The Bridge

I'm a little confused as how that works considering the collectible thingies. And if it doesn't use the collectibles, then I don't see why anyone would want it.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot that part of the palm is actually touching the mouse, in my case

it's not fully resting on it, but it is touching

Origami Robot

3:39 PM

@Chippies If that part of my palm is not fully supported, it hurts after a while

Matt Эллен

OK. Is this a good remake?

badp

@MattЭллен people have mixed feelings on that one

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot I guess you have really big hands and you curve your hand to fully grip the mouse?

Matt Эллен

because Duck Tales was a great game

Rapitor

@MattЭллен i've heard it stayed pretty true to the original, but added some things that people didn't like

like cutscenese

Chippies

3:39 PM

I have never heard anyone else complain about such a thing

badp

there's plenty of YouTube videos on the topic

Matt Эллен

interesting.

Chippies

but I don't really know any PC users with extraordinarily big hands either

badp

The main new feature is the cutscenes have the original voice actors from the show

including Scrooge's who was like 92 at the time of recording

Origami Robot

I don't think my hands are extraordinarily big

Matt Эллен

3:40 PM

:-O

Frank

@MattЭллен It's pretty decent. Haven't played it, though.

I'd wait a couple days, though; Steam sales incoming.

Sterno

Tomorrow I'm going to eat turkey until I almost pass out. Then I'll cram down some ham.

Matt Эллен

@Frank good point

Frank

@Sterno I hope you give Skydrift a sharpie so she can draw on you while you're passed out.

badp

@MattЭллен 76 minutes apparently

Frank

3:43 PM

►

Matt Эллен

@badp oh man. are they unskippable in the game?

Sterno

@Frank There are many rules of parenting, but chief among them is never give a small child a permanent marker.

Frank

@Sterno Even if she knows better than to draw on the wall?

Origami Robot

@Chippies If I put my hand on my mouse straight on, my thumb sits on G18

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Frank mumumuno53.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-24.html

Origami Robot

3:45 PM

If I angle the mouse so that my thumb is on G13, it doesn't hurt

Chippies

what the hell, how do you even use the mouse?

3ventic

Dark bum <3

Chippies

my thumb is on g13/g12 by default

Sterno

@Frank "knows better" ain't got nothin' to do with it

Chippies

between the first column and 2nd column of the thumb buttons kinda

I actually find the last column of thumb buttons really annoying to press

Frank

3:46 PM

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Yeah, I saw that.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot the only explanation I can see is that you either a) angle your hand in a weird way that makes no sense or b) your index and middle fingers are much longer proportionally relative to the thumb

Origami Robot

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot that's... confusing my brain

you seem to be holding it at an angle, no?

Sterno

Today I get to sit in the office, lonely, and be jealous of all the coworkers who are taking an early holiday.

Origami Robot

@Chippies No, that's straight

Chippies

3:48 PM

like, your forearm is coming from the right side of the mouse?

Frank

@Sterno But that also means you have the chance to get work done, right?

Rapitor

its got buttons

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot There's Advil right there to help you with the hand pain.

Chippies

my arm goes to the left of the mouse and the thumb fits just fine between the first 2 thumb button columns

Sterno

@Frank There's always a chance I'll get work done.

Frank

3:49 PM

@Sterno And now you have a better chance!

Origami Robot

@Chippies arm angle has nothing to do with hand angle.

Sterno

Debatable

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot if your arm goes to right side, it means your wrist has to either adjust for proper mouse holding or hold it wrong

Rapitor

i kind of hold mouse like a crane game claw. palm is no where near it

Origami Robot

@Chippies It's just like that for the picture.

Chippies

3:51 PM

@OrigamiRobot well, in that case I don't really understand why your thumb doesn't reach any further

5pike

I switched to vertical mice a year ago. Was a pretty good decision.

Although they are somewhat pricey.

But they are so comfortable.

Chippies

huh, my wrist also seems angled to the right in the picture

Rapitor

@5pike they are like weird joysticks

Origami Robot

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot okay, I think I came to the conclusion that your thumb is quite short

5pike

3:53 PM

@Rapitor Not really. They are awkward at first, but you get used to it quickly.

