The Bridge

user15026

9:00 PM

I mean that to me, too localized is clearly a bad thing, because those are generally not useful to anyone.

user15026

@pixel grins Takes more than that to stun me.

@OrigamiRobot Except those aren't extraordinarily narrow situations. IT's not meant to be used because only one person would like to do X, but because this could only ever apply to one person.

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn A lumber harvesting machine is not useful to me either, but it doesn't hurt me to have them around so I can have paper.

bwarner

@GnomeSlice I think during ITG debate most people shot down the idea that just because a question might only apply to one person means it is too localized. Because you never know who else might have the same question.

pixel

@AshleyNunn when I get stuck in a what loop it's normally because my brain is failing to process data

GnomeSlice

9:00 PM

@bwarner In that case, excellent.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn We can argue about what TL applies to another time. Lets get back to mod-rec

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Sounds good.

pixel

listen

user15026

@pixel Yeah, I guess that can easily explain my current situation.

pixel

sorry to be a bitch

but I have a chicken burger with bacon

bwarner

9:02 PM

Fishing for stars again?

pixel

just sayin'

no, I actually have a chicken burger with bacon

it also has an onion ring and some salad

but the main ingredients are chicken and bacon

OrigamiRobot

I agree with @pixel here.

I don't know what she is saying, but bacon has always been a platform I support.

pixel

oh and, it tastes amazing

Powerlord

Pssh, I'm going to get a pizza

pixel

@OrigamiRobot I was just breaking the current conversation, no big deal

OrigamiRobot

9:04 PM

That's @InvaderSkoodge's job.

pixel

not today!

fbueckert

Anybody here have experience with AutoCAD?

user15026

@Gnomeslice I found this for unrelated research (Go Libraries explanationing....oy.) and it might help you. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/4818/…

tiddy

@fbueckert Yes

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert I am using it right now.

fbueckert

9:07 PM

@tiddy We're sending .dwg files to a client, and they're coming back saying they're getting, "This dwg file was saved by an application that was not developed or licensed by Autodesk"

When I specifically made them in 2007LT.

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn This is just explaining what defines 'too localized'. But I'm of the opinion that it doesn't matter if only one person cares about it.

fbueckert

From my research, 2007 is when they implemented that stupid Trusted DWG thing, so my version should have it.

user15026

@GnomeSlice but...but...okay, whatever.

tiddy

Kinda off topic for bridge. Might have to google that. Teach a man to fish and all that.

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn What? I'm sorry...

tiddy

9:08 PM

Bridge is rubbing off on me

pixel

@GnomeSlice you're causing a meltdown by arguing that the very definition of too localized is in fact, not too localized

Krazer

@tiddy watch out for static discharge

pixel

@Krazer and discharges of other kinds, like mutant brain

Invader Skoodge

@OrigamiRobot What?

pixel

@InvaderSkoodge he was blaming you

Invader Skoodge

9:10 PM

But I didn't even do anything bawls

pixel

blame @InvaderSkoodge is the replacement for the blame @Wipqozn meme

GnomeSlice

@pixel I'm causing a meltdown? And no, I'm expressing my opinion that it's not grounds for closure if only one person is ever likely to care about the question.

Things that are too localized in time are another matter.

Invader Skoodge

@GnomeSlice I agree with this, actually.

Powerlord

My local pizza place has both pork sausage and italian sausage on its list. I know pork sausage is made from pork, but does that mean italian sausage is...

pixel

@Powerlord yes it does

Gwen

9:11 PM

@GnomeSlice What about questions that are localised to a build?

pixel

@Powerlord vegetable oil is made from vegetables, baby oil is made from ...

user15026

@pixel Yeah, essentially. My brain is melting.

user15026

@pixel only the finest babies, of course.

pixel

@AshleyNunn only the finest!

