The Bridge

Sconibulus

6:00 PM

I'ma go with spam

Alice Rees

Thanks for the despoilering folks, as in, thanks for clearing it up and getting rid of the spoilers

Mad Scientist

@badp Me neither, but for such a major endgame spoiler they're the minor evil. And your title is pretty meaningless, but any meaningful title would be a spoiler anyway

The alternative would be more filler in the beginning of the post, which is also pretty ugly

badp

Going for the kind of spoiler that doesn't make sense unless you're spoiled is easier said than done

Here is a better attempt

Lazers

0

Q: How can Elizabeth survive the plot twist?

Given the plot twist explained above, how can she even exist?

bioshock-infinite

badp

There

Fluttershy

6:07 PM

Yayyy! I found a Magic Mirror!

badp

Now your enjoyment of the game is forever ruined, Bridge. You are welcome

Sconibulus

wait, there's a plot twist with some person called Elizabeth in a game? SPOILERS!

Retrosaur

The question doesnt even make sense

As in, it's completely wrong

Alice Rees

d'oh

Retrosaur

It's like if i were to ask a question about the ending of Doom, asking "Why does the protagonist fly away on magical pink pony?"

But that's not the real ending! hell, I have no clue what the ending is

Ullallulloo

6:14 PM

From cdc.gov:

Retrosaur

>Read first line

>Comic sans

I didn't even care enough to read anymore of it @Ullallulloo

Ullallulloo

@Retrosaur That's why I posted it.

Powerlord

@Retrosaur I didn't think Pinkie Pie could fly or do magic. Did you mean Twilight Sparkle, who is purple? :P

Sconibulus

@Powerlord that's his entire point, it doesn't make sense

Ullallulloo

@Retrosaur You have to put a space to activate quotes.

Ben Brocka

6:16 PM

@Ullallulloo oh god why

Ullallulloo

Although I don't know what you're quoting...

Powerlord

I could have said "Doom has an ending?"

Which it does, but as I recall, it's just a wall of text.

StrixVaria

@Lazers I finally decided that I'm going to spoil Bioshock Infinite for myself (based on it being so hard to avoid them and studies suggesting you enjoy stuff more when it's spoiled), so I read this. Holy crap now I really, really want to play this game.

Powerlord

And then you return to Earth and find out that Earth has also been overrun in Doom 2.

Ben Brocka

@Powerlord And a scrolling picture

Can't forget the scrolling picture

Powerlord

6:18 PM

pantsu!

Ben Brocka

...I don't remember pantsu in Doom

Powerlord

@BenBrocka I would hope not, since pantsu is what Japanese girls call panties.

Ben Brocka

Hence my statement

Fluttershy

"Skeletron has been defeated!" Yayy!

Powerlord

I wonder how hard it would be to modified the TF2 announcer voices to sound like GLaDOS.

Probably have to do each one manually, and that's boring.

I'd be better off updating arena_lumberyard and arena_ravine to be koth maps. People did both already, but koth_lumberyard has missing mid-doors and a buggy capture point, while koth_ravine has missing spawn doors.

user15026

6:22 PM

Whee, sleep acquired. Also, who the hell ordered a ice storm thing for April? It's cold!

Powerlord

Actually, if I did redo them, I'd need to redo the spawn for koth_ravine anyway, as a single spawn door is bad.

user15026

Koth maps?

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn King of the Hill.

user15026

Ah, okay. :)

Powerlord

In TF2, both arena and koth maps have a single control point, so you can kinda convert one to the other.

user15026

6:23 PM

That makes it convenient!

Powerlord

Except that arena maps don't have respawning, so the spawn areas aren't proper respawn rooms

badp

@power add Egypt to the list

user15026

Is that a hard fix?

Unionhawk

@badp List of...?

Sconibulus

@AshleyNunn lucky... we have 90F here...

kalina

6:25 PM

Can this be reopened now please:

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Q: Can I use a PC license to play the Mac version?