Sterno

Manhands are gross

Arperum

6 minutes until weekend!

Chippies

Origami Robot

@Chippies It looks like your whole hand is angled. Your index finger seems to hang off the edge at the base.

Chippies

creepy bridge time, lets all post our hands

@OrigamiRobot my hand is angled, to the left

Lazers

3:56 PM

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Q: How to farm power points in Dragon Age Inquisition?

I made the mistake of opening up new regions to explore by spending 8 power points a piece. Now I just realized that all of my power points are spent and the main quests still require 20 to 40 power points. I have closed all but two rifts in the hinder lands, and only have a few quests available ...

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Chippies

that's the only natural way I can hold the mouse, the shape of the mouse seems to indicate that's how I should hold it

Origami Robot

Then we're not even talking about the same thing!

Chippies

my hand fits naturally in the grooves of the mouse if I have it slightly angled to left

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Frank Have you seen the Gray and Red Zeta MG Kits?

Origami Robot

I'm talking about straight on.

Batophobia

3:57 PM

Apparently today is "Post pictures of your mouse" day on the Bridge

Frank

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ I don't believe so, no.

Origami Robot

12 mins ago, by Origami Robot

If I angle the mouse so that my thumb is on G13, it doesn't hurt

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot but why are we talking about straight on, if that's not how you hold the mouse?

Origami Robot

Because that's how I want to hold it, but it hurts.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot but why do you want to hold it that way?

you can't even reach the thumb buttons like that

Origami Robot

3:59 PM

I don't even use the thumb buttons.

Chippies

then why do you even have a G600?

Origami Robot

@Chippies So that when my hand is straight, my mouse is straight.

@Chippies BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY THING WIDE ENOUGH TO NOT HURT TO USE

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot I have never held a mouse completely straight

Origami Robot

AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Chippies

I don't think mice are meant to be held completely straight

3ventic

4:00 PM

GG there's a fibre cable went snap and whole ISP offline to the rest of the world

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot but you said it hurts :P

Origami Robot

It hurts the least.

5pike

@OrigamiRobot I suggest you invest in a vertical mouse.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot there are bigger mice than G600

5pike

Or at least look at them.

Chippies

4:01 PM

@AshleyNunn uses some Microsoft mouse that's giant

Arperum

@3ventic Fun times.

Origami Robot

@Chippies Sold in stores?

Kevin van der Velden

@3ventic oh joy

That can take a while

Origami Robot

If I can't put my hand on it before I buy it, it's pointless.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot online stores, yeah

I'd assume you can find them in a store

but they are kinda rare

Origami Robot

4:02 PM

@5pike Show me

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Frank They look pretty cool. Gray is on preorder now, Red is Dec/Feb.

Chippies

I wish there was a G600-mini, with the same amount of buttons, but smaller physical shape

but I guess that can't be done in decent way

Origami Robot

The G600 at least has the shift button that I can rest my pinky on so it has some support no matter what.

Lazers

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Q: How does one obtain Inquisition Points in Dragon Age Inquisition?

I noticed in the Dragon Age Inquisition war table there are options to purchase (what I think are called) party abilities which cost Inquisition Points, however I am at a loss on where these points come from. How does one obtain Inquisition Points in Dragon Age Inquisition? Does there exist pos...

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Chippies

@OrigamiRobot how the hell do you rest your pinky on the ring finger button? :O

Origami Robot

4:04 PM

Ring finger is for right click.

Chippies

unless you mean on the side of it

Batophobia

Hey guys! What's eating you? Ha ha ha it's me! Oh, what fun we have.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot that's just... no...

Origami Robot

Middle finger is for scroll.

Chippies

no wonder your hands hurt

Origami Robot

4:04 PM

What are you, a caveman?

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot how often do you scroll and left click at same time?

Kevin van der Velden

I agree with @OrigamiRobot, what kind of weirdo caveman are you @Chippies?

Origami Robot

Often enough to not want to move my fingers every time.

Chippies

@KevinvanderVelden The kind that uses his mouse in a way that doesn't hurt his hand.

@OrigamiRobot do you ever use scroll wheel left and scroll wheel right?

Origami Robot

Yes, for copy/paste

Kevin van der Velden

4:06 PM

@Chippies my hand doesn't hurt either

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot and you do that with your middle finger?

