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Texenox

There's the Community bot as well that bumps unanswered questions.

@Haider If you repost it, we will close the repost, and probably delete it

9:04 PM

You could get question banned.

It will be closed as a duplicate and downvoted

That puts you on the path to a question ban

Ouch.

What if you "Delete" and then post.

?*

@Haider We might just skip to the question ban

Yes, that's what we're saying you should not do

Texenox

9:05 PM

@Haider Deleted posts are still visible to people with over 10k rep.

Especially since at this point we've made it very clear that you shouldn't do that

...right

Other than that, how do I know the chatrooms I've been into

I can see my avatar on the right side.

If I wouldn't want it to be there, I'd have to " Leave " the chatroom right?

So, how do I find out , the chatrooms I've been into ? Is there a way?

In your chat profile, there's a "currently in rooms" section

chat.stackexchange.com/users/185212

@Haider just edit with more info

The system automatically leaves a chatroom for you if you're inactive for a while

Blem

9:07 PM

GUNS!

@twobugs Also yes

Thanks bro @Unionhawk

RIP @FAE

I see, thanks @twobugs

And who would recommend me a sweet " Hack n slash " game for PC ? :D

Iunno, Skyrim is pretty fun, and I would probably consider that as a qualifier

9:09 PM

@twobugs It may leave automatically, but would the avatar remain grayed out in the chatroom until it gets replaced by other 31 avatars ?

Other than that, I got nothing

@Haider Hack 'n' Slash

@Haider diablo diablo

@Haider The avatar will leave when you're removed from the room

inb4 I get told Skyrim is not a hack n slash

9:10 PM

I.E. FAE (RIP)

Jokes aside, Shadow of Mordor

@murgatroid99 lol, I thought that would re-direct me to the Steam " Hack n slash " category.

Oh yeah, that's also a really good game in the gameplay style of Assasin's Creed

I thoroughly enjoyed Shadow of Mordor

I'd like to play games like DMC, unfortunately, PC lacks such a like games.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "Hack n slash" because I've seen it used to refer to completely disparate types of games

@Haider 4 is on Steam

MGR is on Steam

9:11 PM

Undertale is not a Hack n Slash game, but it is a good game, so

I know ,I've played that... I might as well give Diablo a try

If you're referring to stylish action games, Diablo is not what you are looking for

Yeah but yet again, I'd try it.

Blades of Time?

@Haider you in EU?

9:13 PM

That's kinda DMC-like, IIRC.

That's cool.

@ardaozkal

No ^

NA best continent

I'd love to boost you if you were :/

I have a problem. I can't download games like GTA V and Shadow of mordor, ask why!

Ket me guess, SSD.

9:14 PM

Because they're huge?

What do you mean " Boost " @ardaozkal

Exactly @Unionhawk

Yeah, shadow is like 40 GB or something

It's actually ridiculous

Yeah, that's alot.

At least it's not like Payday 2 with that one update where it decided to download the whole game as an update

@Haider powerleveling

Fastly leveling you up

9:15 PM

inb4 a lot*

So for a partial update, you could have had like 50 GB of payday 2 files

For what @ardaozkal

@Haider for the endgame. Diablo story is boring imho.

Oh, I see.

Also, does anyone use an Xbox one controller here?

I've got it recently for the PC and I feel that the left side vibration is stronger than the right side? Is that normal ?

@Haider Did you got anyone else to check it? Might be smth on your hands maybe.

9:17 PM

Actually I googled it and according to reddit, it seems fine because of variation in motors.

INB4 @CHIPPIES?

Man all of you are way less fun than @spugsley

The left vibration motor is for explosions and such alikes. The right vibration motor is for more minor contacts

Now I am not sure if its true

RIP @spugsley

Who's that?

A friend who is too cool to hang out with us anymore, I think

Q: Does anyone have suggestions on easy ways to do Minecraft's trophy "On a rail"?

9:20 PM

Oh. :/

Lazers 2.0

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I have tried EVERYTHING. But still, not enough resources. And doing it underground means either one million monsters or one million torches. Up on the ground? Well, that would be dangerous creating it. I mean I know how to do the trophy, just it's time consuming and dangerous. Please help me.

