Minecraft Talk

@KevinvanderVelden I even have a working mod prototype (for 1.8.x) which adds new fluids just by specifying them in a config file. No coding (any more) necessary. Dumb blocks are even easier.

Ieuan

@Pip he might not be 100% incompetent and unable to live grownup life but he sure isn't a good programmer lol

Pip

lol

Ieuan

He was one of the leads on Bukkit and look at what a piece of shit that was, he joined Minecraft and look what a bunch of crap all the stuff he did is

Kevin van der Velden

1:32 PM

It's being build again! One block over

user43095

1:54 PM

@KevinvanderVelden Is there supposed to be a space between sdaX and bindir?

Kevin van der Velden

@JeffreyLin yes

sdaX is a file

user43095

And why do you need the bindir?

Kevin van der Velden

You mount sdax to that

The drive has several folders in it which you rebind

user43095

Oh okay I was missing the part where you mount the two together. Thanks.

Martin Sojka

@JeffreyLin You can sometimes re-use the existing hierarchy. For example, my /home is actually /var/home ... and it looks like this in the /etc/fstab:

/dev/md1 /var ext3 nosuid 1 2
/var/home /home none bind 0 0

user43095

1:58 PM

Why though?

Kevin van der Velden

I've been using to much python, I just tried to write a python style ternary function in C#

@JeffreyLin you define things like nosuid, noexec etc at the filesystemlevel, not at binds

At least, I don't think you can

Pip

@KevinvanderVelden you can kind of

Kevin van der Velden

@Pip I tried "-1" if bla else bla

That is not at all the syntax

Pip

lol

Kevin van der Velden

It's bla1 ? "-1" : bla2

Pip

2:00 PM

You can do that in ruby as well

You can even do foo unless bar in ruby as well

Wrong chat for that :P

Kevin van der Velden

Neither of those are C# though

Naah it's fine

Raise your hand if you're a programmer! CC @Unionhawk @MartinSojka @Jochem @Ieuan @Arperum

Pip

Whoo!

Kevin van der Velden

Oh and @TimStone, the only person here who (to my knowledge) is not a programmer is @JeffreyLin

Martin Sojka

@JeffreyLin To consolidate different types of file system parts together, instead of making one partition per / subdirectory. User directories need to be nosuid, as should be anything in /var (which includes web sites, for example), but still need to be able to house executable files. Temporary directories (/tmp, /var/tmp) need to be noexec, nosuid. The main system (/usr, /bin, /lib, ...) needs to be read-only unless I'm updating the system.

Jochem

woo programming \o/

Martin Sojka

2:04 PM

@KevinvanderVelden ,o/

user43095

@KevinvanderVelden I can do some Python and some bash o\

Kevin van der Velden

Yay!

No non-programmers allowed apparently =p

Arperum

raises hand

user43095

Does nosuid mean you can't sudo root in that directory?

Martin Sojka

No ... nosuid Do not allow set-user-identifier or set-group-identifier
bits to take effect. (This seems safe, but is in fact
rather unsafe if you have suidperl(1) installed.)

In other words, RTFManpage.

user43095

2:09 PM

@MartinSojka I did, but those words are too big :(

Martin Sojka

If you don't know what those bits do: The one to watch for the most is the "set-user-identifier" one, and if it's set on an executable file and you run it, the file is run as user "root" instead of yours.

user43095

Couldn't the group one also be dangerous because it runs in a group that has root privileges?

Kevin van der Velden

Groups don't have root privileges, root has root privileges =p

user43095

Groups have sudo privileges then?

Kevin van der Velden

Yes, because sudo can check if you're in a specific group

Martin Sojka

2:16 PM

@JeffreyLin That one does something slightly less threatening. :) Check the Wikipedia article for details, they do different stuff depending on if it's a file or directory.

There is a "root" group, but few if anything checks for it when deciding if some action should be allowed or not. Still better to not just hand it our freely.

