The Bridge

9:00 PM

@Chippies Look at your nearest USB cable. Are both ends identical?

@murgatroid99 no, but that's mostly because you wouldn't plug a full sized usb connector into most things (phones, controllers)

Origami Robot

USB-A to USB-A is rare

murgatroid99

1 min ago, by murgatroid99

@Chippies In many cases, USB-C cables will have the same connector at both ends

Chippies

although I can't think of anything that uses full sized USB on both ends

Origami Robot

In fact, I've only seen it used in male to female varieties

Chippies

9:01 PM

@murgatroid99 I doubt your future phone will use a full sized connector though

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot I've seen it in USB hub contexts

murgatroid99

@Chippies USB-C is smaller

Chippies

@murgatroid99 I didn't know that, I'll have to look it up then...

so it is, hm

Origami Robot

Chippies

I guess it might work with phones and such then

Unionhawk

9:02 PM

ooooo

shiny

murgatroid99

Also, USB-C supports 100W power flow, which is apparently enough to charge a laptop

Frank

sigh. Why, oh why, did a correctly guessed identify-this-game, without a screenshot, get reopened?

murgatroid99

That's why the new MacBook Air only has one USB-C port, and nothing else

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 wow

badp

btw the one on the MacBook is USB 3.0

a.k.a. "USB 3.1 spec 1"

whereas what most mean by "USB 3.1" is "USB 3.1 spec 2"

because fuck you

MadMAxJr

9:04 PM

USB4 will generate its own power.

USB5 will use your spinal wifi to connect your personal devices.

USB6 comes free with trancendence.

Origami Robot

USB5 will feed on previous versions of USB

Frank

I'm conflicted now. Do we just re-close this, now that the asker has his answer? Or do we just let it get an answer and treat it like it followed the rules from the beginning?

badp

in other words, while it might be more capable in terms of video and power, it won't actually have any better data throughput than your existing blue-on-the-inside USB cables

MadMAxJr

So in USB5, when you see a guy walking around with a cord out of his neck, it's just a guy using a legacy device, don't worry.

Yuuki

USB7 will be capable of time travel so it can assimilate USB9.

murgatroid99

9:06 PM

@Frank I thought our policy was to not allow that

badp

@MadMAxJr USB 6 will use a more discreet form factor.

Frank

@murgatroid99 That it is.

MadMAxJr

USB9 is actually Sony proprietary for use with PS9 nano-spores.

murgatroid99

@Frank It kind of defeats the purpose of the rule

Frank

But now that's reopened, what do we do?

Origami Robot

9:06 PM

@Yuuki har har, I get it

murgatroid99

@Frank re-close it

Also, revert the edit

Frank

@murgatroid99 Technically, it could be a useful question; the screenshot doesn't identify the game in question.

badp

@Frank what

Frank

1 min ago, by Frank

I'm conflicted now. Do we just re-close this, now that the asker has his answer? Or do we just let it get an answer and treat it like it followed the rules from the beginning?

Unionhawk

Hang on

badp

9:07 PM

That's clearly Re-Volt.

Unionhawk

Are you saying that someone else might want to know what game that one particular screenshot is?

Frank

@badp For those that have played it, yes.

badp

@Frank Yes, that's how game-ID questions work.

Frank

But there's nothing in the screenshot that says that.

murgatroid99

@Frank I think it's from the Wikipedia page for the game

Unionhawk

9:08 PM

Frank

Honestly, it should never have been reopened to begin with.

badp

As for the fact he added the photo after the fact -- well, the question now is acceptable by our standards

so it doesn't matter how we got to an acceptable question

Frank

But now that it has, what do we do?

badp

we have one and we should keep it in the current acceptable shape.

Frank

@badp Except our stance has always been that we don't reopen it.

Unionhawk

9:08 PM

@badp Yes it does

murgatroid99

@badp So do we allow all ITG questions as long as they retroactively add a screenshot from Wikipedia?

Unionhawk

The point of the ITG rule is so that we don't end up in a guessing game

Frank

Because there's no longer a question there; the asker has his answer.

Chippies

@Frank but right now it's open and acceptable, so it should be fine?

murgatroid99

Because I thought we had a rule

Unionhawk

9:09 PM

If the comment guessing game happens to work, and we add a screenshot after the fact, then we have violated the spirit of the exception

badp

@Unionhawk yes. Now that there's a picture there is no more guessing.

