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Q: Cannot enjoy working for any company

peterPetersonBasically, I am a developer with 5 years experience, and I am 25 yo, I have worked for a big companies and for a small company. When I am at home I use to work on personal projects. The thing is no matter what kind of company, salary, etc. After let say 6 > 8 months, I loose all my motivation and...

ugh
 
Bmo
12:15 PM
@enderland I have almost the same problem. Maybe the answer should be buy a house. My mortgage keeps me pretty motivated when I start to lose focus...
 
1:00 PM
I need a serious favor, can someone review this gist.github.com/JaDogg/6f8457af06ceb353afd8
hey anyone here ?
 
@Bhathiya-JaDogg-Perera I'm here, but I'm a bit confused about what you want the review for.
 
sorry I'm trying to write a Q/A for myself so i can face an interview better
 
You should read that @Bmo though I warn you, it might completely transform your life
 
1:18 PM
@Bhathiya-JaDogg-Perera What sort of review are you expecting exactly? It's a lot easier to read something if you know what it's supposed to be for, how it will be used, and what sort of feedback you want.
 
@jmac Imagine if you are an interviewer would you hire me if I say those things ?
 
@Bhathiya-JaDogg-Perera It doesn't much matter what I think, it matters what the interviewers at that company think, no?
 
yes, But I have to prepare somehow
 
Will they read this document?
Are these questions you know they will ask?
 
@jmac I think it's just preparing for potential interview topics/questions
 
1:22 PM
Will you be expected to prepare a speech like you have written there?
 
no, they wont read this. Yes those are the questions I think they will ask
 
Ah, I get it now @enderland, okay, that makes a lot more sense.
3 suggestions:
1) Conclusion first. Explain what is important first, and follow with details after you've done that. People ignore details if they don't know why they're important.
2) Try to limit your answers to the most important thing, rather than trying to say everything at once. Try to focus your message on one thing to have them remember you by if you want a better chance of sticking out.
3) Be careful about perfectionism or mentioning it. If you are going to be an intern (there short-term), they may prefer someone who can get something done now than someone who can perfect something
It looks like what you want to say is that you are an enthusiastic learner, especially of best practices and how things are run. Rather than focusing on perfectionism (which is a double-edged sword), maybe you can focus more on your passion for learning @Bhathiya?
 
maybe you can focus more on your passion for learning @Bhathiya? -> sorry I dont get this
 
So for instance, right now you have 12 things in your self-introduction. They range from how hard you are willing to work, to learning new technologies, to perfectionism, to what you've studied. This is a lot of stuff. What if you limited it to points 1,4,6 and 10?
 
oh Good Idea
 
Bmo
1:29 PM
@enderland I am both a cynic and a skeptic for those type of books, but since it was completely unsolicited, I may give it a look.
 
Basically, "Hi, I'm Bhathiya. I love code, and I love reviewing code to learn how to improve. I don't know everything, but I am comfortable with Java-stuff. I understand you guys use C++-whatnot, which I am excited to dive in to and learn your best practices about."
 
Bmo
#commasplice
 
@Bmo you could probably read wiki or summaries of it and get the jist of it to see if you'd actually be interested enough to read it
 
That is a lot more focused, and shows where your strengths are (learning and current technologies), as well as showing that you have looked in to their business and are excited to learn their technologies too.
 
thanks, nicely done :D
 
1:31 PM
Also, instead of trying to tackle three projects, I would focus on which skills each project shows that you have. It sounds like you're just putting everything out there, rather than thinking about how the projects will each be viewed.
For instance, the card game project would be great to show: (a) you can work in a team, (b) you can learn from your mistakes
I know absolutely nothing about unit tests.
The third project shows that you are involved in open source, participate in communities like SE, and that you are self-motivated (because nobody is pushing you to that)
So if they ask, "Tell us about one of your recent projects" you should think about what you most want to appeal -- is it your teamwork? Your ability to learn from your mistakes? Your self-motivation? And depending on what you think will be received best, share that project, focusing on the positive skills you learned.
I would also strongly consider changing your answer to the 'weakness' question. Really, this is one of those things that a lot of employers I have met in the past cannot stand. Perfectionist = controlling, unwilling to compromise, and take too long to get anything done.
 
is this good : I am a bit of a perfectionist. Sometimes I go for overkill solutions. But in the past months I have learned to ask others opinion before I go for the overkill.
 