Could someone show me how to post hyperlinks here or post like that above ^

@Haider onebox

It is called onebox, you just need to post the link on the chat

@Haider just post the bare link to the post, without formatting

@Haider If you post links to certain things, they show up like magic

9:23 PM

@Unionhawk She's Internet Famous now.

Twitter, xkcd, SE, etc

It works for amazon, xkcd, SE, twitter and more.

Images too

It's quite magical

You know what grinds my gears? When people make a comment on your post with the intention to get it killed by mods. I mean an example here gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/251897/… the comment by frank. :|

and youtube

9:24 PM

Yes, much magic, very sorcery. @Unionhawk

Just post the bare link

@Haider I... don't see a comment by Frank?

no other text

It will depend greatly on the game. To that end, I have voted to close until a specific game is selected. — Frank 2 hours ago

(is what he meant I'm sure)

Yes.

What the fudge

user15026

9:25 PM

@Haider I don't think that was the intent, and also, I don't see how as a moderator, even if that was the intent, that I would consider that something that needs my intervention.

What the absolute chocolate fudge cake with sprinkles man.

Basically, he's just explaining why he is voting to close that question. I view that as a good-faith action, really.

Yes

Yes, they make it sophisticated and intuitive but its not.

@Haider you are free to use profanity here (rarely), just don't fill the chat with profanity.

9:26 PM

He's explaining why he voted to close

@Haider What are you even talking about?

user15026

It takes more than one person to close, for one thing. He's trying to explain why he feels like it needs closing, but it is one person's opinion.

It's nicer than not explaining

user15026

It doesn't mean that a) anyone else has to agree and b) that mods are going to kill anything.

@ardaozkal it's okay, I don't appreciate profanity. I try to use euphemisms.

It was something that shouldn't be mentioned rather.

user15026

9:27 PM

It's rare here that mods unilaterally close anything that's not explicitly off topic or offensive or spam.

@AshleyNunn the community does

user15026

This is none of those things. I also don't think @Frank has that kind of vendetta.

I'll be honest, I voted to close your question too.

user15026

@ardaozkal Not unilaterally, it still takes 5 people.

@ardaozkal

Why ^?

user15026

9:28 PM

So basically, he is saying "I think it should be closed" but he has no power to close it without getting people to agree.

It is on 3 votes now, it needs 5.

@Frank may be a jerk, but he's a jerk that usually has good reasons behind what he does.

Usually

@Haider too broad.

And in this case probably

Well, he has good reasons, but sometimes he is Horribly Wrong About Everything

9:29 PM

No it's not because, its talking about games that do auto - save especially the open world games

@Unionhawk But he still thinks he has good reasons. He's not the kind of jerk who does things vindictively.

@Haider still too broad

user15026

@Haider Which is a GIANT pile of things, and likely are all programmed to handle things differently.

You need to name a game for it to be not broad

I don't it is. @ardaozkal

user15026

9:29 PM

I can see why people might think this is a little too broad to be answered definitively.

I could go either way, and as such I haven't voted, that said, the answer pretty much is "it really depends on the game, usually though, there will be some icon like this that indicates saving"

I haven't voted either, but I think Frank has a reasonable point there, and it's definitely not rude of him to explain the vote he's casting

@Haider whatever, which exact game did you mean btw?

As a open world fan, I might be able to answer it.

On chat.

That's the entire question, even if the icon indicating shows it being saved, and you exit by ALT-F4, would that corrupt the save data?

Saints row 4

However, its the case with almost every open world games.

The auto save feature.

AFAIK SR4 waits before saving.

Q: Whats the name of a really good Bukkit for a Minecraft Realm on Minecraft 1.8.9 on Windows 10, and how do i download it?

9:31 PM

You don't know for a fact that every game auto-saves in the same way.

Lazers 2.0

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I have started a realm and bought around 2 years of subscription for it and i wanted to know if i could get a really good Bukkit for the realm with /sethome and /warp and other commands that are useful like those two and most importantly a Bukkit that wont install a virus or anything but the Bukk...

minecraft minecraft-commands

GTA V just says "Are you sure you want to exit?" and the exit button is blocked until you save it.

