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1:00 PM
No prob
 
Oh i earned a badge.
HURRAY, I'M NEGATIVE!!
 
grats
 
but i'm still wondering, would this question work on Game Dev SE?
 
I've pinged the game dev mods about it
 
if it was tweaked considerable, of course
 
1:06 PM
The ultimate answer to his question is of course, "Because each generation has to repeat the mistakes of the previous one." ;)
Speaking of past mistakes, I just created a UML class diagram of something like 15% of Skyrim's C++ classes.
It looks more complicated than some modern processor diagrams I saw.
What the hell, Bethesda?
 
@MartinSojka Well it is skyrim
 
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Q: How does an atom decide what to bond to?

bwarnerGiven for example, a Hydrogen atom (that can only have 1 bond max), that is sitting on a bonder next to two other atoms that are also on bonders and have available bonding slots, how is it determined which atom the Hydrogen ends up bonding to? I've tried experimenting with it being a priority or...

 
@RonanForman hurray, part two!
 
@RedriderX Yeah, but comparing it to Fallout 3's class diagram, I can say with certainty that this ...
We can now confirm that the TES V: Skyrim engine is all-new. And it looks fantastic.
... is a lie.
 
1:12 PM
omg LoL patch @_@
 
@RonanForman Are you still using zerg rush tactics to get past the woods in this one? That was funny to watch. :)
 
Seeing as Terraria 1.1 is out tomorrow should we play it for game on! this week?
 
Sivir overhaul, jungle overhaul, lessening health potions' effectiveness while decreasing minion damage, and of course, new armored bear...
 
@MartinSojka well i guess it is older then some proc diagrams then
 
@MartinSojka Nah, we made it through, we got to the mountain at the end of part 1
 
1:14 PM
@RonanForman Oooh
 
@RonanForman To what end?
I am pretty much completely disinterested in Terraria PvP
 
I wonder though ... was there no iron on the first part of the map at all? Because I wondered why you didn't just burn the woods down ...
 
@MartinSojka nope
 
@FallenAngelEyes Not PvP, I just want to play Terraira.
 
@MartinSojka There wasn't even stone
 
1:15 PM
@FallenAngelEyes Sneaky map designers.
 
@MartinSojka Yep!
 
We find diamond later! We never get it though.
 
@RonanForman I could be down for that, but the variance in power you can have may make it frustrating for some people. I don't really have a desire to start a new char :/
 
@FallenAngelEyes Well we'll just end up messing around what ever we do, so it doesn't really matter how strong the characters are.
 
@RonanForman Well if one person's one-shotting everything, in can make it so people don't feel as much character progression. Depends on how people like to play, pretty much.
Though I probably can't make it this weekend anyway
 
1:35 PM
0
Q: Cloned maps in Minecraft SMP without cheating

LohorisCan maps be cloned in SMP without cheating? (i.e. without editing saves or using /give or similar commands). Can this be done only at creation time (all the clones are created together), or can they be also cloned later (you already have a map and you clone it)?

 
2:23 PM
OK, I'm at work now. People can start asking questions on the site that I know the answer to.
 
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Q: How do I get this chest?

Ronan FormanAccording to my map a chest in skyloft has been unlocked, but I can't get to it. It is on the circled island:

 
@EveryoneotherthanRonan: And you guys thought I was kidding!
 
That was posted 2 hours ago anyway, how long does it take to get to work?
 
@RonanForman Not that long.
I only did a quick sweep on the main page today, so I likely missed it.
Some chests unlock before you can reach them. :|
For instance, the one that requires you to have a bacon sandwich.
 
According to an answer it's the only place in Skyloft town that isn't a separate map.
 
2:41 PM
0
Q: Why can't I use the RC Possessor?

Martynwhen I try to equip the RC Possessor in Saints Row the Third, the weapon is not selectable - why is this? How can I use this weapon?

0
Q: Arkham city savegame files PC

ArremerWell there is problem with B:AC and when you exit the game your savegame files disappear. I heard about the problem and i played the game without exiting...at that point the fix was unknown now it is solved but i already played most of the game and at one point the game just had to crash. I fix...

