The Bridge

...PhysX on: flowing cloth (flags, tarps) that use PhysX to flow realistically are solid with PhysX off, and block bullets completely. With PhysX on, the cloth can be shot apart and thus shot through. - from an answer to the question, "What do the levels of Nvidia PhysX do?" What if the ho...

borderlands-2

Ronan Forman

@fredley Already saw it, made that joke to myself.

fredley

@RonanForman Fine

Unionhawk

All right people, place your bets, how quickly am I going to just pass out in class after having not slept all night?

fredley

@Unionhawk 15 minutes

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp Yeah, it really should be an A51 badge. I suppose you could think of it as a bronze level Beta badge

OrigamiRobot

1:13 PM

@Unionhawk Spoiler alert: You're already sleeping.

badp

@Unionhawk Record the lesson

Sound is enough

(typically)

then sleep ~~soundly~~ silently.

(SEE WHAT I DID THAR)

Unionhawk

@badp It's the end of the semester. Aside from turning things in, really, I don't give a crap about the lesson at hand

Currently

badp

@Unionhawk So why are you in class?

Tim Stone

@YiJiang'sEvilClone It would be a pretty ineffective A51 advertisement if it was just an A51 badge. :p

Unionhawk

@badp shrugs

OrigamiRobot

1:15 PM

@badp Attendance policy maybe.

badp

@OrigamiRobot Stupid policy is stupid.

kalina

anybody?

badp

@kalina there you have it

Ben Brocka

@badp I recorded all sorts of class notes and almost never went back to review them

reviewing audio information takes sooooo loooong I hate it

kalina

@badp -.-

badp

1:16 PM

@BenBrocka I did actually

fredley

Holy shit, all the images in What If? have mouseover text, I am such an idiot. Now I have to go back and read them all again.

badp

Sometimes slides are confusing and contradictory

One thing I try to do when I'm awake is to timestamp my notes

kalina

TBH, I think his question is either a duplicate of the original question which contains all of the details from the game developer about how they've implemented PhysX, or off topic and needs migrating to GameDev so somebody can explain to him how client side rendering works

OrigamiRobot

@badp Yes, they are basically saying "This class is terrible and I don't know how to fix it so I'll just force you to be here."

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@TimStone I don't know about you, but I found the big sidebar advertisements for A51 to be much better uh... advertisements for A51

Tim Stone

1:17 PM

MINOR DETAILS

kalina

@fredley this is your fault, all images on xkcd have had mouseovers since FOREVER

Tim Stone

I think perhaps the Precognitive badge was created prior to the sidebar showing advertisements for A51 proposals, but I'm not positive.

fredley

@kalina I know. It just never occurred to my to mouse over What If?

OrigamiRobot

@fredley I learned yesterday that Daisy Owl had mouseover text so i get to reread the whole series.

kalina

@fredley What if you had mouseovered all of the What Ifs?

fredley

1:20 PM

@kalina Oh God

badp

@kalina penny-arcade.com/report/article/…

kalina

@badp mentions GW2 in title, cba

badp

that's why I linked it to you, silly person

Ben Brocka

It really shouldn't be this way, but any time I hear "eSports" I'm just like "oh. So it sucks."

kalina

@badp I don't play GW2

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

1:22 PM

Is 'crap on it' a particularly Scottish expression?

Ben Brocka

It's not a Scottish expression if it doesn't end in a hearty "Ahhch"

badp

Dreaming in UNICODE

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka My knowledge of Scottish expressions is based solely on Samurai Jack

Ben Brocka

@OrigamiRobot Mine is based mostly on Groundskeeper Willy

SaintWacko

Morning, Bridge

OrigamiRobot

1:34 PM

@BenBrocka I never watched the Simpsons religiously.

kalina

@badp requesting permission to nuke game engine tags

I would do @everybody, but they didn't implement that feature for a reason

LessPop_MoreFizz

@galacticninja Serious Question: How relevant are the answers about a Borderlands PhysX question going to be to a Batman PhysX question? This tag is flawed for the same reason platform tags are generally flawed - which is to say, expertise in the subject generally doesn't translate. — LessPop_MoreFizz 1 min ago

Am I off base here?