I would change it around to be a little less negative. For instance, "I like good clean code and often find I need to put in more hours when approaching a deadline to get things to my standards. I am working on making my code functional if not perfect, but easy to refactor later, but it takes practice and I haven't gotten the hang of it perfectly yet."
 
@jmac thanks for the help. I appreciate it.
 
You can also spin the weakness question to be something that is more specific god the role. If they are looking for someone who knows technology X, and you don't know technology X, you can say that your weakness is not knowing that tech, then mention your plan to learn it quickly
 
Says the same thing, but makes it less of an issue with, "I cannot stand imperfect solutions" and focuses more on "Because I want to make things good it takes a little extra time. I still need to prioritize code to decide which to make perfect, and which to make good enough"
 
1:42 PM
mmm
 
Mobile autocorrected "to" to "god", not sure what that is about :s
 
@MattGiltaji My default answer to the weakness question is, "I have this really annoying ingrown toenail which just doesn't want to go away."
Usually interviewers are impressed that I show such stoicism when faced with such a serious injury.
 
Lol.
 
Okay, time for me to do dishes and prepare for sleep. Election tomorrow. Have to prepare my acceptance speech for when I finally win that last seat in the election!
 
The weakness question is such a not useful question, I never ask it when I'm on the interviewer side
 
Bmo
1:44 PM
@MattGiltaji I agree, everyone spins it into a positive anyway. I don't know xyz, but I'm a quick learner. I'm shy but it causes me to pay extra attention to detail.
 
When I'm on the interviewer side, I always ask, "What would you do if you had a really ingrown toenail that has been bothering you for two years on and off?"
If they say, "Go to a doctor and get it fixed" they are off my list.
 
Bmo
@jmac Amputate.
 
@Bmo That is a good answer. Along with, "Be sure to cast it as a long variable, so it doesn't overflow." I don't know tech, so that sounds like a sound suggestion to me.
 
Bmo
Technical vocab is the best 'getting the boss off your case' remedy.
I don't know what it is about computers but nobody ever asks to clarify, even when you just skim into the details.
 
(In case it wasn't obvious, I am not serious about anything involving ingrown toenails)
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1:48 PM
Depends on who the interviewer is. I will probe a technical question deep if I am familiar with the subject
 
(though they are a serious problem, they are not interview-appropriate, unless you're in the medical or pedicure-related professions)
Computers are complicated. That's why. And most engineers with deep subject knowledge are utterly incapable of communicating with someone who doesn't have the same baseline knowledge.
 
Computers change too, so your deep subject knowledge can lose relevance over time. Your communication skills will always be mportant
 
Communication...skills...? I should look in to that.
 
1:55 PM
I was going to link the office space people skills guy, but mobile interface is failing me right now
 
Bmo
 
@enderland Is that the Mask?
 
thanks guys, I'm going to leave now bye.
 
Bmo
Have a good day, and good luck!
 
@jmac trollololoolol
 
Bmo
2:11 PM
I will whistle that tune while trolling is in progress.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:23 PM
Goodnight. May I awake to a new moderator who will do my job better than me!
 
 
2 hours later…
5:14 PM
hi all, is this on-topic?
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Q: Do active noise-cancelling headphones help reduce sound pressure level, if my aim is perfect silence?

gerritI am sensitive to noises in the office. In my ideal environment, the the sound pressure level is 0 dB SPL. In my office, people sometimes have (teleconference) meetings, so the sound pressure level may be much higher than 0 dB SPL. I am considering active noise-cancelling headphones, but judgi...

it seems much more about the headphones than about the office
but wanted to sanity check before commenting to that effect
 
This question appears to be off-topic because it is about a product specification/technical specs and not about navigating the workplace. — enderland 4 mins ago
I guess I agree since I didn't see that until just now, lol
 
@enderland lol ya
 
5:29 PM
I guess the election ends soon
I feel like I kinda forgot about it
 
yeah everything seemed to die down towards the end of last week
 
Guess I'll be curious what things look like
 
yeah
If you, or any of the candidates who answered the questions and showed up in chat, win, I'll be cool with that
 
Just in time for me to be on vacation for a few days :P
 
if one of the others who is phoning it in wins, I'll be a little pissed
not enough to do anything about it, but pissed nonetheless
 
5:37 PM
I mainly just am curious what voting looks like, I'm a nerd
I like looking at that sort of thing
 
and for posterity's sake, IMO phoning it in = not answering questions on the meta thread or in the election chat
@enderland yeah, I was looking at the last election results. If I had more of a stats background, i would do something cool with the raw data.
 