John

2:58 PM

Do you consider if a chea if I rapidly shut down the computer when I died? Well not under any circumstances,but in this one: I was followed by Zombie Pigmen in the Nether and some teleported to the Overworld. When I teleported too,the game was very laggy and the killed me. I've done many things in that game,I don't want to get killed,and if it was a cheat,I can't live too easily with this.

Unionhawk

Meh, PvE combat logging is fair game as far as I'm concerned

PvP combat logging is typically considered cheating

Kevin van der Velden

It's a singleplayer sadnbox, do as you wish

Unionhawk

And yeah, you make the rules

THERE ARE NO RULES

Jochem

@John if you think it's a cheat, it's a cheat. If you don't think it's a cheat, it isn't. It's not up to us to decide.

user43095

Ask @Ieuan if he thinks it's a cheat.

Jochem

3:03 PM

that being said, for myself, I don't consider correcting for bugs or glitches to be cheating

@JeffreyLin @Ieuan is the definition of a cheat

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user43095

@Jochem That was my point.

Jochem

if you google "define cheat", his webcam turns on I think

Martin Sojka

@Jochem Pretty much my stance on games like Oblivion too. I wield the power of the developer console and I'm not afraid to use it!

Unionhawk

@MartinSojka Yup! Same with skyrim

I remember one time Lydia was fighting my allies so I spent a while trying to put them on the same page

"NONONONONO resetai add to faction resetai"

Kevin van der Velden

I just hardly ever used companions

Unionhawk

3:08 PM

Yeah

Kevin van der Velden

I did occasionally miss not having a mule though

Unionhawk

I stopped after that incident. I was like "Lydia, you are banished to my house"

@KevinvanderVelden I just installed a mod that essentially let me keep a pack mule in my pocket. I was abusing the "here Lydia pick this up" thing anyway might as well expidite that process

Martin Sojka

4:00 PM

@KevinvanderVelden What is this "mule" thing you're talking about? Do you mean a guar?

Kevin van der Velden

No?

(Yes I know what a guar is =p)

(In TES, but this is more fun)

Unionhawk

@KevinvanderVelden I keep forgetting IE doesn't have reverse image search built in

Kevin van der Velden

This isn't supposed to happen:

That's water btw, or it's supposed to be

Unionhawk

Is it actually water?

Kevin van der Velden

Yes

"Tank (Water)"

Unionhawk

4:05 PM

BUT IS IT ACTUALLY WATER

DID YOU STICK A BUCKET IN IT AND PULL OUT WATER

Kevin van der Velden

Yes

Pip

@KevinvanderVelden what modpack is that?

Kevin van der Velden

I also took a bucket and filled it in the first place

@Pip the custom one, Echoreply. See the topic :)

Pip

Ah I see

I'm currently playing Agrarian Skies 2 with my bro. Pretty fun

I like Skyblock maps

Ieuan

@Jochem Oi that's not nice

I'm not always cheating, just.. usually working my way around rules

Jochem

4:11 PM

:D

Pip

5:00 PM

@KevinvanderVelden any idea how to put a bucket of liquid back into a smeltery from Tinker's Construct?

Unionhawk

You can use the drains as an input/output with a pipe, so you can put it in a tank and direct a pipe (that can handle hot fluids if applicable) into a smeltery drain

Pip

ah cool

thanks

user43095

There's also the channel thing that nobody uses.

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin channel thing?

Unionhawk

I don't know quite how that works but yes it exists

I think it... evenly distributes fluid among several casting basins, as a use case?

Ieuan

5:04 PM

Are those the pipe things?

user43095

@Ieuan you slacker is T1.2 deployed get?

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin Is it weekend yet? >:(

Pip

I'm a huge fan of transfer nodes. Using those instead of buildcraft pipes or thermal expansion stuff

user43095

@Ieuan You said "tonight" like three days ago lol

Unionhawk

Well now he's saying "weekend"

Pip

5:05 PM

except for the power ducts, those are way expensive using transfer nodes

user43095

@Pip That's pretty much what everyone does.