SaintWacko

@LessPop_MoreFizz Makes sense

kalina

@LessPop_MoreFizz how relevant are ANY QUESTION ABOUT PHYSX going to be to the core fundamental gameplay?

oh right... not at all

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Okay, so is 'crap on it' a Britishism?

kalina

1:41 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone not one that I would use tbh

OrigamiRobot

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Where are you seeing it?

Ben Brocka

@LessPop_MoreFizz Seems right to me; PhysX can be used for extremely different things in different games

Ronan Forman

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Are you asking if the phrase is british or actually crapping on things?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Conversation by a fictional Scottish police officer

kalina

and any questions about the technology are gamedev and off topic here

Ben Brocka

1:42 PM

@kalina I would think PhysX could be used in a real gameplay mechanic, it's just a really bad idea since not everyone has an Nvidia card

kalina

@BenBrocka I see what you're saying, but you still kinda agreed with what I said

I will accept "kinda agreed" as "completely agreed"

I don't think we need any of these game engine tags

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@RonanForman The phrase, of course. Though I am rather curious if the Brits have a long proud tradition of pooping in inappropriate locations

Ben Brocka

@kalina Yeah, I don't think it's useful as a tag. The fact that PhysX has blinding particle effects in Borderlands isn't really related to whatever the hell they do in whatever other game

LessPop_MoreFizz

@kalina Source Engine seems to be an outlier in that it may be useful

kalina

@LessPop_MoreFizz context?

LessPop_MoreFizz

1:49 PM

as there are a few questions about movement mechanics that are consistent across various source games.

@kalina gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/source-engine

kalina

movement mechanics are customisable across various source games using cvars

eugh, don't link the tag to me

that doesn't help

and going "counterstrike movement" and then putting every cs tag + source engine as the tag doesn't make source engine a useful tag

LessPop_MoreFizz

@kalina There are also some questions that are specific to source client/server stuff that apply to multiple games

SaintWacko

Source Engine seems like it would be an extremely broad tag

badp

like sv_maxrate questions could apply to all of CS:S or TF2 or...

or whatever that cvar is

LessPop_MoreFizz

@SaintWacko Not if we apply the same rule to it that we apply to console tags.

kalina

1:51 PM

@badp All games based on id-tech-1 have a sv_maxrate

LessPop_MoreFizz

Which is to say, if the question is one that somebody who hasn't played any particular game is able to answer, it's probably a good use of the tag.

kalina

and while source isn't based off id-tech-1, it's heavily influenced by it due to gold-src

so should we tag all first person shooters from 2004 and earlier with id-tech-1?

badp

If the question is about optimizing videogame networking...

what works for TF2 likely works for CS:S or CS:GO is what I mean

It'd be nice to mark those few posts as such

or if you're asking how to change the viewmodel fov

or if you're asking how to disable view models

or if you're asking how to disable weather effect (does CS:GO even have them?)

etc.

anything that involves the console, anyway

kalina

If you want to generalise all of the games with source-engine on them and keep the tag

they should be generalised

I don't mind editing ~40 questions

I have lots of free time now I've gotten bored with SU

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Yeah, this is what I mean by Source is kind of an outlier in this respect.

badp

1:55 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz well, see also Doom 3/Quake 4/Prey/etc.

LessPop_MoreFizz

It's unusually consistent in it's implementation across Valve's games at the very least.

badp

Quake 3/Return to Castle Wolfenstein/etc.

kalina

but like, then we have this question:

2

Q: Is there a way to set the Doom3 screen resolution when starting the game?

I am running Doom3 on Linux. Everything worked out fine, as described in this documentation but I ran into a fix when I changed my screen resolution. Now the games starts in a bigger window, the bottom part of which is inaccessible as it extends beyond my laptop screen size. The mouse pointer m...

linux id-tech-4

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Well sure, and if we had questions about those of a similar nature to the Source questions we do have, that'd be fine.

kalina

and if we're going to go down the route of not even bothering to put the game name on as a tag and just tag it by engine

LessPop_MoreFizz

1:56 PM

@kalina Which is clearly a poor use of an engine tag.

kalina

then I best get busy researching the name of every game engine in existence

badp

@kalina I'd add the [doom-3] tag to that one.

lol, I removed it

and I'll be the one that adds it bac

kalina

because arguing that point, means that mass effect uses unreal-engine

along with a bunch of star wars games

badp

We can have 5 tags for any one question

Nobody dies if we use 2

kalina

and any settings relating question would need to be tagged like that

badp

1:57 PM

That's my point

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp So we should go back to putting console tags on everything?

