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1:33 AM

@Braiam bleh, apart from Anna's so-so proposal, all the answers make things worse

@Gilles I was thinking that you may have awesomesauce to add

1:46 AM

@Braiam thanks for the notice, by the way

I'm pretty sure I was the user who'd reviewed the most edits across SE for a while, I don't know if I still am (a couple of people have done more reviews than me on SO now)

2 hours later…

3:33 AM

ruby ruins my day

@Tim: It's not ruby issue

Try adding rvm path to root's PATH and try again

whose issue

what can I do now?

what can I do now?

Did you adding rvm path to root's PATH

then try install again?

Is it correct that in $PATH, the search is from the leftmost dir to the rightmost dir, and the search stops once it founds an executable?

so when adding ruby's path to PATH, it is something like PATH=<newrubypath>:$PATH ?

Do I have to save the change to PATH in root's ~/.bashrc or ~/.bashprofile like I did under my account?

3:57 AM

@Tim: Yes

yes for the change to PATH?

Then I should install the package under root?

I don't need to save the change to PATH in root's ~/.bashrc or ~/.bashprofile?

You can use sudo under your user as well

yes

4:16 AM

@Gnouc: Thanks. I have installed pdfbeads.

When I run a command using it, I get the error "..rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require': cannot load such file -- iconv (LoadError)".

Does it mean that I have to install something?

Is it to run "gem install iconv"?

what's result of "which iconv"

$ which iconv
/usr/bin/iconv

AFAIK, iconv is desprecated in ruby 2.0

rvm.io/packages/iconv

11

Q: Ruby 2.0 iconv replacement

I don't know Ruby but want to run an script where: D:/Heather/Ruby/lib/ruby/2.0.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:45:in `require': cannot load such file -- iconv (LoadError) it works somehow if I comment iconv code but it will be much better if I can recode this part: return Iconv.ico...

Is /usr/bin/iconv written in Ruby?

Maybe you can downgrade to older ruby to install

no

4:22 AM

by " iconv is desprecated in ruby 2.0", you mean ruby no longer uses iconv since 2.0?

As the link I give you, since 1.9.3

if it were not depreciated, should I install it by "gem install iconv", even though I have /sur/bin/iconv?

@Tim: I think you should use ruby 1.9.2 to install it

you can easily install it via rvm

4:43 AM

Actaully I have managed to install iconv by "gem install iconv", and run a command using pdfbeads successfully

I haven't tested that under my account

under root.

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8:48 AM

@Gnouc - becareful, that guy has been a bit of a spammer in the past.

@@gnouc ^^ - unix.stackexchange.com/users/history/61108

9:20 AM

@slm: Thanks for noting! I will review more carefully

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11:29 AM

@slm that's a mod-only link, everybody else sees a 404

@Gilles - thanks, hadn't realized it.

rajcoumar, India

86 12

shell-script ubuntu virtualbox sed shell bash bash-script

Tried commenting on unix.stackexchange.com/q/150259/4671

Wasn't exactly responsive.

I wouldn't even engage him at this point, unless you like wasting your time in a circle jerk.

If you search for him on google you'll find him in a variety of forums and other ask types of SE sites. The patterns been the same as far as I can tell, he asks Q's and no one A's them.

11:54 AM

@slm ok

12:11 PM

anyone interprets what this guy wants? unix.stackexchange.com/q/151367/41104 I'm presuming he has some output from a file/command he want to process

@Braiam - no clue

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2:26 PM

@slm did you make any progress on your dual monitor issues?

no, didn't have a chance to switch DE

was catching up on answering Q's last night, hadn't really done any in ~1 month

+ busy doing mod stuff most of the night

@casey ^^^

3:02 PM

@slm you don't do the sleep thing? :-)

I didn't last night

needed to get back on the A'ing horse

so close to 100k now

@FaheemMitha - it was 3am and I started to doze, then it was 5am, then 6am, figured I'd just stay up at this point, had to go to work now.

@slm As long as you don't have to drive or operate heavy machinery, I guess you'll be Ok. But in that case, wouldn't you start passing out in the afternoon? That's what happens to me.

I'll go to sleep early tonight

Sensible

3:25 PM

@FaheemMitha just keep up with the espresso and sugary foods. Sure sugar will pick you up and crash you hard, you just have to keep consuming to postpone the crash :)

@casey Interesting strategy. Sounds like a recipe for diabetes.