If I buy SimCity for PC, released this week, will I need to buy it again when the Mac version comes out or does the PC license entitle me to the Mac version? The SimCity Mac FAQ has recently changed to say once said: Q: If I buy on the PC, can I also play on Mac? A: Only select EA titl...

simcity

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn I don't think so. I haven't done much map editing, but there's a page dedicated just to creating respawn rooms.

badp

@Ashley I'm afraid the problem is you can compile maps and you can't edit compiled maps

kalina

Maxis/EA confirmed the answer officially today

Powerlord

@badp tf2maps.net have decompiled versions of Valve maps.

user15026

@sconibulus lucky? I am freezing my bits off.

Powerlord

6:26 PM

So, apparently it IS possible to decompile them.

badp

Oh. That's nice

So where is cp_Egypt_pro?

I guess people just don't care about that map.

Powerlord

Decompiled maps

badp

At any rate I've been rather bothered by the invisible walls scattered everywhere in the game

Powerlord

@badp No, and I finally got permission from the main admin on RUGC Midwest to create a separate mapcycle from the nominations list. egypt was one of the maps I removed. \o/

Unionhawk

@badp Egypt is already not-winter :P

badp

6:29 PM

Please also remove party in the USA

Powerlord

pl_thundermountain is another map that has one major bug (that I really want to call an exploit) involving building sentry guns on the roof of the final point in the final section.

badp

If you haven't already

Powerlord

@badp That one's been gone for a while.

Even from the nominations list.

badp

I suppose the map lists are mostly shared between all rugc servers

Powerlord

However, trainsawlaser is on there now...

@badp Not... really.

badp

6:30 PM

Good. The Europe admin unfortunately seems a fan of that piece of crap

Powerlord

RUGC servers are all indepdently run.

@badp janinge is? Really?

Then again, he plays more on Reddit Midwest located in the eastern US than on his own server in Europe.

Oh yeah, I forgot to say what the problem was with thundermountain. You can build a sentry on the far side of the roof of part 3, point C, but stickies/grenades/rockets/sniper rifles can't hit it up there.

because of invisible walls

Literally the only places you can hit it from is past the area where it can shoot you from.... and the very opening of the area by A.

So, of course, you just have DemoMen sticky the only entrance to A that the sentry can't see and lock out the attacking team.

So yeah, that one exploit made me remove thundermountain from RUGC Midwest's mapcycle.

Unionhawk

@Powerlord Lord. Yeah, that's a pretty big exploit... I don't think even egypt's broken sentry spot is as broken as that...

Powerlord

We just removed egypt because it's bad

Although both of these maps are still in the nominate list, which is more than can be said for almost all ctf maps.

Unionhawk

@Powerlord ctf has a bad reputation for being turtle-y. Which isn't exactly an undeserved reputation...

Powerlord

6:46 PM

We have 4 CTF maps in our nominate list: ctf_doublecross, ctf_well, ctf_turbine_pro_rc2 (or something), and one shenanigans map: ctf_vikings

No wait, ctf_vitalism is in there too... but vitalism is a shenanigans map kinda too... the flag capture spots are in the map center. ctf_haunt is basically the same map, but halloween themed.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria If Lemongrab were a Magic token, what would he be?

Ullallulloo

buttersafe.com/2013/04/11/forget

Unionhawk

@Powerlord Heh. Personally, I keep my shenaniganing to tdm_hightower, myself (I frequent a server where they literally removed the carts from the tracks, so there can't be any captures)

Powerlord

@Unionhawk We have lots of shenanigans maps. Granted, we consider Medieval and Halloween maps to be shenanigans, too....

Wipqozn

@BenBrocka Tortoises should be able to experience love too!

Powerlord

6:50 PM

Heck, we have koth_harvest_event set up as melee only. :D

Unionhawk

Heh. We often do weird things like build dispensers over the cliff, but there's always that one guy >.>

Crap, that one guy is why the carts went poof in the first place

Powerlord

Speaking of halloween, I need to update my Force Holidays plugin to set tf_forced_holidays to 2 for Halloween or 6 for Full Moon since no one seems to know how to get the Halloween costumes to work otherwise.