 
@RonanForman after you're through the cd, check out this ww remix: ocremix.org/remix/OCR02330
 
3:07 PM
@Powerlord it's okay, because I'm sure you can answer Gaming questions on Quora instead while you're at work!
Look, there are three unanswered questions right now: Which Quora users correspond to the 9 kinds of Team Fortress 2 students? (in reference to this), ...
 
is it acceptable to post a question that you intend to answer? ie, nobodys asked about a game mechanic in SR3 that I think I have a good strategy for, can I post both the question and the answer, or is that frowned upon?
 
@agent86 It's acceptable. Some say you should wait before posting an answer, others say you can just go ahead.
 
There's nothing wrong with self-answering
 
You'll get beef either way but in both forms it's still acceptable and often times very appreciated. ♪
 
3:09 PM
good to know, thanks for the tips badp/grace.
 
World of Goo Now Available on Android http://bit.ly/u9Y77m
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@agent Oh yeah, 24 hours of delay is quite acceptable, haha.
 
WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE: Get dumped. Buy Master Chief suit. http://tmblr.co/ZyUagxCajOXb
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> What do you do when your girlfriend cheats on you with a guy who really likes Alkaline Trio? Well, you could cry about it, or you could sell the engagement ring you got for her on eBay and use the money to buy a really heavy, hyper-realistic suit of armor, just like Master Chief’s in Halo.
 
@GraceNote, hah, that's not the one I had in mind, although I noted it as I was checking to see if anyone had posted the question I want to ask.
 
3:26 PM
0
Q: Is there a way bring down the iron bars behind Clavicus Vile in Haemar's Shrine?

SathyaThere seems to be a metal bars-esque barrier in the passage behind Clavicus Vile in Haemar's Shame/Haemar's Shrine. Is there a way to open it?

 
is the tag discouraged?
 
@agent86 Not for bigger tags.
 
well, this is a tag with like, 30 questions.
 
idk, we haven't really worked it out yet.
 
yeah, indeed.
 
3:33 PM
@tzenes thought so.
I remember trying to defend that tag from him.
Wait, wait.
Something's wrong.
Did two consecutive links I posted just get starred?
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Most of the time it's not used.
@GnomeSlice Apparently
 
@GraceNote Had a chance to look at Really Big Sky yet?
 
@GnomeSlice looks around for the Remove Stars button
 
@GnomeSlice Nope
@agent is in a bit of a scrumblmutz right now
 
@GraceNote "Did you mean scribblemats?"
 
3:40 PM
There's a combination of the fact that we were never the best at applying it everywhere it did apply to (I'm pretty sure there are a lot of TF2 questions where it would've been appropriate but never got tagged), but also the issue of "Does it need to be just weapons"
 
I think it's a useless tag, to be honest.
 
This coming from the inventor of ? ♪
 
Hell, the majority of the TF2 questions could likely be filed under
 
Haha, I kid. It is arguably useless, though.
 
@GraceNote That at least has entertainment value.
I used to support tags like but I've come around.
 
3:42 PM
TF2 only consists of 4 things: Classes, maps, weapons, and hats (or rather, cosmetic items).
 
I see it as a very concrete subdivision of questions that some people find quite important. However, it happens that this isn't necessarily a subdivision that people will use
 
I'll see if I can find that conversation with @tzenes at some point, and link it. There were some good points brought up there for both sides.
 
Well, OK, and action items.
 
A subtag needs to not just be a subdivision - it has to be a meaningful one.
 
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Q: Does the one-handed perk "Savage Strike" give you a bonus when dual-wielding?

KyoI just wanted to know if the bonuses translated to dual-wielding as well, or is it pointless to even get if you aren't going to only use one weapon at a time?

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Q: What's the easiest way to maximize insurance fraud?

agent86Insurance Fraud is one of the side activities in Saints Row 3. I'm planning on using it to get the Windshield Cannon challenge, but that means that I'm going to have to gain money in insurance fraud very quickly to make up for the time I spend goofing around and flying through windshields. Wh...

 
3:52 PM
@Lazers Oh man. There's a bug in Saints Row 2.
 
@GnomeSlice Oh dear. A program has a bug? How unprecedented.
 
It involves one of the cheats... I can't remember which one. Might have been 'low gravity'. Anyway, for some reason, during insurance fraud minigames, the effect of the cheat got changed basically enabling you to get hit, and fly across the entire game, with an uncapped speed.
Which you could use to hit another car and go even higher.
 