I should get a third monitor. That way I could half-watch videos on one, and still have two monitors to work on.

@FaheemMitha my current setup is 3 monitors and a 40" tv with a chromecast attached.

@casey I'm jealous.

so I can half watch something on one of the monitors or really half watch it on the TV

:)

@casey :-)

3:32 PM

and audio out from the computer via S/PDIF optical to a 5.1 channel receiver

Do you have them arranged in a semi-circle around you?

I'm just happy I don't live an apartment and share walls with anyone

@FaheemMitha the monitors? They are angled but not greatly.

@casey You don't? Do you have your own castle?

@casey Right, the monitors.

Is it like the BatCave? You could put them on the walls.

user image

user image

The TV sits to the left of that

3:58 PM

@casey That actually looks like 4 monitors.

The bit of the far left looks like the edge of a 4th

You must have pretty good eyesight.

Hah, so @strugee says to do the lvm raid on Jessie, and @Gilles on Wheezy. I guess I should try Wheezy. Maybe we'll get lucky and the steps will be the same...

BTW! Guess what time it is! Time to replace another Seagate drive! Got a SMART failure warning this morning for my workstation...

@derobert I vote for wheezy.

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAGS    VALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE
  ⋮
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   PO--CK   014   014   036    NOW  3561
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         POSR--   084   060   030    -    291439240
  9 Power_On_Hours          -O--CK   064   064   000    -    31902
  ⋮
                            ||||||_ K auto-keep
                            |||||__ C event count
                            ||||___ R error rate
                            |||____ S speed/performance
                            ||_____ O updated online

Though I guess that one is over 3.5 years old, so I can't complain too much...

@derobert Seagate?

Yep. See the message immediately above.

Amazingly, this is the first time I've ever used mdadm --replace /dev/md127 /dev/sda3 to deal with an actual imminent disk failure!

4:10 PM

@FaheemMitha terrible actually, but correctable to 20/20. That pic was taken further back than I sit. From where I normally sit the monitors cover a FOV somewhere between 90 and 100 degrees

@casey So, surrounded by text?

which means I turn my head a lot when using them normally, but is awesome for games that can make use of all of the monitors

@casey Sure

Doesn't your neck get tired?

nah, I tend to use each monitor for a specific task so I'm typically just looking at one of them at a time for a good stretch of time

but my chair also swivels :)

Ah. a setup like that would be nice, but I don't have a lot of space here. My chair swivels too. :-)

4:29 PM

@Networker (not sure if this ping will reach you). Please reject suggested edits which are minor and leave glaring errors. E.g., unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/58797 has "to to", spelling errors, etc.

4:45 PM

@derobert I checked that as well. However, when I wanted to remove the extra to, it was not there.

@Ramesh Possibly you saw it after my edit

5:12 PM

@FaheemMitha I do put mine on the wall - I use a 32" TV and a projector.

@mikeserv Then all you need is a mask and cowl.

Oh, and you need to talk in a really, really creepy voice.

Try saying "I'm Batman".

/me is suffering from monitor envy.

@reboot for cron is not available on all Linux distros?

@FaheemMitha already covered. And the Betamax.

@FaheemMitha monitors are the easy part, getting a video card that can drive 4 monitors at once is the more expensive part

@mikeserv You're scaring me.

@casey Hmm. I hadn't thought about a video card. You can't use multiple ones? And the card is the expensive part?

5:21 PM

@casey true this. Though, I probably have the cheapest nvidia model that will. The nvidia gt640 is the lowest end Kepler series model they made.

@mikeserv Kepler card?

multiple video cards is doable (though I'd only go for this with SLI with same make/model of cards) but you need a motherboard space and enough cooling and power to run two cards

Yeah. Not a card - a chip.

Or something - chipset? The card was... Hmmm... I forget who now.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_(microarchitecture)

@FaheemMitha yea, a simple 20ish inch 1920x1080 monitors can be had for around $100

All Kepler family based cards can do four independent displays.

5:24 PM

they only get signigficantly more expensive if you want to get into higher res

@casey SLI?