Anyway, meeting time.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Frog Mutant

Since Lemon isn't a creature type.

Ronan Forman

Is there a plant type?

Unionhawk

Well this should be interesting... off to use power tools while undergoing medication adjustment!

Ronan Forman

6:54 PM

@Unionhawk was never heard from again

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria I was going for tokens that are actually used.

Ronan Forman

Weeks later, a smell seems to be coming from the basement

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria UNACCEPTABLE

Ronan Forman

> Investigate? Y/N

OrigamiRobot

Exits are: NORTH, SOUTH, DENNIS

LessPop_MoreFizz

6:56 PM

NO GOOGLE. STOP THIS. IT IS CREEPY. YOU ARE CREEPY. BAD GOOGLE.

SaintWacko

:Y
> You are eaten by a grue.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Currently reading: Watching Trees Grow, a short story from Peter F. Hamilton's short story collection Manhattan in Reverse

Retrosaur

Anyone know any good servers to find nubs?

Ronan Forman

►

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

A rather odd alternative history story where 19th century Britain is still a Roman colony

StrixVaria

6:59 PM

@OrigamiRobot I thought there was a Frog Mutant token.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria There is, but I'm not ever going to play it.

kalina

@LessPop_MoreFizz what's the problem with this?

Ronan Forman

7:15 PM

@OrigamiRobot Remember saying you wanted a HD texture pack with FTB? Well CPW (the guy who makes the mod bases for mods) has changed how textures work so HD textures won't cause more lag than regular ones.

OrigamiRobot

neat

Lazers

0

Q: What is the chance that a zombie will drop armour in minecraft?

What are the rations for the drops of armour in minecraft? I don't want the wiki's answer because I have tried and the ratio is usually incorrect. I would like to know from someone who has actually done a test on this.

minecraft

SaintWacko

@RonanForman Ooh, sweet

Ronan Forman

Yeah, you know how minecraft is badly written? Well that's why.

Retrosaur

I can't run mInecraft ftb for crap

Ronan Forman

7:22 PM

It was sending textures to the GPU every tick. Which is fine for vanilla minecraft. But adding all the textures from mods slows it down loads.

OrigamiRobot

...

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot ...................

OrigamiRobot

...................................................................

badp

@power just to make sure are we both talking about Paulo?

Oh. Paulo (and only Paulo) is constantly messing with gravity health head sizes map changes and the such.

He makes me both happy and sad that my mod powers kind of pale in comparison when it comes to mod abuse

StrixVaria

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Ben Brocka

7:42 PM

Is the pin in the mirror really necessary?

SaintWacko

7:52 PM

@BenBrocka That mirror is heavy

user43095

@RonanForman I'm confused. Is FPS lag a problem on this server or is my GPU being suckish?

Ben Brocka

It's minecraft. Everything causes lag

user43095

Fair enough.

badp

awewrewitjnweirnweoiunr

192.168.0.1 (my router) gives me connection refused

HOW DARES IT

...I'm scared to power cycle that thing.

Here goes :(

James

And @badp was never heard from again ...

badp

8:01 PM

exit stage left

Fluttershy

Man... This site makes me happy I have already beaten Bioshock Infinite.

StrixVaria

@Fluttershy I read one relatively vague spoiler before and now I want to play it much more than I did.

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria It's definitely a lot of fun figuring out how it gets to that point. =P

StrixVaria

I definitely see how having been spoiled increases enjoyment of things.

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria I wouldn't go that far. <_<

Powerlord

8:07 PM

@badp I was actually talking about janinge, who I thought was the head admin of RUGC Europe.

badp

I dunno who the head admin actually is

Powerlord

Then again, RUGC is weird. Head admin of RUGC Europe and head admin of RUGC (U.S) West both play on RUGC Midwest instead of their own servers.

badp

All I have is a list of moderators for /r/rugc_europe

StrixVaria

@Fluttershy Studies have shown this etc. etc.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Agreed.

badp

8:10 PM

@Fluttershy can't you see how knowing in advance about a plot twist creates an element of tension towards that moment?