 
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7:04 PM
56 minutes.
 
7:48 PM
@MonicaCellio how soon are results announced after the election ends?
 
@MattGiltaji last time it was about 5 minutes after, I think. Pretty quickly, in other words.
 
8:07 PM
@MattGiltaji normally the data is published pretty quick and anyone with an STV processor can run the data
enderland won
 
I'm surprised at how many votes Wesley Long had
 
Congratulations Enderland
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Congrats, @enderland!
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I'll do an official announcement when I make it back to my desk, if no one beats me to it.
 
Congrats @enderland!
 
8:20 PM
@Rachel I am too. I'm also surprised that maple_shaft, who didn't participate in the election after nominating, came in second.
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grats @enderland!
 
8:55 PM
@MonicaCellio he likely got quite a bit of votes from users active at Programmers (me for example:)
 
9:09 PM
@gnat there's certainly name-recognition, and he has participated a lot at The Workplace in the past. It'd be nice to have him back as a user.
I suspect Programmers keeps him pretty busy.
 
Thanks everyone :-) Nothing like being in a meeting for the past two hours...
"how can I convince my boss to skip a meeting so I can see stack exchange election results?"
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@enderland I was flying back from a job interview during the last one. I got a bunch of pings on my phone at the airport. :-)
(I got that job too, in case anybody was wondering. Good day all around.)
 
@MonicaCellio well, this time he's not only a user but a next runner up, which makes me feel really good. And yeah, Programmers are a bit of a tougher load for moderators lately, there are lots of q-banned "visitors from SO" trying to push their garbage though there
 
@gnat not surprising. Programmers is just a permissive SO where people can get away with crap, right? Um, no.
 
@MonicaCellio yeah that's how it goes. I'm doing like, 20-30 flags there daily for few last months
and I think I'm not alone
 
9:18 PM
programmers gets a lot more "this is bad content and never salvagable" too - here it's often possible to salvage
 
@enderland now that you probably have to be more restricted with binding close votes, please please leave comments under troublesome questions (and especially dupes), I'll follow up on these with my regular votes. Per my past experience at Programmers, this scheme works pretty well, I VtCed quite a bunch of questions simply following mod comments
 
@gnat yeah, it'll take me a while to get a feel for how to use binding votes
Maybe I'll go through the close vote queue now... :D
 
CLOSE ALL THE THINGS!
 
So I can get some last "I think this is good!" ones in there ;) lol
 
@enderland right, TWP questions are more often "reopenable". At Programmers, significant portion of closures recently are questions that could be edited to make it into SO but would not because asker is banned. Question blocks rework will probably address / tame this but it's going to take 6-8 weeks to implement
 
9:38 PM
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Q: Summer 2014 Community Moderator Election Results

Shog9The Workplace's 2nd moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the new moderator is: He'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank him for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice as he learns the ropes! For details on how the voting played...

 
Landslide
 
in Workplace 2014 Election Number 2, 46 mins ago, by Monica Cellio
Vote counts (first place only):
enderland: 163
maple_shaft: 56
Matt: 14
Wesley: 31
itcould...: 5
Mike: 11
Captain...: 5
 
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Q: Summer 2014 Community Moderator Election Results

Shog9The Workplace's 2nd moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the new moderator is: He'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank him for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice as he learns the ropes! For details on how the voting played...

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@gnat I would call that a landslide
 
@Ampt Yes looks like that. If this indicates community support for position he maintained during (and long long before) elections then I am friggin' happy
 
10:08 PM
in Workplace 2014 Election Number 2, Aug 12 at 17:23, by Matt Giltaji
@IanHolstead As you mentioned, it is a strong campaign point for myself and some other nominees. If elected, you will see more [closed by <diamond mod>] with my name on it, because I will take my election to be an endorsement of close early, close often, and leave a friendly note from the community. If the community evolves and does not want that policy any more, I am open to changing it after debating on meta
 
@MattGiltaji yeah I think you got this part right. :) enderland had much better chances though, due to sheer experience...
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A: How can I overcome "years of experience" requirements when applying to positions?

Jarrod RobersonIn your question you say they ask for 3 - 7 years of experience Then you go on and on about skill, and how much better you are than more experience members of your current peers. 5+ years in the industry would tell you from experience that this is not logically a valid argument. And it wou...

