The Periodic Table

3:46 AM

@SelflessPsychopath I very much agree with @MARamezani. You should go ahead and ask your questions. Put in as much detail as necessary - the community loves detail. And then we talk about it - we have some fabulous experts here.

santiago

6:04 AM

@SelflessPsychopath welcome! Do what I have done - dive straight in! It is a very nice place, with extremely knowledgeable and helpful people here!

MARamezani

12:19 PM

@Martin I agree with myself too.

Just so everyone knows, I'm here, if they needed to ping me.

user146722

3:18 PM

@NicolauSakerNeto wish I could double star this

Nicolau Saker Neto

It's a good quote, helps to get through those rough times

MARamezani

Hullo guys!

Nicolau Saker Neto

Hey MARamezani

user146722

hi

ADG

hello @MARamezani

MARamezani

3:22 PM

@SelflessPsychopath Did you ask that question?

@ADG Hullo!

ADG

would you see my answer at chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/29016/…

user146722

@MARamezani No I'm having a little trouble with the system here, it sure feels like being seen on the question form is blatantly admitting I'm a stupid weakling without influence

MARamezani

@ADG Boy, you couldn't have written that in the first place, could you!

Nicolau Saker Neto

I was about to make a comment on that answer

I think there's something wrong with your equation, because the units don't seem to match

ADG

@MARamezani you mean?

MARamezani

3:24 PM

@NicolauSakerNeto Really? Checking again

Nicolau Saker Neto

DeltaG has units of J or J/mol, but you're summing forces, which have units of N

ADG

@NicolauSakerNeto I thought that too, some dimensions are missing because something like 1m etc. are missing.

user146722

@MARamezani But I appreciate the lead, I've been studying reaction kinetics a bit on my own

MARamezani

@NicolauSakerNeto Hmm, yes. I think the force summing part is obscure too.

@SelflessPsychopath Mission accomplished.

It doesn't work. Hmm,....

@ADG I hope you start behaving constructively from now on.

ADG

@MARamezani got it

MARamezani

3:27 PM

And start putting an end to rude comments.

ADG

@MARamezani now my proof is complete.

user146722

Thanks

ADG

yes i was never social to begin with due to a mishap

MARamezani

@ADG Another start! Yay!

@SelflessPsychopath Oh, by it doesn't work... I meant the force summing!

Mission accomplished was meant for your message.

It was a reflection of my gratitude in helping someone lubricate their path towards learning something/ starting to learn something.

ADG

@MARamezani see edit.

MARamezani

3:31 PM

Look who's here! Hullo @Gowtham!

ADG

see this too chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/29025/…

Gowtham

@MARamezani oh hello there

MARamezani

@Gowtham I remember I remember remembering you from some old posts of mine. Good times good times!

ADG

@Gowtham gautam gulati?

Gowtham

um nope ...

@ADG saurashtrian settled in tamilnadu

ADG

3:35 PM

@Gowtham languages spoken=?

@MARamezani on another note I would say I don't know what this constructively is supposed to mean. Lang.Prob. I know the building construction.

but i guess it's related to

offensiveness?

Gowtham

@ADG language is called saurashtra (not to be confused with the place) , also hindu, tamil , can understand some malayalam, gujarati, marathi

MARamezani

@ADG What?

ADG

@Gowtham thike samajh gaya

@MARamezani This user has been annoyed by your "What?" even after writing so clearly

MARamezani

Ah, think I get what you mean.

Gowtham

@MARamezani i think he means , the rudeness is caused due to a language barrier than actual intent to being rude i think

MARamezani

3:38 PM

Yes. I'm so used to responding to messages I forgot @ADG wasn't pointing to my last message.

ADG

@Gowtham thanks bhai

MARamezani

@ADG "not constructive" means accusing someone, without bringing in proof.

Very likely, being "constructive" means adding something to the community @ADG.

i.e. Building it up.

Gowtham

@ADG constructively can mean trying to arrive at a solution with polite,positive discussions than turning to personal or other attacks etc

MARamezani

@Gowtham Doesn't necessarily mean attacking, but yeah.

ADG

now I have two contradicting definitions

MARamezani

3:41 PM

@ADG They're not really contradicting.

