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4:01 PM
@Mbraedley I'm curious how you can do that.
Short of ripping them yourself.
 
There are ways to buy them legally. Guess how people get MAME ROMs
 
Not through downloading them.
 
I'm just saying we shouldn't close on the assumption of copyright infringement.
 
@Mbraedley Unless there's a way to download them legally, I'm unsure of what else we CAN do.
 
@MBraedley There is no legal way to get an N64 ROM of a commercial game from that era other than having a copy of the cartridge and ripping out the data yourself.
MAME is irrelevant.
His question wasn't about how to clean up his cartridge rips, it was about how to evaluate the stuff he was downloading off the internet, which is pretty clearly and obviously not being purchased from any legitimate seller, because there is no such thing for the product in question.
 
4:12 PM
To clarify, the backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner (i.e. not the internet) of an authentic game to ensure they have one in the event of damage or destruction of the original.
 
@Lazers ... this is explained almost immediately in the game. <_<
 
That's all American law. All I'm saying is that just because it looks like copyright infringement does not mean we get to close it as such. We can still close for other reasons.
 
@MBraedley That's the law in any WIPO signatory, we've been over this before. I don't really care if it's legal in Cameroon.
 
ROMs are a grey area, whether it's SNES, Sega, or MAME ROMs.
 
@fredley Ah much better
Now I can test both on my tablet :3
 
4:16 PM
@MBraedley No, they aren't a grey area when it comes to their distribution over the internet. They might be a grey area morally, but the law is quite clear.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz it doesn't preclude a legitimate distributer from selling them!
 
@MBraedley There's no such thing in the case of Nintendo games! Or for that matter, any other home console of the past 30 years.
the fact that such a thing might theoretically exist is pure mental masturbation of the highest order.
 
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Q: Are bosses usually in the same location during a challenge?

zero298I'm trying to unlock the Golden Retriever animal class as the Beagle. However, I'm having a really hard time trying to find the boss animal to unlock. I'm in the correct district, I have looked all over the area, but I just cannot find him.

 
But we shouldn't be closing the question because they don't exist, we should close because we aren't willing to find them if they do exist
 
I'm not really interested in arguing about what level of infringement or circumvention might be morally permissible, or might theoretically occur if the rights holder decided to change their mind about what they sell. The facts exist, and there's no reason for us to ignore them.
@MBraedley what the fuck are you even talking about
do you realize how little sense you are making right now
honestly
 
4:20 PM
@RedRiderX You can! New binary required, as always
 
I am going to go do some work and not continue this fight
but I literally do not even comprehend this argument.
 
I don't care if his ROMs are legal. I don't care if he's looking for legal ROMs. I care that he's asking for a recommendation. That's why we should close the question.
 
@MBraedley Alright, case closed. It's fine to discuss legal opinions (legal advice is a no-no, obvuiously), but SE mods aren't lawyers, for all things legal policy related (site, content, or otherwise), we defer to the community managers.
 
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Q: How do you get the AB Destroyer in Saints Row IV?

ARADPLAUGI looked all over the Airport but couldn't find it. Are there any prerequisites?

 
4:32 PM
@Krazer I know, I'm just stating my opinion that when we have to option of not playing the copyright card, we should take that option. Copyright can be a sticky mess that we don't want to deal with.
Especially when it's not obvious and clear that copyright infringement did, is, or will take place.
 
I agree that it's fine to give ppl the benefit of the doubt, but we still need to let users know that these type (copyright-related) of topics are also off-topic
 
I got bored again
@fredley Kewl
Before anyone says they want to be in it I literally took the list of active people when I made it
So be in chat more.
 
@MBraedley Except that it is obvious and clear, because he's explicitly talking about N64 ROMs, and trying to concoct some magical scenario wherein somebody might somehow magically convince Nintendo to change it's existing distribution policies is pollyannaish and missing the point.
 
@RedRiderX But but but I was higher up on the active list than @kalina when you posted that.
And @Ronan for that matter.
 