I don't know what is meant by the same way @Yuuki

I see @ardaozkal , that's really good.

I feel like save corruption isn't as prevalent anymore since you aren't physically removing the game from the thing, but I don't know

And the fact is that some games may have bugs that cause corruption, and others don't

9:32 PM

The thing being the scientific term for "console" obviously

@Haider ps. hit the reply button on right instead of manually writing our names everytime

@Haider Auto-save is a feature. Different games may have different code to implement that same feature, and they may go about it in different ways internally

If you exit the game while the auto-saving icon is displayed, would that corrupt the save data? Well, that depends on what game you're playing. Why? Because it depends on how the game handles auto-saving. Why would that be different among different games? Because games are coded differently.

That, essentially, is where @Frank is coming from

There is no "this is the de-facto best way to auto-save, don't do it any other way you idiot, this is the only legal way, accept no substitutes".

9:34 PM

I don't feel strongly enough either way to vote for it

Yeah but my question is exclusive to games being closed by Alt-F4 regardless the save icon being shown during the save process.

user15026

@Haider But how they handle that command could be handled differently by each game's prgramming.

I did not know that.

user15026

It might not work the same way/react the same way in all games, because there's not a lot of standardization in these things

I mean, heck, does alt-f4 do things in most fullscreen games these days?

I'm seriously asking

Because I don't know the answer

9:35 PM

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

@Haider Well, now do you see where Frank is coming from?

@Yuuki

oops

@Yuuki Sort of.

@Unionhawk The top answer on that question has a pretty good (low level) explanation of what happens on Windows

brb

You can edit your posts with the up key on keyboard

9:37 PM

Of course, that answer makes the questionable assumption that programmers always understand concurrency and implement it correctly

@murgatroid99 ...so essentially it is up to the programmers to decide how to process that event and they can choose to handle it after saving etc. I see.

Also, you can click to the dropdown on the left sides of your message, and click edit, or delete.

Yeah, given that answer, my meh attitude towards closing is even stronger

MEH STATUS: [ ] not meh [ ] meh [x] solid meh

Well, if they don't touch it, the saves will get ruined on alt+f4.

IF they do a small workaround, it might be ruined (multiple saves, older one gets deleted when the new one is completely saved.)

Or, they can halt the Alt+F4 command, and make it work after save ends.

@ardaozkal If by "it" you mean the Alt+F4 event, that answer seems to indicate that if you don't handle it, the program just doesn't close

9:40 PM

@murgatroid99 It is handled by the framework.

@ardaozkal Oh, right, the game framework

that seems to be how a lot of fullscreen games go about it from my limited rememberings and observations of trying it.

Is that right next to the standard web framework?

C++, .net, the engine etc. frameworks usually just close the game/program.

Well, unity doesn't handle back button on Windows Phone and Android (nothing happens), but handles Alt+f4 on PC (game gets shut down).

And it is entirely possible for the game engine to leave that event unhandled in some cases

Not all game engines are created equal, and some are more unequal than others

9:44 PM

@ardaozkal C++ is a language, and .NET is basically a standard library

I don't think either has default handling for Windows event queues

@murgatroid99 Right, I meant Visual C++

@murgatroid99 It's actually next to the standard game framework

this

Nobody knows why one is standard and the other is in use

@ardaozkal Visual C++ is just a compiler for C++ on Windows

OK, and a standard library

Admittedly, I've never actually done significant Windows programming, so maybe they do have default handling for Windows events

9:46 PM

"Standart Libraries" might and probably handle Alt+F4 differently.

IF you don't catch it, it automatically closes the app, like ughh, Ctrl+C on Linux and stuff

I'd be surprised, though, because a standard language library generally doesn't do anything on its own

@ardaozkal Ctrl+C on Linux is a signal, which is handled by the OS unless the program installs a signal handler

@murgatroid99 same on windows, except it is the standard library and not OS

wat

Do you even

1 min ago, by murgatroid99

I'd be surprised, though, because a standard language library generally doesn't do anything on its own

And an event queue is very different from signal handling

fredley

Meanwhile, the 'internet' reaches places you'd never think it could reach

9:48 PM

...

