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12:00 AM

Well there have been many studies on how men cannot multitask I'd find you a few but I'm busy chatting in the bridge

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Q: How to buy a graphics card?

I want to buy a graphics card, currently looking for Nvidia 9500GT 1GB as it is cheap (for me) with big memory (1GB). As there are variety of cards available i dont know which one is better and how that one is better. Should i look for its memory size? (1 GB, 512 MB etc) Should i check for its...

Why is that getting delete votes?

Also, I've put in an hour and a half already.

So, now it's time for KSP.

It should be re-opened.

Furthermore, why was it closed as too localized?

its too localized in time

@Brian No, it's not.

He's asking how to buy a graphics card. It could be touched up, since it's a little cluttered, but that's essentially what he's asking.

He's not asking for a specific recommendation.

12:02 AM

you would have to do an edit to remove specifics

graphics cards are using ddr5? 6? now

@Wipqozn Fixed

@Brian That doesn't matter.

> Q: I was wondering if we can max all skills in the game or we have to choose wisely because they might have a limit?

> A: Only if you don't capture all the outposts. If you do, enemies won't respawn.

1 "not an answer" flag, 2 dispute it

I... don't get it.

The question isn't "What graphics card should I buy?" but "What do I look for in a graphics card, and how do I know if it meets my requirements?"

The specifics are just clutter. They don't make the question off-topic, or too localized.

@Wipqozn It's a moot point; there are no more specifics.

LessPop_MoreFizz

12:04 AM

@Brian Obsolete Answers != Too localized question.

@badp The flag or the dispute?

The dispute really

LessPop_MoreFizz

Things change. That doesn't make any question which could ever have it's answer change too localized.

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

@badp That has nothing to do with the question.

12:05 AM

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@Wipqozn There are things worth arguing.

A moot point is not.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Obsolete pieces of a question do?

@badp Well it does answer the question. Kinda... in a very roundabout way...and badly

falling down the stairs while carrying a vacuum cleaner fucking hurts.

@pixel Falling down stairs, period, hurts.

12:07 AM

mmh

vacuum landed on top of me though

I am losing blood

"What should I look for in buying a video game?"

but in a slightly less melodramatic way, its just multiple grazes

@CruelCow I think James is right and derpderp only wanted to reply to him

appeal to different mods if you feel differently about it

And another thing, If i disagree with how the accepted answer chooses a graphics card should I down vote it?

@badp: I wasn't the flagee or disputee. I don't have strong feelings either way.

That said I will use it when uhh if I ever start a campaign against you

12:11 AM

@CruelCow I know, I was just asking for help and until you mentioned that yeah, it kinda does answer the question, there just was this vast disconnect between the question and the answer in my mind

I'm so glad I missed a tag chat

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So

the new tomb raider game

I can't believe...

waits for @badp

I put that in place for @FAE and @AshleyNunn, not for myself

youtu.be/LZhdvl_P1Zc Trolling at its best

12:18 AM

(and the unnamed others who didn't complain about it but still didn't want any of it)

I was only trying to get a reaction, I'd rather not talk about it as well

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@pixel how about you don't, please?

@AshleyNunn those three lines were all I was going to say on the subject

@fbueckert Wtf, I'm still having trouble getting into orbit...

@GnomeSlice And that is why that is challenge #1 for you again.

12:22 AM

@fbueckert I thought you said it was EASIER now...

@GnomeSlice I achieved Kerbin escape velocity without trying.

It IS easier.

@fbueckert Well, then what the hell.

I don't think some companies realize asking me to buy the paid version of their product everytime I open the app is going to change my mind on using the free version, and its more likely to get me not to use either version

Why does my orbital stage never have enough power to get into a stable orbit

What the fuck, man.

Yeah, it is easy. I've even achieved an escape trajectory from the sun (albeit accidentally due to a gravity slingshot)

12:24 AM

Then I can't play this game I guess.