4:46 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Can you, with 100% assurance, know that Nintendo hasn't in the recent past and won't in the foreseeable future, change it's mind about distributing N64 ROMs, or provide (or license) a way of legally backing up a cartridge ROM? No, you can't.
 
@MBraedley Recent past? Absolutely. Forseeable future? Doesn't matter. I care about now.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Do you know what the board of directors did 5 seconds ago?
 
@MBraedley what happens in the boardroom is irrelevant. If you'd like to counter my statement with a meaningful statement of factual evidence, rather than whacking off to hypotheticals, please do so, otherwise this conversation isn't going to go anywhere.
 
@MBraedley Do boards meet on Saturdays/Sundays? Barring emergency meetings, of course.
 
I'm just saying that the mere possibility of the question being on the up and up means that we should use copyright for a close reason as a last resort. We had other options here that we should have used. Mentioning copyright infringement is a Good Thing, but it isn't why the question should have been closed.
 
4:57 PM
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Q: Why don't some demomen suffer from afterburn?

Dan CI've noticed lately (maybe the last couple of months), playing as Pyro, that sometimes I'll light a demoman on fire and he doesn't suffer any afterburn. As soon as I stop hitting him with flames, they go out. Is there some new Demoman item or something that is causing this?

 
@Yuki Well I made it before I posted it :P
user image
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There how about now?
 
lol
 
Compared with the original.
Yeah mobile chat is really shaping up
 
@RedRiderX thanks
 
@fredley Do you think you should be able to hide that menu once you tap a message again?
Although that's what the X is for I guess.
 
5:12 PM
@RedRiderX Could do. I think I might remove touchstart events as it's getting confused when scrolling
@RedRiderX Yeah
I want to make the style a bit nicer too
Although right now I'm cooking a roast
Which is unrelated to the activities I was undertaking earlier today
 
@fredley :O
@fredley I'd say it looks pretty good.
 
@RedRiderX Just minor things, I'm pretty happy with it overall
 
Maybe let the sites have a bit more influence over the style of those buttons
 
@RedRiderX Meh, not that bothered. That colour is the new meta.SE banner colour
I can change the transcript!
 
Yeah it's not that bad
 
5:15 PM
@RedRiderX If you were British that would be about the rudest possible thing you could say.
Although you are Canadian so it might be anyway
 
No it's actually very versatile.
@fredley Interesting...
I'm not sure what else to work on for the tablet side
Maybe increase the size of links overall.
 
@RedRiderX Yeah, I haven't tried it in a while, but make buttons finger friendly.
 
Oh and I was going to ask you, what is the best way to store options?
 
Feel free to use those images I'm using for mobile buttons, their higher res than the sprite
 
Like an option for a dark theme?
 
5:19 PM
@RedRiderX I'll build in a JS hook that deals with it
 
Hmm okay
 
Or frankly just build it into the app
 
HELLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
Well I mean should I use local storage or...
 
Although old-style Android menus are no longer approved of
 
5:20 PM
I don't know what else I could use in this situation...
 
@RedRiderX localstorage doesn't work in webviews AFAIK
 
@fredley Oh
 
@RedRiderX Don't worry about it yet
 
Well then
@fredley Sure
 
@RedRiderX JS calls probably the easiest way, so something like Android.setTheme("dark");
 
5:21 PM
@fredley Ah okay
 
The Java code will manage persistence
Easier that way
 
@fredley Ah I see
 
5:44 PM
@RedRiderX Should have theme switching implemented soon
 
@fredley Kewl
 
@RedRiderX So it'll be a cross between Java and JS code
@RedRiderX Ping the Java endpoint and it'll send down the appropriate css file, but it's up the the JS to get rid of the old. Java side will remember last theme set and include theme css in any future pageloads
 
@fredley So it will just inject the styles?
 
@RedRiderX Yup
@RedRiderX And remember
 
5:52 PM
Is there any way for the JS to tell what theme is selected?
 
