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12:59 AM

This one should be answerable, i think.

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Q: Corrupt LVM metadata header after kernel update

I'm running Debian Wheezy (Linux wheezy3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux) as an encrypted LVM with hardware raid 1 (Adaptec 6405E) on a supermicro server. I was encounting the following errors during the the kernel update: Running depmod. Examining /etc/kernel/postins...

debian kernel lvm

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4:32 AM

@derobert going to KamiCon?

@Braiam Nope, next con I'm planning on is Anime Weekend Atlanta.

5:32 AM

Hi @derobert. How are you doing?

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12:28 PM

@FaheemMitha I've actually asked a question this morning! As a result of that Wheezy upgrade. Broke something that I didn't find out about until someone woke me to fix it... Now back to bed.

(I worked around it with an ACL)

12:52 PM

SIGH

Is flagging own post allowed? I've just done that and I wonder: if it will be declined I would worsen my flagging stat, if it will be approved I would worsen my "spammer" stat (if there are ones).

@terdon I've never understood this guys posts, usually he has some deeper understanding of Linux problems which I haven't reach yet.

@jimmij Nobody cares about flagging stats, don't worry about it.

And nobody understands his posts. Including him, unfortunately.

He seems like a very nice guy and is honestly trying hard to help but for some reason tends to completely misunderstand the question and often gives either useless or outright wrong answers.

Oh, and @jimmij, yes flagging own posts is allowed. For example, you can flag to ask for it to be migrated. Can't really think of any other reason why you would want to.

1:19 PM

@derobert what happened with:

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Q: Why doesn't git-annex map realize Einstein is one repository?

TLDR Have I confused git-annex into thinking one machine is actually two? Background I have a git-annex repository that has copies on three machines: Watt, Einstein, and Heisenberg in addition to a special remote on S3. Einstein is a server, and has both external public IPs and internal priv...

?

1:58 PM

@terdon other reasons are to make a post CW or to have a post undeleted

@casey Why would one flag to make CW? The OP can do that anyway.

@terdon perhaps I'm mistaken but I don't think a user can create CW questions on their own currently

also on meta, a user might flag their own post to get [featured] added to it

@casey Ah, questions, no, apparently not.

2:54 PM

Hi guys.

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4:05 PM

blog.malwaremustdie.org/2014/09/…

4:32 PM

Is there a way to attach a terminal to a copy of emacs?

faheem 32164 0.0 0.0 4104 504 pts/2 T Feb18 0:00 emacsclient debug.tex

Though maybe T means there is something wrong with the job.

Hmm,
T stopped, either by a job control signal or because it is being traced

@FaheemMitha you mean cloning an existing terminal so it's seen in emacs?

@Braiam No, I mean, getting my hands on this running copy of emacs.

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6:47 PM

@FaheemMitha how did you start it?

7:00 PM

Thank you for inspiring generations of scientists and engineers, Leonard Nimoy. We raise an eyebrow in your honor.

Tweeted by NSF on February 27, 2015 at 6:43 PM

7:15 PM

@FaheemMitha Well, git-annex appears to work. But I haven't found an answer to that (or, well, really tried hard to find an answer)

Other fun things this morning... It feels weird to report bugs in bugzilla.

@derobert why not an incremental upgrade?

@Braiam not following?

You mean go through each version between? There were a lot of those!

@derobert 3.0.4 -> 3.X -> 4.X -> 5.X

oh

actually only the latest of each series

AFAIK, the direct upgrade to 5.0 is supposed to work. And except for that, at least there aren't any errors. Need to configure apache now and see if it really worked.

7:43 PM

Appears to work.

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9:38 PM

@casey By typing emacs in a terminal, probably.

@FaheemMitha ok, in that case, how did you detach emacs from the terminal in the first place?

@casey It might not be detached. Probably isn't. I used emacsclient -c ..., probably.

But I don't know which terminal I used.

is it just backgrounded then? e.g. jobs lists it and you could foreground it?

@casey Possibly.

It seems jobs is per terminal, is that right?

What happens if I don't know what terminal it is on?

jobs is per shell instance, afaik

how many terminals do you have open? go ask them all is the brute force way.

9:43 PM

Oh, I see ps says things like pts/17.

you know which tty has that, but that likely isn't going to help figuring out which terminal instance owns it

@casey A few. And Ok.

@casey I see.

That did the trick, thanks. I'll remember jobs.

@derobert Someone commented on that.

@FaheemMitha Yes... I'm not sure what I'm supposed to make of that comment.

@derobert me neither, but I don't know the context.

Anyway, time to go home!

Long week. And I think I have another Lenny machine to upgrade Tuesday night.

Well, though it might get delayed (or only upgraded to squeeze) depending on if I find a way around unix.stackexchange.com/questions/187197/…

9:57 PM

@derobert Not a lot of views so far.

Maybe try a more specialist forum? How about SF?

Server Fault, I mean.

10:48 PM

Hey hello Peeps

Anyone help me with an odd riddle?