GnomeSlice

@Gwen That one is trickier. They should probably not be allowed, but it didn't seem to stop Minecraft questions...

pixel

9:12 PM

@Gwen meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/4818/… Joel Spolsky says no, a question localized to a single version of something is not too localized

GnomeSlice

@pixel But for a game that's still in development, like Minecraft was?

fbueckert

@tiddy What do you think I did before I asked? :P

pixel

@GnomeSlice he uses the example of .NET framework, which is always in development

so yes, including Minecraft builds

OrigamiRobot

Nov 9 at 19:28, by Invader Skoodge

I just like saying outrageous things to start up arguments.

GnomeSlice

I could have asked a question about what you get from the first boss in Megabyte Punch a while ago, which would no longer be valid, because that part isn't even in the game any more.

@pixel I'm not sure that's the same as an in-dev game.

Invader Skoodge

9:14 PM

@OrigamiRobot Oh right.

GnomeSlice

They don't completely change the framework with each update.

pixel

@GnomeSlice in-dev software is in-dev software

user15026

@GnomeSlice I would say it is.

GnomeSlice

Minecraft added tons of shit each update.

pixel

@GnomeSlice lol.

GnomeSlice

9:14 PM

The .NET framework is still going to work pretty much the same way each update, no?

1 min ago, by GnomeSlice

I could have asked a question about what you get from the first boss in Megabyte Punch a while ago, which would no longer be valid, because that part isn't even in the game any more.

Gwen

@GnomeSlice What about events in MMOs then? They're always ending, does that mean the questions made during the event should be deleted after?

bwarner

@GnomeSlice About as much as Minecraft works the same each time.

tiddy

@fbueckert You're sure those files originated completely from 07LT?

bwarner

Stuff is always added, and things ocassionally disappear

user15026

@GnomeSlice I dont know why you are linking me to this

fbueckert

9:15 PM

@GnomeSlice Each version of .NET is a separate, distinct, entity.

GnomeSlice

@Gwen Maybe. Maybe they shouldn't be allowed at all. Or they could be allowed, and left by themselves after the event in case anyone wants to know about past events.

@AshleyNunn Because it's not the same.

fbueckert

@tiddy I drew them from scratch.

OrigamiRobot

@InvaderSkoodge I can see where you might have thought I was referring to your robot duties.

@InvaderSkoodge is mod-rec stupid?

pixel

THAT CHICKEN BURGER WAS AWESOME

Invader Skoodge

@OrigamiRobot Yes.

pixel

9:16 PM

ahem

3

Invader Skoodge

I was just about to get to that, actually.

pixel

now I am stuffed full of meat

6

OrigamiRobot

That's all the proof I need.

pixel

you perverts

4

user15026

@GnomeSlice Okay. Well. I seem to be struggling with explaining myself in a way that is clear and I generally want to bang my head on the keytboard because this is too much braining after a day of writing papers, so I am going ot respectfully bow out of this.

OrigamiRobot

9:17 PM

@pixel I starred ahem.

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn Oh man, that's how I feel 24/7. Sorry.

OrigamiRobot

It's the better choice

user15026

@GnomeSlice Eh, no worries...I do want to actually try to help you understand this, I just don't have the mental capacity right now.

tiddy

@fbueckert Have you tried the repack in etransmit fix

user15026

@pixel Not a bad way to be ;)

Invader Skoodge

9:18 PM

I will star the next post that uses the word "callipygian" in context.

pixel

fbueckert

@tiddy What's that?

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn I don't get why you just assume I don't understand it. Maybe my opinion is different from yours.

I don't need to be 'corrected'.

bwarner

@GnomeSlice Things that might change in the future definitely do not equal too localized. , regardless of how likely you think changes are. Most everything on this site might change in the future.

pixel

@AshleyNunn ;)

user15026

9:18 PM

@GnomeSlice See, this is what I mean, I can't even say that correctly.

OrigamiRobot

@InvaderSkoodge wants someone to use callipygian in context.