Scalable Link Interface

Scalable Link Interface (SLI) is a brand name for a multi-GPU technology developed by NVIDIA for linking two or more video cards together to produce a single output. SLI is an algorithm of parallel processing for computer graphics, meant to increase the processing power available for graphics. The acronym SLI was first used by 3dfx for Scan-Line Interleave, which was introduced to the consumer market in 1998 and used in the Voodoo2 line of video cards. After buying out 3dfx, NVIDIA acquired the technology but did not use it. NVIDIA later reintroduced the SLI name in 2004 and intended for it to...

basically lets the GPUs act together as one unit

Or maybe I have the 630. Anyway - its base model.

amd cards can do the same thing but they call it crossfire or something else

^yeah. Crossfire is correct, I think.

5:28 PM

@mikeserv I had a 550Ti when I was running two monitors and upgraded that to a 770 to run tri/quad (and also for games...)

A 770 should handle games pretty damn well, I think.

it does, and I got one with 4GB vram

it was certainly a noticeable improvement over the 550/1GB

Though, on second thought, Crossfire hails back to at I. Dunno if AMD changed it.

apparently it is "AMD Crossfire™" now

@casey 4GB vram in the video card? seriously?

5:31 PM

My 630 has 2gb of vram, though I have no idea why. Its dd3 - no way the GPU could could ever manage to address it all at speed.

The ram is too slow.

@mikeserv That's a lot of memory

for a video card, anyway

@FaheemMitha high res textures!

A lot of wasted memory.

@casey my last computer had 4GB RAM total.

But the video card only cost $120 - two years ago.

5:33 PM

My current one has 16GB, which is a big improvement, granted

@mikeserv it may not need to address it all at once, but it will save some time to keep unused stuff in vram for when they are needed

not sure how much it'll save, but I assume its a non-zero gain

Possibly. I dunno - and was impressed when I bought it. Since then I've read some - like on Phoronix - that convinced me it was a waste.

@FaheemMitha my first computer have 64kb ram and my first PC had 512 kb. This machine as 24 GB, and if the mobo supported bigger sticks it would have 48 GB, but sadly it does not :(

@casey :-)

@casey you have only 3 slots?

5:35 PM

@mikeserv 6

Oh.

@caseyWhy didn't you get a different MB?

they only support 4 GB per slot :/

But 4GB max. Got it.

or I'd upgrade them with 8gb sticks

5:36 PM

I was wondering what kind of insaniac would put together a board with 1.5 bays...

@FaheemMitha I bought this motherboard in June 2011.

@casey Ah. Ancient.

24 GB seems like a lot. You do a bunch of number crunching?

I have 24gb as well, and no.

@FaheemMitha I use every bit of it

@casey Huh. How would you people have coped in the 19th century?

5:39 PM

right now only ~5 gb are in use, but that just means I have to set my analysis code to limit itself to 19 gb

You'd need a heckuva lot of slide rules.

Most of mine is usually wasted. On the bright side the word swap has nearly disappeared from my vocabulary.

@FaheemMitha well, I wouldn't be doing the same sorts of things if I didn't have the computing power

I also stick disk images in there - or torrented pirated movies I plan only to watch once.

@casey So I imagine

@mikeserv "tormented pirated movies"? about tormented pirates?

5:41 PM

Yeah. Never watch those twice.

16 GB should be enough for anybody

@FaheemMitha I have 24 GiB too, here. RAM is cheap...

really no reason not to max out your board, imho

@derobert Do you use all of yours.

@casey 6x 4GiGB DIMMS in this one. I think it might take 6x 8, but 8G were much more expensive at the time.

5:45 PM

@casey I think I have some spare space here. But I don't even use the memory I have.

@FaheemMitha Well, I just killed the machine a day or so ago from OOM :-) But that was doing something stupid. Currently, though, I have a rather disturbingly high free amount:

anthony@Zia:~$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      24735868    7492676   17243192      56804     740004    2211816
-/+ buffers/cache:    4540856   20195012
Swap:      5857276          0    5857276

@FaheemMitha linux uses a lot more of it then you think

Clearly need more disk cache.

casey@convect ~ % free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      24683904   17317976    7365928     117260    1365428    9872044
-/+ buffers/cache:    6080504   18603400
Swap:      4194236       2352    4191884

And Iceweasel hasn't been open too long now. It's only up to 2.1G.

5:47 PM

root@orwell:/home/faheem# free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 16370016 15869272 500744 0 270808 2337936
-/+ buffers/cache: 13260528 3109488
Swap: 3903484 359848 3543636

@casey Your free is too high, too. Unless you just quit a 7G app.

Apparently I have swap. Who knew?