Origami Robot

yes

Chippies

you are horrible

Origami Robot

If I used my middle finger for right click, no mouse would ever be big enough

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot what, where did you even get that idea? why would you even think about doing that? what?

is your index finger dead and you can't use it that you have to shift all fingers to left?

@OrigamiRobot edits are cheating, ok

Sconibulus

4:09 PM

I think the most common thing is pinky on desk, ring finger on pinky, other fingers on mouse

Chippies

even putting my hand on the mouse for a second, the way you describe it, hurts

Origami Robot

What is the second way I describe?

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot re-read it

I guess some commas might help? idk

yes, that's better

Origami Robot

2 mins ago, by Chippies

@OrigamiRobot edits are cheating, ok

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot IT MADE SENSE BEFORE EDITS, K

at least to me

Origami Robot

4:12 PM

Look, one finger per button. It's perfect. Why do you hate freedom?

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot comfort > forced freedom

Frank

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Zeta's not one I'm familiar with.

Origami Robot

How is that more comfortable?

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot you're the one complaining about hurting

Origami Robot

If I did that, half my hand would be hanging off the edge

Chippies

4:13 PM

as it should

Origami Robot

40 secs ago, by Origami Robot

How is that more comfortable?

Chippies

42 secs ago, by Chippies

@OrigamiRobot you're the one complaining about hurting

Origami Robot

Then my hand would look like a mangled mess.

I'm saying your way would hurt more.

Chippies

I have never complained about my hand hurting the way I hold it

badp

my middle finger is on right click duty

Chippies

4:14 PM

you, on the other hand (pun?), are

Origami Robot

I don't understand how your hand can be in that shape and not hurt

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot it's in a resting position, fits all the grooves in the mouse

if I put my hand on the mouse in a resting position, that's exactly how it goes on it

Origami Robot

You have a whole metacarpal just free floating!

It's like sitting with half your butt off the seat.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot except your hand isn't a butt and your mouse isn't a seat

2

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Frank those two are from Evolve I believe

Chippies

4:16 PM

and your hand is still on the desk/mousepad

Origami Robot

1 min ago, by Origami Robot

You have a whole metacarpal just free floating!

Chippies

your analogy would be more applicable if you said it's like sitting with half of your butt on the chair and the other half on another chair, with both chairs put next to each other

Sconibulus

@Chippies and, depending on the chair design, this is sometimes more comfortable

StrixVaria

Hm. The way I hold a mouse, the tip of my thumb and the tip of my pinky are the only things touching the desk. The ring finger is just barely off the right click button, and I use my middle finger for both middle and right click.

Oh I guess the heel of my palm is on the desk too.

And my entire forearm, of course.

Origami Robot

And your feet, obviously.

StrixVaria

4:19 PM

What do my feet have to do with it?

Chippies

anything past my wrist is off the desk

including the actual wrist itself

Origami Robot

My arm up to my elbow is typically on my desk.

Chippies

the bottom of my palm is usually on the edge of the desk

Origami Robot

With my elbow itself hanging off.

Matt Эллен

I mash everything with my fists and hope

Chippies

4:21 PM

Origami Robot

4 mins ago, by Origami Robot

1 min ago, by Origami Robot

You have a whole metacarpal just free floating!

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot gives freedom to move the mouse without moving my hand

StrixVaria

Oh weird. I never paid attention before, but I use my pointer finger for middle clicking but my middle finger for the scroll wheel.

Origami Robot

I can do that anyway!

Chippies

I use my pinky to grip the mouse

pinky and thumb grips the mouse

if your pinky is on top of the mouse, you can't move the mouse without pushing it with your palm

Rapitor

4:23 PM

Origami Robot

I don't use my thumb to grip anything

StrixVaria

My mouse doesn't move at all relative to my hand, motion is mostly from the elbow.

Origami Robot

My thumb could be out to the side for all I care.

Chippies

@Rapitor fingertip is the best

Rapitor

@Chippies yes it is

Chippies

4:23 PM

@OrigamiRobot so, you just push the mouse around with your palm?

Origami Robot

No

I use my fingertips.