Gowtham

"than" is the keyword there

MARamezani

Hmm, I see what you mean.

Still, my def is better, cuz I said so!

Gowtham

:P

ADG

(-_-)

MARamezani

Hmm, @ADG I remembered you were sixteen too, right?

ADG

3:43 PM

(-_-)zzz

$\pm 2$

MARamezani

Hmm?

user146722

Turn on latex

Gowtham

you guys so young

MARamezani

@SelflessPsychopath No LaTex here. :(

user146722

2 days ago, by ADG

Latex in Chat

MARamezani

3:45 PM

@Gowtham Don't worry. I don't use diapers anymore.

user146722

Moderator should really sticky that

Gowtham

meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/3297#3297

MARamezani

@SelflessPsychopath Mods aren't any real powers here, unless they're SE devs.

ADG

@MARamezani there's one sticken in maths

user146722

@MadaraUchiha Users are becoming confused about the technical details of ChatJax. Can we have the bookmarklet pinned to the star board, so that users can understand that the chatroom itself does not need to support it?

MARamezani

3:47 PM

@SelflessPsychopath I recommend Manish's script:

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Q: MathJax in chat (ChatJax offshoot)

This is an offshoot of ChatJax, which enables MathJax along with mhchem on chat. Copy the text below: javascript:(function(){if(window.MathJax===undefined){var%20script=document.createElement("script");script.type="text/javascript";script.src="https://d3eoax9i5htok0.cloudfront.net/mathjax/lat...

ADG

oh cmon, who'd need mchem here? is there any need? tell @MARamezani

I think chat is a little informal way of talking

MARamezani

@ADG Well, some people use it as an edu thingie.

I've never seen Ron say anything off-topic here, for instance.

ADG

@MARamezani well I can say NaOH and you can understand that even.

MARamezani

EVEN!

ADG

This user has been annoyed by your unmeaningful joke

MARamezani

3:50 PM

I was the target of the joke, so don't bother.

ADG

We can get Latex sticken there by starring it by $\ge$ 10 people.

MARamezani

I'm not even really phuunny here. I leave most of the phuunniness to ELL's chat.

ADG

since I don't believe anything here would get that much stars in a whole century

ERROR 101 : Unknown keyword "ELL"

MARamezani

Check ell.stackexchange.com

Gowtham

english language learners ?

MARamezani

3:52 PM

Yep.

Gowtham

huh not a bad guess i suppose

MARamezani

That was a guess?!

ADG

answer improved here chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/29016/…

Gowtham

@MARamezani probably came across it before when scrolling through the drop-down listt

MARamezani

BTW, I don't wanna be that guy, but I need to point you to a few pointers @ADG, and that's because my mentorship of another friend was useful.

ADG

3:55 PM

translate to simple english.

> BTW, I don't wanna be that guy, but I need to point you to a few pointers @ADG, and that's because my mentorship of another friend was useful.

MARamezani

I helped a schoolmate learn the ropes of acting morally on a SE, and I wanna tell you some things too.

Please consider them as an advice of a person who seeks to be helpful, not as someone who's trolling on you or wants to pick on you, OK?

ADG

Yah anyways I had to improve my interpersonal relation now or then. Better now hence no problem later, SE has provided me with such a platform.

MARamezani

Ya know, I see your meta posts were unpopular here.

ADG

is "ya know = do you know ?"?

MARamezani

Ya == You.

You know is a fixed expression.

ADG

4:02 PM

ok

now

so?

MARamezani

There are some things that shouldn't be talked about in SEs.

Even if they're about SEs.

And they're very relevant, and a popular problem.

ADG

like?

MARamezani

How much does downvoting without reasons bother you? A lot I bet.

But,

if you go and ask "why are people not explaining the reasons of the downvotes?", 95% of the time you get this:

ADG

what do i get?

MARamezani

-22

Q: Why do we get random downvotes?

