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2:18 AM
@FaheemMitha I donno, if we make it two (well, in any reasonable shape), we've clearly figure out how to solve global-scale problems. So two would seem to mean much longer. Maybe we'll have found bigger problems by then, I don't know.
Hmmm. Reviewing my "revisions" history has convinced me that I either don't know about or don't care about it's. Silly apostrophe. Too much typing! Not like it's creat or something :-P
 
 
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7:54 AM
@derobert Well, 2 centuries from now is pretty long, that is true. I've heard plausible predictions that India is going to turn into a dustbowl by the end of the 21st century for example. And from more than one source.
2 centuries from now is Star Trek territory. But one thing we can be sure of is that the future won't look anything like Star Trek.
We seem to get such questions regularly, and instead of closing as dupes, people answer it!
If people agree this is a dupe, ping me here, and I'll vtc.
And this one too:
The latter one seems to be pretty clearly a dupe, so I did a VTC. That one is
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Q: How do I know which version of Debian I'm running?

IQAndreasIn a tutorial, I'm prompted "If you are running Squeeze, follow these instructions..." and "If you are running Wheezy, follow these other instructions..." When I run uname, I get the following information: Linux dragon-debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux Is tha...

 
 
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10:02 AM
@FaheemMitha hello
thanks a lot for your help
 
@WaitingforDev... hi.
Was it you with the apt question?
 
yeah, it's me
I'm quite stuck with it :)
 
@WaitingforDev... Ok. let me pull it up.
Actually, post a link, please.
 
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Q: Can't use apt because python encoding issue

cram1010I'm getting a python unicode error every time I try to install or update anything with apt or aptitude, preventing me to update my system. The error I'm getting is the following: File "/usr/bin/py3clean", line 4 SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2' in file /usr/bin/py3clean on line 4, but no...

 
Ok, so let's start with dpkg -C.
Paste the output in here.
 
10:05 AM
first time using this chat... is there any way to make what I paste look nice (like code) ?
 
@WaitingforDev... Possibly, but don't worry about it.
 
oks
The following packages are in a mess due to serious problems during
installation. They must be reinstalled for them (and any packages
that depend on them) to function properly:
debconf Debian configuration management system
gnome-orca Scriptable screen reader

The following packages have been unpacked but not yet configured.
They must be configured using dpkg --configure or the configure
menu option in dselect for them to work:
locales GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]
 
What does dpkg --configure -a give?
Also, paste the output of apt-cache policy.
 
dpkg --configure -a -------->
dpkg: error processing package debconf (--configure):
package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should
reinstall it before attempting configuration
Setting up gnome-menus (3.13.3-6) ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/sbin/gnome-menus-blacklist", line 12, in <module>
with open(blacklist_file, 'r', encoding='utf_8') as fp:
TypeError: 'encoding' is an invalid keyword argument for this function
dpkg: error processing package gnome-menus (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
apt-cache policy -------------->
Package files:
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
release a=now
500 http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable/non-free i386 Packages
release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web browser,c=non-free
origin deb.opera.com
500 http://toolbelt.heroku.com/ubuntu/ ./ Packages
release o=Heroku, Inc.,a=stable,c=
origin toolbelt.heroku.com
500 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main i386 Packages
release v=1.0,o=Google, Inc.,a=stable,n=stable,l=Google,c=main
origin dl.google.com
500 http://downloads.hipchat.com/linux/apt/ stable/main i386 Packages
 
apt-cache policy gnome-menus
 
10:12 AM
gnome-menus:
Installed: 3.13.3-6
Candidate: 3.13.3-6
Version table:
*** 3.13.3-6 0
500 http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 
Huh. Ok, apt-get install debconf.
 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
gnome-orca
Suggested packages:
debconf-doc debconf-utils libterm-readline-gnu-perl libnet-ldap-perl libqtgui4-perl libqtcore4-perl
The following packages will be upgraded:
debconf gnome-orca
2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 513 not upgraded.
4 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0 B/1,702 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,024 B of additional disk space will be used.
 