kalina

and then I should put tressfx on any hair related questions for tomb raider

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz meh

kalina

(that was a joke)

and then it's time to bring ITG back

badp

I'm just saying that if somebody comes up with path-of-exile-barbarian we shouldn't launch a committee to decide if we're ever going to get enough questions about that class

kalina

1:58 PM

might as well go the whole way

badp

It also doesn't mean that we have to go back and retag all other path-of-exile questions

kalina

consistency is important

badp

Sure, if somebody feels really bored then it's their problem

@kalina Tags aren't built for consistency, if they were they'd have categorization and hierarchy and whatnot

kalina

are you going to bitch and whine at me when I destroy the front page?

badp

we had to rally for years to get non-vanishing tags

LessPop_MoreFizz

1:59 PM

@badp No, we shouldn't launch a committee to decide that. But if someone edits that tag off of the question, we also shouldn't go out of our way to lynch the editor for the deletion.

Our tags don't get autocleaned. Part of the price of that is vigilance against bad tags, whether they be typo game titles, or tags too narrow to be useful cluttering up the autocomplete.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz Agreed, but I'm still arguing for a more relaxed approach towards tagging

both sides

kalina

We nuked the game-mechanics tag last year during the cleanup

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@LessPop_MoreFizz Until it spirals into a rollback war between the editor and the OP?

kalina

this guy wants a physx tag

badp

@kalina Those tags are a completely different beast from id-tech-3 or poe-barbarian

I hope you realize that

kalina

2:01 PM

which will never even effect core gameplay, until @BenBrocka rightly puts it, nvidia own the entire graphics card market and/or license their tech and/or games get made for bleeding edge hardware only

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp In general, I agree. My point is not that Physx is a bad tag that we shouldn't have. My point is that Physx is an inappropriate tag for the question in, erm, well, question.

badp

All games have game-mechanics, "all" games have boss fights, "all" games have technical issues

@LessPop_MoreFizz It probably is.

kalina

@badp you are talking to two different people at the moment, I hope you realise that

the class tags discussion is the conversation you're having with @LessPop_MoreFizz, who has the multi coloured red/blue avatar

I have a pink avatar, and I'm talking about how physx is useless because we're not gamedev

badp

No, I'm having this discussion with both of you at the same time. This isn't IP, we can multicast

kalina

sets fire to @badp

2

@badp, you're on fire

2

I just thought you should know

LessPop_MoreFizz

2:03 PM

I am going to get coffee. And maybe breakfast. But mostly coffee.

badp

@kalina I have a spycicle. Deal with it

Later @LessPop_MoreFizz

kalina

@LessPop_MoreFizz crunchy nut cornflakes!

@badp my fire overpowers your so called defenses

badp

@kalina citation-needed

Unionhawk

@kalina Just wait 2 seconds and set fire again.

kalina

@badp "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

Sconibulus

2:04 PM

@kalina [1] @Kalina's fire overwhlems @badp's defenses

badp

You call this "scorn" and you claim you've got thick skin

bah says I!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

kalina

I'm actually laughing at you, everybody in the office thinks I've lost it

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Well that didn't take long

kalina

giggling like some crazy woman

2

OrigamiRobot

2:06 PM

Perhaps someone should ask @galacticninja to come to chat so he can participate in this discussion instead of bogging that question down with comments.

Ben Brocka

Yeah, like

fredley

Do chat pings ping people who aren't in chat (and have never been so?)

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@fredley No

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Aw

Sconibulus

would a superping?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

2:08 PM

@Sconibulus Yes, but you need a mod for that

SaintWacko

@kalina Wait, they're just now thinking that?

Sconibulus

@badp care to issue a summons?

kalina

@SaintWacko it's been a while since I sat "giggling at my pc"

badp

@OrigamiRobot that'd only trigger an inbox notification in 15 minutes

fredley

@badp Can I turn off chat notifications in my inbox?

badp

2:09 PM

@fredley No.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@fredley You can by leaving the room and waiting a while

OrigamiRobot

@badp I was actually referring to inviting him in the comments.

He seems to be keeping up with them.

badp

@OrigamiRobot Anybody can do that

OrigamiRobot

@badp Yes, that's why I said someone and not some mod.

