The Bridge

4:00 PM

> This erotic tale is 4,200 words of sizzling human on monetary unit action, including anal, blowjobs, rough sex, cream pies and living pound love.

I'm disgusted, yet strangely intrigued

user15026

I've read enough bad erotica that nothing about that sounds good because it won't be put together well at all

badp

@ardaozkal pls

ardaozkal

well uk is lucky

it is weekend so pound can't go much lower

Chippies

4:18 PM

Private Pansy

@Chippies tragic back story is tragic

MBraedley

Two smart thermostats installed. Don't know if I'll be able to install the other two where I want them. May have to call in an electrician.

Chippies

@MBraedley what kind and how much did they cost? We're moving in our new house in august and that's something I've been thinking about installing as well

Google Nest seems like the best option, but they are wicked expensive. Probably worth it in the long run though

MBraedley

@Chippies bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/…

For use with baseboard heaters only.

badp

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Chippies

4:25 PM

@MBraedley huh, I would've never guessed it's a "smart" thermostat from the way it looks

looks the same as any programmable thermostats I have seen

MBraedley

Well, maybe "connected" is a better term

Chippies

it's not really much cheaper than nest either, hmm

MBraedley

But you can't use a Nest with baseboard heaters

Chippies

woah nevermind, nest is 330$cad

I thought it was less than that

@MBraedley is that like, heated floor?

I'm not very good at the house stuff terminology :)

djsmiley2k

what's baseboard heating o_O

MBraedley

4:30 PM

Chippies

@MBraedley oh, I don't think I've seen any other heaters here in Newfoundland, other than the forced air through the ventilation ducts

didn't know they were called that

djsmiley2k

erm

i'm still clueless even with the picture

it looks like a electric heater?

MBraedley

And actually, I shouldn't have said just baseboard, because you can get hot water baseboard heaters and electric baseboard heaters. Nest doesn't work with electric baseboard, but probably works with hot water baseboard, if it supplies power to the thermostat.

Chippies

@djsmiley2k electric heaters that are near the floor, I guess

djsmiley2k

it's fixed right?

Chippies

4:32 PM

@MBraedley so, how come regular thermostats work with it and nest doesn't?

MBraedley

@djsmiley2k Yes, but there are different types of electric heaters.

Chippies

@djsmiley2k yes

MBraedley

@Chippies Not all thermostats work with all heating/HVAC types.

Chippies

@MBraedley yeah, but, like, what's so different about it?

I thought nest worked with a lot of different types and those seem pretty popular, at least around here

MBraedley

The ones I bought work specifically with 2 wire electric baseboard (and some forced air ventilation).

Chippies

4:34 PM

I think nest works with forced air, which is what we are gonna have, so that's still an option

MBraedley

@Chippies Nest does, but it's a low voltage device. You're putting the full 120V or 240V through the thermostat with electric baseboard.

@Chippies It depends.

Yuuki

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Chippies

@MBraedley oh, that seems like a weird way to do things

MBraedley

@Chippies Not really. Most thermostats are just glorified switches.

Especially for electric heat.

Chippies

I figured thermostats just turn the heat up/down depending on the temperature it registers in the area of thermostat

which is why you have to have the thermostat on the opposite side of the room from the heater

Lazers 2.0

4:37 PM

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Where does Master Overwatch get its data from? I checked their FAQ, but it's not really addressed.

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djsmiley2k

R U no use relay?

do't put 240V through something that doesn't need it :/

MBraedley

@Chippies No, 90% of heaters are either on or off.

djsmiley2k

HEATERS BE DUMB :/

Chippies

@MBraedley well, yeah, that's what I meant by "turns heat up/down", but the thermostat has a thermometer in it, right?

djsmiley2k

especially electric ones which only have on/off

MBraedley

4:39 PM

And among the rest of the 10% their duty cycle is fast enough that they can reasonable simulate different levels of on or off.

@Chippies No, not usually, at least for traditional electromechanical ones.