@GnomeSlice this sounds like quitting talk

@GnomeSlice Half stages are your friend. Also, gravity turns at the correct time

@MBraedley Half stages?

@GnomeSlice We don't quit games until they're beat here at ArQAde

Gravity turns? I can't even get it into a circular orbit around Kerbin again. I might have made it with that last ship, but it was going so slow I was past the peak and still hadn't gotten a circular orbit.

And I would have had little fuel left.

12:25 AM

@GnomeSlice You should use strap on liquid boosters that feed into the main stage, as well as feed their own engine

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@MBraedley I used to do that on my older rockets, but it burned too much fuel.

@GnomeSlice What do I keep telling you?

@fbueckert This is not a big rocket.

Look at how thin it is.

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Q: Where are all of the relics for the Archeology 101 achievement?

The achievement states to find a total of 60 relics... Where are these relics located ? Can someone provide a map of their location perhaps ?

0

Q: Where are all of the "Letters of the Lost" for the Dead Letters achievement ?

How many letters are there total that I need to collect ? Where are they located ?

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Q: Where are all of the memory cards located for the Memory to Spare achievement ?

How many memory cards are there ? Where are they located ?

It gets out of the atmosphere no problem, and then it just refuses to expand its orbit fast enough.

12:26 AM

at least when I raise questions, they're more than one liners

@GnomeSlice So your gravity turn is what you use to build horizontal velocity. Without enough of it at around 50km, you don't have enough delta-V to achieve stable orbit at 100km

@MBraedley I do that every time I take off, at about that height too.

@GnomeSlice You should be starting it at about 10km

by 50km, it's already too late

@MBraedley I usually begin to bank to the east at around 20 km

This must be my problem, my takeoffs.

Post your .craft file somewhere and I'll give it a whirl

12:30 AM

@MBraedley The rocket COULD probably be better.

Also, are you going full throttle? Sometimes it's better to let off and save some fuel for later

@MBraedley I'm aware. I'm constantly adjusting throttle to try to get the best efficiency.

@MBraedley ge.tt/4VCDE0T/v/0?c

@GnomeSlice No arguments from me. I'm more than a little concerned at the use of solid rocket boosters on the second stage.

@MBraedley Yeah. I just figured they'd give it a shove into orbit.

Also, you might have to turn off the SAS for a bit after you ditch the first set of solids, or it might shake itself apart.

This is going to be fun...

12:35 AM

Yeah, maybe it is too heavy.

Takes the first solids and the massive liquids to get up to 10km

Fuck

I wanted it to be small.

Argh, I don't know what angle to use during liftoff

Aaand I fucked it up again, not enough height that time.

Fuck, might make it into orbit, but will have no fuel

There IS a crapload of fuel in the second to last stage, I guess.

@TrentHawkins should post his monstrosity of a rocket that pushed a space station into orbit in a single piece.

@fbueckert No, that will make me sad.

This is such a cool game and I can't really do anything with it. =[

It's really annoying.

@fbueckert @MBraedley We should make an Arqade dropbox or something for sharing rockets.

@GnomeSlice Perseverence.

@fbueckert It's not working man.

Seriously.

@GnomeSlice I think I'm out of words.... none of the random words I'm making works for me

12:44 AM

I made it to the Mun, and that was about it.

@Krazer Use real ones I guess.

@GnomeSlice I'm almost in orbit. That ship is worse than the shuttle!

oh crap, I hate scenes like this

why am I even watching this movie

@MBraedley The what? Fuck, I was really trying to make a light, powerful rocket...

@MBraedley I made it into a substantial orbit this time.

@GnomeSlice it's your turn btw

But by the time I'm into my lander stage I probably won't be at the Mun yet.

@Krazer I'll get it a bit later, if that's okay.

12:46 AM

ok

@GnomeSlice Oh, I have plenty of fuel left, but it was harder than it should have been. You can afford to add a lot of fuel to the first stage.