DONE

user15026

@InvaderSkoodge I consider myself to be quite callipygian, especially in these pants.

Invader Skoodge

@OrigamiRobot You fail.

bwarner

Too localized in time means that by the time someone typed an answer, it would likely be out of date.

Invader Skoodge

@AshleyNunn I hope you didn't have to look that up.

tiddy

9:19 PM

@fbueckert Try packaging the file(s) with eTransmit

OrigamiRobot

@InvaderSkoodge No, you need to define your criteria better. /grump

tiddy

Then unpack them and check if they are trusted

user15026

@InvaderSkoodge No, it was a word I randomly knew from something. Crossword, maybe. I dunno. I collect words like some people collect...stuff.

bwarner

@InvaderSkoodge Are you challenging the vocabulary of the library queen?

user15026

@bwarner Yeah, who does that? I mean, really!

Invader Skoodge

9:20 PM

I was just hoping someone else on the planet besides me knew that word.

user15026

@InvaderSkoodge It is a fantastic word, and it makes me giggle, because I sound smart, but if you know what it means, I am just a vain, vain creature.

user15026

With nice pants. (And to be clear, @pixel, I mean American English pants)

Ian Pugsley

Anybody interested in Far Cry 2, it's $2.50 (!!!) today: slickdeals.net/permadeal/85206/…

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Gwen

If we are talking about strange words, I pick turgid

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Even better is Floccinaucinihilipilfication

tiddy

9:22 PM

Mod support for FC2 would have made that game amazing

simply amazing

pixel

@AshleyNunn UNDERSTOOD!

user15026

@Gwen That word just sounds.....blergh.

user15026

@pixel Yay!

bwarner

@tiddy I want to have unicorns in Far Cry 2, is there a mod for that?

pixel

I choose antidisestablishmentarianism

SaintWacko

9:22 PM

Mine's longer!

3

tiddy

No, because there is no mod support

OrigamiRobot

buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo

tiddy

rimshot

pixel

@SaintWacko proof or you lie

;p

user15026

@SaintWacko Some might use that to describe the happenings here, often.

SaintWacko

9:23 PM

@pixel ...Count the letters?

pixel

you are no fun

SaintWacko

@pixel XD

user15026

@pixel Now now, are we really that sort of chat room?

SaintWacko

Hey, I don't want to get banned!

pixel

@AshleyNunn yes

I am now going to play GW2

SaintWacko

9:23 PM

@AshleyNunn yes

pixel

without @OrigamiRobot

because he would rather play with comic books

user15026

@SaintWacko Says the one who didn't want to prove anything.

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot They do indeed

@AshleyNunn I'm at work!

OrigamiRobot

@pixel I just have to pick them up!

SaintWacko

Plus, the camera on my phone can only capture so much

pixel

9:24 PM

it takes you TWO HOURS to pick them up?

who am I kidding, so far I've only cleaned one room

user15026

@OrigamiRobot they do? That's mean.

pixel

I've been home 4 hours

GnomeSlice

@pixel pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

I hope I spelled that correctly...

pixel

you didn't

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Yeah, but that's a technical word

pixel

9:25 PM

you missed a t least an A

OrigamiRobot

@pixel No, I am getting off at 6 today (in 1.5 hours) I estimate 7:30 to be home.

bwarner

@GnomeSlice Looks like a letter is missing between the r and m

pixel

and I gave up after you failed at that

SaintWacko

Floccinaucinihilipilification is the longest non-technical word

GnomeSlice

Yeah, I missed an a, my bad.

@SaintWacko I remember doing this shit when I was a kid.

OrigamiRobot

9:26 PM

@AshleyNunn Yes, they should be punished.

GnomeSlice

Trying to find the longest words.

pixel

@OrigamiRobot well that's a full 30 minutes earlier than your last estimation

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Oh, I know it from reading Heinlein

He uses it a few times

OrigamiRobot

@pixel It was 12:30 when I said that. 12:30 + 7 hours = 7:30

pixel

I would never use a long word where a diminutive one would suffice.

