(Q) the det=1 property is preserved under matrix mult.
I was going to type out all the matrix operations algebraically
but the message was too long lol
let A,B be in SL_2(Q) with AB=(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)(b_1,b_2,b_3,b_4) arranged s.t. a_1,a_2 are the top row entries and a_3,a_4 are the bottom (same for B), then AB=(a_1b_1+a_2b_3,a_1b_2+a_2b_4,a_3b_1+a_4b_3,a_3b_2+a_4b_4) and since det=1 for A,B separately, we know a_1a_4-a_3a_2 = 1 and b_1b_4-b_3b_2 = 1 so for AB we have (a_1b_1+a_2b_3)(a_3b_2+a_4b_4)-(a_3b_1+a_4b_3)(a_1b_2+a_2b_4) multiply it out to get (a_1b_1+a_2b_3)(a_3b_2)+(a_1b_1+a_2b_3)(a_4b_4)-(a_3b_1)(a_1b_2+a_2b_4)-
(a_4b_3)(a_1b_2+a_2b_4)
then manipulate that stuff and hopefully det=1
 
3:50 AM
obliv: this is where not starting with some set of definitions might hurt you. it isn't particularly clear from an "expanded out" formula for det as an express polynomial in the matrix entries that det(AB) = det(A) det(B), which is basically what you're wanting to use here.
it helps to add at least one layer of abstraction to prove that property of the determinant. although there's no reason why the idea of the argument you sketch couldn't go through.
 
4:16 AM
I dont know of any other definitions since my linear algebra course was not abstract at all lol
But I'm more than happy to learn of some if it'll help with proofs
 
so you wouldn't even know a definition of the determinant for, say, 5x5 matrices? or nxn matrices?
maybe they gave you something
but yeah, if they didn't, i'd grab a book that does give you a definition. det(ab) = det(a) det(b) is something that you will see proved pretty soon after any definition.
which isn't to say that the proof is always nice to look at
 
EM4
Hello!
 
@Koro this is an interesting question. offhand i would guess that the dimensions do have to be the same, but also that it matters that your field is R and not some arbitrary field
i'm thinking, given some more general field k, if there is a field endomorphism f: k to k that is not surjective, then {1} is a basis for (k,+,*), but if you give k the funny scalar multiplication k.x = f(k)*x, then {1} is not a basis for (k,+,.). which is not all by itself a proof that (k,+,.) isn't one-dimensional, is suggestive that maybe it doesn't have to be
e.g. if k is something like Q(t) and f is the automorphism sending p(t) to p(t^2), it feels like maybe {1,t} could be a basis for (k,+,.)
but R doesn't have any endomorphisms that aren't automorphisms
i guess maybe actually the fact that {v} isn't a basis for a nonzero vector v in V is a proof that V isn't one dimensional. it's just, this fact all by itself wouldn't tell us what the "not one dimensional" dimension is
just thinking out loud there
hi EM4
 
EM4
4:34 AM
how are you doing?
 
pretty good, i had a light weekend. yourself?
 
EM4
great to hear, I am coming back to math.
 
$$t^2 \frac{\partial^3}{\partial t^3}\Delta_t(s)+s^2 \frac{\partial}{\partial s} \Delta_t(s)=0 $$

is satisfied by

$$\Delta_t(s)= - d(s) \sqrt{\frac{t}{s}}Y_1{(4\pi\sqrt{ts})}- d(s)\sqrt{\frac{t}{s}}K_1(4\pi \sqrt{ts})$$

for $Y_1$ and $K_1$ Bessel functions and $d(s)$ is the divisor function.

$$\Delta(t)= -\sum_{s \in \Bbb N} d(s) \sqrt{\frac{t}{s}}Y_1{(4\pi\sqrt{ts})}-\sum_{s \in \Bbb N}^\infty d(s)\sqrt{\frac{t}{s}}K_1(4\pi \sqrt{ts})$$
That's what i noticed
however $d(s)$ is the divisor function which I don't know how to extend to the complexes
I know that it is possible but I would have to learn the construction
 
5:45 AM
@leslietownes Yes, let's consider field R only. I was thinking of defining a scalar multiplication p: R\times V--->V as p(r,v)=0 for all r and v.
But it doesn't work because we require p(1,v)=v for all v.
:)
 
Hey! I've tried to solve this problem for quite a few times now and I'm just not getting it. I looked up the solutions online and most of them don't even get the answer 41. Any help would be appreciated!
 
@Swan Do you know about permutation groups?
 
@SoumikMukherjee I do
 
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Q: Number of functions $f : A \to A$ with $f(f(x)) = x$

andyLet $A$ be set such that $n(A)=5$. How many functions can we define on $A$ with the property $(f\circ f)(x)=x$ ? I think the identity function works but what about others? Should $f$ have an inverse? I think permutations may be involved, but I am not sure how to progress.

to make a long story short, it isn't any of those answers. 25 maybe comes the "closest" (it counts the number of such f that are not the identity)
 
6:25 AM
@leslietownes Man I had gotten 25 itself in my first attempt (I had forgotten to map the numbers to themselves). It's so weird they have not made any clarification about if this question was given bonus or something. Such a wastage of time and effort
 
oof, yeah. at least it kept you off the street and (one presumes) out of trouble?
 
@Swan What exam is this from?
 
@leslietownes 😭😭
@SoumikMukherjee IISER APTITUDE TEST 2021. This one gets you into the 7 IIISERs and IISc (from last year)
 
for MSc?
 
As in IISc added this exam as one of their modes of admission from last year. That's the reason the exam is getting popular
@SoumikMukherjee No, BS (Research) for IISc and Integrated BS+MS for IISERs
 
6:33 AM
IISER making such a mistake is totally unexpected
 
@SoumikMukherjee There are more errors (or I guess ambiguity) in the biology section. (You have to study PCMB to get the top ranks). And they don't even have an official answer key on their site.
 
7:00 AM
What in the world in CSA Lie (H)?
 

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