@RedRiderX Yes
 
Because it could just be encapsulated with a body class then
 
@RedRiderX I'll think on that, but should be straightforward
@RedRiderX neat, yes
@RedRiderX Ok, that might be a better way
@RedRiderX Ok, so now on pageload the server will include in all it's stuff a line something like setTheme("dark");
After everything else has been sent down
Including, presumably, a themes.css with all the themes
 
I see
And this will work for tablet and mobile layouts?
 
@RedRiderX As long as all the styles are in the right place, and the hook is in the js
 
5:57 PM
@spugsley Go back to sleeeeeeeeeeep!
@StrixVaria Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
 
Who else thinks @Fredley should have an easter egg as his avatar today?
 
@OrigamiRobot Schadenfreude.
 
@Fluttershy I'm not talking about the video
 
Oh.
 
6:14 PM
@OrigamiRobot Wait what are you talking about then?
 
DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW
 
wat
 
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EZcheezSo I just finished the playoffs with the Bulls, winning the playoffs. So now I played a game to start the season, then there's a cut scene at home. My agent tells me there's a KIA deal. Through I already got the deal before the playoffs started... I'm very mad. Here is some information: Team: C...

 
I REFRESHED MY SCREEN. THIS IS REAL.
 
6:15 PM
I'M LEAVING NOW
 
6:31 PM
@fredley It's starting to look not awful
Don't know what the colors of the star number should be though
 
@RedRiderX Nice!
@RedRiderX Like that looks cool
 
The yelllow feels a bit off
But I think it's the yellow SE stars are
 
@RedRiderX Yeah, I guess
 
@StrixVaria Strixvaria is mandatory
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In the init.js I'm declaring a theme switch function
 
6:36 PM
@fredley Ah okay
 
@RedRiderX Pushed changes to my branch, doesn't seem to have borken anything yet
Woo, theme switching works
Just from the console, but I'll merge it into master
When you're dealing with theme switching, use Android.setTheme()
 
Don't judge code on whether or not it works; judge it instead on whether or not it is broken/broke something/banned someone on accident. USER WAS FAT-FINGERED FOR THIS POST
 
As for current theme you can read it from the body class
For full site shouldn't be any other classes on there
 
@RedRiderX What on Earth ...
 
@FEichinger @RedRiderX is an up and coming Bridge fanfic writer.
By posting his work on the Bridge, everything becomes wonderfully meta.
Soon enough, fanfics about real discussions about fake fanfics will start
 
6:45 PM
My head. It hurts.
 
> "And it shall be glorious," badp finished, waiting for a pained response from @FEi.
2
> It was then that @RonanForman peeked into the room, and the first thing he read was, "It was then that @RonanForman peeked into the room." He proceeded to leave the room expeditiously.
 
@FEichinger Protip: stop thinking about a Bridge fanfic. It will end in nightmares.
 
Unfortunately I read the @FEich message first.
 
@Unionhawk And that would be terrible for the people living under his bed
 
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Q: How do you get the Angry Tiger in Saints Row IV?

ARADPLAUGPretty self-explanatory. Couldn't find anything on the wiki or online in general.

 
6:50 PM
In all honesty ... I'm more confused as to why I'm Stanislaw Sosabowski.
 
@FEichinger I have my reasons
Those being no reasons at all
 
I didn't know you were ontologically challenged, @RedRiderX
 
@fredley And pass in a theme alias or... what?
 
@badp Exactly, you might wake @spugsley in your terror @FEi
 
...
closes tab
 
6:52 PM
Lies
I'm calling your bluff right now
 
SO MANY UNTRUTHS
 
Worst case scenario I'm exercising my right to be wrong on the internet.
@fredley oi
Oh that was @badp
@badp oi
 
@FEichinger Are you questioning my knowledge of existence!?
 
@Unionhawk the ban button is right next to the "report as wrong to the secret internet police" one
 
Good. Maybe you can find me some more answers.
 