@MBraedley Yeah?

@MBraedley Why is the second to last stage so slow to change the orbit?

I mean, it's only one engine, but still...

What? Why was that graphics card question reopened?

@GnomeSlice I was at half throttle for most of the ascent, then unexpectedly ran out of fuel. You should be using the bigger engine and cross feeding the liquid boosters to it. The thrust to weight ratio just isn't there for the second stage

@fbueckert Well, I bet that challenge I guess.

12:50 AM

@GnomeSlice Not in this version you haven't.

@MBraedley I had two of the massive tanks on each large engine.

@fbueckert Yes, you said my new challenge was to get into orbit

@GnomeSlice And...?

@fbueckert And I did it...

A while ago.

I'm looking at you @fbueckert and @Wipqozn

I've been in orbit for like 7 minutes

12:51 AM

@GnomeSlice Okay, then.

Challenge #2: Push a space station core into orbit.

@fbueckert I'll probably be able to make it to the Mun as well.

But I don't think I'll make it back.

@fbueckert No, I want to get to the Mun and back, still haven't done it.

Requirements for a core: Kerbal habitation module, and at least one docking port.

@GnomeSlice New version, new challenges.

@fbueckert If I can't build decent rockets, I'm not going to be able to do any of your other shit, but okay.

@GnomeSlice It's still not enough. Add another tank each.

@MBraedley Should I use those giant orange ones?

Each of those is two of the large ones.

fuck I'm orbiting in the wrong direction, same direction as the Mun

Oh crap. I'm about to crash into the Mun.

Well, goodbye Kerbs

wait, wait

12:56 AM

@GnomeSlice Yeah, that might do it.

Ah, woops... was reading the map upside down... thought I was avoiding the mun and getting into an orbit, but I've been slowing myself down.

This engine is weak

@MBraedley How far did you go in my rocket?

At the suggestion of @fbueckert - Station part one (side note - the ion engines in the last stage are accidentally backwards.... they pull the station rather than push it. :/ )

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I can achieve Kerbin escape, with a little help from the Mun

@TrentHawkins What the fuck, man.

How come all of my rockets suck dick, and they're nowhere near that size.

@fbueckert Blasphemy!

@OrigamiRobot BEtter question: Why was it closed?

1:00 AM

Station part 2- that I intend to connect to the bottom of part one... eventually.

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@Wipqozn Not Constructive is what I voted for.

Although if I set it up properly, I would have had a much better escape trajectory set up for Duna of Eve

And I'd do it again if I could.

I'm gonna land on the moon.

@OrigamiRobot Why? (that's a lot better than Too Localized, which shows someone didn't even bother reading the question)

1:02 AM

Fuck. No, I'm going to crash

Wow, I let it get too low before I started my engine.

FUCK. Well, that sucked.

@TrentHawkins How come when I build stuff like this it doesn't work.

@Wipqozn Really? Comparing graphics cards seems constructive?

@TrentHawkins Also, overlapping solar panels doesn't seem like it would be very efficient.

@GnomeSlice To be fair - even @fbueckert is amazed I get half my shit into orbit

@TrentHawkins I can barely make it to the Mun on a good day.

@TrentHawkins It shouldn't WORK like that!

1:04 AM

@fbueckert Why not? It's just a really big rocket.

@GnomeSlice Oh, they're not - they just look cool. Form over function.

@GnomeSlice That defies everything about how rockets SHOULD be built.

@fbueckert Why? Rockets can't be huge?

His opinion is just, "Eh. Bigger. Better."

As long as it's strong enough to withstand the strain, I don't see why it shouldn't work.

1:06 AM

Like that guy who wants to build a working Constitution class spaceship out of current technology. Practical? Hell no, but in theory - it could work.

And be awesome

@OrigamiRobot He's not comparing graphics cards. He wants to know what to look for in a graphics card, and how to know if a graphics card meets his requirements . You misunderstood the question. Understandable, because he cluttered it up with a bunch of specifics.