GnomeSlice

9:26 PM

@SaintWacko Oh, I don't actually know what the word means, I meant I remember trying to find a longer word than all my friends.

SaintWacko

@pixel ...

GnomeSlice

@pixel 'small'* :P

user15026

If we are using technical words, I win.

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice This

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn That doesn't even count technically! o.o

user15026

9:27 PM

@pixel That appeals to my cunning linguistic sensibilities.

GnomeSlice

Also, wow.

user15026

@GnomeSlice chemically, then.

pixel

There is no way that is a word

GnomeSlice

@pixel It's a protein.

pixel

It would take half a week to say that

SaintWacko

9:28 PM

@AshleyNunn groan

GnomeSlice

> Its full chemical name is 189,819 letters long and, depending on how you define a “word” is the longest word in the English language. It is not included in the dictionary – few lexicographers accept chemical formulae as words. But when people go round Googling “What’s the longest word in the English language?”, they don’t really care if it’s a “real” word or not.

pixel

you definitely wouldn't want to use it in a sentence

user15026

Titin

Titin (), also known as connectin, is a protein that in humans is encoded by the TTN gene. Titin is a giant protein that functions as a molecular spring which is responsible for the passive elasticity of muscle. It is composed of 244 individually folded protein domains connected by unstructured peptide sequences. These domains unfold when the protein is stretched and refold when the tension is removed. Titin is the largest known protein. Furthermore the gene for titin contains the largest number of exons (363) discovered in any single gene. Titin is important in the contraction of st...

bwarner

@AshleyNunn Yikes, need to be careful typing that.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn I've never actually heard someone use that joke :P

OrigamiRobot

9:28 PM

@SaintWacko There's a joke there, but I'll refrain.

user15026

@pixel 3 hours. There's a youtube vid, apparently

pixel

@AshleyNunn whoever came up with that was obviously joking

user15026

@SaintWacko Thank you for catching it. It makes me giggle when I can make it work.

fbueckert

@tiddy I'll give that a shot; I don't see it working any better than what we've done already.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn That was an excellent use of it

GnomeSlice

9:29 PM

Seriously though guys, @Krazer and I can beat you all in a 'strange word' contest.

Invader Skoodge

@AshleyNunn Yes but how long did he prep to be able to say it?

user15026

@SaintWacko Thank you :D

user15026

@InvaderSkoodge That is unknown.

badp

Now that I think about it, Socrates was kind of an asshole

Krazer

@GnomeSlice which was stranger the fact that negrohead worked or horsebean?

user15026

9:30 PM

@SaintWacko BEST REPLY EVER. Means I did it right ;)

GnomeSlice

@Krazer Yeah. I almost died laughing when you played 'negrohead'.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn ;)

OrigamiRobot

1 min ago, by OrigamiRobot

@SaintWacko There's a joke there, but I'll refrain.

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn ...y u do dis

user15026

@GnomeSlice because awesome,

SaintWacko

9:31 PM

Well, someone did it right, anyways. Should be reversed, but oh, well :P

GnomeSlice

That's ...hilarious.

tiddy

@fbueckert Yeah you've probably covered everything

fbueckert

@tiddy That error message, though: Is there ever a point at which you get it, and you can't tell it, "I don't care, open it anyways"?

user15026

@SaintWacko Reversed?

user15026

@GnomeSlice I have a love affair with linguistic humor. Leave me alone :P

tiddy

9:33 PM

Not that i've seen.

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn I find linguistics fascinating, I'm just not smart enough to do anything clever with it.

=[

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice I am more infatuated with phonetics.

user15026

@OrigamiRobot Oh?

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn >.> Never you mind :P

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot I just find all areas of language extremely interesting.