StrixVaria

Spoilers are good.

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user43095

Anyone know if the FPS++ mod works?

Fluttershy

@badp I do. And I agree that it is beneficial in some cases. I'm just very, very particular about what I can and can't handle being spoiled on.

Mad Scientist

The Bioshock Infinite stuff is certainly something I tried to remain unspoiled, and for a good reason I think. But I'm also now replaying it with the knowledge of the ending, which is quite fun as well

Michel

►

badp

8:12 PM

@Fluttershy Okay.

Ben Brocka

@badp Depends how it's done. MSG4 did very well with it's opening scene spoiler because of how it handled it deliberately.

Fluttershy

@MadScientist This. Knowing the ending allows you to further enjoy certain other story parts in the game that were, frankly, just confusing as hell the first time through.

Mad Scientist

I don't care about any kind of minor spoiler anyway, if I read some reviews before buying I'll read about those anyway. But I think trying to hide the major spoilers is worth some effort and I like to experience the games without knowing those the first time

Yawus

My issue isn't whether spoilers themselves are good or not. My problem is people throwing spoilers at you whether you want them to or not.

As always, a distinction must be made with choice.

OrigamiRobot

@Yawus Yes, that is rude.

Yawus

8:16 PM

If someone doesn't want to be spoiled, then don't do it. It's as simple as that.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria That article always makes me think of Arda.

StrixVaria

@Yawus I'm not planning on spoiling anything for anyone else.

Mad Scientist

@Yawus I agree for major spoilers, but if you don't want to be spoiled at all, you have to avoid any gaming site until you finished the game. We try to avoid the major spoilers here, but as we found out earlier today we can't edit questions with spoilers fast enough to prevent everyone from seeing those spoilers

Yawus

@MadScientist I'll agree that if you don't want to be spoiled, you have no business going to any gaming site. Or if you do, you're asking for trouble if you read any article/part of the site that tags the game you don't want spoiled.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria I already know many major plot points for Game of Thrones and I am immensely looking forward to seeing them.

StrixVaria

8:20 PM

@OrigamiRobot Do you know the "Red Wedding"?

OrigamiRobot

Yes

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Yawus There's a perfectly functional tag ignore feature.

OrigamiRobot

I can't wait

StrixVaria

That's the only reason I care about the show at all.

Is so I can watch that.

Mad Scientist

@StrixVaria That is a rather major spoiler to casually mention

Yawus

8:21 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz There's also a perfectly functional spoiler tag.

StrixVaria

@MadScientist The name gives nothing away.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria I wanna see all Arya's stuff too.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria Referring to it by name is not reallya spoiler at all.

OH MY GOD THERE IS A WEDDING IN GAME OF THRONES

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@Yawus No there isn't.

OrigamiRobot

@MadScientist That name has already been spoiled anyway.

LessPop_MoreFizz

We killed the spoiler tag for a reason.

Unless you mean the markup.

Wipqozn

8:21 PM

@StrixVaria You mean the wedding when Ned wargs into Robb and eats Bran?

Yawus

@LessPop_MoreFizz Not that spoiler tag, I meant the markup.

My bad for not being clear.

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn Yes.

That's the one.

Ben Brocka

Spoilers:

►

2

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Yawus Overused spoiler markup is just as bad as no spoiler markup though - If you use it on everything, you make it harder to avoid the things you actually want to avoid. There's a balance to be struck.

Mad Scientist

The problem is that you always have people that don't know or don't care and post the spoilers without any markup. So you can't rely on remaining unspoiled anyway.

OrigamiRobot

8:23 PM

Apr 3 at 21:39, by LessPop_MoreFizz

Everything that happens to Daenerys Targaryen in Game of Thrones after the conclusion of the first book/season. (No, it doesn't have any spoilers.)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria Honestly, I care less about watching the wedding, and more about watching the GoT tag on twitter/tumblr/various forums on the night it airs.