I'm not the one who mentioned superpings.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz Fixed that last comment for you

(And, as a side note, you can link tags using the syntax [tag:name] with proper bracketing.) — LessPop_MoreFizz 16 mins ago

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

2:11 PM

List of SimCity 2.0 patch bugs cc @kalina

badp

if you write that like [tag:name\] it doesn't apply the formatting

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I don't even have SimCity installed now

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Oh, that was fast.

A city filled with taxi, ha!

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Nice try

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone meh, I hammered beta for ages

badp

2:13 PM

at any rate galactic hasn't replied in the last 15 minutes

just saying

kalina

I don't know, I got bored of that too

I uninstalled galactic

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina But Galactic Civ is a great game!

kalina

I uninstalled Civ 5 too

Sconibulus

@kalina Blasphemy!

kalina

BioShock is still installed but I set fire to it

cc @badp - my fire is so overpowered it burns in rapture

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

2:15 PM

@kalina Which BioShock?

kalina

both

waits for inevitable

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Without playing them?

kalina

I started playing the first one

badp

@kalina "We don't talk about Bioshock 2 here"?

kalina

@badp well I said both, because I've been told that the Bioshock series should be treated exactly like the Deus Ex series

in that the middle game doesn't exist

badp

2:16 PM

that would be exactly what I said

29,995 reps

kalina

well I was expecting somebody to be pedantic, because... well, this is the Bridge

badp

I'm sure you can get me closer to 29,999 than that

kalina

@badp not bad, just think how much rep I'd have if I had been here 2 years, 9 months

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

kalina

@badp I am going to upvote you and downvote you, brb

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

2:18 PM

Why in the world does Steam do this?

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Your profile so private, you don't have access to it.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp I'm so private, even I can't see what I write about myself

kalina

@badp 29998!

@badp downvote somebody's answer, get 29999

badp

that'd be 29,997

I'll just undo some downvote instead

kalina

@badp I undid my downvote, keep up

you have 30000 atm

badp

2:19 PM

bah, you broke it, now I'm at 30,001

YOU BWOKE THE WOOL

kalina

don't blame me, it's your fault

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp Yeah, well, cotton you too

badp

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kalina

I would have got banned for doing that

hypocrites

Sconibulus

hmm?

kalina

2:22 PM

nothing, I am being bored

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina Hypochondriacs

kalina

I suppose that since there are only two hours until hometime, I should do the installation for this customer that I was given two days to do

hey @Raven

Raven Dreamer

Hiss. Boo. New Site footer.

kalina

yeah it looks ugly

badp

I like it better

The previous one was a trainwreck

kalina

2:24 PM

yes but you have something wrong with you

SaintWacko

I don't see a difference

Clearly I don't spend enough time staring at feet

kalina

@SaintWacko used to be lots of little coloured squares with names next to them before

badp

It still was a trainwreck

Raven Dreamer

Also, Arqade is no longer prominent on it.

kalina

now it's lists of text

badp

2:24 PM

@RavenDreamer We've got parens

SaintWacko

Ah, okay

kalina

@badp the new one looked alright in SO's theme

it looks disastrous and ugly in ours

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I'm still mildly amused by the fact that SF&F got categorized into "Life/Art" while we are in "Culture/Recreation"

Raven Dreamer

@badp Yes, but we're not 5th on the list!

badp

@RavenDreamer We're still 5th on the list!

It's a smaller list though. :/

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

2:25 PM

Shouldn't Judaism be under Life and SF&F be under Culture?

Raven Dreamer

It's not obvious that they are other sites.

It looks like a block of legalese

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I still can't believe that Skeptics want to be under 'science'

badp

Let them, we'll get a little higher

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina Eh? It's called scientific skepticism, why shouldn't it be under science?

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone They're not btw

Raven Dreamer

2:27 PM

Are we even not on this page?

stackexchange.com/sites#culture

badp

@RavenDreamer We're under Recreation

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Some people like to to use the term to distance themselves away from the conspiracy nuts like the global warming skeptics

badp

stackexchange.com/sites#recreation-traffic

Ben Brocka

Now I want Workplace to graduate to see how they deal with yet another category in the footer

@RavenDreamer the footer "more" links don't properly combine categories. So you got Culture not Culture and Rec

kalina

@BenBrocka surely workplace would go under 'life'

but yeah, I don't like the new footer

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

2:28 PM

@kalina Life? In the workplace? Surely you kid...

badp

btw does anybody else not mind it that we don't get hundreds of questions per day?

