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12:02 AM
I'm playing Deus Ex:HR for the first time
I'm learning I'm bad at stealth
I think I've killed Jensen over a dozen times in the first two hours
 
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Game Recomendation

Proposed Q&A site for people that want recommendations for games, or consoles.

Currently in definition.

 
@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment rekt
 
Streaming
twitch.tv/mbraedley
 
12:23 AM
damn, you get a free drink for creating a starbucks card? cool
 
Cc @Wipqozn @GodEmperorDune
 
12:46 AM
Aaahhhh I just got the pun
Dammit dragonrage
 
@arda :)
 
@arda It's a pretty terrible name, but I was mostly worried about writing all the words and I'll figure out a name later.
 
@arda A lot of companies do this because they desperately want your data :P
 
1:08 AM
@twobugs pray your gameplay isn't further improved
@arda A FREE DRINK?!?!?! I HOPE IT'S A STRONG ONE SO YOU CAN FORGET EVER HAVING GONE TO A STARBUCKS
@StrixVaria you should name it something catchy like Big Smurf × Trump × Reader. Now that's an eye catcher
 
Ok, Flux definitely helps. It just turned off for a fraction of second while I was installing that and MY EYES ARE ON FIRE
@twobugs I guess
@badp most coffee here sucks so Starbucks actually makes you forget those
I might drop by our Chem teacher's husband's coffee shop next week. It is considered best in Ankara by some, but it is waay too far away from me
 
O Canada! You're way cooler than Russia
Etc etc etc beat the Russian team!
 
1:24 AM
0
Q: Fallout Shelter Mr. Handy Gone Forever?

Chairman MeowSo Mr. Handy died while battling raiders. It's body is on the floor in a room. I know I can revive Mr. Handy by clicking on it's body BUT I accidentally removed that room while rearranging rooms. Is Mr. Handy gone forever or is there a way for me to get him back?

 
@StrixVaria that's me when making games. Sometimes even the idea or story is not ready for a long time
Writing code without being totally sure on ideas is a terrible idea though. So much rewritten Code.
 
@Lazers2.0 Body must be at least 30 characters; you entered 4. ... But the answer is just Yes! How I could type that 10 times I suppose but...
 
2:03 AM
0
Q: Is Fury Cutter & X-Scissor the optimal moveset for Pinsir?

jrenniehttp://www.pokemongodb.net/ selects "optimal" moves by DPS. But, it seems to me that lower DPS can yield higher overall DPS. For example, a lower DPS fast move might be better if it generates more energy per second. A lower DPS charge move might be better if it takes more time (allocating more ov...

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Q: Should I always level up a gem ASAP?

ChaseCThe UI will tell me to left click the + button to level up a gem, but it also tells me to right click on it and I can dismiss the leveling up process. Should I always level up the skill gems or is there ever a reason not to?

 
2:33 AM
Welp. Been a while since a game blew my mind as much as Virginia just did. Damn.
 
hi anyone familiar with git, sourcetree and eclipse?
 
This wasn't tonight, but it's still worthy of mention
@Aequitas I use eclipse at work. Not sure that really means I'm familiar with it.
 
@MBraedley I used it too when I worked, unfortunately everything was already set up and what I need help with is setting it up.
Basically i'm trying to set up an eclipse project in sourcetree
 
What's your problem?
Well, I've never used sourcetree
 
the problem is I cant get the gitignore to work
it's just a GUI for git basically
 
2:40 AM
That seems to just be an issue with git.
 
so whenever I just open up my project I end up with like 50 modified files
 
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Q: Can I Bring Back The Empire?

Tom RibbertryWhen I started the game I joined the Stormclocks.. Because it was the only quest I had. And I kind of regret joining the Stormclocks. Well I finished "Battle for Whiterun" and now theres a new jarl and every guard is now a Stormcloack. If I used console commands to delete the main quests, would t...

 
what platform are you one?
(also, you may want some of those files in git anyway.)
 
yeh they've all been pushed to git in the initial commit, but now I want to just forget about them
what do you mean by platform? i'm on windows?
or do you mean github?
 