@Wipqozn No, it is about how to compare graphics cards. It doesnt matter if it's two or all of them. It's a discussion question.

@TrentHawkins How could that possibly work. How would it take off.

@GnomeSlice built in space

@OrigamiRobot Asking how to compare something is not in any shape or form the same as asking us to compare things for him.

1:08 AM

@TrentHawkins Ah, okay.

@TrentHawkins Can you place struts and parts and things in orbit?

@Wipqozn I never said he was asking people to compare things for him. Asking how to compare graphics cards is still NC.

@GnomeSlice Oh, you're talking about KSP. I couldn't figure out why you of all people would just accept that

@GnomeSlice Don't think so...

@SaintWacko Heh. Yes.

@TrentHawkins Hm. How do you build stuff then.

@GnomeSlice Launch it on a precise trajectory so that it ends up where you want it to be

1:10 AM

@GnomeSlice news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/…

@SaintWacko What? No, if you can't place parts and move things around, how do you build stuff.

@TrentHawkins Oh a REAL ONE

I thought you were talking about KSP!

Also, should I get Wingstop or Jimmy Johns for supper?

@TrentHawkins What? We don't have the technology for that

I doubt we will in 20 years

@OrigamiRobot How? Graphics cards aren't magic. They are made up of different components which impact it's performance. Asking how you can use these specifications to compare them is 100% constructive.

@SaintWacko Not for warp drive, no.

@SaintWacko buildtheenterprise.org

@GnomeSlice Or force fields, or the insystem drive

1:12 AM

insystem drive?

@GnomeSlice Nope... although... with enough docking ports in the right locations... might actually be possible.

I don't think he means that it needs to have a dilithium reactor, and phasers, and all that shit.

@GnomeSlice The name's slipped my mind

@GnomeSlice And teleporter, and that shape is all wrong for current tech

@GnomeSlice I'm in an 80km orbit around the Mun. Thinking about landing

@MBraedley Fire the de-orbit burn!

1:13 AM

@MBraedley I was about to land. I sped it up and it stopped with me about to crash into it. I managed to slow down and get into landing position, and then I sped it up again to get closer to the ground... waited too long to burn, crashed.

@Wipqozn Yes that's why it's current answers are "Use this website." Nobody is explaining anything. They are deferring it to somewhere else.

@MBraedley Good, I'm glad it gets to the Mun.

That's much better than my first rockets when I started were...

@OrigamiRobot So? They're offering a tool the user can use to make this comparison. Furthermore, we don't close questions because the answers are crap. (which, for the record, I don't think they are. Offering a tool to do something is a useful solution to aproblem)

No opinions on Wingstop or Jimmy Johns?

@Wipqozn No but attracting bad answers is a sign of a problem question.

1:16 AM

@OrigamiRobot which, for the record, I don't think they are. Offering a tool to do something is a useful solution to aproblem)

@OrigamiRobot And like you said, it's a sign.

We don't close a question because it's getting crap answers. We examine it further, and then close or edit it if we feel it's required. We don't just close it based solely on the fact it's getting crap answers.

Did I say we should?

@SaintWacko I don't know what either of those are.

@OrigamiRobot No, I was just refuting your implication based on context that the fact it's getting answers you consider to be poor is a criteria for closing it.

@Wipqozn I never claimed it to be criteria for closing it.

@GnomeSlice Wings or sandwiches?

1:19 AM

Maybe you didn't mean to imply that, but that's what it sounds like.

@SaintWacko Sandwiches, definitely.

@OrigamiRobot So it's irrelevant.

@fbueckert @MBraedley Are fuel lines not in the new version?

@GnomeSlice First item in Propulsion.

Oh. It's in propulsion.

1:20 AM

@GnomeSlice Sandwiches it is

Back in a bit

BEsides, like I said, I don't think that the answers are terrible. Providing a tool is a valid and useful solution to a problem.