@WaitingforDev... I was possibly mistaken. Perhaps there is some problem with python.
 
dpkg -l | grep python
 
10:14 AM
but it seems there are problems with that packages
ii dh-python 1.20141111-2 all Debian helper tools for packaging Python libraries and applications
ii libpython-dev:i386 2.7.8-3 i386 header files and a static library for Python (default)
ii libpython-stdlib:i386 2.7.8-3 i386 interactive high-level object-oriented language (default python version)
ii libpython2.7:i386 2.7.8-11 i386 Shared Python runtime lib
`ii dh-python 1.20141111-2 all Debian helper tools for packaging Python libraries and applications
ii libpython-dev:i386 2.7.8-3 i386 header files and a static library for Python (default)
ii libpython-stdlib:i386 2.7.8-3 i386 interactive high-level object-oriented language (default python version)
ii libpython2.7:i386 2.7.8-11 i386 Shared Python runtime li
 
Ok, dpkg -l | grep locales
 
ii krb5-locales 1.12.1+dfsg-17 all Internationalization support for MIT Kerberos
iU locales 2.19-17 all GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]
ii locales-all 2.19-17 i386 GNU C Library: Precompiled locale data
ii python-apt-common 0.9.3.11 all Python interface to libapt-pkg (locales)
 
@WaitingforDev... ahah
apt-get install locales
 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
debconf gnome-orca
Suggested packages:
debconf-doc debconf-utils libterm-readline-gnu-perl libnet-ldap-perl libqtgui4-perl libqtcore4-perl
The following packages will be upgraded:
debconf gnome-orca locales
3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 512 not upgraded.
4 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0 B/5,626 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,024 B of additional disk space will be used.
 
@WaitingforDev... one sec. let me google this error.
 
10:19 AM
sure
 
apt-cache policy debconf locales gnome-orca
 
debconf:
Installed: 1.5.55
Candidate: 1.5.56
Version table:
1.5.56 0
500 http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
*** 1.5.55 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
locales:
Installed: 2.19-17
Candidate: 2.19-18
Version table:
2.19-18 0
500 http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
*** 2.19-17 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
gnome-orca:
Installed: 3.14.0-2
Candidate: 3.14.0-4
Version table:
3.14.0-4 0
500 http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
*** 3.14.0-2 0
 
Ok, nothing wrong there.
One suggestion was to remove /usr/share/python3/debpython/__pycache__
Do you have such a directory?
 
I removed it yesterday
and it didn't work...
 
@WaitingforDev... ah
This happened on a routine jessie upgrade? When?
And did you change anything about your python recently? Any locally installed packages?
 
10:26 AM
I'm not sure, maybe two months ago (I have been travelling between)
I remember I installed pyenv, but I removed it... maybe I broke something...
 
@WaitingforDev... Hmm. Check in /usr/local/lib. See if you have anything installed in the python directories.
Also try locate sitecustomize.py.
 
I have three directories, python2.6, python2.7 and python3.4
locate sitecustomize.py ------------>
/etc/python2.6/sitecustomize.py
/etc/python2.7/sitecustomize.py
/etc/python3.3/sitecustomize.py
/etc/python3.4/sitecustomize.py
/usr/lib/python2.6/sitecustomize.py
/usr/lib/python2.6/sitecustomize.pyc
/usr/lib/python2.7/sitecustomize.py
/usr/lib/python2.7/sitecustomize.pyc
/usr/lib/python3.4/sitecustomize.py
 
Also, what is the output of /usr/bin/python -c 'import sys; print(sys.getdefaultencoding())' for you?
I get ascii here on wheezy. Let me try my jessie chroot
 
@WaitingforDev... ok
What do you get for apt-get -s purge python3?
 
10:32 AM
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
debconf gir1.2-gdm3 libgdm1 python-uno task-catalan task-catalan-desktop task-desktop task-print-server tasksel tasksel-data
Suggested packages:
debconf-doc debconf-utils libterm-readline-gnu-perl libnet-ldap-perl libqtgui4-perl libqtcore4-perl
The following packages will be REMOVED:
alacarte* aptdaemon* dh-python* foomatic-db-compressed-ppds* gdebi-core* gdm3* gedit* gedit-plugins* gir1.2-ibus-1.0* gnome*
 
@WaitingforDev... are you currently using GNOME?
 
apt-cache policy python-uno
 
python-uno:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 1:4.3.3-2
Version table:
1:4.3.3-2 0
500 http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
 
@WaitingforDev... Ok. Not sure what is going on, but one option would be to strip down your system and build it back up. Just to be clear, do you have any locally installed Python libraries under /usr/local/lib?
 