OS is what I meant
 
2:43 AM
i looked it up, "stop tracking" is apparently what I want, but I click it and nothing happens
 
so there are basically 3 classes of files: those that must be committed (and pushed), those that are never committed (and shouldn't be in the initial commit anyway, and are generally auto-generated files), and those that everyone needs, but shouldn't be pushed back to the main repo (i.e. config files that a dev might need to change)
Only the third category should be in the ignore list.
If that's not the case, you need to rejig some things.
 
it's mostly files in the Eclipse/.metadata file
i'm assuming no one needs them after the first one (or maybe not even the first one)
 
Those shouldn't be in the repo to begin with.
 
oh
basically I just pushed the entire project folder
 
depending on the language, only things like a .project file should be in the repo.
 
2:47 AM
i'm guessing not right?
 
Some files in that folder might need to live in the repo, but definitely not everything
You want to have anything that you need for configuring the project, but nothing else.
 
okay I guess I should start again then
so in the Eclipse folder
i'm guessing, I don't push .metadata or .recommenders?
 
I don't know for sure
 
okay I'll try find some sort of guide for this
 
but anything that's auto generated shouldn't be in version control
 
2:50 AM
 
if it could change during the build step, don't add it to the repo
the only exception I know of, off hand, is eclipse .project files for C++ projects, because those hold a bunch of environment variables needed for teams to build properly.
 
what's the command to go back to a previous commit, putting all the commits you're going past into the unstaged changes?
 
No idea.
@badp probably knows though
 
okay it wasn't mixed reset, probably soft hehe
oh no it was mixed reset
no i don't know what i've done
 
@Aequitas sad but true
 
 
@ton.yeung I liked Git Extensions.. Source Tree still sends me for a WTF thats not what I wanted to do every now and again.
 
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Q: How can I make progress on the "stick it to ya" challenge?

KatThe challenge is to kill 15 enemies by using boarder spikes. I somehow have nine, though I'm not sure when or how I got them. Enemies never seem to land on the spikes when they try to jump on my car. I've also tried "nudging" them with the spikes, but it doesn't seem to count. A bit of googling...

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Q: "Battle.net is unable to identify your application version" in Wine (Linux)

WolfIn downgrading my patched 1.14 install to the mod-compatible 1.13 version, I received the following error: "Battle.net is unable to identify your application version" Most sites say that this indicates a permissions issue and that the user should run the exe in Windows XP Compatibility Mode (rig...

 
holy shit I don't know how to do it
can't find any good guides
 
3:53 AM
OK, I'm getting kind of frustrated with Halo 5 Warzone. I just got matched against a coordinated team as a random (basically a guaranteed loss). I left because I didn't want to waste my time, and when I tried to join another game, I got a join-in-progress in what I'm pretty sure was the same game.
Then I tried again, and got another join-in-progress in a clearly lost game with my team basically completely pinned.
 
@MBraedley
it's goin well!
-.-
 
 
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6:17 AM
 
Indeed
 
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Q: my command says data tag parsing failed:unbalanced quotation, help me edit my command

Fundamentalistheres the command generated from one of the online sites. /give @p leather_helmet 1 0 {display:{Name:"Nightslash Helm",Lore:["Legendary helmet found only in a secret hideout."]},ench:[{id:0,lvl:9999},{id:1,lvl:99999},{id:2,lvl:99999},{id:3,lvl:999999},{id:4,lvl:999999},{id:5,lvl:99999},{id:6,lvl...

 
7:02 AM
0
Q: Cant Kill Mirrak

Tom RibbertryI was playing the main questline for skyrim intell I encounter my first dragon. When I kill it, nothing happens. I dont absorb his soul.. I thought it was some sort of bug so I posted about it on another website. They say I should try completing the Dragonborn DLC and see if that helps (I have Sk...