On language settings in Mint 17, it says I have Chinese support fully installed. But I'm damned if I can get it to actually let me input text in Chinese, in, say, Firefox

Or in a form etc.

I have a little Chinese flag on my console, but that doesn't help in any way.

Bing seems to hate Chinese text-enterers, and all I seem to find is references to ibus, which many people say is useless. I'm stumped.

Hello? Faheem? derobert? Anyone?

11:07 PM

@user2356315 Sorry, no idea. But I suggest posting on the site. That's what it is for.

And maybe try your distribution's forums too?

@user2356315 The best thing to do is to post a question on the main site explaining 1) what happens when you try to type (English? Nothing? Glyphs?) 2) if you have a Chinese font installed and 3) the output of dpkg -l | grep -i chinese

Hey thanks chaps, I was hunting elsewhere...the consensus seems to be 'Post a full-blown q' but let's have a look at this...

dpkg -l > grep -i chinese, I mean

| that's better, Chinese semms to be American here in the UK

Huh?

Well with CHinese enabled, my UK keyboard jhas switched to US...amphersand swapped with " etc

@user2356315 that may well be the chinese layout

The Greek layout has the same thing, the letters are Greek but the other marks are set as in the US layout.

11:14 PM

seems a bit half-hearted, that...OK dpkg blocked right now...

upgrading...

@user2356315 Not really, I never understood why the Brits felt the need to change them around in the first place. I spent some time working on UK keyboards and having a US one at home. It was quite confusing at times. :)

@terdon Yes, perverse.

The swap into Yankee Typee seems to follow me around.

Were you working in the UK?

Went to Uni there.

Dumb question perhaps. Na, cool. What did you study?

Biology

11:18 PM

Wow did I love biology once

@terdon what university?

Until I found physics is taught backwards.

Not physics, chemistry. Always get those two confused. Typical biologist hahaha.

No offence @terdon

@FaheemMitha York

@user2356315 None taken.

Oxygen affinity, that was a bitch. In fact electrons being negative did for me.

How f* ridiculous.

Anyways. Computers nowadays.

Um.

11:23 PM

@terdon Oh, North England. How was it? I didn't know you had studied in the Uk.

@FaheemMitha Awful. Damp and dreary and cold.

Oh, and flat.

Pretty sunsets though.

@terdon Oh, sorry to hear that. I didn't really enjoy my time in the Uk either.

Though at the time I thought I did.

If that doesn't make much sense to you, it doesn't to me either.

I never did for a second actually. The fact that I had a girl friend back home and this may have had something to do with it though.

The Uk has lots of nice buildings though. If you are into that sort of thing.

So it wasn't an entirely unbiased point of view.

11:25 PM

@terdon Why go there then? Good program?

Yup, and I spoke the language.

And the Greek educational system is pretty horrible. Anyone who could, left.

@terdon I see. That's too bad. Even the University of Athens and suchlike?

@terdon The US would seem a more obvious place, really.

Don't get me wrong, by the way. I have a lot of respect and fondness for the brits. I just never could stand the weather.

You live in the US now @terdon?

@terdon And the food. Don't forget the food. I guess Greek weather must be pretty good. And the country looks really attractive.

11:27 PM

@FaheemMitha Well, there are some good people but yeah, there are very few world class places in Greece. Like 3 or so.

@terdon So, hard to get into, then?

@user2356315 At the moment I just moved back to Greece. Before that France and Spain.

I wish I could move to Greece

@FaheemMitha Yes. It requires rote learning, no testing for comprehension, only memory.

Books and books of it.

Kind of like India, I guess. Though I think there are a fair number of reasonable Indian research places these days. But then, it is a really big place.

11:29 PM

@user2356315 Now's a really bad time for it.

@terdon Sounds like the IITs. A bit.

The what?

Big compared to Greece, at least.

So I see, but I've been once before, and I lasted 7 months out there, that was OK.

Sorry, bit out of sync there

@terdon IITs? Indian Institute of Technology. They have an entrance exam. IIT JEE. Joint Entrance Examination.

11:30 PM

@FaheemMitha Big compared to most places.

Joint Entrance Examination

Joint Entrance Examination (JEE) is an all India common entrance examination which is conducted for admission in various engineering courses. In 2012, CBSE (Central Board of Secondary Education) has announced this common examination in place of AIEEE and IIT-JEE. JEE (Joint Entrance Examination) is being conducted into two parts, JEE-Main and JEE-Advanced. JEE-Advanced is for admission in Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), and Indian School of Mines (ISM) Dhanbad and JEE-Main exam is to admission in IIITs (Indian Institutes of Information Technology), National Institutes of Technology, CFTIs...

@user2356315 That happens :)

@terdon Well, North America is bigger.

@FaheemMitha Ah, I see.

Thx

11:31 PM

@FaheemMitha Yeah, and probably less than 10 other countries in the world.

Once they had an IIT specific exam. That seems to have changed.

@user2356315 so, what did the dpkg show? Did you post a question?

@terdon Someone remarked that India is in better shape than Pakistan, as far as research goes. That's not saying much.

