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@Wipqozn when I saw "ORM Entertainment" I cringed

@badp go on

Q: Does setting a connection speed in Steam limit bandwidth usage?

@Wipqozn "Today we're going to have fun! With UML!"

Lazers

10:25 PM

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I always assumed that the speed setting is only informational and is used for download time estimates. I have never seen anything that would suggest otherwise - until I read this answer. I still don't believe that it is used as a cap; however I also think the remaining time estimate is computed f...

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Q: How is Fi's name pronounced?

I just met Fi in The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. How is her name pronounced? Fee (like easy)? Feye (like ice)? Fii (like igloo)? Or Matt (like at)?

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Q: How many steps are there actually on the path to High Hrothgar

The title says it all. It is mentioned several times that there are 7000 steps on the path to High Hrothgar. Are there actually 7000 steps or are the NPCs exaggerating?

skyrim

@GraceNote, hope I'm not upsetting you or causing any friction. I almost feel like I'm studying something with a sensei or guru when I'm talking to you there, and I hope it shows...

The hilarity of this whole tag debacle is that Stack Overflow still has [homework].

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@GraceNote that is sad :)

@agent86 You have a lot to learn if you think that a meta discussion will make me upset. ♪

@GraceNote I figure it won't; I'm being humble to stay on the safe side :)

I'm new; I was taught to respect my elders.

10:34 PM

I'm happy to help explain things - that's why I wanted to focus not on things that even I am still undecided on, but rather on the important crux of tagging - what I'd say represent the best practices.

Q: kotor2 with wine, unable to open /dev/sg0

@GraceNote You can always take a look at Math.SE, they love their meta tags

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Okay, I installed StarWars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords (which worked fine) but when I tried to run the game, it crashed and this error came up in the the terminal: 'Failed to open device: /dev/sg0' Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks! Note: this is the only wine game (t...

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@Fabian I've tried. I'm happy enough I got them to un-CW a question that I felt was wrongly converted.

Well, entering Math.SE as an SE employee is probably the opposite of fun

@GraceNote Thank you. I appreciate that and the time you've taken. I hope that this has the desired outcome of education and illumination of an... interesting growing pain the site is experiencing.

10:36 PM

@Fabian There was a reason I never had an account at Math prior to employment, after all.

We're really holding onto that Skyrim traffic

The part about sub tags as being either scoped only to specific games versus being broader, it is something that sits ill with me in both directions. On the one hand, I think that a scenario that encourages something that's like having [c#-strings] and [c++-strings] utterly disgusts me. On the other hand, the vast majority of meaningful subdivisions will actually be unique to the game

Oh, hey, Stack Overflow has an API tag.

@GraceNote I just wonder if there isn't a better solution than tags. I'm a lateral thinker that way though. I don't have anything meaningful to contribute solution-wise, but these kinds of problems just stick in my brain until I've worked them out, so someday perhaps I shall

@agent86 If we had something other than tags, we could allow people to filter games by platform/genre

Not surprisingly, no one is really an expert at API.

really though, I always dig myself in too deep. I should just stick to beating the ever loving crap out of people with dong bats instead.

10:39 PM

@GraceNote I think we have to dissasociate ourselves a bit from the usual idea of what a tag should be. We just don't fit the standard SE model. Our subtags will be meaningless anyway without their game tag, so the fact that by themselves they might be bad or useless tags is not really bad, as long as they make sense in combination with a game tag.

okay, I've got to eat now, I'll be back to stir up more later.

you've been WARNED.

Er, can someone else take a look at the Suggested Edit that's currently pending and the reason the user stated?

@Fabian I think that's a different problem, and one that I likewise don't think is a problem

Mine was more about the fact that in a general sense, what actually is a meaningful subdivision to a game's question base... tends to be unique to that game.

@GraceNote ...*grumbles something about pots and kettles*

@GraceNote Yes, I fully agree with that one

10:41 PM

Minecraft has mobs, it has crafting, it has equipment and enchanting. None of this really is truly important to gamers to distinguish all that often - it's all just a certain part of the game.