10:37 AM
yes, there are some
 
@WaitingforDev... Can you give a list?
Just the python 3 ones. Those look like the problem
 
easy_install.py
_markerlib
pip
pip-6.0.7.dist-info
pkg_resources
__pycache__
pytz
pytz-2014.10.dist-info
setuptools
setuptools-12.0.5.dist-info
 
Can you give /usr/bin/py3clean?
 
File "/usr/bin/py3clean", line 4
SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2' in file /usr/bin/py3clean on line 4, but no encoding declared; see http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-0263/ for details
 
@WaitingforDev... What is in __pycache__?
@WaitingforDev... No, I mean, paste the contents. At least the early part of the file.
 
10:39 AM
ok
 
It says line 4 of the code. Paste the first 30 lines say.
 
#! /usr/bin/python3
# vim: et ts=4 sw=4

# Copyright © 2010-2012 Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org>
#
# Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
# of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
# in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
# to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
# copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
# furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
in pycache you mean in /usr/share/python3/debpython/__pycache__/ ?
 
Wonder what it is on about. Just paste the whole thing.
@WaitingforDev... no, the one in /usr/local
2 mins ago, by Waiting for Dev...
easy_install.py
_markerlib
pip
pip-6.0.7.dist-info
pkg_resources
__pycache__
pytz
pytz-2014.10.dist-info
setuptools
setuptools-12.0.5.dist-info
You mention __pycache__ there.
I'm actually not sure what all that stuff is.
Could be that copyright symbol. Looks like unicode.
 
#! /usr/bin/python3
# vim: et ts=4 sw=4

# Copyright © 2010-2012 Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org>
#
# Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
# of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
# in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
# to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
# copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
# furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
 
I suggest removing all python 3 stuff from under /usr/local/lib unless you know for sure that it is important. You can always reinstall it later.
Yes, I think it is probably that copyright symbol.
 
10:45 AM
just easy_install.cpython-34.pyc in pycache
I'll try
I'm trying to install something...
I removed everything from /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages and tried to dist-upgrade but same error :(
 
Hi. Try the test in
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Q: python 2.7 ignores default encoding set in sitecustomize.py when parsing scripts

Honore DoktorrI’m having problems getting python 2.7 to read scripts containing utf-8 strings; setting the default encoding to utf-8 in sitecustomize.py doesn’t seem to take. Here’s my sitecustomize.py: import sys sys.setdefaultencoding("utf-8") I can verify that the default encoding has been changed from ...

Specifically,
filename = 'utf-8·filename.txt'
print(filename)
try first
python test.py and then python3 test.py
I get different results for these
 
python test.py ----->
SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2' in file test.py on line 1, but no encoding declared; see python.org/dev/peps/pep-0263 for details
python3 test.py
same
 
@WaitingforDev... hmm. I'm not running a jessie machine, but I get different results on wheezy.
Anyone here who can test on jessie?
One sec, let me ask in the python room
 
ok, thanks
 
11:00 AM
@WaitingforDev... I'm in chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/6/python
 
ok, i go there
 
Asking about expected behavior in python 2 and 3. Let me also ask on IRC.
 
 
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12:42 PM
finally getting around to building gcc 5.1
 
1:14 PM
@casey You saw the new release schedule thing, right?
 
@FaheemMitha I saw the blurb at the top of that page, they need to update the rest of it to reflect the change
and perhaps this time next year I'll be compiling gcc 14.0
 
@casey I doubt they are releasing that fast.
 
anyone recall how long gcc stagnated at 2.95 ?
 
@casey I imagine WP or the gcc site has the gory details.
Was that around the time of that fork? 2.95 was the standard for compiling the kernel for ages.
 
it does, it was 2.7 I was thinking of, not 2.95
back during the EGCS drama
2.95 went a long time too though
 
1:22 PM
2 years for 2.95
the WP page has a list of releases.
But I think even after that 2.95 was used for compiling the kernel. For a while.
2.7 -> 28 about 2 1/2 years.
 
those days also had the drama of the C++ ABI changes
those were fun...
 