I guess he's talking about the window API and pals, stuff that you wouldn't consider part of the OS in Linux but essentially are in Windows

@badp The thing about an API is that you call into it when you want it to do things

yes. Like set up an event loop around your window.

user15026

@fredley "It even suggests that like-minded worriers could create groups to share the data and “see what's going around the neighborhood or in your child's school.” This could be one use for collecting the phone’s location information."

user15026

Nooooope.

9:49 PM

And get a bunch of event handlers for free, like 'close the window on alt-f4' I suppose

@badp Right, that makes more sense

@fredley Okay @internetofshit

(I also have never done real Windows programming)

fredley

> The Internet of Things hasn't even entered everyone's home yet, but it's already trying to get deeper into your personal space

A: How to Disable Alt + F4 closing form?

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This does the job: private void Form1_FormClosing(object sender, FormClosingEventArgs e) { e.Cancel = true; } Edit: In response to pix0rs concern - yes you are correct that you will not be able to programatically close the app. However, you can simply remove the event handler for the form...

9:51 PM

Get it? That was supposed to be funny

@ardaozkal Note that this is Winforms, a library that does a lot more window handling stuff itself

wait what

this.FormClosing -= new System.Windows.Forms.FormClosingEventHandler(this.Form1_FormClosing);

how can this possibly work

you are allocating a new signal handler just to remove it a the list of handlers you never added it to in the first place

@badp shouldn't that be += :/

@ardaozkal No, it says "remove"

@murgatroid99 same happens on forms and wpf

9:52 PM

@badp It might satisfy an equality test

@murgatroid99 you still wouldn't make a NEW one

@badp just saw why they did that

@ardaozkal You're still talking about an additional library on top of the Windows API that does extra stuff for you

Q: Can i use my friend ps+ acc to buy the game that gets off?

It allows you to gracefully shutdown you app

@murgatroid99 that is what I'm talking about.

Lazers 2.0

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games on psn gets off . but if u have ps+ it can be higher off % !! i'm using my friend psn account to play online. i wanna charge my original account to buy a game but i need the ps+ to get lower price, There's no way to use my friend's ps+ for off on my original acc ?

ps4

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Q: How much tax does each zoned building generate?

How much tax does each growable building generate? I am aware that higher level buildings genereate "more" taxes. But how can I determine how much money one specific factory/store/residence is generating each week?

cities-skylines

9:54 PM

Games don't just exist out of nowhere, they are usually built on something.

@murgatroid99 this might be closer to "the metal" -- forums.codeguru.com/showthread.php?436622-Disabling-Alt-F4

@ardaozkal Not Winforms

Q: Simple Game in C# with only native libraries

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I could find a set of java 2D game tutorials and android game tutorials which uses only native graphics libraries. I'm looking for something similar in C# ( without DirectX or XNA) I found this game loop skeleton , but it doesn't tell how to Render the Graphics. Target is to simulate a simple Ele...

c# winforms graphics nativelibrary game-loop

@ardaozkal That's clearly not what I meant

I know.

9:56 PM

also featured there: lots of arguing and shit

I like that people wondered why they wanted to disable alt-f4, and they were satisfied by this more insane explanation

> No user-interaction with the software is allowed via the keyboard. Only via the mouse. That's why we needed to disable it - but in the end, we've just disabled the keyboard completely from the Registry.

Sounds like bridge

if the Bridge discussed C++ winforms api

@Unionhawk And you are an owner of bridge. Arguelord lol.

in 2003

with a bunch of people with MS MVP badges in their sigs

in a place that had sigs

*calls engin polat*

9:59 PM

like I just know @Sterno's signature would be a large full-size picture of him in biker gear on a HD with large red bold text around it

And there would be one person with an ASCII art sig.

remember: if your sig isn't ten times taller than your average post, your sig's SHIT

@badp check out my sig

djsmiley2k

now broadcasting binding of issac on youtube: djsmiley2k

my sig was so tall I had to make an animated gif out of it

that's just how much sig I had

10:02 PM

Oh god. That's 1999 all over again.