Invader Skoodge

9:35 PM

@GnomeSlice This.

user15026

@SaintWacko ...you can't tease a girl like that!

Invader Skoodge

I want to know all the languages.

OrigamiRobot

@AshleyNunn Quite.

user15026

@GnomeSlice I like playing with it and messing it about,

Ullallulloo

Also, FTL's down to $6(40% off) today.

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GnomeSlice

9:35 PM

But I'm not smart enough, or don't have the focus to get become well learned in any academic subject like linguistics...

=[

Invader Skoodge

I've narrowed down all the languages to 6, though, that I really, really want to know.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Back to cunning linguistics, eh?

GnomeSlice

@Ullallulloo Argh, flat broke.

user15026

@SaintWacko oh, honey, I never left.

GnomeSlice

bundle-in-a-box.com

user15026

9:36 PM

@InvaderSkoodge Which 6?

Invader Skoodge

I don't know if it's feasible to actually know 6 languages, especially since I don't know a single person IRL who is fluent in any language other than English, but it would be neat.

FAE

@InvaderSkoodge Yes it is.

Ullallulloo

@GnomeSlice Yeah, I'm going to wait till Christmas or until I run out of stuff to play in like 9 years, but I thought others would be interested.

Invader Skoodge

@AshleyNunn English, German, French, Russian, Mandarin Chinese, and Japanese

OrigamiRobot

@InvaderSkoodge Oh god Mandarin.

user15026

9:37 PM

@InvaderSkoodge I am working on learning Russian. It is a fantastic language.

Ullallulloo

@InvaderSkoodge duolingo.com has three of those.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Well, unfortunately, I have to

GnomeSlice

I'm completely incapable of learning any new languages.

SaintWacko

Cya later!

Ullallulloo

Japanese soon too

@GnomeSlice It's hard.

user15026

9:37 PM

Full of nifty rules, and lots of ways to accidentally swaer

Invader Skoodge

@Ullallulloo Which did it add? Last I saw, it only had German, French, and Spanish.

Obviously, I don't need to learn English.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Also, I took a couple years of Russian!

user15026

@GnomeSlice I wouldnt say so. It takes a lot of application, but its doable

Ullallulloo

@InvaderSkoodge Yeah, I meant English.

GnomeSlice

I did well in French in highschool, and I've no idea how. I can read and understand the gist of most French, but I can't speak it at all.

SaintWacko

9:38 PM

We shall talk later

Ullallulloo

Although it added Portuguese recently.

Invader Skoodge

@Ullallulloo It is not hard, it just takes dedication.

user15026

@SaintWacko Yes, yes we shall!

Ullallulloo

@InvaderSkoodge Yeah, I guess.

Invader Skoodge

@Ullallulloo It will probably be difficult for them to add a langauge with a non-latin alphabet, due to its nature.

Ullallulloo

9:38 PM

@InvaderSkoodge Japanese is next, so I guess we'll see.

Invader Skoodge

When I say I want to learn Mandarin and Japanese, I mean that I also want to be able to read and write them.

So it's a lofty goal.

OrigamiRobot

I know Pig Latin.

FAE

I've had 7 years of French, 6 years of Spanish, a semester and a half of Japanese, and have a diploma that certifies I have university level proficiency in Dutch.

Invader Skoodge

@FAE I know there are people that know this many languages, but my current place in life rather dictates that I don't take extended vacations to any native speaking areas, which puts a huge hindrance on it for me.

OrigamiRobot

@InvaderSkoodge It can be hard if you are self teaching. Some of the sounds your mouth just doesn't know how to produce.

tiddy

9:42 PM

@FAE Have you achieved fluency in French or Span?

FAE

@InvaderSkoodge Understandable. I'm one of those weird people that learns better through grammatical knowledge in a language rather than just jumping into it though.

Ullallulloo

Nope, Chinese is next it seems, then Italian, then Japanese.