@GnomeSlice not a bug, a feature
that sounds awesome.
 
I played a round of Insurance Fraud for like 30 minutes at a friend's house once.
It was hysterical.
It's a shame it didn't work like that in the rest of the game.
Only in insurance fraud.
 
yeah, it's by far my favorite activity.
My co-op partner sucks at it though.
that was like the first activity he wanted to finish up while we were playing together, so that I could do it for him.
 
3:58 PM
There's a video of it.
None of these videos do it very well though.
I got so high I could hardly see the ground.
So, it turns out I was missing 40 marks worth of in-class assignments in Motion graphics. 8 in total.
 
@GnomeSlice Oh no.
 
Yeah. He goes so fast, I never got any of them done during the classes.
Anyway, I completed yesterday's, and handed in one of the past ones I did on Sunday, and he said I could hand in the Game On! splash screen in place of another one.
 
...ow
 
So that's 3 down.
 
@GnomeSlice Awesome
is he a gamer by chance?
 
4:04 PM
No idea. I don't think so.
He's not a very professional teacher though.
He wastes a lot of time in class break dancing with students.
 
@GnomeSlice aw, snap, i thought you could...
@GnomeSlice did it just read that right?
 
@RedriderX Yes.
 
wow
 
I remember when I had him last year, he'd often be late, or have to leave early to do his 'real job'.
 
nice teacher
@GnomeSlice snirk "real job"
 
4:06 PM
@RedriderX What do you think of this?
But yeah, anyway, he said to focus on the final, but it's only worth 25 marks, whereas the combined in-class assignments I'd missed are worth 40.
35 I guess, if you don't count yesterday's.
 
@GnomeSlice I did see it when you mentioned it earlier, i don't have the time to try it out now, but from your description it seem pretty cool
@GnomeSlice got a problem there...
 
They're not difficult... I'm sure I can figure most of them out.
 
Man, video game ideas are hard.
 
Doesn't help that none of them have descriptions anywhere though.
@Mana Oh!?
 
@Mana ain't that the truth...
@GnomeSlice are they that obscure?
 
4:09 PM
@Mana What is your requirements for your project?
 
@GnomeSlice I'm making a game for a video game development competition at the moment...and I'm completely stumped.
 
As one of the minds behind Space Stalin, I'm willing to lend my aid to your cause!
 
@RedriderX "Colour Correction". "Tron Titles". "Motion Tracking". These are the sorts of descriptions he gave me.
@Mana What sort of game?
 
@GnomeSlice oh
 
I missed the colour correction class, and when I emailed him asking what we did he said:
> We did colour correction. Like dis!
 
4:10 PM
@Mana yes you have piqued our interest.
 
And linked a youtube video.
 
@GraceNote I'm unsure that I should say the theme name in a public chatroom but I guess it doesn't matter?
 
@GnomeSlice "like dis!
 
@RedriderX I think you mean piqued.
@RedriderX Yeah.
@Mana Why?
 
@Mana Oh, it's a game jam?
 
4:10 PM
@GraceNote S... what?
 
@GnomeSlice oops
 
@GraceNote Yeah, basically.
Except seven weeks long as opposed to 48 hours
 
Jun 10 at 18:00, by Grace Note
@Powerlord Our first game in our Game Development 1 class was "Apollo 13: The Reckoning", wherein you play the restructured Apollo 13 on a mission to the moon, fighting off Space MIGs and Space Zeppelins until you discover that the man on the moon is Stalin himself.
 
@Mana sooo anything?
 
Jun 10 at 18:00, by Grace Note
Who is Stalin wearing a Diving Helmet. In space. With his hat on top of the helmet.
 
4:11 PM
@RedriderX No, it has to follow a certain theme involving murder.
 
@Mana I see....
 
Hm...
 
and foulness. But mild foulness.
 
@Mana Oh boy!
 
4:12 PM
wow
 
Well, I can't really give you one off the tree without knowing the theme, naturally
 
Problem Sleuth?
 
@GraceNote Well, it's basically murder followed by the other two words in the next sentence.
 
@GnomeSlice you mean this?
 
@RedriderX Yes.
@Mana definitely knew what I was referring to.
 
4:13 PM
@GnomeSlice Yes I did.
 