We're pretty much changing the topic of the site every time a big game comes out, there's no tagging concept that is valid for all games.

Jeff is already grudgingly annoyed with [homework]. I think looking at Stack Overflow's [api] is far more fruitful. Just to point out sub tags.

@GraceNote I really dislike tags like [homework]

Oh, I won't get started on how bad [homework] is.

Mostly because today is Thanksgiving, so I really shouldn't be here, but I saw the Meta question and I had to reply.

I miss celebrating thanksgiving :(

10:53 PM

@Fabian Why is this? I don't visit Math.SE often, so not aware of any problems.

Back when I was in prison we celebrated shanksgiving.

@Wipqozn Because Math Is Special.

@RonanForman I always knew you were a criminal.

@Wipqozn They have tags like soft-question and big-list

@Fabian What do those tags even mean?

10:54 PM

@GraceNote You can ask questions that are language agnostic about strings: string manipulation algorithms. Can you ask questions that are game agnostic about enchantments?

I just answered on Math.meta, let's see if I get downvoted to oblivion

@Fabian link?

A: Why should the user profile only show "positive reputation changes"?

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I'm not sure about the reasons for this change, I'm not seeing any big advantage either way. I don't see any reason to hide this information, but I also don't see why I should look for this information in the first case. The StackExchange model is very post-centric, not user-centric like some of...

The math site tends to react very negatively to any SE employees.

When does a regular-list become a big-list?

@Fabian I was unaware of this.

10:57 PM

@RonanForman I don't think they have a regular-list tag

If it gets big enough is it a huge-list maybe a large-list?

@Fabian I think all your points are very solid, for what it's worth. I'm uh, not a mathematician though.

Jeff deleted some comments a while on Math.meta, that caused a real shitstorm there

@RonanForman Then xboxhueg-list for bigger than huge-list?

@FallenAngelEyes Me neither

10:58 PM

If a soft-question is too soft is it a liquid-question

@RonanForman I prefer non-newtonian-fluid-questions, m'self

@FallenAngelEyes Remember the 25-char limit

@Fallen If you downvote it it gets more objective?

@Fabian Guess I'd have to call them oobleck-questions instead

@Fabian Ah I see. Yeah, I can see why people would have become upset about that.

11:02 PM

@Fallen @Wipqozn Are you both still good for Saturday?

oh, was Math the site where a user was sent an e-mail by Jeff telling him he is a problem to the community?

I have to say, the math meta is pretty active, compared to most SE 2.0 sites

homework is really important for stack overflow! :)

@RonanForman Yep

@RonanForman oh shit, I forgot about that :/

11:02 PM

@David What other questions are there?

@Fabian "sites most of which prefer the site remain in a relatively small scale"

"Oh noes, what if some pesky user finds our site and (oh the horror!) posts something!"

I believe my group and I are meeting up to work on our project saturday

it lets the answers know that a complete answer has less value than a pointer to the missing clue

Do you think we could just push this back until around december 7th? MY classes are finished then, it would be much easier for me.

I mean we've waited so long already

you guys are welcome to play without me though, I don't mind

@Wipqozn There was this other incident, with a high-rep user posting multiple comments because he wanted to insert linebreaks with enter. He did that consistently and Jeff mailed him about that.

11:03 PM

@Wipqozn At the sane time?

@Fabian yeah, that's what I'm thinking about.

@Fabian Ooooh I remember that

That was on MAth, correct?

@RonanForman Honestly, once my classes are done, I'm pretty much free anytime.

I'm not a mathematician, but at least the Math.SE meta is somewhat entertaining

@Fabian That was terrible.

11:05 PM

I do have exams, but I can definitely make time easily enough.