I and my friend used to ask programming questions on Stack Overflow, until we saw that 90% of our questions have at least 1 downvote and nobody cares to explain or at least give a clue why. For example: Send mouse events to handle in C#? Would this kind of encryption be good at anything? Start...

discussion down-votes

Even if they're seemingly reasonable and good suggestions:

-27

Q: Force user to provide the reason for downvote - but keep the downvoter anonymous to the viewers

I think Stack Exchange team should take this as a serious feature update. That is, force all downvoters to provide the reason for downvote. This will help the user to understand why his/her question is being downvoted! Otherwise, 90% of the downvoters won't comment after they make the vote, leavi...

feature-request voting down-votes

ADG

4:07 PM

ok

what do you mean

MARamezani

-28

Q: Must comment while downvoting

Possible Duplicate: Encouraging people to explain down-votes Why not allow downvote only with at least an anonymous comment? Down Voters Should be Forced to Leave a Comment (deleted, requires 10k meta rep) Recently I answered a query on Stackoverflow and with in 10 minutes i got an u...

feature-request down-votes

ADG

tell me that

ok

MARamezani

etc etc.

ADG

stop this

MARamezani

OK.

So,

-6

Q: Condition of questions on the site

The site has many good and bad questions, but many are asked by new users who just disappear after asking there questions, what will happen of the good answers written by the regular users, neither the answers are voted up nor marked as correct, even by the fellow regular users. Also there are ma...

discussion

this shouldn't have been put into discussion.

ADG

4:09 PM

please don't force me tryiing to decipher a puzzle

tell me quickly

@MARamezani do you mean that i should have used another tag?

MARamezani

No. You shouldn't have asked such a thing.

The next tip: Don't look down on other users, pretty please.

Gowtham

i think downvotes in meta mean only disagreement , doesnt have to be anything being incorrect/unclear...

MARamezani

If they're bragging, it's their problem.

@Gowtham It does.

It's actually something between indicating (dis)agreement and quality.

@Gowtham for example:

626

Q: Encouraging people to explain downvotes

I used to get "upset" (though that is too strong a term) when I got downvoted without comment. If my answer isn't good enough then I'd like to know why. Not only does it improve the answer for the OP but it improves my knowledge too. Where the down-vote has been explained I've found it useful & ...

feature-request status-completed voting down-votes comments

Oh, hullo @Martin!

Sorry I didn't see you there.

ADG

@MARamezani he tries to remain silent when I'm around

MARamezani

Don't think so.

Maybe he's just reading the log.

ADG

4:16 PM

@Martin hello

Gowtham

@MARamezani ya i get that, but downvotes in a meta post shouldnt bother me as much as one in main site - this is what i mean

MARamezani

He could easily ignore you.

@Gowtham Yes, of course.

ADG

@Gowtham you're right

MARamezani

And even for more reasons than that.

Gowtham

or he is just afk

ADG

4:17 PM

@Gowtham no he does that often

@Martin .... oh Martin

MARamezani

@ADG So maybe he's reading the chat log often?

@ADG pinging people repeatedly is rude, unless everyone gets it as humor.

ADG

@MARamezani he told me that he is not a full time chatter as a reason

MARamezani

Well, I wouldn't be surprised hearing that from a PhD.

ADG

@MARamezani I get more annoyed if people try to ignore me than they get by them being repeteadly pingef.

@MARamezani you thinking of him being busy in work?

MARamezani

@ADG No no, there's an ignore button!

ADG

4:19 PM

@MARamezani Bad Joke ewww..

MARamezani

Click on my profile.

ADG

@MARamezani if he would be, then why would he be so working to edit every post and work so much for main, also even come online here?

MARamezani

There is an option ignore this user.

Gowtham

language barrier seeped in

MARamezani

@ADG I'm not Martin. Don't ask me.

@Gowtham I usually don't let it happen.

Gowtham

4:21 PM

basically he doesnt get notified if he ignored you.

2

MARamezani

Yep.

ADG

@MARamezani sorry but most people say this when they have no answer

@MARamezani oh there is, boring

MARamezani

@ADG No answer to what?

ADG

@MARamezani nvm

MARamezani

See the problem here @ADG?

ADG

4:22 PM

@MARamezani you're unclear

MARamezani

Feeling yourself against people and being pessimistic about it rather than feeling the being with people.