Chippies

how do you even move the mouse without gripping it with any of the fingers?

@OrigamiRobot how do you push it up/forward?

Origami Robot

36 secs ago, by Origami Robot

I use my fingertips.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot does that include the thumb?

Origami Robot

No

My index and ring fingers are doing most of the push/pulling

Chippies

4:26 PM

@OrigamiRobot how do you push with those fingers, when the mouse is tilted downwards in that direction?

Origami Robot

I can't even make sense of that question.

Chippies

especially when your palm is resting on the mouse

I can't make sense of how you move your mouse

Origami Robot

Friction is a thing

Rapitor

i'm all self conscious about how i am holding/using my mouse now, thanks jerks

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot is your mouse sticky? you should clean it

Origami Robot

4:28 PM

@Chippies Are your fingers silky smooth?

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot G600 has hydrophobic coating and it's pretty smooth

Origami Robot

I said fingers

Chippies

unless I press down on it, I can't push it forward with my index and ring fingers

and if I push down, I press the buttons

Origami Robot

You don't push down

Chippies

I wish my shitty phone took videos in anything other than 3gp, converting is so annoying

A video of Chippies groping his mouse

Matt Эллен

4:32 PM

phones the RSPCA

Origami Robot

@Chippies "Good little mouse"

Frank

Gamestop is taking advantage of Cubic Ninja; used copies are priced at $40.

Chippies

@Frank supply/demand, makes sense

Rapitor

@Chippies NSFW

Chippies

@Rapitor depends on where you work, I guess

Batophobia

4:35 PM

@Chippies Hot hand-on-mouse action

Chippies

@Batophobia is that... a work place? If so, where do I apply?

I'll send in that video as my resume

5pike

@OrigamiRobot Oh, excuse me, I was driving home. Just a second...

Batophobia

@Chippies That video is a pretty good submission for interview

5pike

@OrigamiRobot I use this mouse at work Evolution 4

Origami Robot

@Chippies dropbox.com/s/i1iarb0luele0do/2014-11-26%2016.34.55.mp4?dl=0

Does that work?

Chippies

4:37 PM

@OrigamiRobot the video works, yea

It sent my mind straight to the gutter

badp

:o

Sterno

> It's possible, and probably likely, that Nintendo will work to close the exploit in a future firmware update.

Origami Robot

> Lighted Evoluent logo

Best feature

Sterno

> probably likely

5pike

@OrigamiRobot Yeah... IDK why they even bother with that.

Chippies

4:39 PM

@OrigamiRobot I don't know what to say, except that I'm sure you're missing out on speed and accuracy by eliminating thumb and pinky from the gripping process

Sterno

PROBABLY IS NOT A WORD THAT IS NEEDED, THERE

badp

@Sterno well he doesn't KNOW if it is LIKELY or just POSSIBLE

Chippies

I can move my mouse almost as fast and precise with just my thumb and pinky as I can with all my fingers together

badp

but he THINKS it is more LIKELY than POSSIBLE

Chippies

thumb and pinky are the backbone of mouse movements

Lazers

4:40 PM

0

Q: Where do I my buy second mount for journeyman Pandaran?

I need to find out where I can buy a better mount for my Pandaran Monk. I just got journeyman riding for 50 gold. I have first mount for apprentice but not the next highest

world-of-warcraft

Frank

@Sterno Probably. But that just means you don't update your 3DS.

badp

or at least I THINK

MAYBE

Sterno

@badp He should shut his pie hole if he can't add meaningful analysis!

badp

It's maybe probably likely.

Origami Robot

@Chippies I can do that with just the fingers I use.

5pike

4:41 PM

@OrigamiRobot If the evolution is to expensive, you can try this one - Anker mouse. I use the wired one at home. Not as comfortable as the Evolution, but much cheaper.

badp

I mean, it stands to reason.

It's reasonably maybe probably likely.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot I just don't see it being failsafe enough to be on par with a more common gripping technique

badp

I mean, Nintendo has the appearance of giving a shit about this kind of stuff.

It's apparently reasonably maybe probably likely.

Chippies

if I do it and my fingers get sweaty and I really try, I can move my mouse with just the index and ring finger, but it's very likely to lose grip, especially if I try to move the mouse fast

Origami Robot

... what?

