I still read "CET" as "correct earth time" thanks badp

@Unionhawk it is correct earth time

@JeffreyLin yes

Well, I have to do some fumbling around to get the FTB server up, a tiny bit different than just forge

(it's actually central european time, and nobody uses UTC+1 as a central location)

@TimPost well, you could just download the modpack and the configs from the FTB launcher

It is just a launcher for a regular forge modpack

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, I have those. I just have to play with it a bit.

@JeffreyLin webpollgenerator.com/ViewResults.php?p=5454b1de7f98c

Utilities3 hasn't been touched in 7 months. Hope he picks it back up

Anyone hate telepads?

They're quite buggy and badly coded

Ooh, anyone in favor of something evil like infernal mobs?

@KevinvanderVelden as long as there's no ogres :)

Please no infernal mobs. There's some additional mobs already brought in by others

I just want a teleportation mechanic that isn't linkbooks

@JeffreyLin yep

also, RE: telepads, I won't miss it if it's not there, no objections to having it in

@TimPost why no linkbooks? If you've got an objection to the crafting mechanic of the linkpanels, we can just plomp a link modifier in a central location, and you can make following interlinking books without any problems

or cost, other than the plain link panel

I'm not saying I hate linkbooks, I just like the convenience of being able to plop down a telepad and being able to access any pad from any other is all :)

@TimPost ah ok :)

Set up a quarry 1k meters away, plop down a telepad, be able to check on it easily and just pick up the pad when I'm done with the quarry and such.

Those are a bit of a pain, though I do love the staff of traveling. I use those on large farms and such, not really base-to-base transportation

@TimPost infernal mobs just makes the existing ones harder sometimes, diablo esque powerups

Doesn't it add about a dozen mobs? Cyclops, Sphinx .. etc?

No that's another mod

Uuuh, this one: minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/…

I'm talking about this one: minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/…

Yeah it's very evil

I'm good with that

Yeah, no. Though a way to get bane of pigs would be cool... no.

There's a lot of key binding conflicts in this modpack as well. Gotta sort that out now just to get morph to work

also, that would be beyond overpowered

Like there's overpowered and then there's maxInt overpowered

Eeh, they're also really hard to kill

True, but maxInt.

Bane Of Pigs made sense when you had crazy dungeons like in the unstable ant dimension. Not sure that they're ... needed ... these days with what's in the pack.

What's bane of pigs?

@KevinvanderVelden It's a frying pan with maxInt damage.

hexxit.wikia.com/wiki/Bane_of_Pigs

Yes.

Wut O.o

Oke then

Yes.

And yes I mean maxInt as in "hit ender dragon once win game"

I see

If we're going to have infernal mobs, let's turn 'hostile' on in morph.

This allows you to inherit being 'hostile' for some mobs, causing most of the others to not attack you unless you attack them, they really think you're a mob

My only gripe with infernal mobs is frustrating early-game play, and that would cure it - get one normal zombie or skeleton and you can slink around pretty safely while you get early game resources.

I love how this is an "if we have infernal mobs" situation like this is actually a plan and I'm just like

I believe endermen, witches, and a few others won't be fooled. But you can pretty much survive your first 2 caves easy enough without dealing with super mobs I think. Have to test that.

All in favor of getting your asses kicked hard early game in exchange for much better mob drops say ouch.

ouch

No no, only 2 people have voted

What do you say if you don't want that?

I'm thinking the nope @uni linked

Also I brought it up so I'm for-ish

I am terrified by the prospect

Having played infernal mobs in Agrarian Skies, I am strongly against including it.

Let's wait till more people have voted, not everyone is on chat 24/7

=p

No, the nether is normal but evil

I think that breaks in this pack. I have to check.

Can someone also please test extra cells and see if it works as expected? It's had some really weird bugs in the last 3 releases.

That's what I do. Since dimensional transceivers are in, it's easy enough to pipe them to other dimensions / ages simple enough - no real need for a quantum ring to handle it

Yeah, extra cells is a disappointing mod.

It seems cool until you use it and then you find out that it's actually... not... great

I like the idea of partitioned fluid storage because it conceivably makes transporting large quantities of fluids really simple, especially with the ginormous drives that it adds to the game. But the mod itself has a bit of a temper, I have yet to get it working quite right.

