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2:51 AM
The peroxydisulfate ion, S 2O2− 8, is a oxyanion. It is commonly referred to as the persulfate ion, but this term also refers to the peroxomonosulfate ion, SO2− 5. Approximately 500,000 tons of salts containing this anion are produced annually. Important salts include sodium persulfate (Na2S2O8), potassium persulfate (K2S2O8), and ammonium persulfate ((NH4)2S2O8). These salts are colourless, water-soluble solids that are strong oxidants. == Applications == Salts of peroxydisulfate are mainly used to initiate the polymerization of various alkenes, including styrene, acrylonitrile, and fluoroalkenes...
Does sulfur have the oxidation number +7 here?
 
3:11 AM
$\ce:{2 [Fe(H_2O)_6^{3+} + 3CO_3^{2-} \rightarrow 2[Fe(H_2O)_3(OH)_3] + 3CO_2 + 3H_2O}$
strange. \ce{} does not work
Am I right to assume that if we got too little CO(2-) ions in this reaction, these ions will grab two protons each, and this will end them up as H2CO3 and then CO2 + H2O?
 
3:54 AM
I don't understand one thing in this video. He writes that the red stuff is Fe(SCN)(2+) ions. But would not Fe(3+) just form the salt, Fe(SCN)3, with the thyocyanite?
Why 2+ ions?
The German Wikipedia has a page about this salt
Eisen(III)-thiocyanat ist eine chemische Verbindung. Sie kann wasserfrei als violettfarbene Kristalle Fe(SCN)3 oder als Trihydrat Fe(SCN)3 · 3 H2O isoliert werden. In wässriger Lösung bildet das Eisen(III) mit den Thiocyanationen (SCN−) blutrote, oktaedrische Komplexe. == Komplexe des Eisen(III) == In wässriger Lösung liegen folgende drei High-Spin-Komplexe vor: Die am häufigsten vertretenen oktaedrischen Komplexe besitzen aufgrund ihrer Charge-Transfer-Eigenschaft eine blutrote Farbe, man bezeichnet sie deshalb auch als Charge-Transfer-Komplexe. Wegen ihrer intensiven Färbungen finden sie Anwendung…
Strangely, the English Wikipedia does not.
 
4:14 AM
I typed "Is zinc", and Google finished: "more reactive than copper"? It reads my mind.
 
5:04 AM
@CowperKettle Thiocyanate just like cyanate forms a complex ion with iron(III), but because SCN- is much bigger, only a few ligands will fit...
Thiocyanatoiron (systematically named thiocyanatoiron(2+)) is a inorganic cation with the chemical formula [Fe(SCN)]2+. It is known to produce a blood red color in solution. This is used as a test for Fe3+ in the laboratory. Fe3+ reacts with thiocyanate to give a series of intensely red colored compounds which remain in the solution and does not undergo any reaction after the formation of the stable octahedral structure. In high concentration of SCN− the compound is fairly octahedral with six thiocyanate ligands bonded to iron atom. Thiocyanatoiron forms a pentahydrate. Thiocyanatoiron must be...
but this article is ... more meh than anything else...
 
@Martin-マーチン Is the blue atom in this representation nitrogen?
 
@PhMgBr i would assume so...
 
Trying to remember if I got that question right in the Olympiad.
 
note this reaction equation though...
Fe3+(aq) + SCN−(aq) ↔ [Fe(SCN)]2+(aq)
 
OMG
 
5:14 AM
wrong arrow O.o
 
KILL IT WITH FIRE
 
the almighty wikipedia...
 
That article fails in the almighty scale though.
 
Most accurate reaction equation would probably be $$\ce{[Fe(H2O)6]^3+ + $x$\, SCN- <=> [Fe(H2O)_{$6-x$}(SCN)_{$x$}]^{$3-x$} + $x$\, H2O}; x\in\{1,2,3\}$$
@PhMgBr yes, it's crap ;)
 
6:00 AM
@Martin-マーチン Good morning! What is crappy there, besides the resonance arrow?
@Martin-マーチン I'll try to replace the article's equation with this.
 
Well it definitely lacks some citations and it is not quite extensive in the first place...
 
But the image is right, right? Five H2O's in a complex with Fe, and one SCN.
 
I think it is right, at least for one complex, but I am not 100% sure
i couldn't find a good description yet
I would assume that it binds with sulfur... that at least given from the parent compound... It seems pubchem agrees
 
> Fe3+ reacts with thiocyanate to give a series of intensely red colored compounds which remain in the solution and do not undergo any reaction after the formation of the stable octahedral structure.
@Martin-マーチン I read that SCN is an equidentate ligand
> Unlike polydentate ligands, ambidentate ligands can attach to the central atom in two places. A good example of this is thiocyanate, SCN−, which can attach at either the sulfur atom or the nitrogen atom.
(Wikipedia)
 
I recently performed an experiment that used $\ce{K3Fe(CN)6}$
Because the oxidation state of the iron is the same of as the iron in hemoglobin, it can be used as a blood mimic
We reacted it with Luminol to get a fluorescent reaction
It was really neat-o
 
6:26 AM
Nice!
The German article seems to be more correct.
Although I've no idea what "High Spin Complexes" are
> Thiocyanatoiron undergoes the typical chemical reactions of a thiocyanatoiron(III).
I don't understand this sentence.
 