@GnomeSlice Well yes I'm just new to this "internet" thing.
 
@Mana What type of gameplay do you want?
Point/click? Platforming?
 
@Mana The first step in these things is generally deciding "How am I going to incorporate the theme?" The main choices are "As a core mechanic" and "How it affects the characters"
 
@GraceNote I see...Okay.
 
For example, in a murderous scenario choicing to the latter, are you playing the advocate, or are you handling the aftermath? Or maybe even a potential victim?
 
4:15 PM
Ah, that makes sense.
 
@Mana how 'bout this game with a simulated chat room where you interact with these characters that come in and out of the story, which eventually turns to solving this murder mystery thing?
 
Once you pick the perspective or the mechanic, then you flesh out the design and appeal.
Also, you'll get a wealth of accolades for this if you include @Arda in it somehow.
 
You could do something like Digital, but you'd need writers.
Also, you should play it if you haven't already.
 
@GnomeSlice I have
 
What game genre are you going for?
Puzzle game? Shooter?
 
4:18 PM
@GnomeSlice Hurray for dial-up!
 
Yay, 53 servers use my Force Holidays plugin.
 
@GnomeSlice That's the thing. I don't know yet what I want to do. I'm considering a top-down shooter of some sort but it's more of a musing than anything. I need to just figure out something.
 
We once had a game jam where our theme was "Environmental manipulation". We ended up creating a puzzle game where you play as a poltergeist that plays the saw in order to create unique spell effects.
 
If is supposed to be one of the themes, you probably want something more focused on a single, or small number of murders; a top-down shooter would probably lend itself much better to a 'shoot everything that moves' deal.
 
...a saw that sounded like a cello, but only because our sound artist didn't want to ruin his bow on our inspiration's actual saw.
 
4:22 PM
You could do what I did, and just rip off other games.
 
hahahaha
silly badp.
 
@Mana I needed to upload it somewhere :P
 
Aww, I liked the more explicit version. Oh well.
 
@badp I don't get it. =[
 
I know.
Joel put a system message on SO and is getting flamed for it, so since I share the concerns I'm putting it up this way instead.
 
4:33 PM
@GnomeSlice I guess you haven't heard about SOPA?
 
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Q: Do shopkeepers respawn?

victoriahThe guy in the general goods store in Whiterun has a creepy voice and I'd like to satisfy my disturbedness by giving him an axe to the head. If I do this, do I lose the general goods vendor in Whiterun forever? Also, do I get access to the shop inventory if I kill him?

 
@Mana No.
 
@GnomeSlice It's a bill with good intentions to stop piracy but which in its current state is far too broad and if passed could be abused to ruin all sorts of things on the internet.
 
@GnomeSlice Basically, it lets "copyright owners" wave dismissively at a site and then it becomes inaccessible from within the US and the site can no longer use US based payment processors or advertisement companies
One wrong link is technically enough.
 
@badp ...I still don't understand. Sorry.
 
4:35 PM
@GnomeSlice Some user puts a link to a torrent. A company files a complaint. Suddenly Gaming is dead, and Stack Exchange with it.
I can't put it in less words than this ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)
 
@badp Wait, so copyright owners have the power to shut down any service they think might have been used for infringement?
 
Basically.
 
@GnomeSlice Pretty much
 
...What.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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What's to stop all of these competitors from posting shit on one another's sites and getting them shut down?
 
Pretty much nothing?
I don't know to be honest
I've added a link to the actual text of the bill to Joel's answer
which is the link target of the ad
 
4:38 PM
How can they have the right to shut down other services?
 
Oh joy, work is blocking imgur again today
 
They don't. They just show down US-based DNS and paypal and advertisement companies and stuff.
Since so much of this stuff is based on US companies, it basically graps the whole world by the balls.
And the world has no say about it.
Americuhnz have to do all the lobbying.
 
@GnomeSlice Well, the companies funding the law don't post things on their own sites. But heaven forbid that companies other than those use those same laws.
Here's the thing: The EU backed off the whole "US Controlled DNS is bad" thing a few years ago because the US Government promised not to abuse said power. So, here comes a law that proposes said government do exactly what they said they wouldn't.
And so, up comes the big "Why does the US control DNS debate" again.
 