OrigamiRobot

@LessPop_MoreFizz I might actually care about those things that night.

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yes.

Mad Scientist

@LessPop_MoreFizz My rule is that it should be clear from the question title or introduction on what is spoiled. Any spoiler significantly later than the question itself should be in markup, but if you read the question and the answer itself would be a spoiler, you shouldn't expect it to be in spoiler markup

Wipqozn

@LessPop_MoreFizz I plan to watch it with my father for shits and giggle.s

Blem

8:24 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz and it is George R R Martin so saying someone dies wont spoil anything either

SaintWacko

@Blem Nor would saying everyone dies

LessPop_MoreFizz

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah the worlds largest single Bitcoin holding is owned by the Winklevoss Brothers.

YES THOSE WINKLEVOSSES.

Grace Note

Winklevoss?

Fluttershy

@GraceNote The ones who tried to sue Mark Zuckerberg for stealing Facebook.

Or so The Social Network has taught me.

Grace Note

Ah

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Wipqozn

8:28 PM

@Fluttershy A movie based on the internet wouldn't lie.

Yawus

@Wipqozn Yeah, what do you think it is? The Inter... oh, wait.

Fluttershy

@Wipqozn When it's somewhat biographical, I'm more inclined to trust the information. <_<

Wipqozn

@Fluttershy ...you think the social network is biographical?

Fluttershy

@Wipqozn somewhat

ConnectU

ConnectU (originally [http://www.harvardconnection.co/ HarvardConnection]) was a social networking website launched on May 21, 2004, that was founded by Harvard students Cameron Winklevoss, Tyler Winklevoss, and Divya Narendra in December 2002. Users could add people as friends, send them messages, and update their personal profiles to notify friends about themselves. Users were placed in networks based upon the domain name associated with the email address they used for registration. The site has since relaunched and is an active online community at http://www.harvardconnection.co/ . ...

Lazers

0

Q: BioShock: Infinite Ending - Booker & Comstock (Spoilers)

I don't understand the final "baptism" scene:

bioshock-infinite

0

Q: How to get Dragons to Level 20 in Dragonvale?

How do you get your dragons to level 20 in Dragonvale? Do you have to be a certain level? I've heard of shrines (like plant shrines) upgrade your level capacity to 15, but 20? I've also heard it takes lots of food, but how?

dragonvale

Fluttershy

8:33 PM

@Lazers Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupe....s... I think that Bioshock one is basically the same as the one from an hour ago. o_o

Unionhawk

It's okay everyone, I'm alive. But locked out >.>

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy I haven't played the Dragonvale DLC for Bioshock yet.

user15026

@unionhawk like legit locked out of your house or other building?

user15026

I hope you have better weather than I do.

Unionhawk

@AshleyNunn Just locked out of the dorm room. And I'm not paying $10 for a spare key. I'll wait.

Ben Brocka

8:35 PM

@OrigamiRobot Have you charged your dragons in the new Nissan Leaf Dragon Charging Station yet?

user15026

@unionhawk I don't blame you. That's a lot.

user15026

@BenBrocka the terrible part is how that sounds almost plausible.

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka I don't get it.

Ullallulloo

@OrigamiRobot arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/04/…

OrigamiRobot

cc: @Fluttershy @StrixVaria

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

8:42 PM

1

BBQ, Smoking, and Grilling

Proposed Q&A site for backyard and competition cooks.

Currently in definition.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot @Wiphandsome

I watch Adventure time too!

OrigamiRobot

Yawus

What questions would you ask on BBQ, Smoking, and Grilling that couldn't fit on Cooking.SE?

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Ghost Princess?

user15026

@NOPE whoever created this thing is totally my hero.

OrigamiRobot

8:44 PM

Yus

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Wipqozn Ummm... what about the social network isn't biographical?

It may not be accurate, but it is 100% a biopic about mark zuckerberg

It could not be more biographical without including a first act about his birth and childhood.

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz i'd like to point out the inaccuracies are why I said "somewhat."

user15026

@origamirobot those cards are lovely. They also remind me I need to watch more AT..

