The Pitstop

4:00 PM

We will increase their ROI by getting some return of our own.

We were messing around yesterday

It was too good an opportunity to let go. The cooking.SE wanted something culinary and we bridged the gap with Bibendum ;)

Looks like a fun conversation, lol.

@Zaid Did you know the gap was bridged IRL? bibendum.co.uk

4:21 PM

@JPhi1618 no I wasn't aware of that

Ha, that's great. You did pick a perfect crossover.

@ᴘᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2, I was on Electronics.SE this morning and it showed me a pop-up that says "Welcome back! If you found this question useful,
don't forget to vote both the question and the answers up."

I signed up a while back to post an answer or comment or something and haven't been there in a while.

Anyway, I think that's a good way to educate about voting.

6:04 PM

@JPhi1618 It makes me wonder how it's implemented for any give site?

6:17 PM

@ᴘᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2, Well, I was hoping you would know! It must be baked into the SE code somewhere, but no idea if it has settings or is different on a Beta site, etc.

I have seen it before on another site, but just really noticed because of our talk on voting.

@JPhi1618 Sounds more like something @JonEricson or maybe @BobCross might be able to answer.

True - I'm sure someone knows.

How was your weekend?

It was good. Unfortunately, I cannot stick around. I've got a boatload of work to get done ... you know how Mondays are, I'm sure! I will probably be on later ... maybe we can catch up then.

@JPhi1618 It should be enabled everywhere. I think it works when you find a question via Google or some other search engine. It doesn't pop up if you find the question on the site organically.

@JonEricson - That would make sense. Thanks for the clarification.

6:25 PM

@JonEricson, You are right on that point. The Electronics question I was on was indeed from a Google search.

For whatever reason google seems to do a better job finding questions than the native search, but that's a different topic altogether.

It's a great little feature. I've voted on a number of SO questions because of it.

Maybe it could be enhanced to also display on other cross-site links (like HNQ) as well as Google.

@JPhi1618 Google is really good at what they do. We have some changes to help us catch up a bit, but it's a hard problem.

Right, and I'm sure its also because I'm used to entering search terms the way that Google likes.

Upcoming changes, I should say. But it will be several months at best.

6:28 PM

@JonEricson - Better late than never ;-)

@JPhi1618 - I think in the search here, having less is better. The more you put into the search criteria, the more returns you get. If you can boil down what you are looking for to a very small cross section of what you're looking for (beyond the tags), I think you are more likely to find what you are looking for more easily. May take a couple of tries, but it seems to have worked okay for me. Search engines (as you probably know) are very tricky and Google has it down pat.

Anyway ... I gots ta go!

7:25 PM

@MaxGoodridge, looks like that switch might come out even easier than the mirror... passatworld.com/forums/b5-garage/…

Of course to test the mirror from the switch you'd need to find a pinout of the switch connector.

@MaxGoodridge, Man at these prices, just replace the switch and hope for the best!
http://www.amazon.com/Mirror-Switch-Control-Volkswagen-Passat/dp/B006KZAJ8C

Had no idea you could get it that cheap.

Max Goodridge

7:53 PM

@JPhi1618 Talk about cheap! Also, thanks for finding those great links for me!

Yea, that's awesome. I expect to pay a premium VW tax on all parts so finding something reasonable is pretty exciting.

Hmm... I guess since you're in Europe, are VW parts really more expensive than anything else?

In the states they are certainly more expensive that domestic parts or common Japanese cars.

Max Goodridge

8:24 PM

Not as far as I can tell - personally I don't have a problem with the cheap chinese parts (which are dead cheap) for most non-critical repairs like switches, door locks and a like

8:50 PM

@Zaid, your understanding looks correct to me on the throw.

But I just learned that word, so I'm not going to post an answer.

9:46 PM

@JPhi1618 i came across it while researching some more about firing order

I've got a very simplistic answer for you @Zaid ... I need to reread your question and make sure I've got the aspects of it covered.

@ᴘᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 the simpler the better ;)

A: What is a "crank throw" and how can I determine the number of crank throws on an engine?

Okay, here goes then ... please post your hate comments after :D (PS: I did delete the sentence which said: "No, you are wrong." ... I figured it would be nicer to let you figure that out. ;-)

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There are two basic usages for the term "crank throw". Both have to do with the crankshaft: The crank throw is a measure of the distance from the center-line of the main journal to the center-line of the rod journal. This distance could be considered the radius of the crank arm. Twice this mea...