 
7:32 AM
0
Q: UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: ACCESS_VIOLATION (C0000005)

WolfUNHANDLED EXCEPTION: ACCESS_VIOLATION (C0000005) This error can signify a variety of issues but what does it mean in the context of Diablo II, and what is the workaround? (Also sometimes shows as an empty white box with a red X icon...)

 
@arda Wow, this game is amazing. Story is great, gameplay is great (me it's an incremental), graphics are great and the songs... They revive old memories.
 
8:16 AM
@fredley :(
 
8:45 AM
'When Mr MacIntosh died his son'
 
8:55 AM
no wonder the media is dying
 
9:13 AM
E R R O R
 
'@badp is on fire'
 
now you have to walk over to me to make sure that ain't true
 
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Q: Do you have to be near a gym to collect defender bonus?

MasoodI want to leave a couple of Pokémon in gyms, but the nearest gyms to me are still some distance away and I can't go there every day. If I leave Pokémon there as gym defenders, can I collect the bonus at home or do I need to be within range of the gym? Thanks!

 
 
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10:19 AM
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Q: There are no hotels in Thelos!

hjpotter92I am currently ~4 hours into "Zenith". I've recently infiltrated the Mages' sactuary/stronghold. After completing that particular segment, the game objective is now: Meet Alana at the hotel in Thelos The Thelos city consists of a Palace, 2 fountains/parks and a vendors' street. I can not ...

 
10:41 AM
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Q: Will the foreign legion disappear if I switch ideology in Civilization 5 Brave New World

Сашко ЛихенкоSay I have chosen the Volunteer Army from Freedom ideology. Will the summoned troops disappear if I then switch the ideology?

 
11:09 AM
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Q: Burning iso to dvd for ps2 games doesn't work - problem with NFSC and PAL?

Marina CooperI was trying to burn an iso ps2 game file to dvd to play games on my modified ps2. I burned it with ImgBurn, first at the speed of 1x (as read in guides) but the ps2 didn't read it, then I tried with the speed AWS, but the result was the same. I've read that it could be that the dvd is NFSC whi...

 
 
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12:14 PM
@fredley 2016 really is the end of times
 
12:31 PM
Tempted to buy and walk around with a Maga cap. I wonder how people would react
(I'll not buy it directly from trump for president llc to not support him ofc)
Haha it's out of stock in aliexpress
 
user needs burninating for ban evasion. (as well as continuing to shitpost)
 
@TrentHawkins Man, I hate 12 year olds
Well luckily destroying a user is super easy
and the system kicks in pretty quickly, so he was already autobanned from answering
 
hurray!
 
Just continue to flag / ping mods in chat if you see them coming back with alts
like feel free to ping me, since I'll be quicker to respond
 
12:49 PM
Right, forgot to ping. Figured the problem was ultimately self-solving, Just mod-flagged one of the answers and mentioned it in chat to bring attention to the ban evasion.
 
hi
visited after a long time here
@Wipqozn what about chatting where you had made me learn how to manage a room

 clash of clan talks

a room only for some users and coc
 
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Q: Game Title Question

Andrew FernstromWhat is the game trailer -- saw it a few weeks back -- where a man wakes up in a hospital and some Freudian looking old man shows him a picture that is supposedly him, standing next to four or five other GIs in some middle Eastern location. In the background you see a woman in black leather shoo...

 
@microbuster why would we go there? There's 1 user there while there are many here
 
i wanna talk with Wipqozn separately
@KevinvanderVelden
 
1:23 PM
@microbuster What do you need to chat about?
 
1:40 PM
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Q: Pokemon go spinning pokestops problem

MorfittI have a problem with pokemon go and the problem is that i can catch pokemon but spinning pokestops it keeps saying try again later. What do i do? Or what happened

 
2:14 PM
For those of you who don't know, he's the pitcher from the relatively famous "did you catch that?" gif.
 