Frank

@Chippies Like I said, I'm conflicted.

badp

The question is fine.

Jason Berkan

Historically, we have not allowed retroactive opening when a comment provided the answer to the ITG.

badp

It's a little life-hackish.

murgatroid99

9:09 PM

53 secs ago, by murgatroid99

@badp So do we allow all ITG questions as long as they retroactively add a screenshot from Wikipedia?

Unionhawk

@badp But the only reason the picture is there is because of the guessing game!

Chippies

@murgatroid99 if it's closed, you don't re-open it, if it's open, does it matter when the screenshot is added?

badp

@Unionhawk I guess you could argue against trying to answer the question in the comments area.

Frank

Now that I've got you all going, I'm going to go home now. Let me know what you decide.

fredley

@badp lifehack

murgatroid99

9:10 PM

@Chippies It was incorrectly re-opened

Jason Berkan

And I don't think we should - it will lead to an "end run" around our ITG ban.

badp

well well well we have an Arqade and Lifehack mod

murgatroid99

I'm suggesting correcting that

fredley

@Wipqozn

badp

HEAR HEAR. WHAT DOES HE THINK

fredley

9:10 PM

Lenttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 No because that defeats the purpose of the ban.

I thought we had a meta on this already.

Chippies

@murgatroid99 well I don't know what the policies are on that

MadMAxJr

We probably need a meta-meta on this.

murgatroid99

@Chippies The policy is to not reopen

Chippies

all I know it's open at the moment and the question is acceptable

fredley

9:11 PM

*casts mod reopen vote*

badp

I've never heard of this policy personally, for what it matters

Chippies

@murgatroid99 but it was re-opened

when it was closed, there was no screenshot

now it's open and there is a screenshot

MadMAxJr

Lifehacks Q: We're having trouble resolving a policy on gaming. Any tips?

Chippies

reverting re-opening is same as closing

murgatroid99

1 min ago, by murgatroid99

I'm suggesting correcting that

Chippies

9:12 PM

so is it correct to close it if the question itself is acceptable?

badp

I mean, if fixing the question was "cheating the system" then there would not be a "reopen" button. A closed question would be deleted immediately.

StrixVaria

We have a valid question right now; it doesn't matter how it got into that state.

Don't re-close it.

Jason Berkan

9

A: Why is this question on hold?

Site Policy Rule #1: We don't allow Identify This Game questions. Site Policy Rule #2: We allow one single exception, for when the question asker has a concrete artifact from the game. Abusing Rule #2: Retroactively adding a concrete artifact after the game has been identified in the comments, ...

murgatroid99

7

Q: Is it appropriate to ask for reopen votes on correctly identified ITGs?

Context: Can't remember an old "cyberpunk" Winforms game (Update, found!) Is it appropriate to ask for reopen votes? If it is, then please consider the following: I asked this question originally with no screenshots, outside of the guidelines of Arqade (whipcrack!). I was subsequently able to ...

MadMAxJr

It's valid now. Just ignore the orphan blood.

StrixVaria

9:12 PM

In the future, if someone edits a screenshot into a closed question after it was identified in comments, do not reopen.

That's just dumb.

murgatroid99

@badp This question has exactly the policy I was quoting

Chippies

@murgatroid99 you don't re-open it, that's an understandable policy, but someone did re-open it, so now it's open

badp

@murgatroid99 I didn't believe you made it up on the spot, but thanks for the source.

murgatroid99

@badp I also wanted to confirm for myself that it actually was official

badp

I think it's rather ridicolous, however. The whole point of closing is making people fix their questions.

If we didn't want to have bad questions fixed we would delete them outright.

murgatroid99

9:14 PM

@badp The whole point of banning ITG was so that we didn't have to deal with this in the first place

badp

So here is the real question: why didn't you delete it?

fredley

@badp I think we should just delete all the questions. Then we'd have no problems.

Origami Robot

IIRC, the problem before came from the screenshot being added to the closed question from a correct answer pre-closing.

murgatroid99

@badp It was open when I was made aware of it

StrixVaria

From now on when I see ITG questions I'm going to just straight up delete instead of closing.

5

Ping a mod if you want an ITG deleted.