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin check if anything needs to be reupdated again since three days ago (or whenever you did)

user43095

@Ieuan Botania is guaranteed to have updates.

Ieuan

I have time tonight my time (in like 2-3 hours)

Unionhawk

@JeffreyLin thermal dynamics is quite good

Ieuan

5:05 PM

@JeffreyLin botania always has updates

We should have a way to automatically update botania on server and client lol

user43095

There is. You press the button as OP and reboot server.

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin What about clients though

user43095

Single player with cheats.

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin yeah that still leaves clients for manual update then

Unionhawk

You'd need to deploy it to a pack still because I have a feeling the technic launcher would be like "wait this isn't the pack what are you doing update"

Ieuan

5:07 PM

@Unionhawk It doesn't check until new update

Unionhawk

Ah

I see

user43095

@Unionhawk No, it won't do that unless you ask it to or new version altogether.

user43095

I like Technic much more than FTB now.

user43095

The md5 sum is absolutely the correct way to do it.

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin It's just solder that's amazing really

The way it used to work with zips made technic unusable

And updating takes a while regardless

user43095

5:09 PM

Now if they would just make the zipping and stuff easier.

Pip

I'm personally using Curse Voice for my modpacks right now... because Agrarian Skies 2 :P

user43095

Is there even a way to script that?

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin Yeah you can zip from dir with like any programming language

I had a PHP script that allowed pretty much what solder does for us now but with the old zip format

user43095

I know you can, it's just a pain with the slugs and stuff

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin Well basically, the json api is available on the solder server too

So could just grab all the mods from that and then build a new zip for each

or for new ones or w/e

user43095

5:11 PM

Doable

Ieuan

But even a script where you just have a certain mod file and you can do zipmod targetname.zip sourcefile.jar/zip and it makes a zip with the specified file in a mods folder and the chosen name would be nice

user43095

Something something Travis

Pip

Travis CI?

user43095

@Pip Last time I did that it kept building.

user43095

Of course I now realize that all I had to do was add something that checked to see if the last commit message wasn't "xyz" and build.

Ieuan

5:14 PM

@JeffreyLin work with @Unionhawk to find something that works. You can do the boring testing and @Unionhawk can make sure you don't blow up our planet

Kevin van der Velden

Unionhawk

Dear. God.

Ieuan

@KevinvanderVelden Where did you move your place o_o?

Kevin van der Velden

Voidworld

Ieuan

Next to @Jochem?

Kevin van der Velden

5:16 PM

Yeah

That's his planet in the background

Ieuan

RIP his base TPS

Unionhawk

(TPS is server-wide not local you fool)

Kevin van der Velden

Yes

user43095

@Ieuan LOL

user43095

@Ieuan So basically he does nothing.

Kevin van der Velden

5:16 PM

It's not even per dimension

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin He tracks your movements

user43095

Not creepy at all.

Kevin van der Velden

Uhm

I'm gonna need more ethereal blooms

I have 4. They are not enough

Ieuan

@Unionhawk Yeah but hard to unload one person's base while keeping another loaded when they're in the same area

@KevinvanderVelden what are they made of?

Kevin van der Velden

Shimmer leaf + some aspects

Fortunately I have bees so I have plenty of shimmerleaf

Ieuan

5:17 PM

@KevinvanderVelden So you can just put a stack of shimmerleaf in your auto crucible

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah that's the plan

Well, once I've set it up again

Unionhawk

@Ieuan I mean, I typically run under the assumption that bases are loaded anyway, so

Ieuan

@Unionhawk Yeah that's true

user43095

Pfffff, those are for nubs that don't like taint.