2:40 PM
@Yuuki Shit, no way :(
 
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Q: A chain of duplicate Minecraft questions

Rudolf L. JelínekToday, this question ablout Minecraft was asked: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) (-2 net votes) it was put on hold as off-topic because it seemed to be about modded Minecraft crashing. But as the OP said later, his Minecraft crashes even when without mods. I was about to put a flag to re...

 
@TimStone It's been confirmed. :|
 
-1
Q: how to get your own command block

oscarmawerok everyone...need some advise on command blocks?listen I have it...wait...I am swareing ant I...never mind...any way to get a command block go on google and put in(minecarft mods)...then enter.done?ok good!now click on/find the command block mod and...erm...se what it said...(I never got one -_-...

 
Doing some cleaning and found an old webcam, so I decided to try it out...
I don't think it's a keeper...
(that's the chat room by the way)
There's probably something dumb/interesting I can do with it, but nothing comes to mind atm...
 
Huh, mirror image
 
2:50 PM
Yeah the Win10 camera app mirrors it be default
Couldn't see a setting to unmirror it, and didn't care enough to open the win7 photo app.
Could it be the win 10 camera app just not using this camera properly?
I doubt there is an autofocus or anything to mess up though...
Hmm I think it might be broken too?
Mine is missing the black hood thing at the top.
Oh this was 2003
Makes sense
Oh wow it was a privacy shade.
 
impressive
 
You're supposed to flip to hood down and then boom privacy.
Oh it has a mic too.
 
i expect its svga 640x480
 
t offers the same 640-by-480 resolution as th
boom
 
3:08 PM
0
Q: Can the Tournament creator kick out undesired players before the Tournament starts?

JoshDMSome guy in my clan accidentally started his first 100 gem tournament (to get the 100 gem, plus XP, plus card chance payback), but he forgot to tap Password Protected before he started it (even though we instructed him to do so several times). The Tournament immediately filled with undesirables,...

 
3:20 PM
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Q: How to turn off Steam privacy settings

WolfGOG Connect warns to "Make sure your Steam Privacy Settings & Profile Status are set to public" but doesn't specify how. I don't see an option for this in the Steam app's settings. What do I need to change to set this info as public?

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Q: Can this setup run Overwatch?

SaudateHas anyone ever tried or is currently playing Overwatch with this hardware combination? Core i3 3217u 1.8 Ghz 6 GB Ram Intel HD 4000 shared or Nvidia 620m dedicated The Battle.net support site (https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/7636) states that the minimum is an i3 w/ at least 4 gig...

 
Site seems down
 
try again
 
I first wrote https but it doesn't support https
 
3:45 PM
0
Q: Problem with DLC pack for Payday 2 PS4?

rcdI recently bought the $35 Payday DLC. It mentioned new missions and items etc. but when I play the game, I'm only seeing the few new missions that came with the patch already. How do I access the DLC content?

 
well that was exciting
Someone in the unit next to mine left their stove on with a pot on it, and it got super smokey.
 
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Q: Looking for a replacement monitor for 1980's Centipede arcade machine

Rich MaesI have been hunting around to find a replacement flat panel monitor to replace the honking CRT in a 1980's Atari centipede machine. The existing monitor supports 15Khz RGB which is not really component video or VGA. I have seen several converters for CGA to VGA, but I am not 100% certain that t...

 
MY unit is fine, but fire department came and all that. Folks all outside.
FUN TIMES
 
woah
glad you're ok
 
hahah I developed (more like googled) so much in the last month that I just got an enthusiast badge on SO
 
3:58 PM
@fredley Me as well. Cat is fine too.
Can stil smell a bit of smoke in my apartment
will be febreeze city all up in here soon
@fredley If it wasn't for my cat I may have just stayed in the unit, but if the smoke got into my unit didn't want to go running down a hallway with the cat.
cc @Unionhawk on that video
 
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also I should get some grapes
 
Daaaaamn.
It's pretty telling about the election climate when that comment has 8 gilds.
 