@casey I don't remember those days, because I wasn't using C, C++ or gcc yet.
I first tried learning C in the fall of 1997.
 
my memory is hazy but I want to say I first learned C in 1992 or so
and the C++ I eventually learned was pre-standard C++, which is almost nothing like what C++ looks like today
before then it was a mix of C64 BASIC and GW BASIC and BASICA
one of the first C programs I wrote hooked the the interrupt that got called when you pressed control-alt-delete in DOS and printed some nonsense to the screen instead of rebooting. my dad loved that :)
 
1:41 PM
@casey sounds like you got going early. Were you one of those kids who spent a lot of time in front of his computer?
 
1:54 PM
what is the proper way to set a bash variable from a partial filename?
so 3462468236foobar323479243.jpg as long as grep finds foobar set it as a variable?
 
2:04 PM
@FaheemMitha you could say that. I know I learned to use our C-64 when we still lived in NY so that would put me around 4 yrs old
though at that time most of what I could do was putting in game disks and loading/running them in C64 BASIC (that was the default interface the C64 booted into)
 
2:25 PM
@casey that still counts as an early start. :-)
 
3:22 PM
@derobert so, Debian release party time? I'm planning to take my lazy self to one Sunday.
 
3:44 PM
@FaheemMitha there now appears to be one as close as Toronto!
 
4:02 PM
@michael-morzek : Well, I read: “It's different in an OS like Windows, the shortcut brings us to the real directory. I'm little bit confused how this soft link works in Linux. Is it not a shortcut like in Windows?” That in conjunction with the title “How do linux soft links work”, that was later removed by you, I did not think I was that off mark.
But, okidoki …
 
4:19 PM
@derobert Now all you need is a friendly teleporter to take you there.
 
4:36 PM
@FaheemMitha I'm sure the CIA has one, but I think it only takes one to Gitmo.
 
4:52 PM
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because we do not reveal the secrets of the monastery. — derobert 17 secs ago
... how's that for a close reason?
If anyone asks, the scary devil monastery of course.
 
5:04 PM
@derobert you're learning. Now all you need to do is grow a beard.
 
@FaheemMitha Ummm. I already have the beard :-)
 
@derobert Oh, do you? Hmm, never imagined you with a beard.
 
Is it just me, or does no one visit the site on Friday?
 
5:19 PM
@derobert Just you. Of course :P
 
@derobert Does "no one" include you?
I actually think that beard question is a good one, albeit in an existential way. Not "why do unix people have beards", but "why does anyone have a beard"? Maybe I should ask it on Philosophy Stack Exchange.
beardo, ergo sum.
 
5:34 PM
@FaheemMitha beardo ergo geek?
 
@terdon if you prefer, yes.
 
I also have a beard. Well, I call it a beard anyway, that might be a slightly over generous description. I don't shave, at any rate, and have what facial hair I can grow.
 
I used to have a beard once. Not now.
On balance, I don't really like 'em.
 
6:08 PM
@derobert: It's just me and my imaginary friends.
 
6:37 PM
I'm going to be deleting that unix beard question but I saved a screenshot of the comments for posterity:
 
7:10 PM
@terdon That's a shame. Why not just close it?
 
@FaheemMitha Well, 'cause it really gives nothing to the site. It seems like a silly think to clutter the site up with just for giggles.
I can undelete if if you all feel strongly about it
 
I wish OP had posted that on April 1. Then I'd be fully happy with it living so long as its April 1 somewhere on Earth (i.e., the same timespan as the other April 1 stuff)
 
7:45 PM
@terdon Well, there's tons of nonsense on the site already. But do as you think best.
 
8:07 PM
I had a question to ask! unix.stackexchange.com/questions/198460/… ... unfortunately, I found an answer unix.stackexchange.com/a/198461/977
 
8:23 PM
@derobert to make that a truly impressive answer, you should submit a patch. :-)
Unfortunately writing a patch for a man page involves writing troff, but it's not a perfect world.
 