And have lost lots of resources on said ginormous drives.

It'd be cool if it's mostly working now, because AE2 auto crafting and all

Like I said, it seems cool to have liquid autocrafting until you realize there aren't many recipes that use it.

Well, creosote bottles and such, or anything that needs a lava bucket, but yeah - about .. I don't know ... 6 recipes in the whole pack?

Mostly IC2 and Railcraft

I've missed hats, and killing things that I in no way need to mess with just because I want the hat.

That's a vanilla extreme hills biome. Can anyone tell me what's missing?

There are almost no surface ores except amber. Most vanilla ores are actually kind of hard to find. Could just be my worldgen

Not sure. You usually see at least one piece of coal on the surface, not in this pack, and I really looked around

Gold is insanely easy to find at around level 15. Lapis everywhere. Iron / Diamonds - good luck :)

Silver, rubys, ferrous ore, sulfur - practically everywhere.

I'm for infernal mobs (especially if we can "cheat" with morph), but against Gregtech

Also redstone. It took me over two hours right next to lava to find two blocks of redstone ore

@TimPost I noticed a similar pattern in DW20's episode 1, though that was only about 10 minutes of actual mining

I'd guess there's a setup that redistributes ores... best way to test would be to mine out a couple of chunks with a quarry (speed II silk-touch enderquarry if you're cheating anyway ;)) and see what you get

the worldgen in your pack favored copper to a ridiculous degree, for some odd reason

probably the ore mod + regular generation or something

@Jochem Probably because it's anticipating several mods that use it to be installed 'eventually' - it's a bit of a math bug there. In this pack, copper is still relatively easy to come by, you just kind of trip on it at any level below 30

So it was generating copper for about 6 - 7 mods that have copper.

Only other thing I want is more food options.

Pam's Harvestcraft is in dw20 right?

No because then I'd actually buckle down and really get into Java and write a bane of chickens mod.

@Jochem Surprisingly, no. I think it had some weird conflicts

that's too bad :/

@JeffreyLin It needs to be balanced with the theme of the pack. The DW20 pack is a mostly technical pack, where people want to play with machines, reactors, advanced redstone stuff and the like. In packs like that, it makes sense to let people spend less time mining, and more time playing, since they presumably know how to play Minecraft and just want to dabble in building and automating things.

Where a more combat / quest driven pack should definitely have sparser ore generation.

@JeffreyLin No, not at all. I like to build in survival. A creative world is "I hate mining and doing work" not to be confused with "Ah, nice, I was able to get enough stuff in 2 hours to build a few machines"

Ore generation isn't that difficult to control.

I'm not at all complaining, so far I really like this pack .. but 2 hours looking for redstone across 10 chunks is crazy.

Q: Does it have veinminer?

@JeffreyLin strip. 2x2, starting at around y = 8 and going up from there. I find plenty of mod ores, but the vanilla stuff is really scarce.

@KevinvanderVelden nope

@TimPost Aaaah =[

Can we add that instead of treecapacitator or whatever it's called?

@JeffreyLin Yeah, I was really surprised, usually you can't help but trip over the stuff looking for diamonds, which are equally difficult to find. I'm going to try a new seed tomorrow to see if I just got really unlucky.

@KevinvanderVelden Do they need to be mutually exclusive?

@TimPost well, they're a bit redundant together but

Sure, why not

TCon has lumber axes...

for trees

Yeah, but then you need to carry one of those around

Put it in a bag

Problem solved

I mostly like veinminer for well, veins of ores

@KevinvanderVelden What about ME cables? :P

@Unionhawk I didn't even have to click the link to know what that was about =p

Well, I need to do some general housekeeping on the server anyway, so the first ~2 days will be a trial of seeing what works with extra mods in the pack while I take care of a laundry list of love I need to give to the OS

Did you see yesterdays stream? So much deaths :D

The link is mainly there to give context to... everything

For those of you who don't know

"And, ... we no longer have an AE system." - That's nice, I like it.