Actually my first exam is on the 10th, a saturday, so that won't work

The sunday would work though, the 11th

The site made me be a bit wary of the academic sites, let's see how Biology turns out

my last exam is on the 14th, so we could just wait another week and I'll be completely done

@badp I agree 100%

Also, why are we not allowed to have line breaks in comments? IT makes long comments a real pain in the ass to read.

IF you don't want comments to be that long, then you should reduce the character limit. You don't blame it on the user when your site has a flaw in it's design.

@Wipqozn If you limit comments to 300 characters, you'll just put two 300 character comments instead of one.

Just like right now we post 1,200 character long comments in two separate 600 character comments.

there are two experts on api, and here they are: stackoverflow.com/badges/756/api

@Wipqozn I'm okay with any weekend time, you'll have to ask the others.

11:09 PM

So no, reducing comment length doesn't help you get shorter comments - nerfing their presentation does. And it starts with formatting.

I think making comments slightly painful to use is a conscious design decision here.

</silly>

If we're waiting this long I could re-edit the videos to have the new splash screen and stuff.

comments would be better if they commented on the thing they are attached too. I've seen so many comments about the question on my answer, and comments about the comments about the comments too.

@badp I see your point, but this is still a situation of placing blame on the user. It's obvious that users are using comments outside the scope of what the site originally intended. You don't then make it a pain in the ass and say "you're using comments wrong", you look into redesigning your site to either embrace that change, or to encourage users to use meta or chat for such things. SImply pissing off your users isn't the correct solution.

@Wipqozn Pissing off? I'm not pissed off at all when I can skim over five screenful of comment discussions

11:12 PM

yes, chat should be easier to get into. I've used stackoverflow since the beginning and only in the last month got into chat

Comments are minor. Allowing linebreaks would break this fact.

@badp I'm not saying we are pissed off, but that's what they are trying to do. What else would you be trying to do if you try to make something a pain for your users?

What is your solution? Removing comments altogether?

If you have a solution post it on meta.stackoverflow.com

@badp Replace the entire site with a picture of an 8bit heart. Make it occasionally flash and wvetone will be happy!

@Wipqozn Limit users to three comments per post. Except that'd be easy to cheat through deletion.

Here, have a solution that is even half-implemented through invites to bring discussion to chat

Go ahead, make your day

11:15 PM

nifty. How about "propose edits" instead of comment. that way the answerer only can address the concern instead of the public at large.

@DavidB For low rep users, "edit" is replaced by "improve this answer"

and there's no "add comment" button

@badp Something similar to the chat prompt would be on idea. If someone makes a few comments or a lengthy one, then a prompt inviting the user to start a meta discussion would be one thing.

ah, that's nice - encourage more people to edit

Also, could one of the mods take a look at the currently pending Suggested Edit and its reason? I'm... not sure what to do about that.

I've had bad comment experiences, but no bad edit experiences. There's something about being part of the answer instead of a critic that tempers the response.

11:18 PM

@FallenAngelEyes were you talking about the insulting thing? I just approved it, what was the problem?

It wasn't insulting at all.

oh, wait

I just approved it, meant to reject

@FallenAngelEyes but yeah, did you mean this?

gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/38119/revisions

@Wipqozn I was mostly confused on what the user found insulting and why. I'm also unsure why the link is there.

@FallenAngelEyes Approved - the video has nothing to do with the post.

Okay, I just rolled it back again. I didn't look at the link, I just assumed it wasn't some random link.

I'll need to be more careful with that.

Now I'm confused why he would have even included that link in the first place, it doesn't make any sense.

@Wipqozn hence my overall confusion

A: Are there Tools which help to develop aiming capabilities?

Although @agent86 is in chat, I'm sure he could tell us.

@agent86: What does this have to do with your answer?

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Since Team Fortress 2 is free to play, and it comes with a training mode (including bots!), it might work for your situation. You'd not only be testing your DPI settings, but you'd be practicing in a real game situation.