Gowtham

i can :) @ADG, @MARamezani thinks martin ignored you so he doesnt respond to your pings , though he pointed out that repeated ping wont help you get a reply which probably confused this conversation

MARamezani

You're putting yourself in a position of a fight. Where you have to defend yourself against what we say, when that needn't be the case.

Better be together than be facing each other.

Everyone is here to learn,

3

ADG

@Gowtham you're very clear

@MARamezani you're still unclear

MARamezani

and everyone is a human being. A human is to err, and tolerance is the beauty of temper.

@ADG I'm just pointing to the behavior you're having here man!

Gowtham

4:26 PM

@ADG i think @MARamezani is pretty clear, its just how we perceive things . one leads to clarity and other confusion , when both posters intend it to clear the air. though language is probably the culprit here than anyone

2

ADG

@MARamezani do you really think I was 100% sure that martin is ignoring me.

MARamezani

@Gowtham But wait! I didn't say I think that way. In fact, Martin could've flagged @ADG's messages when he was being ~~impolite~~ in a bad mood, but he didn't.

ADG

@Gowtham so great.

MARamezani

He's a teacher, and teachers are very passionate and patient.

@ADG the next tip: Don't make [false] assumptions about the community.

ADG

@MARamezani I don't want to talk about him, and I was never caring about what Marting thought about me or was ignoring me, I was just guessing.

like?

Gowtham

4:28 PM

@MARamezani and that is my barrier right there :P you were rather pointing to the possibility than thinking that he ignored

MARamezani

> The audience here is very less...

@Gowtham BLOW DOWN THE GATES!

ADG

@Gowtham you got it

Presently I'm felling like MAR is trying to preach me something but in a wierd trolling fashion and Gowtham is talking rationally, I'm very unclear with MAR and I think I need to go away from here

Gowtham

@ADG my english is actually piss poor, got 63 in 10th and 79 in 12th. but try to get my thought across to best of my ability

MARamezani

@ADG No.

I said I wanted to help.

See? Again perceiving it as trolling.

ADG

@Gowtham marks don't matter unless you are able to express yourself clearly.

MARamezani

4:32 PM

For instance, making the assumption that someone downvotes your question because they aren't knowledgeable in that topic is incorrect.

-6

Q: OK "lack of knowledge" vs "unclarity"

What if you are seeing an interesting (or not) question and want to answer it, and if you can't understand something in the post, because you don't know it, for an example consider a question regarding hybridization (like $\rm sp^3d^2$) and you don't know what is d (orbital). In that case would y...

discussion

Gowtham

>BTW, I don't wanna be that guy, but I need to point you to a few pointers @ADG, and that's because my mentorship of another friend was useful.
>Please consider them as an advice of a person who seeks to be helpful, not as someone who's trolling on you or wants to pick on you, OK?

MARamezani

Sigh

ADG

@Gowtham now I get it. you're better than MAR.

Gowtham

um that was by MAR lol

MARamezani

Let's fight for it @Gowtham!

ADG

4:34 PM

@MARamezani You want me to be more constructive and less rude?

MARamezani

@ADG Well, I'm asking you to step back sometimes and say: "Did he commit a sin when he was wrong?"

Or ask "Maybe, and maybe, there's something wrong with me, rather than a whole community."

ADG

@MARamezani I get it. You're just helping me to improve my interpersonal relations, you should've said it in a line. I can do it on my own

Gowtham

and probably try to see yourself at other end of your own comments

MARamezani

@ADG Sincerely, I doubt it.

ADG

@Gowtham You can consider that first I was trapped in a suspension for plagiarism and again so I grew a little revengic

MARamezani

4:36 PM

Precisely. And the going revengic part was the problem.

Suspensions are for people to learn from their mistakes.

They don't work sometimes.

Resulting in a bad mood and two days of troubling people.

ADG

First time was because I posted something form wikipedia without source and something really written by me(It really looked like bookish).

Second time because I just wrote something from the NCERT solutions of people from various blogs.

@Gowtham do you think this is plagiarism

Ya it is of one kind

But they have already provided it free for people but ...

MARamezani

@ADG The point isn't its being free.

You need to attribute content.

That's all.