@derobert oh, I can fix that... :)

@casey :-)

anthony-ldap@Kuyou:~$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      99202412   96412844    2789568          0     507996    1046544
-/+ buffers/cache:   94858304    4344108
Swap:     41943036     157124   41785912

how's that one? :-P

5:48 PM

does that mean I have 500 MB free?

@derobert Is that 100 GB?

@FaheemMitha 96 GiB, I believe.

@derobert oh. What machine is that?

Oracle DB server.

And basically all of it used, by Oracle.

@derobert oh

I wonder if I should get more memory. Seems a bit spendthrift

casey@convect ~ % free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      24683904   24546604     137300     120288     538712    4462208
-/+ buffers/cache:   19545684    5138220
Swap:      4194236       2352    4191884

5:52 PM

does what does used mean, exactly?

@FaheemMitha Everyone should get more memory!

/me goes and buys some shares in Micron :-P

@derobert Sounds like a campaign slogan

@derobert Micron?

@FaheemMitha they make silicon

@FaheemMitha One of the major memory manufacturers. Actually the one that made pretty much all the RAM I have...

@casey can't you get that on the beach?

5:53 PM

(crucial.com is Micron)

@derobert oh. And Kingston?

@FaheemMitha yes, but the stuff at the beach isn't arranged in basic logic gates repeated billions of times

how do I find my memory brand?

@FaheemMitha Kingston is another major one. There are a few more.

@FaheemMitha Usually its written on the DIMM.

@FaheemMitha look for branding on the DIMM

5:54 PM

@derobert from the cmd line?

@FaheemMitha you dont

@FaheemMitha I don't think its part of the SPD info, so I don't think you can...

@casey Bummer

the most you can get out of that might be timing info from dmidecode

Manufacturer: Kingston

from memory device section

Type: DDR3
Type Detail: Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered)
Speed: 1600 MHz

Is that good?

Size: 4096 MB

Wonder if I can still buy some of these

how do i find out how many memory slots I have?

5:58 PM

the DMI info should tell you how many slots

@derobert oh yeah. Oracle will OOM anything.

dmidecode?

@mikeserv Hah, that server doesn't OOM. That was my workstation I managed to OOM, by attempting to use perl Archive::Tar to tar up all those logical volumes...

Physical Memory Array
Location: System Board Or Motherboard
Use: System Memory
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC
Maximum Capacity: 32 GB
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Number Of Devices: 4

Looks like I am maxed out, then.

I built all of mine in /tmp too - but I fallocated them. I also purposefully only did 4 at 2gbs a piece.

perl probably mmapped em, I guess.

6:03 PM

memmap is the best map

@derobert - by the way - did you look at my answer to your question since I edited out the crazy per fh's recommendation.

@casey probably true - but over my head. I can cd /tmp though, and mostly understand that one.

@mikeserv I looked at it, still haven't managed to test it out... But @FaheemMitha was the one complaining about all the stuff done as root. If I were going to automate it, I'd write my own script anyway...

some people might open a record oriented file and read it line by line. I'll just memmap that file and cast the void* to a structure pointer and reference it directly!

@mikeserv memmap just makes a file accessible as if were memory, it can be very nice from a programming standpoint

@derobert - I realized that, which is why I figured mine only obfuscated it and thought the edit was an improvement.

@mikeserv No, that would not have OOM'd. Perl actually tried to malloc that much memory. In fact, the Archive::Tar documentation says it does that...

6:07 PM

@casey so is that the same thing as tmpfs - like a namespaced mount then, I guess?

@derobert see? over my head.

@mikeserv Normally, to read a file, you allocate "anonymous" memory (with malloc, etc.) and then ask the kernel to copy the file contents to that memory. This has a downside, nothing realizes that block of memory is exactly the same as the file on disk, so if there is memory pressure it might get written to swap

wait maybe I get it. mmap asks the kernel to please provide this file in memory - maybe like tmpfs. malloc asks the kernel to please address this data from mark -> mark?

When you read a file with mmap, you instead have the kernel make a range of memory addresses directly correspond to the bytes in a file.

or.. address - > address?

But with malloc you specify them?

Oh - so I had it backwards then.

yes?