*2009

That's a goddamned resume right there

that's literally 2009

*downloads requests log*

@Unionhawk small community, lotsa things, lotsa fingers in different places

10:04 PM

That sounds vaguely sexual

apparently I wanted to have two different signatures, one when I was offline and one when I was online

but I only ever made the offline one

"GET /files/ai0u.png HTTP/1.1" 200 557604 "-" "YahooCacheSystem"

as you can tell by the very visible 'OFFLINE' text in the corner there

THAT TEXT HAS BEEN THERE THE WHOLE TIME AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IT

HOW CAN IT HAVE APPEARED NOW, WHEN IT WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME

2009 me was a spooky guy

@badp Probably more like this NSFL

Can confirm, NSFL

10:06 PM

@Sterno literally stolen from Jeff Atwood

That's a Jeff Crime.

You're going to Jeff Prison.

(aka Discourse)

I'm pretty sure that uses a different Zardoz pic

Time to set up my Darkest Dungeons streaming thing

Unless @Sterno trolled me into that as punishment for my trolling him into buying Destiny

@Unionhawk all I know is this was the peak of my activity there, then this Stack Overflow started getting big

and that community started dying, and still is dying to this date

apparently they're in talks with Microsoft to try and give it a fourth life through greenlight

10:10 PM

We're all dying.

Except @Wipqozn. He can't die because he's never truly lived.

@Sterno and the same is true of Not Wipqozn. Theyn't also have never truly alive.

James

How do you kill that which has no life...

SaintWacko

@James With caching!

Wipqozn and Not Wipqozn. Together, they and theyn't are all and everything that exists, and themselvesn't the proof of existence itself.

"homework"

SaintWacko

10:14 PM

@badp Also if they ever touch there will be a huge explosion

all hail our ontological standard: ourselvesn't!

wen't existed all the time, because wen't did!

Your logic doesn't.

IF WIPQOZN DOESN'T EXIST, THEN NOT WIPQOZN STILL EXISTS, BUT THEN WHAT IS WIPQOZN OTHER THAN THE THING THAT NOT WIPQOZN ITSELFN'T ISN'T?

Alright. It's trainwreck time

twitch.tv/twobugs

THEREFORE WEN'T ARE AND SO DOES WIPQOZN

IT IS MATHEMATIC AND RIGOROUSLY SO PROVEN

TAKE THAT, @PRIVATEPANSY

WE DON'T NEED YOU

OR YOU

10:17 PM

If !Wipqozn THEN this.worst();

@MadMAxJr I'm certain that's incorrect.

Well it is the worst code.

James

if (this.isTheWorst()) { Wipqozn.present = true; }

or just @Wipqozn.present = this.isTheWorst();

That's still wrong for so many reasons.

Thus it is correct.

10:21 PM

I'd tell you how but then you'd have to include a comment to the URL of my correcting code in your code.

self.worst += Wipqozn in self

happy now

Now we just need to make a quantum entangled wrong.

class Human{ bool IsTheWorst{ get{ return false; } } }
class Wipqozn : Human { bool override IsTheWorst{ get{ return true; } } }

I have a conundrum. Which is worse... Lifehacks or @Wipqozn?

Tape them together, back to back.

fredley

Yay, my Prime package didn't arrive on time, one month free Prime!

Given my office is literally inaccessible due to roadworks at the moment, I wonder how much I can spin this out

djsmiley2k

10:35 PM

lol

Just a reminder, I am appearing quite the fool in a dark dungeon: twitch.tv/twobugs

ripe

Aaand I prolly need a new card

@Sterno wat

Can anyone here recommend me a budget mid class graphics card? Nvidia preferred.

Nvm, might be caused by my SSD. Saying this while I know nothing much about them, but I read that they need free storage for caching, or it'll slow down, and weird stuff might happen. Guess what, I had 100mb when this happened. I cleared up 4gb and no problems in last 5 mins.

GnomeSlice

10:51 PM

@twobugs can't watch, will prob kill my battery on bus home