@GnomeSlice Yes, under propulsion I believe. Also, you have no parachute! Or docking clamp! How am I supposed to get home?

@MBraedley I seriously doubt it has enough fuel to get home.

I haven't even looked at docking clamps.

Oh, my volume is off. That's why I'm not hearing @OrigamiRobot pings.

I thought perhaps he was using robot magic.

@Wipqozn I was saying the answers are saying "Go here and look" because there is not a good way to compare graphics cards to tell which one is better. There are a million charts on tomshardware They don't all mean the same thing. What do you consider better overall? More FPS? Better AA? Any of the other ways one can be better than another?

1:22 AM

@GnomeSlice Yes it does. I had to jettison fuel. Well didn't have to. Shouldn't have, actually.

@MBraedley Oh, your large fuel tank?

You made it to the Mun with some of that left?

Mind you, I did a straight vertical decent from 80km, so these last few will be touch and go

Should have put docking clamps on it I guess.

Oh yeah, lots of fuel left in that second stage

@MBraedley Yeah, the single engine on the capsule is really weak, you have to burn for a long time to slow down.

@MBraedley Wow, I must be terrible at piloting then.

Mine got me to the Mun, and I used the last of it trying to slow down because I was going to crash into it.

1:24 AM

@OrigamiRobot It depends on what you're looking for, and the game you're playing. Which is why a detailed answer which explain how each of the components of the graphics card impact performance. (i.e. more RAM results in higher FPS)

IT wouldn't state "FPS is best PS"

@GnomeSlice No, I'm good. We'll see about getting back to Kerbin

@Wipqozn "It depends on what you're looking for" That's what I call NC.

@MBraedley I was talking about MY second last stage.

I used the last of it avoiding hitting the Mun, I didn't have any left like you did.

I should put a docking clamp on it, maybe.

I don't know how they work.

@MBraedley When I want two parts to connect with clamps, do I need two clamps? One on each piece?

@OrigamiRobot noxxic.com/gw2/thief/damage/pve/core-build-and-traits

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Q: Gunzerking achievement

I been dying to unlock the Gunzerking for 90 second achievement and was wondering if i got the rampage skill tree maxed for the prolong gunzerking and the yipee ka yay skill, how much enemies do i need to kill to get the 90 secs of gunzerking?

1:26 AM

@GnomeSlice I haven't changed a thing on the ship you uploaded. And yes

@OrigamiRobot Indeed, which is why explaining how each of the different components work allows the asker to come to that conclusion himself. (i.e. More RAM gives me higher FPS? Well, with that information I know that I don't need a lot of RAM since I mostly played point and click adventure game).

@MBraedley I know, I was talking about my FLIGHT.

@GnomeSlice ahh

I'm obviously not as efficient a pilot as you, how much throttle do you use when you're adjusting your orbit?

quick, what's the key for screenshot

1:27 AM

@Wipqozn Except you can't look at one stat on there and say this one is better at X.

@MBraedley printscreen

@GnomeSlice Sometimes full. It depends

or f12 in steam

Changed my mind

getting Indian food

I can't play GW2 and argue with you at the same time. GW2 wins.

1:28 AM

@GnomeSlice Nope, not working

2 mins ago, by Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Indeed, which is why explaining how each of the different components work allows the asker to come to that conclusion himself. (i.e. More RAM gives me higher FPS? Well, with that information I know that I don't need a lot of RAM since I mostly played point and click adventure game).

@MBraedley Uh... that's what I use...

@OrigamiRobot Victory.

@GnomeSlice F1 is the default

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1:29 AM

@MBraedley Oh

I'm going to try to figure out how to use docking clamps

@Wipqozn "More RAM gives me higher FPS" Except you can't look at one stat on there and say this ~~one~~ card is better at X.

Ugh, I may have to switch to the arqade server

Crystal Desert, right?