Chippies

@MBraedley are you saying the numbers on the thermostat are not temperature?

my whole life in Newfoundland has been a lie

and how does the thermostat know not to kick in when it's warm in the room?

badp

lieat is a cheap short little rpg thing that you can play for almost free by reselling its cards somehow

Chippies

the thermostats we have in our rental apartment are pretty basic and they don't kick in unless it's cool enough. I assumed it was due to some sort of thermometer in the thermostat

MBraedley

A number of thermostats will have a dial and a second needle. The second needle is an honest to goodness thermometer, but it isn't connected in any way to how the thermostat turns the heater on or off.

djsmiley2k

erm wut

MBraedley

4:42 PM

The main dial is just a setpoint that was calibrated when the thermostat was made.

djsmiley2k

but even the word means to regulate temprature

Chippies

@MBraedley oh, so it does represent the temperature, just might not be super accurate in your house

djsmiley2k

oh yeah right

if that's what you're saying then agree

badp

@MBraedley wait so what's the point of that setpoint

Chippies

I still don't understand how the thermostat knows how to get the right temperature at different ambient without having a thermometer hooked up to it

sounds like some sort of magic is involved

djsmiley2k

4:44 PM

thermoresistor instead of thermometer and everything is right

Chippies

@badp to be able to set the temperature you want, but I don't understand how it can adjust to the ambient temperature

Unionhawk

There typically is thermometer involved

MBraedley

@badp It's what you want the temperature to be.

djsmiley2k

@MBraedley but how does the 'device' on the wall know if that's warmer, or colder than the current room?

badp

oh so you can change it

Chippies

4:45 PM

even the basic thermostats seem to not kick in when the room is warm, and the only way I can see that working is with a thermometer hooked up to it

badp

basically like an old fashioned alarm clock

dial goes past needle, click goes the thing

djsmiley2k

@Chippies there is one

you're being confused by people.

Unionhawk

In my house, it'll show steadily increasing temperature as the number of people increases

Chippies

@djsmiley2k but someone on internet said they don't!

@Unionhawk you must have an electric one that actually shows temperature in the room

I'm talking about the mechanical ones that just have a dial

djsmiley2k

me too

there's a themoresistor

Unionhawk

4:46 PM

@Chippies I do yes

djsmiley2k

once the current drops below a certain value

the relay switches on#becase it's now 'cold'

the 'big' dial you move is a pot.

MBraedley

So, the classic thermostat uses a coil of metal (or a coiled bimetallic strip) an a bulb with mercury and two contacts. When the room heats up, that causes the coil to unwind a bit, making the mercury move away from the contacts and stop the flow of power. When the room cools down again, the mercury sloshes back, completing the circuit.

Chippies

@MBraedley ah, so, it is sort of a thermometer, it's just not a very accurate or informative one

djsmiley2k

yes

Chippies

that's all I wanted to know :P

djsmiley2k

4:48 PM

you expect a thermometer to have some kind of measurement on it

it doesn't.

so you technically might not say it's a thermometer, and confuse people on the internets!

Hense why I said it's a thermoresistor.

MBraedley

@Chippies No. Turning the dial changes where the bulb will be level (which is where minimal contact is made). It doesn't rely on the thermal expansion of the mercury.

Chippies

@djsmiley2k well, when I say thermometer, I mean something that can measure temperature :P Blame my lack of terminology knowledge

@MBraedley but the coil unwinds due to temperature changes though, right?

MBraedley

The only reason mercury is used is because it's liquid at room temperature.

@Chippies yes.

Chippies

well, that answers my question :)

while it doesn't have an accurate mercury based thermometer inside it, it does have something that reacts to temperature changes, which to me is pretty much the same thing

MBraedley

And so a second coil can (and often is) used for the thermometer, but that's not connected in any way to the primary coil.

Chippies

4:52 PM

so, how does your 'connected' thermostat work? It adjusts temperature according to what the weather is gonna be like?

Ronan

Holy fuck we have like an inch of solid hail.

MBraedley

@Chippies No, I don't think it has that much smarts, but I can control it when I'm not at home.

Chippies

@MBraedley ah, that puts nest ahead of that one then, I like that nest learns on its own and I don't have to deal with it for the most part

MBraedley

Yeah, and if I had a different source of heat, I would have bought a Nest (or two).

Chippies

Well, if you're willing to put the time to use the functionality of the connected thermostat, it's probably not a lot less efficient than the nest could be

I think I did an unintentional double negative

MBraedley

4:58 PM

I figure I'll recoup the costs in a winter or two with these, just from the programmable side of them. I just need to figure out if I can install one in my bedroom, because when I opened it up, I saw more wires than I expected.

Chippies

I think our house only has 2 thermostats in the whole house, due to the nature of forced air

ardaozkal

MBraedley

Oh, I've got 8 in total.

ardaozkal

:(

MBraedley

Or more.