@Wipqozn oh man, I'll have to watch that later
 
@Unionhawk yeah I'm going to grape up some grapes ten watch it
 
4:05 PM
@Yuuki loool
 
@Wipqozn Hey!
@Wipqozn Got any grapes?
 
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Q: Where do i find the quill of gemination under lake honrich in skyrim

Trystan PostIve tried to do this quest once or twice and I have no idea where to find it. It wont even show me where its at. And im playin it on the ps3.

 
@Yuuki what DOES happen if one of them were to die now?
 
@badp Their party would be scrambling to find a replacement.
 
I bet they wouldn't be scrambling as much as you'd think
 
4:16 PM
And if Trump dies/is killed, his supporters will start yelling about more conspiracies.
 
Especially whatever party trump is in
 
@GnomeSlice without Hilary, Sanders was on her heals and a popular choice. Without Trump... Cruz stuck it out the longest, but he is widely disliked.
 
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Q: How to create a detailed map of Pokemon 4th Generation Games?

Zach HilmanI was looking to create a complete map of pokemon platinum and soulsilver similar to this one for red and blue: (but without all the pokemon on it) Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Zach

 
why, who's the Trump replacement?
oh wait. It's Not Trump
That's good enough right?
Himn't's going to be a better candidate.
 
Wouldn't it be the spoon pence?
 
4:24 PM
also fuck EA for making it a pain to play Most Wanted 2005, the only real NFS game.
I'm so not getting a physical copy, and there's no way to buy it digital
 
@fredley Yes?
I bought some earlier today
 
oh it's a refernce
I've only watched that once and forgot it
that must noe b the official video
no way it has only 400k views
 
@badp didn't you already have it? It was free on Origin couple months ago
I guess slightly more than a couple months
 
4:40 PM
@Chippies that's the new one
from 2012
not the 2005 one
 
@badp no it's not, why would they give that one away for free?
or you were responding to the first part of message?
 
the 2005 game is not on Origin, so it couldn't have been on the house
 
@badp then... how come I own it on Origin?
 
@Chippies the 2005 one?
 
sims 2 isnt on origin either
 
4:41 PM
 
wait uhh I uhh
 
I guess without the 5-1-0 bit
 
I was 100% sure I had the 2005 one...
 
:(
 
my whole last 7 months have been a lie :(
well, I guess there's always piratebay...
@arda it is and that was free on the house
 
4:44 PM
the old one has 15 people on the most wanted list
 
you probably can't buy it anymore though
they had it on the house before taking it off the store
 
and you actually had to buy cars and upgrades with cash
 
@Chippies it was (for the second part). It is not available for purchase, that's what I meant
 
I never played the 2012 one and I doubt I ever will, it looks like garbage
 
I've completed it
 
4:45 PM
also is that the one that had physics locked to fps?
 
for lack of better things to play
it's... not good
 
or did they patch that?
 
@Chippies no, the game I played runs at 60fps
maybe 60fps locked, but my monitor is 60Hz so whatever
the one TB made a video about is a newer title I think
 
@badp I think it may have been a problem if you unlocked the fps and went above 60
 
@Unionhawk WIND WAKER IS NEXT GET HYPED
 
4:45 PM
or maybe it was a newer title, not sure
 
and that one is locked at 30fps
 
I encountered fps-locked-physics yesterday playing Spec Ops: The Line
 
WIND WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS
@Chippies D:
 