MadMAxJr

9:14 PM

@fredley You still have the problem left that there are users after who can ask questions.

fredley

Delete all the problematic things

@MadMAxJr This problem can also be solved

Unionhawk

@StrixVaria Not sure if se-- totally serious.

badp

It absolutely makes no sense not to reopen a question that has become acceptable

fredley

@StrixVaria I'm with you

badp

so you realistically have two options:

- don't answer in comments

- delete right after you close

I think the former is the one that is more wise.

murgatroid99

9:15 PM

@badp It also doesn't make sense to ask people to identify a game based on an image of the game from the Wikipedia article about that game

@badp We can't stop everyone from commenting

MadMAxJr

Well, you can. But it would be a very unpopular move.

badp

eh. Just point people to the offsite resource where they can be helped.

Also you can VtD.

StrixVaria

Or flag for deletion if you don't have the rep.

I think?

murgatroid99

@badp not when it's open

StrixVaria

That might just translate into a close vote.

badp

9:17 PM

This is the Bridge. I'm sure there probably are three 20kers around at all times.

If there aren't you can catch their attention by deownering @Wipqozn.

Also masquerading the link as a Friday link would work.

Ask your @fredley if Friday is right for you.

StrixVaria

CC @Wipqozn

badp

Finally I find it funny that Wikipedia has a screenshot of the Italian version of Re-Volt.

MadMAxJr

I wave around the 'very low quality' flag often on junk questions and get 'don't bother the moderators with this crap' redtext after. :P

badp

@MadMAxJr That's why I'm not suggesting you flag :P

StrixVaria

@MadMAxJr VLQ flags are for patent nonsense.

If it's an attempt to answer but just awful, downvote but don't flag.

Lazers

9:19 PM

0

Q: Error trying to run ServerStart.sh for FTB Infinity 1.7

I don't know much of anything about Ubuntu (which is the OS I am using, 14.04 LTS) I have installed the latest version of Java (jre1.8.0_40) I have never tried to run a Minecraft server before I have been trying to figure this out for days. If I need to start over completely, please tell me/help...

minecraft minecraft-feed-the-beast minecraft-server

murgatroid99

@MadMAxJr Very Low Quality is for irredeemable questions, not just bad questions

Like if someone posts a question with the text "fjldkasfjkdaskljf"

badp

I think the whole discussion is pretty pedantic and hostile. "OH MY GOD HOW DARE YOU IMPROVE YOUR QUESTIONS" is not a good message.

murgatroid99

@badp It's not an improvement

badp

I'll happily ignore all flags of this kind. Like, all two a year.

MadMAxJr

So only questions where it is not possible on a physical or quantum level to repair a question. Got it.

We've had this outrage over on RPG stack for years.

murgatroid99

9:20 PM

@badp It's transforming an off-topic question into a question that answers itself

MadMAxJr

Generally they vote to close the arguement.

badp

We are, yet again, doing this thing where we start worrying hard about that one little trick that moderators don't want you to know about, and it realistically only happens twice a year tops.

Unionhawk

@murgatroid99 Pretty much this

MadMAxJr

Hissssss Buzzfeedspeak

murgatroid99

@badp We're doing this thing where people are abusing an exception to get their off-topic questions answered

badp

9:21 PM

@murgatroid99 What game-ID question doesn't answer itself?

Unionhawk

Any of them?

badp

That's literally the bar.

murgatroid99

@badp Look at game-identification and sort by votes

badp

Every acceptable game-ID question has to "answer itself" when you put it like that.

MadMAxJr

Question. Is the open issue with the identify question currently a threat to site continuity and general operation?

badp

9:22 PM

Sorting by votes is usually the best way to surface the worst questions but sure.

murgatroid99

@badp If you can right click->search google for this image and the answer is in the hits, the question is worthless

MadMAxJr

If it isn't impacting site quality, just let it go and worry about the next dumb minecraft logdump.

badp

@murgatroid99 That is very literally the bar we have set.

(provided Google was good enough)

murgatroid99

@badp Most of those top questions can't be found that way

Unionhawk

He does have a point

murgatroid99

9:23 PM

That's what makes them good

Unionhawk

And most of the time Google is good enough

badp

Are you going to suggest that the user should've looked up a longplay YouTube video so that he could've screencapped a frame and showed us that?

Would that have made it a good question?

murgatroid99

What's the point of asking a question if you already know the answer? That's what makes this thing so stupid. We're re-opening a question because the asker doesn't need the answer anymore

That's nonsensical

badp

There you go!

Ktash

So, question. Honest question. If we allow that, it's basically like a self-answered version of an ITG question (sort of. Most of the time). Would we allow a self-answered ITG question?