Chippies

5:00 PM

@MBraedley that seems like an expensive thing to upgrade :x

MBraedley

@Chippies I'm not going to replace all of them. The ones in the spare bedroom, laundry room, and storage room are all staying, since they're basically always going to be set to 15-18°

ardaozkal

Valve getting sued

Chippies

@ardaozkal tl;dr "I gambled all my money away and now I want it back!" ?

ardaozkal

yes

and he said that he was illegally betting (he claims that the bets are illegal, might be or not)

MBraedley

They're certainly against the TOS

Chippies

5:04 PM

@ardaozkal sooo, "I was doing illegal things and it's Valve's fault, because they didn't stop me"?

sounds legit

ardaozkal

Yep

Chippies

"I murdered a man and no one on the street stopped me, so it's their fault"

ardaozkal

> alleging that Valve violated gambling laws and engaged in racketeering with a handful of offshore gambling companies.

Trent Hawkins

> The terms of the lawsuit should be as follows: "We don't want any money....simply tell us if you're making Half Life 3 or not."

ardaozkal

> The complaint, first reported by Polygon, doesn’t give a specific request for damages and doesn’t spell out exactly how much money McLeod lost by betting on the site.

djsmiley2k

5:05 PM

This EU stuff is getting funnier and funnier

I wish I wasn't here anymore

ardaozkal

@TrentHawkins getting money is easier than getting an answer

user15026

By that logic every sports thing ever should be liable because of all the sports betting that goes on

ardaozkal

Not really

user15026

Oh, okay, they're talking specifically skins betting, I can see how people might be like "you created a world where this is possible"

user15026

I assumed it met the cash betting you can do on that stuff (the sportsbook I worked for allowed BTC bets on LoL, CSGO, Dota, etc)

ardaozkal

5:07 PM

He claims that the betting done doesn't comply with laws.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn I think it's more about the fact that Valve hasn't stopped all the sites from allowing betting/gambling on the items in exchange for real money

the real money being the emphasis, I guess

as Valve doesn't give you real money for anything anyway

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn there are real money betting sites for CS:GO too (USD, not BTC)

user15026

@Chippies Yeah, I thought it was just about cash betting, not the items stuff

user15026

@ardaozkal I know. I just happened to work for one that used BTC instead of USD

ardaozkal

I really want to see this guy lose and valve pay him in items

because you know, his losses are in items

Chippies

5:08 PM

@AshleyNunn is there really a difference though?

the items only add a middle man

you use cash to buy items, use items to gamble, use 3rd party websites to sell the items for cash and repeat

ardaozkal

Well, I'll keep a close eye on this

Chippies

it probably does make a difference on some legal levels

ardaozkal

@Chippies selling items for cash is afaik against ToS

user15026

@Chippies I personally don't think there is a difference, but I can kinda see how it might from a legality standpoint or whatever because most things have a thing in the ToS that is like "you can't sell your stuff for money" or what have you

Chippies

@ardaozkal so, the difference is that in this case Valve is somehow at fault because instead of putting blame on websites that let you bet for cash, they put blame on Valve for having items that can be sold for cash on 3rd party websites? :P

user15026

5:10 PM

@Chippies Pretty much.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn but as long as there is item trading, you can't get rid of selling items for cash

Valve doesn't offer that option themselves

they can't control all 3rd party websites

ardaozkal

Valve subscriber agreement - 2G

Chippies

by killing off the big sites, they'll just introduce more smaller websites

ardaozkal

"You are entitled to use the Content and Services for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell [...]"

user15026

@Chippies Yeah, I don't see it really going anywhere, unless Valve has, as this guy claims, been giving kickbacks or support or whatever to the sites that allow the betting

user15026

5:12 PM

And I think that's more the issue - that he thinks that Valve is abetting the gambling by giving support to the sites, and thus implying they are turning an active blind eye to it

Chippies

@AshleyNunn the way I read it, Valve has been giving them the kind of support that any customer would get. I doubt they were actually supporting the cash exchange part directly

but I could be naive and wrong

ardaozkal

boom. 3d:

You also understand and acknowledge that Subscriptions traded, sold or purchased in any Subscription Marketplace are license rights, that you have no ownership interest in such Subscriptions, and that Valve does not recognize any transfers of Subscriptions (including transfers by operation of law) that are made outside of Steam.

That case is dropped on day one.

user15026

@Chippies Yeah, it just gets weird because like...they're not really players or customers in any real sense short of the fact they have the items and whatever - they're obviously not playing the game. So it becomes this weird thing where if they're supporting them, it could be said they're supporting the industry

user15026

@ardaozkal I don't think so

Chippies

and I'm not sure why Valve would encourage it, as they don't get anything from people trading items, afaik

user15026

5:14 PM

So I can see how one might question the intent of that support.

user15026

I mean I think the whole thing is a crackers attempt by someone in too deep trying to blame someone else for their gambling issues

Unionhawk

Yes

ardaozkal