@FaheemMitha There are no uni-specific exams here. But they're changing everything now, again.

@terdon Sounds like fun.

11:33 PM

@FaheemMitha I can't name you any right now but I've heard of very good Indian institutes.

@terdon Still upgrading at something like 250kb/s...unfotunately I'm on WiFI on a dinosaur of a computer, but my shiny new Lappy is still running W8.1, so I'm stuck on this for the next eternity.

Dual boot?

@FaheemMitha My friend George was doing a Masters in Elec Engineering, and he said far and away the best engineers on his course were from India...

@terdon Yes, there are some. Dreary places to live in though. You thought York was bad? Come to India.

@user2356315 Masters where?

@terdon Well after a couple of years away from Windoze, I'm loathe to nuke and pave in favour of Red Hat/Kali

11:34 PM

The people you meet outside India are not typical of India.

@FaheemMitha At Nottingham

People who can, run away from India screaming. Especially if they have no assets in India.

@user2356315 Oh. Hmm, that rings some kind of bell.

@user2356315 No, I mean dual boot with Windows. No reason not to have both.

@terdon OK I'll take your advice

Oh, and by the way, Faheem is Indian and living there. He gets to hate Indians.

:)

11:37 PM

Actually, after so long sterring clear of them, maybe games are another bonus with Microsoft stuff

@terdon Fair comment. I live in the UK so cut me some slack too.

@user2356315 You could try Debian.

Are you using a Debian or Ubuntu derived Mint?

@terdon I don't hate Indians. I don't know most Indians. At 1.3 billion, that would be a lot of hating.

I detest the place in general, that is true.

But not in the specifics of the individuals around you.

But if you were living here, so would you.

Understood.

Debian pure as opposed...you know I don't know, the standard one, I think it's Ubu though, although wouldn't I get an error with dpkg in Ubu?

11:39 PM

I don't know about that. All places have nice things about them.

@user2356315 Parse error.

@terdon Even Siberia?

I slapped it on during my 'New month, new distro' phase...yup no error

Or the North Pole. Or Antarctica?

@FaheemMitha Siberia could be OK for, er, endurance athletes.

@FaheemMitha Hell yeah! It snows every year, it's absolutely gorgeous and there's no one around to bug you!

@user2356315 There wouldn't be, all Debian-derived distros use dpkg. That includes Ubuntu and Mint and whatever else.

11:40 PM

@terdon So you can freeze to death and nobody would bother you while you did so. Stellar.

@FaheemMitha See? Silver lining to every cloud.

Though presumably in this case that'd be the ice crystals forming at the outer edges of your last breath.

@user2356315 BTW, consider changing your user name to something more memorable than user...

@terdon Oops, just a reality check here...Ubu is Debian-based, originally, correct?

Let's go do that...I hate having to choose.

@user2356315 Yup. Originally and still today.

I'll pick something from the dictionary

You two think of a number

One each, less than 26

11:42 PM

I once had a conversation with someone online about awful places to live. He/she mentioned a nickel mining town in Siberia. Apparently you have to walk around with masks on because the air is so bad. I conceded that that sounded worse than Bombay.

Though the air is bad here too.

@FaheemMitha I think you were outclassed there.

@user2356315 you could go with Captain TightPants. That's from Firefly.

i think.

@terdon Indeed so.

Yes,

Malcolm Reynolds

Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds is a fictional character and the protagonist of the Firefly franchise. Mal is played by actor Nathan Fillion in the 2002 TV series Firefly and the 2005 film Serenity. In the series, Mal is a former Browncoat sergeant and the captain of the Firefly-class spaceship Serenity. The character was named #18 in TV Guide 's Greatest Sci-Fi Legends list in 2004. == Production details == Conceived by Joss Whedon, the character Malcolm Reynolds was the only definite character he had in mind when formulating the ensemble cast. He wanted a hero, but not a hero in the classic sen...

Captain TightPants, the original ^^.

I know him well. In all his cowboy glory.

Since you seem to be familiar with him and his merry crew, you might enjoy this:

misterkristoff.wordpress.com/2015/02/09/…

@terdon No, I was just watching a bit of Serenity yesterday, but then I got bored.

Hey you're not knocking my kit, right?

11:46 PM

Yes, I know. Bored Of Whedon. Blasphemy, right?

@user2356315 Hmm?

@user2356315 No?

Nothing nothing, OK lemme put this nomenclature in order

Here we go...if only I designed everything on the web

@terdon Yes, I buy Mal as a bad guy.

Nothing nothing, OK lemme put this nomenclature in order

Here we go...if only I designed everything on the web

Yo

Nope, still user23xx

@user2356315 You'll need to log out of chat.stackexchange and log back in again. Or just wait a while: it's caching.

11:55 PM

@terdon Thx, just coming to the end of my tether there

OK question

nope, no worries, just killed the process instead of the piped output. 8(

Something about whether I wanted to update /etc/issue

error - dpkg status database is locked by another process

can't see which one

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