MadMAxJr

9:24 PM

A PICTURE. RABBLE RABBLE.

badp

fredley

@StrixVaria

badp

GUYS I THINK WE HAVE A WINNER

THANKS, NERD³

Jason Berkan

This has nothing to do with being a good question or not. It is all about the fact that ITGs are off topic, with a single exception, and retroactively applying that exception is abusing the rules.

murgatroid99

@badp Are you even reading my messages?

Unionhawk

9:25 PM

The point is that most of the time, people who properly ask such things don't know what the screenshot they are posting is, and may not know about Google reverse image search, for example

badp

@murgatroid99 Yes.

MadMAxJr

If true, then nuke the question. It doesn't serve a purpose and is against policy? The longer you spin wheels on this, the worse it's going to get.

badp

You're suggesting that he was a smartass but failed at it because right click → GIS gave you the correct answer.

but GIS is not omniscient.

(although I guess it might eventually try and match every image with every frame of every youtube video)

(that would be actually pretty awesome)

Ktash

Distraction: needs more close votes

0

Q: Any other non-main pokemon games?

Sorry about this opinion thing again, but I've finished(ish) the entire pokemon series (x, oras etc). Is ranger or dungeon any good, and if so which should I get.

pokemon-series

murgatroid99

I'm suggesting that this edit is an abuse of the rules and should not be allowed

Lazers

9:26 PM

0

Q: Any other non-main pokemon games?

Sorry about this opinion thing again, but I've finished(ish) the entire pokemon series (x, oras etc). Is ranger or dungeon any good, and if so which should I get.

pokemon-series

murgatroid99

We should rollback, close, and delete

2

badp

I'm suggesting that I don't think the exception to the ITG rule needs an exception to the reopen rule.

Ktash

@Lazers Haha @Lazers, beat you to it :P

murgatroid99

@badp Then go post that on the meta question. But as long as official policy disagrees with that statement, your opinion doesn't have much weight

badp

I'm glad that we can agree to disagree.

Unionhawk

9:27 PM

Oh jeebus Twitch is still kill

fredley

@murgatroid99 Arqade motto

MadMAxJr

Relax, just close it. When you want to review it. Relax, just close it. When you want to moooddddd.

murgatroid99

@badp If you disagree with policy, change it. Don't just implement the opposite

badp

@murgatroid99 I didn't implement a thing. I've just talked in here.

Frank

@badp Except it already has one.

fredley

9:29 PM

@MadMAxJr Relax, get to it. When you've gotta MOD ABUSE it.

Frank

continues stirring the pot

badp

@Frank Which it still doesn't need.

Frank

@badp And yet, it has one.

fredley

18 secs ago, by badp

@Frank Which it still doesn't need.

badp

@Frank Which it still doesn't need.

Frank

9:30 PM

Irrelevant. It has one, that's site policy.

Unionhawk

I am of the opinion that retroactively editing a screenshot after an ITG has been answered is against the spirit of the exception of the rule.

Frank

We no longer have a question there.

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk And meta explcitly agrees

Frank

Asker got his answer. yay!

Unionhawk

And I don't think that's really an exception to the re-open thing

badp

9:31 PM

@Frank I'll make sure to shut you down like this next time this sort of thing happens, I'm sure you will appreciate.

Frank

But it was a guess.

Unionhawk

The question still is, at its core, "What is this game I remember?"

badp

I've said my piece, please continue being wrong on the internet. :)

user15026

Personally, editing it in because it got answered to open it just seems weird and not the real reason we have the thing

Unionhawk

Not "What is this thing I am looking at?"

Frank

9:32 PM

@badp Dude, that's literally one of the main reasons we don't allow a retroactive editing.

But, hey, if that's how you want to argue, be my guest. I'll just lose respect for you.

badp

Hey, you're the one who played the card.

Frank

@badp That's the argument that's been used! In the meta!

Either way, it's closed again.

20K'ers, delete votes ahoy.

or just ping @Strix for a delete.

MadMAxJr

... Is it Friday yet?

Unionhawk

@MadMAxJr According to the tags, yes

@badp Meta and the community disagree with you, so... :)

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk But the description says that we're avoiding Friday

Unionhawk

9:35 PM

Hmm

MadMAxJr

Some sort of Friday paradox.

Unionhawk

We are in a state that is simultaneously Friday and not Friday

MadMAxJr

Does the factor of observing Friday in this case change it?