11:23 PM

Have any of you guys played Risen? It's on sale on Steam

was wondering how it was

Risen 2 apparently looks like, as my friend described it, "pirates+magic" so I'm curious now

Q: Are pronunciation questions out of scope?

Also, just pointing out we may need to revisit this.

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I asked a question, How do you pronounce Skyrim? a while back and it was downvoted to all hell then closed many days later. I'm not entirely sure why it's a bad question, as it is gaming related, and it does seem to be reasonably popular (though not near some other Skyrim questions) and #1 on go...

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I know the skyrim question was re-opened, but this question sparked it again and is drawing a lot of negative feed back (-4 score atm)

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Q: How is Fi's name pronounced?

I just met Fi in The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. How is her name pronounced? Fee (like easy)? Feye (like ice)? Fii (like igloo)? Or Matt (like at)?

zelda-skyward-sword

Pop tart cameras

@Wipqozn Given that there is a concrete answer for that one given the Japanese pronunciation, and it lacks any pronunciation in promotional materials, I answered it for those reasons.

@FallenAngelEyes I'm not commenting on way or the other on it, I'm not sure where I stand on it, just saying it seems we need to revisit that discussion.

Arda Xi

Oh wow. Has it been three years already?

Q: On the new profile page interface

11:34 PM

Since 2008? Yes.

Arda Xi

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I already wasn't too keen about the new profile interface when I saw it being tested out on meta.SO, and I was hoping it wouldn't have to be rolled out to here. Alas, that was not to be, for now it is a nuclear dashboard that is gracing my profile and everyone else's. Is there any user setting a...

support user-interface profile-page

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this is a good post, and I agree.

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the new profile pages just try and ram as much information down your throat as possible

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and it's like tab!-tab!-tab!-tab!-tab!-tab!-tab!-tab!-tab!

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11:40 PM

and box-of-information!-box-of-information!-box-of-information!-box-of-information!-box-of-information!-box-of-information!-box-of-information!

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and really-tightly-packed-together-list!

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and a massive-empty-box-where-I'm-not-filling-in-a-biography!

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and all I want to do is see what Q&A's someone might have recently posted.

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but no, you can have 5 top voted questions, and 5 top voted answers (because default sorting by votes is really useful)

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if you want to see more of both you have to open 2 pages!

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11:43 PM

but you can have a pretty graph of exactly how a users reputation has changed

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which, with no scale, is damn near useless

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but once we get to badges, we can have lots of padding around those

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and inline sorting... for badges... all 10 that will fit in the box.

that's not what he's complaining about

he's complaining because the reputation box hides downvotes in the four lines allocated to this information

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er, no?

11:47 PM

@badp you're thinking of the wrong post

and this clearly shows we live in a Big Brother society where everything is perfect and the party is always winning all the elections.

@Wipqozn Oh.

user30

^ only on the user lots-of-useless-summary-information-page

I'm forced to agree that I'm not keen on the new user pages.

I can see the points about information overload

@badp yeah, that's what I dislike

it just makes everything looked really.. cramped

11:50 PM

I find it ironic though that you can complain about information overload, and at the same time complain that you can't see enough of each category

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I complain about useless information.

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Also, I made an error, it appears that the default sorts are still saved to last sort.

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I'm genuinely not bothered how much a users reputation has just changed by, and to have that graphed out without a scale.

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and I wouldn't put the tags a user has participated in at the same 'level' as answers

@ThomasMcDonald So you need more numbers on the page? :P

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11:52 PM

@badp no. but the graph is essentially useless without them

@ThomasMcDonald Why not? Questions aren't that important in a Q&A anyway. Seeing what topics you are the best at is probably more interesting than seeing your top questions.

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time for a userscript

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@badp my bad.

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so then why aren't answers at the top of page?

I asked "How can I level water?" before everybody else did and got nice answers. Whoopee-fucking-do, hooray.

@ThomasMcDonald They are...

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11:54 PM

they're below questions.

nope

They were

user30

wait what

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This is the layout

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