Well, malloc gives your program addresses back, you don't get to pick them

but you then tell the kernel to copy the file data to those addresses. Or, normally, part of the file's data

copy the first 1k of this file to the 1k-long block of memory at address

then you process that, then ask the kernel to copy the second 1k of that file to the same address

6:12 PM

but mmap is the whole file?

etc.

yeah, mmap is normally done on the whole file

cool. thank you.

and it doesn't actually require RAM to back it. You can (on a 64-bit system at least) happily map a 100 TB file.

the kernel handles it almost exactly like swap. Except instead of swap to the swapfile, it swaps to the file backing the mmap

becaquse it is swapped or because it isn't yet faulted?

Oh!

that's mmap or malloc?

mmap

6:15 PM

that's cool

When you read from a page in that 100TB mmap'd range, the relevant part of the file will be read in. And---if you don't modify that page---when its no longer needed, it can be discarded (not written to swap) because the kernel can always just read it again.

@casey yes. memmap is the best map.

so it is tmpfs - you're directly addressing page cache, basically, right?

Well, sort of. tmpfs isn't backed by persistent storage. mmap is. Also, mmap is done on a single file, but tmpfs is a filesystem

very true.

So not tmpfs - but page cache.

You can modify files via mmap as well, in which case the kernel must write out the page before discarding it (just like it would with swap)

mmap is closer to swap than tmpfs, I'd say. But not exactly.

6:19 PM

I like it. I think I'll go learn some higher order language so I can play with it.

maybe I'll write a FUSE filesystem.

The main thing from a programming standpoint is a lot of times its much easier to have the entire file available at once (or at least appear to be so), instead of only having small chunks of it available (as you would with a normal seek/read)

You can use mmap in C. Or even Perl.

mmap has some downsides. It's hard to resize a mapped file. It's also limited by address space, so 32-bit systems can't map that much.

well, it is also available with zsh and bash, but severely limited. all or none, really. You can split the source up if you like - but the only way to do that efficiently is in tmpfs, and then... well.. why mmap?

@mikeserv bash's mapfile has nothing to do with mmap

ok, then zsh's does. I've never used bash's and just assumed it was the same.

I've read this a ton of times, and you just helped to understand it:

refining-linux.org/archives/57/… ... that doesn't appear to either.

Though it may be implemented with mmap.

6:25 PM

At leatst I think so:

Limitations
Although reading and writing of the file in ques‐
tion is efficiently handled, zsh's internal memory
management may be arbitrarily baroque; however,
mapfile is usually very much more efficient than
anything involving a loop. Note in particular that
the whole contents of the file will always reside
physically in memory when accessed (possibly multi‐
ple times, due to standard parameter substitution
operations). In particular, this means handling of
sufficiently long files (greater than the machine's

Ok, so maybe not. possible multiple times looks pretty contraindicated, huh?

Well, its surely no worse than var="$(cat file)"

probably true

But the closest you come to what mmap does is, let's take a hypothetical high level language: (give me a second to type the next message)

Don't know if anyone here cares, but I just heard that Russ Allbery is leaving Stanford.

Yeah - I needed the same to find the above. There are like ten zsh man pages.

6:27 PM

Quite surprising.

@FaheemMitha don't know if anyone else does either...

string = mmap "/path/to/file"
print string[1099511627776] # will print just the byte at 1TB
string[1099511627776]='c' # it's now a c, and that will be saved in the file

that's what mmap does

the other way to do it is something like:

That byte is a 'c'?

Not the file, right?

Just that one particular byte in the file.

fd = open "/path/to/file"
seek(fd, seek_set, 1099511627776)
char buffer
read(fd, &buffer, 1)
print buffer
buffer = 'c'
seek(fd, seek_set, 1099511627776)
write(fd, buffer, 1)

... that's the other way to do that.

@mikeserv Yeah. That string[x] = 'c' assignment would change just the one byte at offset x in the file.

yep, and when your file is record oriented and corresponds to a C struct, it is a lot easier to read/write a record just using its index (e.g. record[5]) than seeking to the position of record 5/reading/writing.

6:35 PM

definitely looks it.

the latest question simulate read-only env w/out users realiizng it - I hate those questions.

6:52 PM

@mikeserv doesn't vbox have a specific built in option checkbox you can select when creating the virtual machine that accomplishes that?

e.g. a "load from static disk image" option so all changes within the VM are lost upon reboot

actually I guess you'd have to set it up, then snapshot it and have it restore the snapshot at every boot

Does anyone know a good way to reduce the size of a pdf file for transmission via email. no compression.