Frank

@Unionhawk Schroedinger's Friday?

fredley

I've put this in a meta

MadMAxJr

9:37 PM

Uh. that says deleted for moderation.

fredley

'This' not necessarily being the current topic of conversation.

@MadMAxJr 10k up

murgatroid99

@fredley It is a current topic of discussion

Sort of

fredley

@murgatroid99 Always

Unionhawk

fredley

@MadMAxJr It's actually just a post about this

Unionhawk

9:38 PM

@fredley You're not wrong

fredley

Can you autoplay embedded videos?

Unionhawk

Probably

News sites do it

murgatroid99

@fredley I wonder how many of us know that youtube link without opening it

fredley

autoplay=1 in embed code, but it doesn't autoplay :(

Unless it's one of my scripts

Someone check?

Frank

@fredley Does not autoplay.

Yes. I took one for the team.

fredley

9:41 PM

@Frank How about now?

Frank

@fredley That's a Youtube link.

fredley

@Frank :(

Rebecca Black - Friday (Deadmau5 Remix)

►

Lazers

-1

Q: how do i get starters in pokemon x and y?

Is the only way, besides friend safari, to get totodile and the other 2 of those starters in pokemon x and y to breed the final evolved form with ditto?

pokemon-xy

fredley

The new YouTube thumbnails are way less fun

MadMAxJr

@fredley I am looking at the title and I want to know why that is a thing and I'm angry now for some reason.

murgatroid99

9:42 PM

@fredley WTF kind of syntax is ?autoplay=1?version=3

fredley

@MadMAxJr Click it

@murgatroid99 Crappy syntax

spugsley

HALLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

MadMAxJr

I can't from the office.

Frank

@Lazers Dupe.

murgatroid99

@fredley It might explain why it doesn't work

That's not valid

fredley

9:43 PM

@murgatroid99 try now

Frank

Another one; last question asked about the game was the exact same thing.

murgatroid99

@fredley nope

fredley

@murgatroid99 :(

Unionhawk

...

That

murgatroid99

@fredley The autoplay text is gone entirely

Unionhawk

9:44 PM

May be the best use of a diamond

In the history

Frank

SE might prevent video autoplaying.

Unionhawk

Probably

fredley

@Frank SE is the worst

Frank

@fredley At least you're attempting to mod abuse your way to functionality!

fredley

It's funny how quickly attempts at fooling you guys into viewing that video devolve into overcoming basic security features of the internet.

murgatroid99

9:45 PM

Wait, shouldn't autoplay be an attribute of the <embed> tag?

Not part of the url

fredley

@murgatroid99 proobz

I could just sing it

You all know how it goes anyway

*ahem*

doo doo doo doo doo OOOOH OOOH OOOOOOOOOH

OOOOOH YEAH YEAAAAH, YEEEAH YEEAAAAAAAAAH

YEEEEEAH, YEEEEAH, YEEEEEAH YEEEAH YEAH YEEEEEAH

Frank

@fredley The only reason I know the song exists is because you guys are jerks.

I've never actually listened to it.

Wipqozn

Did I miss all the drama?

Unionhawk

Yes

Wipqozn

I was too busy killing things. Damn.

fredley

9:48 PM

→ 1 message moved to Android Enthusiasts

3

Shit

Unionhawk

That's a real room you idiot

Frank

@fredley Whoops.

You can't make up jokes like that.

fredley

They should come up with a name for their room that is less like Android Hell

Unionhawk

tbf, 7 hours since last message, so at least it wasn't disruptive

Frank

It would've been epic if a random Bridge message just showed up in the middle of their chat.

murgatroid99

9:51 PM

@Frank Not just a random Bridge message, a Bridge message that even we didn't want

Wipqozn

St Matthew Passion - Matthäus-Passion BWV 244 | (Complete) (Full Concert) (J. S. Bach)

►

@fredley Can'tr really listen to it all right now, but I like the start

e-mailig it to myself so listen to tomorrow at work

fredley

@Wipqozn unf. so good

Wipqozn

going to listen to it while I gather materials.

-3

Q: Help me identify this game

I used to play this game on my p4 PC way back in 2000/2001. It had RC like cars on a dirt track, but while racing you could pick up weapons and fire them at cars around you to obstruct them and allowing you to take the lead. You had weapons like missiles which i remember very clearly. It had nea...