I suspect its a moot point, as presumably it'll be enabled in jessie+1 and it's too late to change it for jessie.
And it's now documented in Google, which is after all the only documentation anyone reads.
 
@derobert Any idea what this person is talking about?
Huh, I always thought this had something to do with scp, somehow related to secure copying / transmitting files, I didn't realize it wasn't a conditional output (looking at the commit that Martin found in the question comments). — Jason C 2 hours ago
@derobert That's not actually true.
 
@FaheemMitha Nope. No clue.
 
People do read documentation. Some of the time, anyway.
@derobert Maybe he commented on the wrong question.
@derobert Still should be documented. Actually, the apt documentation is missing quite a lot of options.
 
8:29 PM
server A does look a bit more natural.
 
Except it's a host name, and those don't have spaces. Also, it's serverA in the script fragment posted, so it'd be weird to not have it match.
 
@terdon what is the secret of the Python room? They have tons of people there.
@derobert Make sure to point those reasons out in the rejection.
 
@FaheemMitha: Python.
 
Too late now, I already used the stock reason
@Sukminder : Perl.
(was that in response to anything?)
 
@Sukminder Carrot.
 
8:34 PM
Ok, I can't get the :num reply syntax to work without a space before the colon. A zero-width space doesn't work.
:21286270‌: does this work?
nope.
@FaheemMitha : Hair space seems to be the best you can do...
But it's pretty wide here.
Not sure why. It isn't normally.
 
@derobert It's working here, as it normally does. Did something just change?
 
@FaheemMitha Oh? That "does this work?" message shows as a reply to your carrot?
 
Dumb question. Can one switch ones number from a regular size sim to a microsim? I'm not sure why the latter are popular, but it seems to be what is available in the phone I am contemplating buying.
@derobert No, it doesn't.
But maybe I misunderstand. You are talking about the very first colon, right?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes. Though with most SIM cards you don't need to. To switch... they get out a tool and cut the SIM card down to size.
 
@derobert Eww. Who is "they"? And what happens if it is done wrong? And what's wrong with the regular size card?
 
8:40 PM
@FaheemMitha Your cell carrier, at least if they have a storefront you can go to.
 
@FaheemMitha phone companies send you one upon request, at least in Europe
 
@derobert Oh, I see.
@Gilles micro-sims?
 
@FaheemMitha yes
 
So these micro-sim things are now standard?
 
They'll know if their SIM card is designed so that is possible. At least the T-Mobile ones are.
 
8:41 PM
@Gilles Ok, thanks. And are you seeing what @derobert is seeing - re the space thing?
 
@FaheemMitha nah, they're huge. It's all nano sims now.
 
@derobert I see. And if they are not they can replace it?
@derobert why?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, the store should be able to. Or calling them on the phone.
 
Soon we'll have sim cards the size of a grain of sand.
 
@FaheemMitha no phone company would want to reject customers who have iphones, so yes
 
8:42 PM
@FaheemMitha Smaller. Lets you fit more other stuff in the phone.
 
@Gilles Ok. Iphones aren't quite that big in India. It's wall to wall Android here.
 
@FaheemMitha I have no idea what you're talking about
 
Not really sure why. Maybe pure price considerations.
@Gilles See Anthony's comments in the backlog.
 
When you do an @foo reply, you can do @foo: with the colon right up against the name. Whether it pings or not, don't know off the top of my head. But it displays fine. I was trying to get the same appearance with a :num reply to a specific message.
 
@FaheemMitha I have no interest in reading the backlog to figure out what you're saying.
If it's worth for me to read, it's worth for you to at least link to the message you're talking about.
 
8:44 PM
But seriously, what's the reason for the incredible shrinking SIM?
 
@Gilles well, read my message right above yours then :-)
 
@Gilles Ok, one sec.
 
@FaheemMitha to fit more other stuff in the phone.
 
10 mins ago, by derobert
Ok, I can't get the :num reply syntax to work without a space before the colon. A zero-width space doesn't work.
@derobert They don't have to be that small, do they?
@Gilles see quote above.
 
@FaheemMitha look up one of the teardowns of a modern smartphone. They're incredibly tightly packed. A SIM slot was pretty big!
 