@casey - beats me. don't use it - I would just qemu something. but I hate the how to fool a user questions. they're stupid - and I regard the idea as self-defeating anyway.

how can I seamlessly emulate a function with another function would be far better. don't fool users - educate them.

@FaheemMitha - you can probably print it to text. or copy+paste the contents to plain text.

or gzip.

@mikeserv No compression. The receiver couldn't cope.

@mikeserv That would be difficult, I think

is it very large? you can put it on google docs and just email the link.

imagemagick can pull the text, too, I think.

@FaheemMitha there exists a utility than can cut cruft from the pdf source, but I don't recall its name, nor how effective it is

7:05 PM

@casey oh

though it might be difficult, i dunno. usually cups uses ghostscript to magically process input to printable text.

@mikeserv It's a scan. I doubt it has any embedded text. Via gscan2pdf. Supposedly it has some OCR thing inside, but I doubt it does anything.

I'm giving ghostscript a try

@casey Well,if you recall, post it here.

@FaheemMitha if its a scan, the utility I mentioned won't do anything

since its probably just embedded as an image

Actually, might be a reasonable question here

well, google docs does do ocr on pdfs, though how well it works is variable.

And ghostscript will be pretty useless on a scan, too.

but imagemagick might be worthwhile.

but yeah - it would be an awesome question, I think. ocr is interesting.

7:08 PM

@mikeserv Any links?

and imagemagick is hard.

I tried gs on a low setting. got gibberish

see - hard: imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php

computers.tutsplus.com/tutorials/…

that's a lot of command line options

amen to that.

that only scratches the surface - each of those accepts any number of parameters

7:12 PM

well, gs just makes a mess, so that's out

44

Q: How to reduce pdf filesize?

I have a 72.9MB pdf file that I need to shrink into under 500KB. The file was a jpeg image that I had scanned, and then converted to pdf. Can someone please offer any suggestions?

well, gs is really a preprocessor - it could be used, but only to magically select a script that would ocr it. but you'd have to write the ghostscript that does the selection and... don't use gs.

looks like dude there provides the gs bits to do it, huh?

7:27 PM

Well, never mind that. I guess I should have scanned at a lower res, that would have been more sensible.

I think I'll stick it in a web server download space, and hope my recipient can figure out how to download it. does that sound reasonable.

I should have mentioned i was planning to send it via email, but a 5 mb attachment seems a little excessive.

especially to someone I don't really know

you did mention the email. but, again, can you not just stick it somewhere online and link it?

if you're sending to a gmail address the receiver's web client will automatically fill in a drive link anyway.

@mikeserv yes, that's probably better anyway.

scan2pdf defaults to 200dpi. I've changed it to 300dpi. What is reasonable, I wonder.

7:45 PM

@FaheemMitha - I personally really like to use gdriv.es.

@mikeserv I distrust Google. I figure they are reading all my stuff. Not theoretical. It's creepy how those companies seem to know so much about you.

They don't have anything of mine that I care that they read. They do have some precompressed/encrypted archives containing information I wouldn't want them reading, but good luck to them trying.

but if you're sending an email to an unknown, what do you care if google reads it to?

@mikeserv Well, I do care who reads the attached document

oh. point taken.

Any opinions about reasonable scan settings? I don't have much experience.

7:53 PM

@FaheemMitha depends on the content

black and white text? 300 dpi is more than enough, but play around with the options to find the quality you want vs size

@casey yes, it's b&w. But what other options are there?

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9:22 PM

Why is this relevant to Debian? unix.stackexchange.com/posts/151384/revisions

@Braiam Debian's packaging system? Seems reasonable to me.

@FaheemMitha that sounds far fetched, and following that logic, all apt question should have the Debian tag

@Braiam Hmm. Not that far fetched. And yes, all apt questions could reasonably have the debian tag, though not that important in this case, because the apt tag kind of defines is already

I might not use the debian tag here because the apt tag is so specific to debian

@FaheemMitha except when is not Debian, remember that apt is not unique to Debian

@Braiam True.

10:19 PM

yay! meta.stackexchange.com/a/137334/213575

10:47 PM

translate: שלום עולם

Hello World

mm... this can get annoying pretty fast

Wat.

They implemented a translator?

Oh, the translator is available everywhere now?

news to me

10:49 PM

@Gilles Guess so, works in the DMZ as well.

@Patrick you said something about a project adding id tags to music, what was again?

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