Ieuan

Nobody feels like manually loading their base

Unionhawk

5:20 PM

Besides, I'm pretty sure your chunk of capacitors had more of a TPS hit than anything @KevinvanderVelden is doing

Kevin van der Velden

Overall: 20.00 TPS/41.18MS

Ieuan

@Unionhawk My FPS was better than his though

Even if that chunk of capacitors wasn't optimal

Capacitor banks really aren't that bad until you try to add/remove a capacitor lol

Unionhawk

I think suboptimal is an understatement

Kevin van der Velden

Oooh, the 4 blooms are sufficient I think, they just sometimes take a bit to catch up

user43095

@Ieuan It's even okay when you remove one. Remove 64 though? Welcome to lagtown. Population: Mr. Lags

Unionhawk

5:22 PM

Population: @JeffreyLin (ftfy)

user43095

Did you get the rest of the capicators though?

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin well anytime you make it think it changed it rechecks all of them

Kevin van der Velden

It is POWERING UP! cackles maniacally

Ieuan

And rechecking then rebalancing 15k capacitor banks isn't the least laggy thing

Kevin van der Velden

Also, it is recommended not to wear goggles of revealing at the top of the magic tower

THE GOGGLES. THEY DO STUFF AND IT HURTS

... wait, activated nodes are always visible? Crap

Unionhawk

5:25 PM

hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

gg

Kevin van der Velden

44 ignis, 48 ordo, 43 perditio, 58 terra, 58 aqua, 44 aer

user43095

That's it?

Kevin van der Velden

It's the square root of the value

Unionhawk

Energized 44

user43095

What

user43095

5:25 PM

Nobody told me that

Kevin van der Velden

Well that's not my fault

Unionhawk

That's not a capacity that's like a rate

44 is nuts

user43095

@Ieuan Ours needs to be at least 2500 of each aspect.

user43095

@Unionhawk Vis or centi?

Kevin van der Velden

That's the terra/aqua bits

@JeffreyLin centi of course

Ieuan

5:26 PM

@JeffreyLin worldedit?

Kevin van der Velden

@Ieuan No cheating

user43095

@Ieuan Nah, we gotta do it the fun way.

user43095

Make a quarry spell like me and we'll go crazy.

Unionhawk

-cheating

Kevin van der Velden

@JeffreyLin if you want 44 vis, or 44000 centivis it is 1936000000 aspects

That's just not gonna happen

user43095

5:27 PM

Only 2 billion?

user43095

We'll just feed it capicators.

Ieuan

What actually would happen if you dropped a jar with a node with 10k of each aspect into a hungry node?

user43095

Nothing.

user43095

The jar itself has no aspects.

user43095

Or maybe it does. Not 10k though.

Unionhawk

5:29 PM

/ban Ieuan Cheating

user43095

You're better off merging it after un-hungrying it.

Kevin van der Velden

@Ieuan you loose a very expensive node

user43095

Alright, so I have 60 GB of stuff. It can't be compressed and I would like to keep it

user43095

What do

Kevin van der Velden

Dance!

user43095

5:31 PM

Uh

user43095

My Google Drive for Education has unlimited storage.

user43095

Wonder if I'd be banned if the sysadmin found out.

user43095

@Ieuan ideas?

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin ???

user43095

Where do I put my stuffs.

Unionhawk

5:35 PM

4 mins ago, by Kevin van der Velden

Dance!

user43095

@KevinvanderVelden What if I only want a 1 vis node?

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin external HDD?

Good luck syncing google drive within a couple days time

user43095

@Ieuan Probably best bet.

Kevin van der Velden

@JeffreyLin 100^2=100*100=10000

user43095

@KevinvanderVelden That's doable.

Unionhawk

5:38 PM

@KevinvanderVelden Wait, where is this factor of 100 coming in?

Did hungry nodes get a nerf?

user43095

@Unionhawk Yes

Kevin van der Velden

No, it's always been sqrt( aspect ) = centivis

He wants 1 vis, which is 100 centivis

user43095

New goal is at least 10000

Unionhawk

I'm utterly confused

user43095

5:51 PM

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user43095

@Ieuan Want a T-shirt?

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin Sure

user43095

@Ieuan Have fun

Ieuan

@JeffreyLin they probbably want you to email them though

Kevin van der Velden

6:08 PM

So, I have 58 crucibles

user43095