6:56 PM
I was referring to when @fredley accidentally banned @RedRiderX with JavaScript tyvm
 
@RedRiderX no, that was me
bbl
 
@Unionhawk Heh that was fun
And by fun I mean not fun at all
@badp GOLL DARN WHY DOES CHAT KEEP MOVING
 
@RedRiderX Go home, you're drunk.
 
BUT I AM HOME
AND I'M NOT DRUNK I WAS JUST BUILDING A DECK
WELL
I WAS JUST HAMMERING NAILS ON A DECK
WELL
I WAS HAMMERING
ON A DECK
 
@RedRiderX is hammered
 
7:07 PM
ಠ_ಠ
It's looking less awful by the minute.
Hmm
I'm not actually sure where to put the settings
On mobile it could just be another menu page
 
VOICE CONTROLLED SETTINGS!!
 
I don't know about tablet
 
"Ok RedRiderEcs, give me the dark skin"
 
@badp This is the obvious solution.
Bam, dark skin achieved.
ish
 
Steam. Steam. You're drunk steam. Go offline.
 
7:43 PM
...and unsurprisingly Tower of Guns runs unplayably slow.
You'd think running a single player FPS at low framerate would help (usually that means playing with a slowdown) but that's not the case.
 
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Q: Can I create my own warp connection?

XenoxPlaying as Sol Force one of my systems went supernova. Besides costing the lives of a billion of my citizens, which by itself was already pretty inconvenient, there are now no active node connections between two halves of my empire. Is there a way to create my own connection between the two h...

 
8:13 PM
Summer Glau was being a badass on Arrow again, and then she got shot. She's just so awesome when she's being a badass.
And then spoilers happened
 
I really don't like her character.
I don't like Summer Glau in a lot of things, actually, now that I'm thinking about it.
 
uh
after playing 1 world of Krunch, I'm 120th on its global leaderboards.
Poor Krunch.
 
8:38 PM
An interesting picture
 
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Ohai @NOPE.
 
Good ol Nope
 
wat
 
8:53 PM
@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment This like it will become an upstanding site.
users also following
100.0% Trolling
100.0% Social Engineering
 
@Ullallulloo We have a "Trolling" proposal on A51?
 
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25 followers
 
table status: [ ] standing upright [ ] standing upside down [×] in non-controlled flight
 
@RedRiderX Is borken for me, borken for you?
 
@Ullallulloo I am slightly disturbed by the fact that 20% are also following Moderators.
 
8:56 PM
@FEichinger Well, 2 of them are moderators.
 
@3ventic That's still less than half of those 20%!
 
*3
recent followers
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66.3k●69●372●858
 
Well, trolls need to know about moderation to bypass it, don't they :p
 
@badp 'Follow' is not the same as 'support'
 
Good thing we're talking about followers.
 
8:58 PM
I just want to see what happens
 
What happens is the site moves forward with enough supporters!
 
Whoever proposed it is clearly an expert in their field
 
@fredley His MSO participation is actually pretty weak
 
@badp MSO MSE
s/MSO/MSE/g
 
IRRELEVANT
> seen Oct 22 '13 at 14:24
 
9:00 PM
@badp HIGHLY RELEVANT
 
He's never even seen MSE
ALSO NOT RELEVANT:
 
@badp MORE RELEVANT THAN PREVIOUS IRRELEVANCE
 
IRRELEVANCE LEVELS RISING
 
@badp MAXIMUM OVERIRRELEVANCE
 
NACK
Minimum underrelevance would be along the lines of "I AM ALARMINGLY TALLER THAN A REFERENCE PEAR."
I think.
Not even.
I think it'd need to involve something not in here
 
9:06 PM
@badp FIRST GIS RESULT:
 
TALLER THAN REFERENCE PEAR LEVELS: [ ] NORMAL [ ] TROUBLING [×] ALARMING?
 
9:17 PM
DÉ GVSTIBVS NÓN EST DISPVTANDVM
 
@fredley haven't downloaded in a while
What is borken?
 
@RedRiderX Think I've got it
JS that's injected to load themes.css was borken
yarp
 
@MartinSojka de accentibus est
 
So are the build being pushed to S3 yet?
 
