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8:00 PM
@fredley You'll aprecite this
I've been reading up On Drupal 8, and the best change they made going from 7->8 is that they completely replaced their old template system (which was all PHP) with the TWIG template engine, which is basically just PHP version of the Django template system. So, basically, the best way to make a templte system in PHP is to just not use PHP at all.
 
@Wipqozn Amazing. So the whole 'mix html and php' thing never happens?
 
@fredley No. In fact they won't even validate PHP anymore. It just prints it out as plain text.
 
@Wipqozn 10/10
 
Should certainly make for template files which don't look like ass
PHP devs should take note and make it so PHP8 is just a fork of Python which doesn't change anything
 
PHP devs should change careers.
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8:04 PM
@Sterno cc @Wipqozn
 
@Sterno And/or learn computer science
 
@Wipqozn isn't that still PHP tho?
@Wipqozn please don't mutilate my beautiful language
 
@badp Behind the scenes yes, but at least the templates will be readable now
 
@Wipqozn IOW, look for fun incompatibilities
some of which will be the fault of django, I'm sure
 
I had to pick up PHP for a client project I was on. Not a fan.
Although, I'm pretty sure I built something that PHP wasn't really intended to do when it was first conceived.
 
8:13 PM
@Ellesedil PHP wasn't really intended to do much of anything when it was first conceived
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I developed a project using PHP in the past. You can do stuff, but it doesn't always do the expected stuff.
 
Actually, it was basically supposed to be an HTML template language, so it's funny how that's changed
 
I went to school with a guy who used php for his data mining class.
 
> We have things like protected properties. We have abstract methods. We have all this stuff that your computer science teacher told you you should be using. I don't care about this crap at all.
> There are people who actually like programming. I don't understand why they like programming.
Or, possibly the best
> I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say "Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that." I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests.
 
8:15 PM
They could use any language they want, and he went with php since it was his favorite language.
 
> For all the folks getting excited about my quotes. Here is another - Yes, I am a terrible coder, but I am probably still better than you :)
unarguably the best
 
> I don't know how to stop it, there was never any intent to write a programming language [...] I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language, I just kept adding the next logical step on the way.
 
It is a terrible quote, but it is better than the ones you posted.
 
@murgatroid99 That explains so much
 
@fredley this is my favorite
 
8:17 PM
@fredley Alex, what is not caring about scalability?
 
I'll just restart apache 10 times is a horrifying sentence.
 
@Frank It really does. And that's what I meant with my comment above. It was originally just a shitty little scripting language to speed up a couple of development tasks.
 
@murgatroid99 Apparently people liked it enough to keep bolting on more shit.
 
@Frank Well, if you just need to do all of the particular things it does, plus one other thing that just takes a little work to add, then PHP might seem like a good choice
Also, my favorite quote from Fractal of Bad Design:
> PHP was originally designed explicitly for non-programmers (and, reading between the lines, non-programs); it has not well escaped its roots.
 
PHP - "If you build it, they will come": A Warning
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8:27 PM
@fredley hahaha
 
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Q: Forza Horizon 3 windows 10 how to download to computer and install the game?

user3170763I recently purchased Forza Horizon 3 from amazon. They sent me a redeem code. I redeemed it and now I cant find the download button so I can install the game on my pc. It says coming soon. But the game is already released. Look at the screenshot below.

 
8:42 PM
wat
 
We just need absolutely no one to vote.
 
@Sterno pls
 
Actually, that'd end up with a Trump win, I think. :(
 
Is there a minimum turnout for the vote to be valid?
 
@Sterno It would probably result in Obama remaining president
 
8:48 PM
I am certain that is not the case.
 