That was minimal pain, imagine a fully stacked run of Ender IO conduits :)

You've got a bunch of redstone channels, a bunch of in / out item channels, power channels and some fluid stuff going on and then all of a sudden uh oh

Of course, leave it to Soaryn to use a frigging pickaxe

Well, he thought that was already disconnected

And wanted to remove the whole thing

If I ever make anything even remotely resembling the user experience of twitch, all of you have my permission to kick me in the nuts.

Fancy chart

Finding iron - great. Mining diamonds - awesome. Killing a creeper by slapping its exothermic ass upside the face with a frying pan - priceless.

(Just tested the bane of pigs, want!)

@TimPost well good luck, it's a rare drop from infernal creeps, which have 11 times base hp* and 11 powerups =p

@JeffreyLin I rather appreciate that, thought my desktop might be a but busier than your desktop. When I sneak in some lunch time play, I usually have 5 chrome windows with at least 80 tabs each, three editors, a dozen other things I can't close until I've done something and then there's the usual stuff.

What is that black stuff?

No, it gives you really bad buffs

Weakness, wither and nausea

WAILA says it's dirt

@TimPost Your waila is probably configured to ignore liquids, that's the default setting. there is some menu/button to make it stop ignoring liquids.

It's sludge.

Ah yes, this is what I'm filling your base with when I notice zombie pigmen running around because you forgot to protect your nether portal.

@Arperum I kinda want it to do that, because most of the time I'm trying to figure out what's being obfuscated by water.

@TimPost I'm pretty sure there is a hotkey to swap betwee nthe two modes, but it's been a while.

The hotkeys in this pack are a mess, quite a few conflicts by default, I'm sorting that out now.

hoitkeys are always a mess in modded minecraft. and having an azerty keyboard doesn't help at all.

@TimPost ouch!

the waila keys are on the numpad

@TimPost There is also the thing where pigmen with the ghastly affix don't care if they are neutral/hating you. They launch fireballs either case.

@JeffreyLin It's still early, and most folks don't mind sorting it out on their end in a public beta.

Yeah, it just debuted yesterday-ish

oh yeah, need to test some of the thaumcraft bugs with BC. I'll do that tomorrow, they're kind of hard to discover

@JeffreyLin no, hats are required

Not having hats kills you on spawn

yep

iChunUtil is required for all IChun mods

And deleting hats is a pretty bad idea

Because it's hats!

Also other mods depend on it

like hatstands

Well sure

If you don't want to play on the server

@JeffreyLin you'll have to simply test it out once the server's up

Either you can't join or you get weird desyncs from the server

Deleting a mod in SSP is trivial, deleting it in SMP is not

@JeffreyLin You know you can disable/enable mods through the launcher? the edit modpack thing.

@JeffreyLin And evern if there wasn't, just adding .disabled to the unwanted mods should work too, thats actually what that disable/enable modpack does

@JeffreyLin the hatstand mod will be required to play on the server, as it adds a new item that can be placed in the world.

Also: why are you trying to murder mods?

@JeffreyLin Don't know.

murder as in remove from the pack.

But since the hatstands require the hats mod, you'll need to keep that one too.

disabling is basically removing them. exactly the same result.

insert curses some hidden thing uses the "c" key and it bindings are not in the regular keybinding menu.

I want my inventory on "c" dammit.

I am going to find the culprit that changes my keybind. starts disabling mods

culprit start with "m" or later letter in the afphabet. for science.

STUPID CRASHES.

It's a mod starting with a "t" stupid crashes make this take way longer then it should.

translocators is the culprit. Damn you chicken bones!

bah, stupid hardcoded keybinds. if your keybind refuses to give the key back to whatever else would use the key, you are a terrible person.

I refuse to play until this terrible problem gets fixed.

and no, changing it in the settings doesn't work.

no wait, I just can't find the damn keybind in the settings.

@JeffreyLin I personally want my inventory on "c", I've been playing minecraft like that for a long time now.

refused. "c" is my inventory key in all my games, it's a habit of using that one.

@JeffreyLin I just want to change the goddamn keybind.

@JeffreyLin And that is not going to result in incompatibilities at all

@JeffreyLin the crafting grid, the thing that is causing me all the grief.

also: fancy looking stuff?

So did I, but something goes wrong.