@CowperKettle yes the german article is quite okay, it also cites some german textbooks - basically those I would have consulted...
 
Maybe some German could translate De-->> En
 
I have currently no time for it, but there are quite a few germans on the site. Why don't you ask in general about the geometry and composition, linking to both wikipedia articles and clarification of the sentences...
 
nods
 
7:08 AM
The galvanic series (or electropotential series) determines the nobility of metals and semi-metals. When two metals are submerged in an electrolyte, while also electrically connected by some external conductor, the less noble (base) will experience galvanic corrosion. The rate of corrosion is determined by the electrolyte and the difference in nobility. The difference can be measured as a difference in voltage potential: the less noble metal is the one with a lower (that is, more negative) electrode potential than the nobler one, and will function as the anode (electron or anion attractor) within...
I wonder how this is different from the standard potential series.
 
7:34 AM
@Martin-マーチン I myself was questioning whether I should close the $\ce{CuSO4}$ question as off-topic for being based on a false premise
When I read your meta post here:meta.chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/1672/…, however
I interpreted it as 'no question is exempt from being closed based on its wrongness'
My apologies if you feel I erred
 
Well, don't worry about it. I just thought this question had more trouble than just being based on a wrong premise...
It should have been closed any way.
 
Yes it did seem to have some issues
So you think there are things to be learned form being based on a false premise then?
(and don't think that a false premise is a valid reason for closing?)
 
yes i think debunking a question that is based on wrong premises is important to get this information out there
 
A very valid point
Would you want to reopen it to close it for the right reason then? As ortho once did
 
usually such a premise comes from somewhere and it is better to know where it comes about and clarifying that it is wrong, than let people believe is into all eternity
one of those points is for example the d-orbitals in hyper co-ordinated compounds...
@ringo No, that should not be done, as it does not matter much. This question will either be edited to be better and reopened, or it will be deleted in a week or so automatically. So it makes really no difference which reason was chosen.
 
7:43 AM
Alright
Thank you for you direction, fearless leader
 
Ropen/close should only be done for the rare cases that you have a duplicate and the question itself is quite well written, or for migration purpose
;D Haha, that's jonsca though
 
Does this mean that the OH- ions are generated at the tiny point of contact between water/air/iron?
 
@CowperKettle No, O2 is slightly soluble in water
 
@Hippalectryon Ah, so the reaction occurs inside the water layer, just below the surface? Thanks!
 
:-)
That being said, since there is less O2 dissolved in the "center", it mainly occurs near the borders of the dropplet
 
7:59 AM
nods
The oxygen helps draw out the negative charge from the metal, making corrosion possible.
Nice.
 
8:15 AM
If we have a Cu electrode in a CuSO4 solution, what particles will stick to the electrode to form the double layer? Cu2+ or SO4(2-)?
 
Cu2+ I guess
 
Won't that protect the electrode from corrosion, I wonder
there'll be no Cu2+ leaving the electrode proper, with all those Cu2+ floating about
 
Well actually if you just put an electrode in a CuSo4 solution, why does anything happen ?
What's the potential of CuSO4/Cu ?
 
oops
okay, scratch it out then (0:
 
@Jan how do you come up here with genitive? if it doesn't fit in this chat, you might want to help me in the g-block ;)
 
8:47 AM
> Another way to remove these same electrons is to bring a good electron acceptor (that is, an oxidizing agent) into contact with the electrode. A suitable acceptor would be hydrogen ions; this is why acids attack many metals.
So acids attack metals because H+ are capable of drawing the excess negative charge, and this allows positive metallic ions to dissociate into the solution.
 
I'd agree with that
 
Na will donate electrons even to simple water. It feels better with a positive charge. So we have Na+ and OH- and H(gas).
 
Where is Na coming from ??
 
I mean, if we take pure Na and put it into water. Alkali metals for some reason are very reactive, so they need no acid.
Na+ goes into water, negative charge accumulates, and this charge tranforms water into OH- and H gas.
 
._. umad
 
9:01 AM
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I'm musing aloud.
 
I remember that video, even from this little still shot.
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9:39 AM
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Q: Calculated 13C NMR Shifts of brominated Carbons

pH13 - Yet another PhilippSince I calculate NMR spectra for a while by simply using one of recommendations by CHEmical SHIft REpository: mPW1PW91/6-311+G(2d,p)-SCRF//B3LYP/6-31+G(d,p) without thinking to much how it actually works*, there is a common misprediction that I'd like to understand. It seems to be that the s...

 
9:54 AM
Good news
I finished my last assignment for the school year
Bad news
It's 5 in the morning
 
:(
Wait wat ?
When does your school year start and end ?
 