8:45 PM
I'm guessing those SIM things don't have a lot of information.
@derobert Ok, I'll take your word for it.
@Gilles is Android big in France?
 
@FaheemMitha it has a majority share in smartphones
 
@Gilles yes, I know. But it's bigger in some places and less so in others.
 
like almost everywhere
 
I think the world wide share is like 75% now, right?
 
I don't know what the proportion of smartphones vs feature phones and basic phones is
 
8:47 PM
Ironical that most of the people using it have probably never heard of the Linux kernel, and if they had, couldn't care less.
@Gilles I was going by the WP article on Android.
I was in the gym day before yesterday. I asked people what phones they were using. There were like 4 androids and 1 iphone. I think I was the only person there with a feature phone.
 
@FaheemMitha You have to ask the senior citizens. They might still have feature phones. Or Princess phones, even.
 
@derobert They might. My mother, for example, could not figure out how to use my little feature phone.
/me is now officially a senior citizen.
@derobert another dumb question. can you think of any problem with a phone whose battery cannot be removed?
or at least not easily by the user.
 
@FaheemMitha yes: you can't do a hard reset, and you can't change the battery
 
@FaheemMitha if you have a removable battery, you can carry a spare and swap batteries as needed (e.g., when it goes dead)
 
@Gilles True
 
8:56 PM
and when the battery wears out (2 years or so), its much harder to change.
 
@derobert Yes, also true.
@derobert Yes.
Unfortunately, my tentative choice has that feature. It's a bummer.
Do people often carry battery spares then?
 
@FaheemMitha most of my phones don't have changeable batteries either. When I'm going somewhere away from a charger for a while, I just carry around a USB battery pack.
 
@FaheemMitha I've only seen people using external batteries/rechargers
 
But I know people with removable batteries who carry several. Much smaller than a USB battery pack, and quick to change them...
 
@derobert oh. but that doesn't help if the battery craps out on you, right?
@Braiam You mean for non-removable batteries?
 
8:58 PM
@FaheemMitha for either
 
So, is this non-removable thing becoming a trend? Any point trying to fight it?
 
@FaheemMitha well, normally they just lose capacity over time. After two years, you'll probably be complaining. You can always work around it by living on a charger...
 
@derobert hopefully if the phone is Ok, the company itself can still replace it.
 
@FaheemMitha Non-removable seems to be a trend. Cheaper, and saves space.
Even Samsung gave in now.
 
@derobert that's probably a pity.
Actually, definitely a pity.
@derobert so are your phones non-removable too?
 
9:00 PM
@FaheemMitha yeah, the recent Nexus ones all are.
 
@derobert too bad.
 
If I needed a new phone I'd probably get a Fairphone. But it's a bit heavy and expensive.
 
9:16 PM
I think amazon is a bit crazy. They increased the cost of this phone by Rs 3000 and then back down again, all in a few hours.
 
@FaheemMitha $c->stash{price} = (1+rand/2) * $low_price if $c->user->username eq 'FaheemMitha' ← obviously part of Amazon's website code
 
@derobert interesting app. thanks.
 
9:34 PM
Funny. I installed that camel extension and it says it is enabled, but I don't see the icon on the bar, and it doesn't seem to be doing anything.
 
unix.stackexchange.com/a/198238 — the answer is well-written and correct, except for the part where it doesn't answer the question at all
 
@Gilles nobody's perfect.
 
@FaheemMitha I just use the site directly. Used to use the extension, I forget what you did to get it to display something
 
@derobert oh, ok
Oh, I just realised. It probably doesn't work with amazon.in.
 
Oh, that could be. Contact them, they can probably fix that. Or maybe there is an option to set which Amazons it works with.
 
9:49 PM
@derobert Ok, I'll look on the site.
Does anyone here use Quora regularly?
@derobert a little googling found s://www.adquisitio.in
 
10:22 PM
@derobert well, I ordered a phone. I hate shopping. It's a big pain.
Comparison shopping is particularly bad.
@derobert thanks for all your help with this.
 
10:58 PM
wow, how you find good questions that needs love @Anthon in the H&I queue?
 

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