@badp WAKE ME UP WHEN 2016 ENDS
 
@arda 2016 WILL END BUT SEPTEMBER IS ETERNAL
 
4:46 PM
there's a mission where you have to run away from a helicopter that shoots at you and I'm running it at 77 fps vsync
I spent 10+ minutes dying over and over until I looked it up and "turning vsync on" is supposed to help
which I read as "lock the fps to 60 or 30"
 
if you're pirating MW05, make sure it's the black label edition
 
so I did lock the fps at 30 and I finished the mission on first attempt :/
 
it has a few tiny fun extras, but one of them is the police chase where you're driving a cement mixer
and you want that
 
other than that stupid part though, I haven't encountered any issues by running it at 77 fps
@badp can you even pirate a non-black edition? I doubt they're around
 
dunno
 
4:49 PM
back in 2005'ish even I don't think I saw any non-black versions
 
I was actually looking into it earlier today, and took a minute to realize torrentz.eu is now an empty husk, and all it was doing was link you to pages with torrents. Such is the state we're in nowadays
it didn't even provide magnet URLs directly
 
piratebay seems to be currently having a maintenance
 
which would've been one level of indirection
torrentz.eu was two levels separate
 
5 times out of 7 it will have a maintenance whenever I go on it
 
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Q: Can I start NG+ from a previously finished NG+ (i.e. NG++)?

kotekzotThe last time I completed a run of Deus Ex with a regular game (not new game plus), I got the option to overwrite the old new game plus data, however after finishing the game in new game plus mode, I got no such prompt and on starting a new NG+, it started with the same stuff I had when I finishe...

 
5:03 PM
these lighting puzzles in witnss are just really tedious and annoying
not sure why he has so manyo f the damn things
 
@Wipqozn ar you looking for the mystical vovl
 
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Q: How do you use block in other hand

user167269How do you use the block in other hand in Minecraft 1.10.2?

 
5:19 PM
Well. I have bronchitis, and my body has lost its ability to regulate temperature. 95 degrees is too cold, and 65 degrees is too hot.
There is no inbetween
 
@Fluttershy 95 degrees is too cold and 65 degrees is too hot?
 
@Wipqozn Yeah, that area sucked.
 
@Yuuki yes
 
5:37 PM
@Wipqozn There are worse puzzles, IMHO
 
6:11 PM
0
Q: Dismiss ship after finishing contract

vianna77Regarding those contracts about placing a satellite (or something else) around some planet or moon... May I dismiss them after the contract is fulfilled? Or there is some kind of penalty if I do that (like, the company not making new contracts with me again) ?

 
6:25 PM
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Q: What to do as an ADC when the team just won't group for objectives

bolovLately I've been encountering this problem a lot in ranked gold V: mid game and beyond, when ahead the team won't group for objectives. For instance after taking the mid inhib, they either stay mid and achieve nothing, roam randomly alone or in groups of 2 in their jungle, chase/harass them in ju...

 
@Fluttershy everything is terrible!
 
6:52 PM
Has anyone here written a Don't Starve mod?
 
Holy shit there must have been a car vs bike accident
 
7:09 PM
0
Q: How do I get enemies to scale (Borderlands 2)

Andrew ElliottOK so I'm going through play through 2 and I'm trying to farm for an Unkempt Harold, but Savage Lee is level 35 and I'm level 46 now. How do I get him to scale to level so I can farm for Unkempt harold on my level.

 
7:20 PM
0
Q: vertical thrusters don't work during docking

JayI took my first mission and flew to the outpost. It had an external dock for me to land at. When I got positioned over the dock the vertical thrusters refused to work. When I was away from the station they seemed to. What's up? setup: On the way to the station I heard 'main fuel tank exhausted...

 
7:47 PM
0
Q: Some interesting Arqade vote statistics

Rudolf L. JelínekIn this post, I'll compare some vote statistics from Arqade, Ask Ubuntu and Worldbuilding Stackexchange sites: Highest voted posts: Arqade How can I tell if a corpse is safe to eat? - 392 votes, 22k views Is Angry Birds deterministic? - 303 votes, 19k views Where is the "impossible space"

 
til: @Frank has 20k downvotes
 
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Q: I constantly get killed by a command block in minecraft 1.11, how can I fix this?

aroncraft09I keep getting killed by a command block in minecraft 1.11, and I can't type anything, how to fix this?