 
10:26 PM
@gnat enderland is a much better candidate
but now I know where to prep for the next election :D
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@MattGiltaji That's for sure. "Judgement only comes with experience" -- you acquired experience to improve your judgement
 
@Shog9 I received an email from do-not-reply@se.com, but it has a broken link... how should I go about gettingthat fixed?
nvm, figured it out with magic
 
10:53 PM
Congratulations to enderland and thank you to all the participants in the election. Thank you for picking up where I am being negligent. It's almost as if I changed jobs or something.
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@jmac I know, from part-time SE employee to FT ;)
 
@jmac you set a very high bar for @enderland to meet. Lucky for TWP, I think he can make it.
 
@MattGiltaji I do like bars...
 
@jmac so vacation is over now?
 
I am back at work @Matt. I would rather be in Bali, but apparently slow net kind of kills the ability to do the job.
That and the lack of a proper computer.
 
10:56 PM
#firstworldproblems
 
how are the new powers?
 
@MattGiltaji In all seriousness, @enderland had no competition in this election. But if you want serious consideration next time, be active on Meta! We need to know where you stand on things. You're relatively new here.
 
in The Whiteboard, 11 mins ago, by enderland
oh hey cool I could delete messages in chat now if I want. #bannedafter5min ???

;)
 
@MattGiltaji It's been months and I still don't know all the mod powers. So many menus labeled "purge" "destroy" and "baleet".
 
@JimG. I fully agree. Our meta has been a little slow recently.
I mean there was one user with a lot of complaints about serial downvoters
 
11:08 PM
among other complaints, lol
 
@enderland yeah, I loved the fact that the most recent rant was closed as a dupe of a rant from the same user on the same topic a few months before
 
Yeah, meh, haters gonna hate I guess
 
speaking of which, time to necro some pre-election meta threads!
 
I wish there was a way to bounty questinos on meta
I almost never sort by "active" anywhere
 
@MattGiltaji Please comment/improve/something the help center thread.
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Q: Proposed change to the on-topic section of the Help Center

jmacAs discussed in this meta post, with the changes to the close reasons we should really look in to updating the help center to match how we close questions. Below is the current markup for the current article. If you have suggestions on how to change it, please feel free to add an answer or edit ...

 
11:26 PM
@jmac I thought we revised that already, let me read more context
in the meantime, bump
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Q: software-industry tag discussion

Ian HolsteadThe other day jmac and I were chatting and he raised the opinion that the software-industry was a terrible tag and he makes some good points. If someone works for twitter in HR are they in the software-industry? I currently work for an insurance company as a programmer, do I work in the softwar...

 
or this one!
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Q: Questions about creating a new tag

Ian HolsteadI was looking at the new questions when I noticed this question which had three tags including elevator and lift which seemed to be proposed by the person who asked the question. Since these did not seem like helpful tags I retagged the questions and removed the offending tags. I then went to loo...

because, you know, it never got answered...
@enderland I know!!
I actually need to create some new meta posts, I have questions!
 
@IanHolstead That has been answered.
 
@jmac Yay! thanks :)
 
@jmac Commented on your post. Can't suggest edits with Meta, and I am hesitant to post an answer that is 99% of what you said with a little twist
 
@MattGiltaji You can't suggest edits on meta, really?
 
11:40 PM
@jmac there is no suggested edits review queue
 
@MattGiltaji It's a community wiki now. Edit away!
 
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A: no 'edit' option for Q&A at Programmers meta

Anna LearThis is status-bydesign. Suggested edits are disabled on meta sites, so you will need to have 2,000 reputation before you will see the edit link on other people's posts. The only exception is Meta Stack Exchange which functions as a meta for all Stack Exchange sites and has its own reputation poo...

 
@gnat, I believe you are a living encyclopedia of SE. it is awesome.
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i just saw this :(
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A: Can we have the ability to flag for reopening?

Shog9This idea has an immediate appeal to those of us who appreciate symmetry. However, I strongly suspect this would be an extremely impractical flag to add... See, closing and re-opening aren't exactly equal. Most notably, closing requires you to specify a reason - reopening does not. This cuts bot...

need moar reps
 
Editing a post gets it tossed in the review queue, mind.
 
11:44 PM
@jmac or robotic, I'm not totally convinced ;)
 
@enderland Robots are people too!
 