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@GnomeSlice Huzzah!

@MBraedley Nice! I really need to get that game

@OrigamiRobot My narrow example to illustrate my point isn't meant to be taken as fact.

1:30 AM

@MBraedley Oh, you just landed? I thought you had taken off again already.

I'm not going to bother typing out a full-fledged answer.

I got to the Mun a LOT faster than you did, then.

I crashed into it like half an hour ago.

@Wipqozn Your example is flawed because it can't be applied.

@OrigamiRobot Your reasoning is flawed because you're a robot.

@GnomeSlice I've been going back and forth between this and that

1:31 AM

@Wipqozn YOU MADE ME THIS WAY

oh shit, laundry

Invader Skoodge

@Wipqozn Robots have perfect logic.

@MBraedley Take a moonwalk!

@GnomeSlice Well, yeah, you can get there way faster if you don't bother slowing down :P

It has ladders and everything.

1:31 AM

Now stop pinging me

@OrigamiRobot okay.

@InvaderSkoodge Is this stupid?

@SaintWacko I should have landed correctly, I managed to slow myself down enough to get into landing position, I was even going UP momentarily. But I was too high and going too fast when it slowed down again.

I'm going to go play Final Fantasy TActics ADvance 2.

Invader Skoodge

@OrigamiRobot The question is not stupid.

1:32 AM

How the crap do the docking clamps work.,

Fired.

I'll respond handsomely in my tortoise fashion when I return.

If I want to be able to detach the capsule and re-attach it later, what do I need.

Also, frig, why can the clamp go on the end of the thing, and also slightly inside it?

Does it matter?

Has Mun always been tidally locked?

@MBraedley I don't even know what that means.

Geosynchronous?

Oh, same side facing Kerbin, right?

1:36 AM

@GnomeSlice One side always faces the larger body

@MBraedley YESSS GOT IT

@MBraedley I don't remember actually.

Probably.

@MBraedley I believe so

Well I chose a crappy spot to land then...

Whoa, what the fuck, why did this clamp come out the side.

Screw this, I don't know how this shit works.

This is going to be impossible to use

Oh what, why is my engine that the docking clamp is attached to firing

iluvierrrf;rf

Invader Skoodge

Why does Guild Wars 2 have a big update but no patch notes?

Oh they post patch notes in the forum.

That's dumb.

1:44 AM

Wow, docking clamps really fuck up the automatic ordering of your staging

@MBraedley Have you taken off yet?

@GnomeSlice Oh yeah, I'm just trying to get back in Kerbin orbit ATM so I can rescue my Kerbins

@MBraedley How much fuel do you still have!?

@GnomeSlice Less than a quarter. More than enough

I'm trying to build a new version of that ship that has a docking clamp between the capsule and the main body, so you can land, and return to the fuel you left behind.

But it got really fucked up

@GnomeSlice Docking is reallly tricky - ensure you have rcs thrusters and enough mono-propellant.

1:51 AM

@TrentHawkins First I need to figure out how to build the damn thing.

I had to manually extend 3 of 6 pillars, and now I have to place everything one at a time because the symmetry mode no longer works correctly.

Nice, and now for some reason, it won't let me stack engines under the ones I just carefully placed.

Fuck this game, why is it so hard

Nearly circular orbit just high of 100km, about 10-20 seconds of fuel left

Now to rescue them!

@MBraedley You're not gonna make it.

EVA them and use their jetpacks!

The plan was never to de-orbit the capsule. You left me no choice on that regard.

@MBraedley What? Oh, yeah, no parachutes.

How are you going to save them?

Gonna fly something else up and grab them?

@GnomeSlice Rendevous with something else. Need to build it first

1:55 AM

Wow, you guys are so much better at this than me.

Rendevous are actually easier now than the were with MechJeb before. Having the target ball helps a whole hell of a lot

Wow, this docking thing really fucked up the stage placement.

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