494

Q: Will Stack Overflow boycott GoDaddy because of their support for SOPA?

GoDaddy has apparently withdrawn their support for SOPA. Read link for more info: Go Daddy’s Position on SOPA, from their website; it is obviously yet to be seen whether they will continue to hold this stance as proceedings continue with SOPA. Be aware. A partial excerpt from the statemen...

discussion status-completed sopa politics

ADG

What if I create a random blog and post answers to 10 questions, and someone uses it here?

MARamezani

They must attribute to your content.

Gowtham

it is plagiarism , all you need to do is point to the source. taking that extra step is not a big issue. i think one of my answers was also criticized but for the opposite reason. i gave a sort of link-answer without including the relevant text from there. so again the keyword here is constructive

ADG

4:43 PM

@Gowtham you're more meaning ful here too, MAR you're too loud

Gowtham

O.o

MARamezani

@ADG Very important: The answer and/or the question will be for future visitors mainly, and not the OP.

@ADG Capitalization is being loud (aka shouting), not emboldening. Emboldening is just putting emphasis.

Gowtham

@ADG you shouldnt take everything as black-white. both of us trying to help.

MARamezani

Sorry, but the more you reject my suggestions, it's your funeral.

ADG

:D

@Gowtham got it

please end it now.

MARamezani

4:46 PM

Sigh Just so you know, whoever else it would've been, they'd get suspended for at least six months. I know you're trying to improve, and I wanted to help.

user146722

lol

MARamezani

Jonsca just went through cleaning like 50 comments of yours @ADG.

Usually only 10 suffice for another suspension.

But now you're really making me like why do I even wanna help this guy?

Because anything I suggest is rejected by your ego.

user146722

@Gowtham You're in the wrong because they have a logical reason why you should copy paste.

user146722

You have no right to disagree until you understand their reason.

user146722

And it's simple, the link can break one day.

user146722

4:49 PM

That's all

ADG

@MARamezani I tried to understand everything to my fullest whatever you said, and I'll try what I understood

MARamezani

Good.

ADG

I was just saying you to be clear or simple in english

I'm not shakespearee

spell mist $\uparrow$

MARamezani

Hehe! You should see snailboat!

Gowtham

@SelflessPsychopath um i think i did it after the suggestion :P . was just giving a perspective to adg

MARamezani

4:50 PM

(Someone in ELL's chat)

BTW most of my using almost higher than upgoer-five words is because you guys made me turn serious for some time.

I never talk like that when I'm the normal me.

ADG

snailboat=?

how is your last statement concerning us?

help indeed!

MARamezani

2 mins ago, by MARamezani

(Someone in ELL's chat)

Gowtham

@MARamezani i dont even talk english too much , except to profs and maybe in shops

MARamezani

@Gowtham I don't talk English. Really.

I'm living in Iran!

ADG

@Gowtham shops? eh? (?_?)

MARamezani

4:53 PM

The only English I do is in the internet.

Here, on ELL's chat, and while reading articles.

Gowtham

ya, me in US , now for a small time in India

ADG

Oh!

MARamezani

@Gowtham You're better than me in speaking English, I'd say.

ADG

I just wanna speak Hindi

Gowtham

probably chatting , doubt about speaking :P

ADG

4:56 PM

BYE

MARamezani

Bye! And don't forget what I said.

ADG

advice for you: people can't hear when they are gone, this is a special case

Gowtham

also wanted to post this here : chat is an asynchronous communication protocol.

MARamezani

Nevermind!

@ADG Just remember, always put yourself in people's shoes. I'm done here.

Martin

5:19 PM

Just for the record, I am not ignoring anyone here.

Sometimes I just don't have to say anything...

MARamezani

@Martin No one said you did! Hullo!

Martin

@MARamezani Just making it clear, it appeared like it earlier in the transcript

MARamezani

I guess you're on mobile? :}

Oh, no. You're not.

Martin

Nope... I am on my home machine

MARamezani

Yes, if you were on mobile, you wouldn't like to edit anything... :}

Martin

5:23 PM

It's late now, I was checking the transcript because of some pings... then I had some food and beer

MARamezani

I said some very wise things.