 
8:04 PM
0
Q: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Error

JorisWhenever I try to launch Blade & Soul through the launcher I get a Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Error. It says: Runtime Error! Program: C:\Program Files (x86)\NCSOFT\BnS\bin\Client.exe This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the application...

 
8:20 PM
Today is WhARRRRRRRRgARRRRRRRRbl Like A Pirate Day
please trill responsibly.
 
8:35 PM
0
Q: Can a Pokemon have more than one status conditions at the same time?

CybersonI was playing Omega Ruby over the week and my Gardevoir was paralyzed by Gloom's use of Stun Spore. Then, the wild Gloom used Sleep Powder and it told me that the move failed. Is this because my Gardevoir was already afflicted with Paralysis or because of some other factor?

 
Night
 
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Q: Redstone engines stopped working, due to chunk onload and right on the boundary?

Lasse V. KarlsenWhen I got back to my base after an extended hike in the surrounding area I noticed that 5 redstone engines was stopped dead. These were fitted right next to each other, on a straight line, each operating a wooden transport pipe in order to empty my automatic processing blocks (furnace, automatic...

 
THAT IS VERY MUCH FINE
 
8:50 PM
I look at let's encrypt and cloudflare. Then I look at all those news websites that don't even have ssl.
 
Do you really need SSL for reading the news?
 
@murgatroid99 but what if I don't want anyone to know what news I've read so when they ask me about it I can pretend I didn't know?
 
Do you normally have conversations with people who intercept your Internet traffic?
 
If I did, you'd think they'd tell me they intercept my internet traffic?
I generally don't ask if they do
although you're making me reconsider my life choices
 
But if they don't tell you, then they just have to go along with your pretending
 
8:54 PM
That is a very good point, I did not think of that
however, they could be silently judging me and, as we all know, that's one of the worst things that can happen to you in a first world country
no one likes to be silently judged
 
9:06 PM
@murgatroid99 SSL EVERYWHERE!
 
TIL that @murgatroid99 hates privacy and is secretly skynet watching @Chippies read the news
 
@badp accurate
 
@Wipqozn I mean, if you personally need privacy while reading the news, you can read it through a VPN or a proxy or tor.
 
@murgatroid99 TIL that @murgatroid99 knows how to hack into a VPN, proxy, or tor, and frequently does so to spy on @Chippies reading the news
 
@murgatroid99 I think the point is that encryption should have been built into the internet from the beginning. If it had, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
9:11 PM
TIL that I read news
Up until today I thought all my news came from Bridge
 
TIL that @Chippies is an AI that lives on the bridge, and is in a love-hate relationship with Skynet (aka @murgatroid99)
 
@MBraedley Public-key cryptography wasn't even public knowledge at that time
 
@murgatroid99 Yeah it was.
 
@MBraedley if it had been, it probably would be outdated by now and we'd be having the conversation anyway
 
@murgatroid99 1) I like putting https before links. 2) https is faster when loading images, and well I'd rather not have the page filled with images of clickbait news, but it is filled with that crap, so let's make it faster, shall we? 3) Privacy. Our government, from what I heard, does DPI.
 
9:15 PM
> 246% slower than HTTP
 
It is pretty much a hit and miss, try again.
 
Yeah, it's repeatably slower
Also
> Plaintext HTTP/1.1 is compared against encrypted HTTP/2 HTTPS on a non-caching, nginx server with a direct, non-proxied connection.
That's apples and oranges
 
@murgatroid99 maybe. My internet is slow (faster than average turkish speeds though), and https is muuch faster.
 