FAE

@tiddy I haven't spoken either of them regularly in years, so my proficiency has dropped dramatically, unfortunately.

tiddy

sad face

Ullallulloo

But I guess he expects the first to to be out this year?

Invader Skoodge

9:43 PM

@FAE I'm the same way. My main issue with German at this point is vocabulary.

user15026

I like using Rosetta stone for Russian.

Invader Skoodge

I learned all the grammar before I even knew a handful of words.

OrigamiRobot

I wanted to learn Irish just to show off.

Invader Skoodge

@AshleyNunn Rosetta Stone is really, really good.

FAE

@InvaderSkoodge Yeah, I understand how that goes. Vocabulary's just a matter of practice and usage, mostly. How's duolingo working out for you in that aspect?

Invader Skoodge

9:44 PM

@FAE It's frustrating, because it's wildly inconsistent.

They'll introduce a word as meaning "radiator", then you use "radiator" as the translation and it'll say "nah, that's a heater".

Ullallulloo

@InvaderSkoodge I've heard that it's overrated, myself.

FAE

@InvaderSkoodge I haven't used it in a couple weeks, so I haven't gone really in depth at all. And hm, that sucks

GnomeSlice

Nov 20 at 0:32, by GnomeSlice

I have one steam key each of Crayon Physics Deluxe, Eufloria to give away. Anyone?

Invader Skoodge

@Ullallulloo It is not good as a sole resource, but it is very good at making sure you really have the core of the language down pat.

GnomeSlice

Just in case anyone new wants them.

OrigamiRobot

9:46 PM

Rosetta Stone gave me the impression that in Irish, nouns change depending on some other grammatical context. I could never figure out what.

Invader Skoodge

I taught myself German with a combination of Rosetta Stone, tons of google searching, and even more google searching.

Recently I've been telling Steam to play games in German for practice :P

OrigamiRobot

I get singular and plural, but I don't know why car should have 5 different forms.

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Stuff like whether it's nominative case or oblique case, etc. etc.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gluaiste%C3%A1n

Yea, but I have no idea what that means.

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Subject or object of a sentence

Invader Skoodge

9:50 PM

@OrigamiRobot Nominative is subject case, genitive is possessive case, dative is object case.

I don't know Vocative because it's not in German.

OrigamiRobot

Yea well Rosetta Stone doesn't make any of those distinctions. It just throws em in there.

Invader Skoodge

@OrigamiRobot Which is why you have to supplement it with research.

When Rosetta Stone introduces something you don't understand, figure out why.

OrigamiRobot

But I don't even know what I am confused about.

user15026

In Russian the only cases I have trouble with are Genitive and instrumental.

user15026

I hate Russian genitive. I still don't get it.

Invader Skoodge

9:53 PM

I heard Russian has 3 "numbers" too. One, two, and more than two.

Instead of English which just has singular and plural.

OrigamiRobot

@InvaderSkoodge My main discouragement came form not knowing how to pronounce things.

Invader Skoodge

@OrigamiRobot What version of Rosetta Stone were you using.

OrigamiRobot

Like, how do I make my vocal cords make the sound I just heard.

Invader Skoodge

Oh, that could be a challenge.

I don't know what sounds are in Irish.

OrigamiRobot

Look up the word "cooking"

user15026

9:55 PM

@InvaderSkoodge what do you mean by the numbers?

user15026

@origamirobot I have trouble with the "bh" sound in particular.

Invader Skoodge

@AshleyNunn English has 2 cases for nouns related to how many there are: singular or plural. I heard somewhere that Russian has 3 similar cases: one of something, two of something, and more than two of something.

@OrigamiRobot cócaireachta?

OrigamiRobot

@AshleyNunn bh is like v I think

@InvaderSkoodge Did you listen to it?

Invader Skoodge

@OrigamiRobot Google Translate doesn't have a text to speech for Irish.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn I am jealous. I have a vague life goal of being able to read Pushkin in the original.

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