@jmac yeah, but sometimes i see that a salvaging edit has been done
 
@jmac which is why edits need to be meaningful, it always drove me nuts to see questions in a reopen queue when there were minimal edits
 
(not by me)
and I wanted to throw my support behind it, but had no way to do so
 
Somewhat random question: Can you offer rep for meta related activities? Like if someone has a really good answer on meta can you reward them?
 
11:45 PM
Show your support by getting 3k rep @Matt!
@Ian, nope.
 
@jmac le sigh
 
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A: Lots of questions in the reopen queue

Shog9We just rolled out a change to how questions are automatically added to the reopen queue. Previously, if the author edited a closed post within 5 days of it being closed, that would trigger it to be added to the queue. This was a great way to get additional views for questions that might've been ...

 
@jmac I know there are no bounties, but is it against the rules to like find a really good answer they had and throw rep at that?
 
I need more good questions that don't have better answers by our star answers, lol
 
@IanHolstead Is the answer good? Bounty-worthy? Then go ahead and toss a bounty on it. We don't know if that's for meta or not.
 
11:48 PM
a closed question will automatically be added to the reopen queue when it is...

...Edited (body edits only) within 5 days of closure by the author. Or,
...Edited (body edits only) within 5 days of closure by a 3rd-party, provided the editor has not also flagged the question or voted to close it. Or,
...Sufficiently popular, where popularity is calculated based on question score, top answer score, or views per month. We're still tweaking the exact thresholds for these.

As always, a reopen vote will add a question to the reopen queue if it isn't already in the queue.
 
(I may, possibly, in a past life, have given @gnat a bounty because he would be far happier with close vote privileges here)
 
@jmac ... What if you tell the world that its for meta related?
(I know I'm looking at it in a way other then the system was designed, I just have some curious ideas I doubt would work)
 
Let me find a related feature-request for you. I will do my best to channel @gnat.
 
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A: How can we motivate employees to complete IT certificates?

gnat motivate employees... to make certificates in their free time because they are on projects Above is a huge red flag, don't do this. If it's really in company interests ("so we can say we have highly qualified employees"), don't cheat about personal improvement. What serves the company, shou...

 
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Q: Awarding a bounty to an editor

GillesBounties are always awarded to the original author of an answer. Occasionally, it would be nice to be able to award a bounty to someone who contributed an important part of the puzzle. An example I have in mind is a “reference” question, typically community wiki, on a common topic, where the goa...

 
11:50 PM
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A: How can I acknowledge, thank, or otherwise approve of an edit?

gnatPay it forward... ...Memorize the way how your post has been improved and when you see another one that could be edited that way, just do it. As someone regularly doing edits like you mention (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...) I would say above is exactly what would make me happy.

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A: Official reference for “don't leave ‘thank you’ comments”

Robert Harveyhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/how-to-answer Pay it forward Saying “thanks” is appreciated, but it doesn’t answer the question. Instead, vote up the answers that helped you the most! If these answers were helpful to you, please consider saying thank you in a more constructive w...

 
@IanHolstead At the end of the day, rep is rep. But awarding rep on an answer because of a good meta post, and stating as much, will probably confuse folks more than just making them happy with a bounty.
 
I'm thinking total abuse of the system here (just theoretically of course) like offering a reward for a meta related activity
 
@IanHolstead If you can't find an existing feature-request, feel free to make your own!
 
Bounties kinda let you do that right now, though
 
@enderland you cant have meta bounties though
@jmac I might have to!
 
11:56 PM
@IanHolstead no but you can bounty questions on the main site
 
@enderland Right, so my earlier question was whether you could bounty on someone's question for a totally unrelated reason
 
@IanHolstead sure, why not? I don't see a reason why not
 
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Q: Bounty-like feature on metas

QuincunxSometimes on a site's meta, I want to draw more attention to a question that has been sitting in the dark. Usually when this happens, I am even willing to offer my reputation as a bounty. But metas don't allow for bounties. On main sites, we have a bounty feature to allow users to draw extra att...

 
I think @jmac did that a few times for jcmeloni to transfer rep to get her closer to 20k (ok maybe I'm reading into what he was doing a fair bit lol)
 
@enderland Nope, I did it because that is the most viewed Q&A on TWP, by far. Almost 200,000 views since it was asked. And that has helped a lot of people, and jc totally deserves the rep for it.
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11:59 PM
for a purely theoretical example what if you had for example a meta-related contest (like a drawing contest) and wanted to reward the winner?
 

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