@Sterno Pretty sure it is
 
Who cares that scenario literally won't happen
 
If no one votes, then that means no new president was elected, therefore no change in office
 
#GiantMeteor2016
 
Going to name my first redshirt "@Wipqozn"
 
8:49 PM
Then nobody would vote
 
@Unionhawk you need to belieeeeeeeeeeeeeve
 
That's less likely than an electoral college deadlock resulting in a johnson victory from the congress
 
@Sterno I'M FAMOUS
 
@Wipqozn maybe until another election can be started
 
That's less likely than johnson taking one state
That's less likely than Jill Stein getting one vote in some states
 
8:49 PM
But basically the house will decide
 
That's less likely than @Sterno being elected
 
So we'll have 4 years of no president while they argue
 
@KevinvanderVelden Which is why I said I think it would go to Trump.
 
Naah, they'll argue for 4 years
 
My roommates seem to believe that johnson would get a majority
and I'm like "no"
in the situation that it goes to the house due to deadlock
 
8:53 PM
@Unionhawk Does the house just need a simple majority?
 
I believe so, but it must be a majority (a plurality is not good enough)
 
You guys should all just vote for trump for "the lulz". Pretty sure @Sterno was suggesting that the other day.
 
@Wipqozn I'd rather vote for Batman.
 
@Ellesedil Wouldn't everyone?
 
@murgatroid99 I dunno. I hear he's killing and torturing people now.
 
8:58 PM
Bah, It looks like I have to do this output by hand, because apparently I can't get the right set of flags to get stringstream to do it properly
Mind you, I don't know why I didn't do it by hand to begin with, as it seems like that would be easier.
But, now it's home time.
 
@MBraedley That is correct
 
9:25 PM
Well, my two officers are "@Wipqozn" and "Wipqozn's Mom", and my one ship is the "USS Wipqozn Sucks"
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@Sterno With that much Wipqozn there's no way you can fail!
 
But now I have to stop playing and get back to Avadon
 
> Modernizr is a small piece of JavaScript code that automatically detects the availability of next-generation web technologies in your user's browsers. Rather than blacklisting entire ranges of browsers based on “UA sniffing,” Modernizr uses feature detection to allow you to easily tailor your user's experiences based on the actual capabilities of their browser.
 
@Sterno Is this just in jest, or are you playing an actual game?
 
@Ellesedil Halycon 6
 
9:33 PM
huh.
wtf did you people do?
you broke chat!
 
@KutuluMike Did you meet Tom Meddley?
 
i assumed someone was trying to rebecca black me and chose not to
bug: porkchat did not warn me
@Wipqozn all of the Visual Studio web projects include modernizr out of the box, since 2012 or 2013.
 
Good
 
ok, that is going to get seriously annoying
 
Just disable porkchat
All it does is ruin the surprise of rebecca black videos
 
9:43 PM
i don't think it's running on this machine.
oh right. i forgot.
google chrome syncs extensions doesn't it?
 
@KutuluMike If you're logged in, I think so.
 
 
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10:49 PM
oh is @fredley still breaking the bridge with his mad hax?
@Wipqozn why didn't you fix it yet? you know php
 
@GodEmperorDune You can't fix PHP
 
@Wipqozn not fix php, fix the @fredley phishing warning
also i believe i was supposed to ping @ronan a lot while he slept
so @Ronan could be as popular as @Wipqozn
therefore cc @ronan
 
I'm mangling this kit, trying to put LEDs into it.
It's...working, but it's definitely a challenge.
 
11:12 PM
@GodEmperorDune I finally got the damn thing I needed in Tinker so I'm upgrading all my stuff
 
@twobugs yussss
i finally killed an annoying mud boss
(with 15% hit chance)
and it was replaced by another mud guy (with 20% hit chance)
 
11:34 PM
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PeanutThere's a name that I'd like to get for Minecraft as my name change. I don't want anyone else taking it before me, so is there any way to change my name without them trying to take it also? I can change my name right now and don't need to wait.

 
@Frank thanks I flagged
 
@Frank yay, got my marshal
 
@Alex You don't need to comment on it.
 
11:51 PM
 
Argh. The official protobuf packages recently updated to 3.1.0, and the change breaks our dependencies on it in at least 3 languages
 
@murgatroid99 -Just swap over to PHP.Problem solved!
 
@Yuuki cc @Wipqozn @fredley @Dragonrage on that Arthropodic pun
 

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