Frank

4:42 PM

@badp They've already removed the game from the eShop.

Chippies

and clicking while moving doesn't seem to be an option

Sterno

@Chippies so much out of context potential ruined by the word "mouse"

Chippies

@Sterno Your plans have been foiled, Sir!

Origami Robot

When I actually move my mouse, I use all my fingers.

badp

@Frank Well that's what it seems like, it might also be a technical snafu!

It's seemingly apparently reasonably maybe probably likely.

Frank

4:44 PM

And @badp is going overboard on the wodgy words. Got it.

Origami Robot

My point is that most of the work is being done by my index/ring fingers.

I don't actually hold my thumb and pinky out like that.

Chippies

When I move my mouse, I use all my fingers more or less equally

but I can't use just the index and middle finger, but I can use just the thumb and pinky

2

the ring finger is useless

Origami Robot

Keep in mind my dpi is 3000 so I need very little actual movement to get around.

badp

@Frank It's like zelda bosses, you have to hit it three times to ascertain you've figured it out

It's certainly seemingly apparently reasonably maybe probably likely.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Your mom makes very little actual movement, and gets around

Chippies

4:46 PM

Hey guys, is Origami bad at FPS games?

badp

@fredley Your face is immovably certainly seemingly apparently reasonably maybe probably likely.

Frank

@Chippies I dunno about FPS, but he's pretty decent at Monster Hunter.

Chippies

@Frank that doesn't require holding mouse properly and being accurate though

Rapitor

@Chippies robots are pretty good at fps.. they have aimbots

Chippies

@Rapitor this one's made of paper, I don't know if he has aimbots...

badp

4:48 PM

@Rapitor clearly Origami should just stick a finger in the USB port already and be done with it

3ventic

Cursed Eye is the worst item

badp

@3ventic You have to be careful not to be hit while charging your shot

Chippies

@badp maybe he's already doing it and the mouse is just to throw us off

badp

Tears up help. If your tear frequency increases the charging time goes down.

Origami Robot

I like how it's beyond your comprehension that the way I have been using a mouse all my life makes my method just as accurate and precise as yours.

Chippies

4:49 PM

@OrigamiRobot It's more like, how you describe it, not necessarily how you use it.

I don't know how you use it, besides how you described it

badp

It's frequently immovably certainly seemingly apparently reasonably maybe probably likely.

Chippies

but anyways, I'm glad it works for you, too bad it hurts though

fredley

How long before we section @badp?

Origami Robot

None of that has anything to do with why it hurts.

badp

@fredley It might take a while, you probably want to be patient.

It's patiently frequently immovably certainly seemingly apparently reasonably maybe probably likely.

fredley

4:51 PM

@badp literally

Chippies

36 mins ago, by Origami Robot

I don't understand how your hand can be in that shape and not hurt

it has something to do with why it hurts, according to you

Origami Robot

sigh No

My whole hand doesn't hurt.

It has nothing to do with movement.

It has everything to do with the rightmost metacarpal hanging off an edge when resting.

badp

Protip: if your hand is in pain, do not ignore the pain. Stop using the mouse or keyboard and rest.

5pike

@badp And get something ergonomic

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot the way you move the mouse has to do with how you hold it

badp

4:53 PM

@5pike but for here and now, rest.

5pike

@badp Yes

Chippies

otherwise we wouldn't have got to where we are now

Origami Robot

I can't hold the mouse in a way to make it wider!

Sterno

@Chippies I seem to remember @origamirobot getting caught by guards when trying to enter the bathroom a lot

fredley

Did anybody try out my RSI method?

Lazers

4:54 PM

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Q: Download PSN games externally

I have very slow internet at home which makes updating games a nightmare. for example, a 2GB update for Destiny has recently come out, and since you have to be online to play the game I cannot play it again until I download this update. This will probably take a full day for me as I get about 2...

psn ps4 playstation

fredley

Can't remember who I told about it

Anyway, it cured my RSI with 0 money spent on ergonomic stuff/therapy, and I still use my computer slouched over.

LIVING THE DREAM

Origami Robot

@Chippies The only reason we got to where we are now is because I was saying that your finger placement would make even more of my hand hang which would lead to more pain.

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