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Q: Persistent game where you program your own bot(s)

ValmondI'm looking for an online game with a persistent world where you are allowed to code (and add) your own 'players' (it can be in any language / script). A sort of RTS but for bots. Does that even exist? Thanks! ps. I really didn't find good tags, please do change them if there are any better :-/

vote to close that migrated question, et caetera
thank you @GnomeSlice @badp
Also, @Mana, how were the other games between Sleep and Hero?
 
@Wipqozn And poor Rapida?
 
4:47 PM
@badp I was offering thanks to those who closed it after me, presumably after my request to vote to close.
 
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Q: Are there American cars faster than NASCAR cars?

user674887In B specs I'm trying to win an American championship that only allows American cars. I've tried with a Pilot Level 30 and a NASCAR car, but he can't win. I'm wondering if there is any American car faster (or with more performance points) than the NASCAR cars to use in this race?

 
@Wipqozn yeah, I considered flagging it. thought I'd take a crack at it first, since it was apparently approved to move here and all.
 
@agent86 I believe questions can be moved without mod approval from the target site. I'm basing this on the fact the question was moved here and not closed.
I'm sure @badp would know more though, seeing as how he is a mod.
 
Correct, migration is entirely on the job of the moving site, not the recipient
 
In this case however, it was a moderator.
 
4:56 PM
gotcha.
 
for some reason I thought it required the approval of the receiving site.
 
Nope
 
@GraceNote What is the reasoning behind that?
 
Oh, you can't add comments to migrated questions?
 
4:58 PM
The majority of the time, migrations aren't bad and don't need review.
 
The only rationale I can think is so it doesn't sit in "limbo" for too long.
 
on the side they're closed on that is.
 
@Powerlord Locked questions, specifically.
 
@GraceNote ah I see, yeah that makes sense.
 
@GraceNote That's weird, I swear you used to be able to add comments on locked questions.
Just not answers
 
4:59 PM
@Powerlord You can comment on answers to locked questions (provided the answers themselves aren't locked). Just not on the question itself.
 
Wait, is there a difference between locked and closed questions?
 
@Wipqozn This is also why there are limited migration paths. Helps prevent bad migrations.
@Powerlord Closed is what anyone with 3k can do. Locked is what requires a moderator, or automatically on migration/merging.
 
@GraceNote Is there any way to migrate a question to a site which is not a part of said migration paths?
 
Closed prevents answers. Locked prevents voting, comments, editing, and if it's on a question it also prevents new answers.
 
Ideally such a situation should not arise mind you.
 
5:00 PM
@Wipqozn Moderators can migrate anywhere
For example, there is no bridge between GameDev and Gaming, in either direction.
 
@GraceNote I was unaware that anyone other than mods could move questions.
 
@GraceNote Do we have any bridges?
 
@Ullallulloo Gaming -> Gaming Meta ♪
@Wipqozn It's a subset of the "off-topic" close reason
 
@GraceNote That's what I thought. :P
 
@GraceNote I just thought that resulted in a moderator flag.
Well, I've learned something new about Stack Exchange today.
 
5:05 PM
do you prefer this to the currently proposed one?
 
@badp I prefer it by quite a bit.
 
@Wipqozn That's probably good enough for me
:P
 
@badp Excellent.
 
I love how the SOPA starts:
> FIRST AMENDMENT- Nothing in this Act shall be construed to impose a prior restraint on free speech or the press protected under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.
"Hey, people say that laws that conflict with the consitution aren't valid, so let's write it down: 'does... not... conflict.' Here! Done! Constitution taken care of!"
 
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Q: How Do I Play Xbox Games On The 360?

Wesley Mark PennockIs there anything special I must do or can I just insert a xbox game into a 360? Namely the original Halo games and the call of duty games?

 
5:22 PM
@Wipqozn They were alright, I felt slightly disappointed by Thorzain's performance. Hero won.
 
@Mana How long were the following two games?
between sleep and hero
 
@Wipqozn Uh, there was a really long 55 minute game between Thorzain and Sleep
and then there was another long 40 minute game between Thorzain and Hero
 
As opposed to a short 55 minute period, or a short 40 minute period
 
@GnomeSlice That does happen a lot, although normally it's messages that make you look like a jerk.
 
5:40 PM
So 2.5 weeks after the release of Skyrim, and it looks like our page views are still 3-4 times what they were before. That's awesome.
 