HTTP2 is a different protocol specifically designed to improve the performance of parallel downloads. The fact that they're images is kind of tangential
 
It is apples and oranges. Not a meaningful test. Still, https is only a little slower these days than unencrypted connections
 
9:18 PM
http https -- Most servers of news sites likely use http/1.1 considering their old hardware, but let me check
 
Now, it's true that the HTTP/2 spec says that you have to run it over TLS, but the performance improvement you're seeing is almost definitely from the HTTP/2 part
 
whatever, you might have a point on that, but 3 is pretty much unarguable.
I don't want turkish govt to know I'm reading news about coup.
 
As I said, there are options for privacy other than TLS
 
@murgatroid99 Tor and VPNs just push the problem down the line.
 
/off to sleep
 
9:22 PM
They are not a replacement for end to end encryption
 
@MBraedley What do you mean, in this case? The important thing in this situation is that you don't want people to associate you with the news that you read. If you can use a VPN or proxy to dissociate yourself with the content, that should be sufficient.
 
You are not completely disassociated from the content. You can be spied on by the proxy or VPN provider quite easily.
 
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@MBraedley Even with end-to-end encryption, you can be spied on by the news site. At some point, you have to choose to trust somebody
 
@murgatroid99 I'd much rather put my trust in the end provider rather than a middle man.
 
9:28 PM
Anyway, my original point was just that most people don't really care about that level of security when accessing publicly available content, and those sites have to weigh that against the cost of enabling TLS
 
@murgatroid99 The cost is next to nil for pretty much every medium or large site.
It's only an issue for sites with shared hosting
Which, by definition, are small sites.
 
Somebody still has to do to the work. And then you need to test it and maintain it.
 
@murgatroid99 Same costs for not implementing TLS. If you don't believe that, you're fooling yourself.
 
Well, I don't see how doing something and not doing that thing have the same cost.
 
You have to maintain and test your site anyway. Adding TLS doesn't change that.
The only additional testing is falling back to unecrypted connections, but why would you want that anyway?
 
9:36 PM
Except that now you also have to maintain the certificate, and do additional tests to make sure your site correctly redirects http to https, and handle certificate revocation, and add another library to the list of vulnerabilities to watch for.
 
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Okay, fine, it is a bit extra. But any site that allows you to sign in really does need TLS, and these days it's really only small sites that don't have that.
 
Yeah, that's a different matter. If you have any sort of login, you need TLS
 
So if you need it already for a part of the site, there's basically no cost for the rest of the site.
 
Right. But I was originally talking about the case where the site doesn't have any sort of login or user data, and only distributes free public content
 
9:44 PM
Unless your site is completely static, you probably need encryption for something already. So implement it for everything.
 
That's kind of orthogonal. You can easily have dynamic content generated from a central source without needing encryption
For example, I just pulled up cnn.com (the first news site I thought of). As far as I can tell, it doesn't have any login or any other user data, just news
 
But, as @arda has said, there is good reason to already have that connection encrypted. If you want to talk about, say, a wordpress blog, then maybe you have a point. But, if the blog is big enough to need dedicated or VPS hosting, you're probably going to want to offer your readers the option to encrypt anyways.
And if you're going to argue again that there are additional costs with deploying https, let me just say that you can get certs for free now, and there are easy to follow instructions for deploying those certs.
 
There's still labor costs. Somebody still has to do the work
And I could definitely imagine some bigger companies mistrusting Let's Encrypt (Why are they giving it away for free? What do they get out of the deal? Is it really as good as a certificate that you pay for?)
 
If I managed the website for a regional newspaper, the cost for my department would be a day to get it set up, and maybe a day a month to maintain it. Well worth it.
 
Really? Would you actually expect to get enough additional readers from the change to justify the cost?
 
9:56 PM
@murgatroid99 Strawman and red herring.
@murgatroid99 No, not necessarily, but I would never expect to task all my employees at 100% to begin with, and anything less than that is a waste of resources.
 
@MBraedley Then I'm questioning what you mean by "worth it". If the only outcomes you expect are a little green icon next to your URL, and marginally slower page load time, I don't see why you'd bother
 
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