@Zaid - I'm going to alter it a little bit.

Hey, I don't mind being told that I'm wrong :)

@Zaid - I'll rephrase what I just said ... I should alter what I wrote, as I think it is more opinion on my part than a fact.

@Zaid - I deleted my conjecture.

9:54 PM

So you need to tell me how many throws there are on a flat-plane vs a cross-plane

Look at the second bullet point

I spelled it out.

@Zaid And it all depends on how you look at the term. If you are considering the first bullet point in my answer, there is technically only a single throw.

I'll tell you why I started looking at numbers

@Zaid If considering the second bullet point, there are as many throws as there are crank arms. In a flat plane crank V8, if there are two con-rods per journal, then there are four throws.

f1technical.net/forum/…

This guy started going into all kinds of configurations

3 throws, etc

I read that.

9:59 PM

Which prompted me to ask the question

What is your concern of this in relation to my answer?

Nothing. I was just showing you where I got the term from (so I was assuming the second context)

No worries. Let the question stew for a while and let's see what pops :D I'm interested to find out what other are thinking.

There could be other meanings out there as well.

No page I visited did a good job of explaining what a throw is

The link I posted in the answer does a pretty good job, I thought.

I think the wiki article could be rewritten or fleshed out better for easier understanding.

10:06 PM

Time to sleep for me

Sleep well, my friend. As I found out this morning, it comes fast and without warning.

The morning, that is ;-)

10:31 PM

@ᴘᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 Found this, thought you might like it. Read about a quarter of it. Pretty good.

crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/images/8/84/…Rebuilding,_Performance_Mods-_M._Mavrigian_(HPBooks,_2010)_BBS.pdf

Activated my VW TDI "Customer Goodwill Package" today.

$1000 for being lied to. I'll take it.

@DucatiKiller The full thread didn't come through.

bah...one sec

crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/images/8/84/…Rebuilding,_Performance_Mods-_M._Mavrigian_(HPBooks,_2010)_BBS.pdf

damn

that's weird

something in the thing which is throwing it off ... post it as two separate pieces.

http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/images/8/84/Building_the_Chevy_LS_Engin‌e_-_Rebuilding,_Performance_Mods_-_M._Mavrigian_%28HPBooks,_2010%29_BBS.pdf

?

10:35 PM

weird......I tried sending as a comment too but that didn't work

Bam

@DucatiKiller - BTW, I checked several sources about what the throw actually means before I posted up my answer.

ok

OR not...

the document I"m trying to send is on rebuilding LS engines, it's a 200+ page book

thought you might like it

10:37 PM

www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/images/8/84/Building_the_Chevy_LS_Engine_-_Reb‌uilding,_Performance_Mods_-_M._Mavrigian_(HPBooks,_2010)_BBS.pdf

Maybe?

that is it

Whew - I think the commas were causing a problem.

but there is a db error

Still?

for me there is

I copied and pasted into a browser and it crapped out

but I have the doc open in another tab

funky

10:40 PM

ROFL! You just have to love the internet.

Yea, this is weird. A link you can't copy/paste.

Funny enough, I don't have that book. I have three different books on rebuilding LS engines, though.

I'm wondering what in the url makes it bomb

Actually I have four books.

it all seems pretty standard

10:42 PM

Three are by SA Design and one is by Motorbooks Workshop.

oh well. You wont have a fifth virtual LS book in pdf

lol ... I'll find it

well guys, it's been real. Timetomakedonuts and goto an appointment. Take care.

crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/images/8/84/…Rebuilding%2C_Performance_Mods-_M._Mavrigian_%28HPBooks%2C_2010%29_BBS.pdf

That one won't work eight

either

I hope to eventually have time to participate a bit more. been working on the wiki's in the background.

10:44 PM

crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/LSx_engine

WAIT!

I just saw it.

get it from that page

When I pasted the message, there was some kind of addtional formatting that happened.

Click on the bottom link, lol!

after I pasted.

Building the Chevy LS Engine - Rebuilding, Performance Mods

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10:45 PM

yes, if you click on the bottom link in the last link you posted....that's the doc

Ah ha!

BAM

@JPhi1618 Yup....that worked

well done

I think the chat was autoformatting something into an em-dash.

super odd

OK guys, I'm out for real this time. I want to bitch about no badges for tag wiki's other than the one silver badge.

Till next time, later!

Updated title of link above.

Cya.

10:47 PM

Later JPhi!

Oh, unless it was Ducati leaving, lol ... I'm so behind the times.