Hmm? I didn't put any accents anywhere, as far as I can see.
 
9:27 PM
@RedRiderX Yes, but manual not automatic
 
Ah right
Uhh
Where on S3?
 
s3://chatsey
 
I still only see remote
 
Oh, sorry
builds are not pushed yet
 
...
 
9:28 PM
I'M DRUNK DEAL WITH IT
4
ahem
 
OKAY WHERE IS THE LINK NOW
 
@RedRiderX THE LINK IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE
 
@fredley WERE YOU HAMMERING DECKS TOO
 
@RedRiderX NO BUT I WAS EATING ROAST
 
@fredley At this hour!?
 
9:29 PM
@fredley SAME THING
 
@James THIS HOUR IS AN APPROPRIATE HOUR
 
@fredley Pft
 
@RedRiderX HAMMERING DECKS == EATING ROAST: DATA ACCEPTED
DO YOU WANT A BUILD OR NOT?
 
HMMMF
WELL MAYBE I DONT
 
@RedRiderX I'M ADDING BUILDS TO THE BUILD
 
9:31 PM
SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN
 
BECAUSE I HEARD YOU LIKE BUILDS
 
REALLY
WHO TOLD YOU THAT
 
WHY ARE WE YELLING?
 
@FEichinger WHAT!?
NOTHING COULD POSSIBLE WRONG NOPE NOTHING LOOKS STRANGE HERE
 
@FEichinger ILL DO IT! Ill take the Ring to Mordor!
 
9:34 PM
*{text-transform: lowercase;}
 
@fredley This is the obvious solution
 
@RedRiderX I actually have it in my stylesheet for Origami
 
Heh
 
.user-16521 .messages .message .content {
    text-transform: lowercase;
}
 
Heh
Easter egg
 
9:35 PM
Ought to add that to ChatSEy...
 
Yes please
It's like the new ignore
the lowercase virus in the stylesheet
 
git commit -m "Quieten OrigamiRobot"
btw builds are on S3
somewhere
 
Kewl
 
/builds/ChatSEy-0.7.apk
 
Oh we're up to .7 already?
 
9:37 PM
Next up: URL intercepts
Yup
 
@fredley Yeah all other se links open in app
 
@RedRiderX Yup, I'll register it for chat.SE.com
@RedRiderX yes?
 
@FEichinger CAN YOU KEEP IT DOWN IN HERE? JEEZ.
 
5 mins ago, by fredley
*{text-transform: lowercase;}
 
@fredley I'LL TEXT TRANSFORM YOUR FACE
 
9:39 PM
@Unionhawk No silly that's font-family
@fredley is this build supposed to have the stuff I committed today?
 
@RedRiderX Did you push to master?
Also have you been writing Java code? Because that's the only thing that affects the build
 
@fredley I think so
@fredley And I don't think so
 
Oooh right
@fredley Oooooh
 
@RedRiderX New JS is loaded at runtime
But new Java requires a new build
 
9:43 PM
But I have to upload the new js and css?
 
As long as you push your updated JS to S3
@RedRiderX Yes
 
Ooooooooooooh
Oops
 
Silky @RedRiderX
 
@fredley Oooh so soft
So suave
 
Mobile chat still has its issues...
 
9:44 PM
So light
So fresh
 
Very luxury
 
So... debonair.
 
@RedRiderX lol
 
@fredley wow
 
> we use only the finest redriderx in our products
@fredley so how am I supposed to refresh the js and css the app is pulling
I uploaded the new stuff to S3
 
9:48 PM
@RedRiderX Just reload the page
It'll pull the new files
Or go back to the menu and back into chat
or something
Any time you update the files that's what the app fetches
@RedRiderX When we do a proper release we'll freeze the JS/CSS into a folder for that release
But this works for now
 
Ah probably a good idea
Yeah... I still don't see the new stuff...
What the heck
 
@RedRiderX Without the Chrome debug tools it's hard to work out why
 

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