@bwarner Our monthly pageview count for November is currently higher than Server Fault's monthly pageview count.
 
Can we start referring to it as "The Big 4"?
 
Well, technically the Trilogy has always had four parts.
 
Counting MSO?
 
Aye
 
5:47 PM
Obviously we'll have to see where things are in a month or two. Once people find us, do they keep coming back, or do they just see as some random site on the internet that had an answer for them and that they promptly forget about?
 
How is it that I'm only now hearing about SOPA?
 
@John Because you don't frequent The Pirate Bay or Ars Technica?
 
@Ullallulloo That could be it. I heard about it this morning from MSO.
 
@GraceNote You say The Trilogy. but I've been here since before there even was a Trilogy. :P
 
@Powerlord That you have, that you have. You do have seniority over me, haha
 
5:52 PM
@Powerlord You're old. :x
 
@Ullallulloo Would it scare you if I mentioned I've been using this nick on the Internet for 18 years?
 
sigh alright, 200 again, time for cat pictures.
 
user image
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@Powerlord Yes. o.o
 
@agent86 ...
 
5:57 PM
My nick predates the arrival of commercial traffic to the Internet... but just barely.
 
@Wipqozn I dunno, if it was Shiny, I might do it
 
@Powerlord did you use that nick on the CoH forums?
 
@agent86 ICHC seems to have lots of good ones today.
 
@DavidB I didn't really play a lot of CoH.
 
(city of heroes)
ah, ok. it just sounded familiar, I guess not
 
@agent86 Well, there are ~70 other SE sites! Have at them! :P
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@John if I did that, I'd probably get fired.
 
@agent86 :(
 
also, not very many people need my other skills, I am awesome at C, but really, I mean, the K&R book is like 60 pages long
if you can't figure out how to use memcpy, you shouldn't be programming.
 
6:03 PM
Join Gardening, then. They need your help!
 
@agent86 Because spending your time looking at pictures of cats is much more productive.
 
@Wipqozn clearly.
 
@agent86 Because looking at pictures of cats is way more productive than helping more people.
 
@Ullallulloo Beat you to it. Take THAT!
 
Darn it, @Wipqozn!
 
6:04 PM
@GraceNote gardening? I know that there's dirt outside. I don't like it there. the sun burns
and it smells like... outside
ew
 
@Wipqozn You even beat me to talking about beating me to it. D:
 
@Ullallulloo It's just not your day today.
 
Anybody else have a Kindle Fire? Is it expected that I can't access StackExchange from it?
 
Yes
Kindle Fire is not currently supported.
 
6:07 PM
catoverflow?
 
Is that due to issues with the Silk browser?
 
Yes, in fact
 
OK, I figured as much. Luckily I don't really need it, but it would be nice to be able to access the site while travelling.
 
@DavidB Propose it. I'm sure it would make a worthwhile addition to the site.
 
@bwarner Did you try the mobile site?
 
6:17 PM
(what does committing to a proposal entail?)
 
@DavidB It means that you're promising to ask or answer 10 questions before the site launches and view it a lot.
 
ah, darn - I can't promise that
thanks
 
You get 50 rep on Area 51 for following through with it, but there's no penalty for not other than not being able to commit on another site until it launches or fails.
Oh, snap.
 
You know, I keep seeing @Ullallulloo's avatar and thinking someone should paste Clippy's eyes on it.
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I just noticed that I'm committed to 3 sites in beta...I was not aware of that...
 
6:36 PM
Boom! Photoshop'd!
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@RonanForman Whose is that 11th costume?
 
@ArdaXi It is I, although it was made by @RonanForman
 
Awesome.
 
@Wipqozn I just searched Google with that image:
 
6:41 PM
@Ullallulloo w....what?
I don't even...what?
 
@Wipqozn Who are you? What is this place?
 
Google says that it thinks the Hitler of snuggling is a gravel truck.
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@Ullallulloo The next time I'm all upset, and need someone to hold onto I'll seek out the nearest gravel truck.
 
because it'll be as good as snuggling hitler?
 
Holy cow, Gaming.SE is higher than Server Fault in the site directory. Does this mean we should start using SOGU instead of SOFU?
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6:58 PM
Sorry to burst the bubble, but isn't that only by traffic? I think SF beats us every other way
 

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