Ben Brocka

@kalina The actual category is Professional or some crap. No graduated sites are in the category so it'd need a new section/need to be shuffled along with one of the others

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone many people spend a large double figure percentage of their life in the workplace

OrigamiRobot

Obviously we should be in a category on our own called "best" with everything else being under "other"

badp

We're 18th by questions/day

I'm kind of okay with that

kalina

2:29 PM

@badp is our position determined by questions/day?

Ben Brocka

Clearly we should be in the Gamerec/ITG category

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp We get relatively few questions/day for the amount of traffic we bring

badp

@kalina Don't think so

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I'm really really okay with that!

kalina

oh, I was about to raise 30k questions

but nvm then

Ben Brocka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone grumpycatGOOD.jpg

badp

2:30 PM

@kalina if we got 30k questions from you they'd probably be questions that don't make you set fire on yourself

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Yeah, we have at least half a dozen 3k users watch every incoming question.

Blem

2

OrigamiRobot

Aww, did my "inb4 context" pin expire?

kalina

@badp I am struggling to comprehend your meaning behind this statement

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Aww

badp

2:32 PM

@kalina The problem is not if we get 3,000 questions/day from established users

SaintWacko

@kalina's naked pin also expired

badp

The problem is if we get 3,000 questions/day from new users

and 1,500 of those need editing

and 2,000 of those need retagging

Ben Brocka

HOW TO GAME JQUERY PLZ

3

PLZ SEND TEH CHEEVOZ

badp

and this happened every single day

all days

especially weekends

Ben Brocka

I get game over is my game broken

LessPop_MoreFizz

2:33 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone skeptics is less science and more politics lately. :/

kalina

@badp I have no problem doing this, it reduces my boredom

badp

Stack Overflow gets seven thousand questions per day

How the fuck do they run that site

kalina

I could handle 7k questions by myself if they were raised while I was awake

fredley

Wow, Math gets 400 questions a day

kalina

well probably not

fredley

2:34 PM

Lots of people don't know math, it turns out

kalina

@fredley you only have to look at their chat flags to see lots of people don't know math

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@BenBrocka Cheesevotes? Sounds tasty.

fredley

@kalina No, math people don't know flags

kalina

math people don't know ANYTHING

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Ewww, KFC Singapore won't take more than 20 char passwords. And just when I thought I would be getting a nice, modern website (they list IE8+ as one of their recommended browser, which I took to be a good sign)

kalina

2:37 PM

at least they allow symbols

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

kalina

"Passwords must only contain a-z, 0-9 and be between 6 and 8 characters long"

best password EVER

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Some fields are marked by asterisk, some are not. This does not correspond to which fields are required.

The significance of the asterisk is not explained

badp

@kalina "BESTEVER"

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Also horrible stylesheet, why not?

@badp Fail, must be a-z, not A-Z

kalina

2:39 PM

@badp OHMYGOSHOHMYGOSHOHMYGOSHOHMYGOSH

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina 8 char is far too short, ewww

badp

@fredley those passwords are likely case insensitive too

kalina

whenever I see something like "password too long"

badp

@kalina so, like, every bank ever? every ATM ever?

kalina

I read it as "developer is incompetent"

@badp I am going to say that my internet banking doesn't actually use passwords

Ben Brocka

2:41 PM

@kalina Your password must be "password"

All passwords that are not "password" will be rejected for security reasons

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

kalina

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Somehow the website thinks I have X-ray vision that can penetrate this giant modal dialog box that's blocking the view to confirm the details contained in the form

fredley

@BenBrocka To confirm your identity, please write your password on the back of a postcard and send it to the following address. Please allow 6-8 weeks for account processing.

Unionhawk

@YiJiang'sEvilClone You mean you don't?

kalina

2:42 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I can't believe you actually signed up for the mailing list

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina I redirect all those emails to a special ad folder. They sometimes contain coupons, and I'm a bloody cheapskate

kalina

how much chocolate does a human have to consume before it's poisonous?

novelmethodsofsuicide.stackexchange.com would fit until "life / arts", surely?

fredley

@kalina Alot of chocolate