Martin

I never tried editing on mobile, I do not even like answering comments there, but sometimes I do because I would forget otherwise...

@MARamezani I know, I read them.

MARamezani

Don't forget to star them!

:P

Martin

You cannot star from the transcript, and I am sorry, but I do not want to go through the whole chat again, too much words and I am starting to get tired

MARamezani

Nevermind! Have fun sleeping! Sleep on my behalf too!

Martin

5:31 PM

@MARamezani What's up? Can't sleep or don't want to?

MARamezani

@Martin Both...

Martin

I know that feeling...

And when it gets hotter here in Japan and more humid, there is only the state of half-awake and half-sleeping all the time...

I bet it's pretty hot in Iran in summer, is it humid?

MARamezani

Well, I live in the colder part of the Iran.

About humidity, it hardly gets humid here.

Martin

Maybe you are lucky about that... I don't know, I come from a cold place called germany. Sometimes also the people are cold, too.

LOL

Oh I gotta ping @santiago on this LOL ;)

MARamezani

@santiago @santiago

We need you to go an LOL on this one.

@Martin Well, I think the modern machinery makes people cold...

Oh no, getting philosophical again. This ain't good...

Martin

5:37 PM

I have recently discovered I earned outspoken in chat... I was really proud on that one...

Haha... well, there is some prejudice about the german people...

some of it is actually true...

Not a lot of us are small talkers :D

MARamezani

Well, I've heard that too.

But the German people here are fun.

Martin

;) Good to hear that.

MARamezani

What time is it there?

Martin

Where? Here or where the rest of my family is?

MARamezani

Both. Don't make me go over there...

...and google the time myself.

Martin

5:46 PM

It's 2:49 here and minus seven, so 6:49 there...

I am not good at math, LOL

MARamezani

Or,

Martin

I guess that is correct ;)

Let me check my phone

It says it's 7:49 in germany

MARamezani

Very good at math!

Especially at 2:49 a.m.

Martin

Not just in my head, always the old fashioned way, with pen and paper

more precisely: pencil

Did you see my alternative answer on the perturbation theory question?

MARamezani

@Martin Nope.

Hullo @madsci!

@Martin OK I now did.

As I said, you really need to publish something fast.

@Martin BTW have you learnt about @beginner?

Martin

5:58 PM

What should I have learned about him?

@MARamezani I cannot publish anything at the moment, it is too secret.

LOL

MARamezani

He's a PhD is somethingational chemistry, and has a research gate account.

And he's shy, just like you!

Heck, he's your evil twin,

O.O

Or maybe you're his evil twin.

Oh, and he's 33.

:21243375 What?

Martin

Yes I have seen that, I went to his profile, looked at his publications, pretty impressive for a so called @beginner.

MARamezani

@Martin He told me he didn't find any other names, so he just went with beginner.

Martin

I am no ones evil twin... and I am pretty sure he is not either.

Oh, that pun did not work...

MARamezani

@Martin OK! Heavenly twins.

Martin

6:01 PM

ROTFL

I needed to change that.

I am not @santiago... it's his word.

MARamezani

Aha!

Martin

Alrighty, time for sleep. I need to be fresh tomorrow. Apparently I agreed to play tennis tomorrow...

MARamezani

Bye, and @Martin if you ever felt bored

Apr 16 at 15:56, by MARamezani

@beginner Hullo and welcome to the chat!

Read the log from there.

Lest you haven't.

Madara Uchiha

6:47 PM

@SelflessPsychopath you called?

MARamezani

@MadaraUchiha Hullo!

Madara Uchiha

o/

MARamezani

Mmm, someone called you here?

Madara Uchiha

3 hours ago, by Selfless Psychopath

@MadaraUchiha Users are becoming confused about the technical details of ChatJax. Can we have the bookmarklet pinned to the star board, so that users can understand that the chatroom itself does not need to support it?

MARamezani

O.O

Madara Uchiha

6:50 PM

status-complete

MARamezani

Sheesh. That needed calling you?

@MadaraUchiha Really? Thanks!

Madara Uchiha

Do you guys not have room owners?

MARamezani

We have. Well, they used to be in my pockets, they somehow fell. :}