LessPop_MoreFizz

Biography != autobiography, and not all biographies are perfectly accurate.

OrigamiRobot

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:45 PM

that doesn't make them not biographies

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Make a vampire one with that vampire girl.

user15026

Hell, not all autobiographies are accurate.

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria Marceline! =D

OrigamiRobot

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Wipqozn

@LessPop_MoreFizz It's a dramatization, not a biography.

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:46 PM

@Wipqozn Why, because a few names were changed at the requests of the specific individuals involved?

Wipqozn

@LessPop_MoreFizz Because it's a dramatization, not a biography.

user15026

Dramatization of a biography, no?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn Exactly.

Powerlord

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment Seasoned Advice would like you to close this.

Wipqozn

I'm very rigid with what I'm willing to call a biography.

OrigamiRobot

8:48 PM

@Wipqozn That's because you're a turtle.

user15026

@wipqozn what are your criteria?

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot That's probably true.

@AshleyNunn I don't have a specific list of criteria but. oh wait.

Let me be clear.

user15026

(the librarian in me is curiousl

Wipqozn

I consider a biography to be something which is displaying a persons life and events in that life, and discussing them.

kalina

HOW DOES HE DO IT?

Wipqozn

8:50 PM

Not just making a movie based on someones life.

kalina

I go afk for a few minutes and he appears out of nowhere and clears the suggested edit queue

Wipqozn

It could be the most accurate movie in the world, but I still wouldn't consider it a biography.

user15026

Most biographies (books) wouldn't fit that, then.

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Raven is magic.

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn Really? THen perhaps my definition is wrong.

badp

8:51 PM

wargarbl

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn I see what you're going for here.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot pfff

Wipqozn

Also:

OrigamiRobot

@kalina He is. After he stayed at my apartment, all my straw was spun into gold.

Wipqozn

The Social Network

The Social Network is a 2010 American drama film directed by David Fincher and written by Aaron Sorkin. Adapted from Ben Mezrich's 2009 book The Accidental Billionaires, the film portrays the founding of social networking website Facebook and the resulting lawsuits. It stars Jesse Eisenberg as founder Mark Zuckerberg, along with Andrew Garfield as Eduardo Saverin and Justin Timberlake as Sean Parker, the other principals involved in the website's creation. Neither Zuckerberg nor any other Facebook staff were involved with the project, although Saverin was a consultant for Mezrich's book....

Wikipedia doesn't mention biograpghy in the first sentence.

I'm pretty sure wikipedia wouldn't not do that.

So clearly I'm right.

/appeal to wikipedia

Unionhawk

8:54 PM

@Wipqozn [[Category:American biographical films]]

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk I said the first sentence.

kalina

social network wasn't accurate enough to be a "biography" really

too much dramatisation

OrigamiRobot

@kalina There you go with your crasy zpelling again.

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Powerlord

@OrigamiRobot Raven is Rumplestiltskin?

except spelled correctly?!

Mad Scientist

@Powerlord Rumpelstilzchen, at least in the original german

OrigamiRobot

8:57 PM

This should not be reopened

Powerlord

@OrigamiRobot This should be baconed.

OrigamiRobot

Everything should be baconed.

That goes without saying.

Powerlord

I'm tempted to stop and pick up a submarine sandvich from Subway on my way home... what kind should I get?

Chicken Bacon Ranch?

Wipqozn

@Wipqozn I think we have better points in answers here than on GameDev, which mentions nothing about FOV, lower textures/poly count, etc. — Sadly Not 24 mins ago

Powerlord

Bacon Bacon Bacon?

Wipqozn

8:58 PM

Us having a better answer doesn't suddenly make it on-topic.

By that logic we should allow questions about cooking if we provide betters answer than Cooking.SE

Powerlord

The question should be reopened because we have better hats than GameDev.

Sconibulus

was that the one that had the answer claiming Microsoft was pushing time travel with their Xboxes?

Fluttershy

@Sconibulus Yes.