August-May
 
Oh ok
 
how does it work in france
 
We're offset by a month (sept-june)
 
9:55 AM
ah
Well, I must sleep
Gotta turn this in in like 5 hours
Goodnight Hipp
 
10:12 AM
'night
 
11:06 AM
@bigworld12 Yeah. Actually it's +6 to +4 but close enough. I'll type up an answer. Hold on. — orthocresol Oct 11 '15 at 10:18
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11:42 AM
A whole, non-dissociates H2SO4 molecule can oxidize?
 
12:42 PM
@CowperKettle yes, it can. Why not?
@CowperKettle anyway, in S2O8(2-), the oxidation state of sulfur is +6. Look at the bonds and cleave them the way I was telling you about the other time
so, the sulfurs are +6, what we could call the "terminal" oxygens are -2, and the "bridging" oxygens are -1 each.
that is a little loose use of "terminal" and "bridging", but i think it gets the point across
 
@orthocresol My smile was about "close enough". (0:
As for the calculations, I understood nothing. I look up the related pages at ChemWiki and come across things like "enthalpy" and "entropy" and those long thin S letters, integrals, and realize I have to read an intro-level textbook first
 
1:15 PM
Electrolysis of molten CuSO4
I don't get this: the oxidation of S in SO4(2-) is +6, and it does not change in SO3
An erroneous solution?
Besides the fact that CuSO4 will fall apart from the heat even before being electrolyzed, isn't this equation wrong?
Ah, I see, it's the oxygen that gets reduced - - to O2
 
2:10 PM
Hypochlorous acid is so wrongly formulated, HClO instead of ClOH
 
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2:56 PM
How to interpret $\dfrac{k_B T}{h}$ in Eyring Equation?
 
dunno.. good evening, Mafia!
 
user116211
@cowper o/
 
3:11 PM
If I electrolyse KBr in solution, will I get Bromine on the anode and OH- on the cathode? Does this mean that in the end Bromine will bubble out, and I will be left with KOH?
And the hydrogen gas will also bubble out.
 
 
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6:01 PM
@MAFIA36790 what's there to interpret? It's just a result of the maths imo
 
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@orthocresol Hmm... I've not delved in Statistical Mechanics though... I'm looking its thermodynamic aspect.
 
@orthocresol For instance $\frac{k_BT}{h\nu}$ is the ratio of the thermic energy on the quantum energy. I was expecting that kind of "meaning" here too
 
user116211
Atkins, in his book, did interpret this term, though quite vaguely:
 
@Hippalectryon The term kT/hv arises from the vibrational partition function, but the nu cancels out
loosely speaking, it is the number of thermally accessible vibrational states; because vibrational states are separated by a gap hv
(for a harmonic oscillator)
 
That's what I wanna hear :D thanks
 
user116211
6:05 PM
> The term arises form consideration of atoms that lead to the decay of transition state into products.
 
user116211
Arises how? What is the physical implication of this term?
 
imo kT/h by itself does not have any meaning though.
 
user116211
@orthocresol ;_;
 
@MAFIA36790 Peter Atkins, "The Laws of Thermodynamics"?
 
No one pinged me since the last 21 hours. ;_;
!!flip/everyone
 
6:16 PM
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@PhMgBr: o/
 
\o
 
Hi, @PhMgBr
 
user116211
@CowperKettle Elements of Physical Chemistry
 
@MAFIA36790 Thansk!
 
6:17 PM
Dansk?
 
user116211
@CowperKettle Transition state Theory Chemical Kinetics.
 
@Martin-マーチン So what should we call you?
 
user116211
@PhMgBr He is sleeping ;)
 
Other than Mart, Mart-the-mod and you-get-the-idea
 
user116211
or is he?
 
6:18 PM
@MAFIA36790 Sounds like a nice name.
@MAFIA36790 Experience has proven that Mart isn't asleep when you expect him to.
He's just "on vacation".
 
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@PhMgBr hahaha...
 
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6:30 PM
okay, bye comrades; good night o/
 
Night
 
Good nigh, Mafia!
Shubh raatri
 
user116211
@CowperKettle :D
 
meet-he sapne!
 
!!flip/@Cowper for speaking Inglish.
 
6:35 PM
( つ•̀ω•́)つ@ɔoʍdǝɹ ɟoɹ sdǝɐʞᴉuƃ ᴉuƃꞁᴉsɥ˙
 
Cool down, @PhMgBr-baba!
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!!flip/@PhMgBr-baba
 
(۶ૈ‡▼益▼)۶@dɥɯƃqɹ-qɐqɐ
 
7:10 PM
@CowperKettle aha you know Hindi very well!
 
@Freddy That's a pretty unjustified assumption. Just saying.
 
!!flip/just saying
 
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!!flip/!!flip/just saying
 
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7:15 PM
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┻━┻ ︵ ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
 
@Freddy No, I know googling (0:
 
Haha fail
Haha double fail
 
Good night!
 
he just came to say that.
 
7:18 PM
Pats @Fred Life's full of disappointments.
If you take a look at the equilibrium constant for your reaction, you'll see why. @Ivan please don't forget about bad titles, for the sake of Mart-the-mod's heart. :) — PhMgBr 51 secs ago
 
nods
 
The Town Hall event is over. Here's a link if you feel bored.
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@PhMgBr Any summary yet ?
 
Not that I've seen.
 

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