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bluetooth? Not sure though.

@slm but nothing from Samba? (presuming this is Samba)

The same test works fine on your secondary NAS.

@Ramesh - I really like w3m - I use it as my main pager.

@derobert - correct nothing from Samba

9:01 PM

@mikeserv, It was a huge life saver for me. My previous approach was using excel with VBA.

Well, if its not a Samba problem, seems like you should be able to reproduce it with local copies...

I literally struggled doing the work using the excel VBA script though I did using that too ;)

Of course, if it is a Samba problem, I wish you luck :-(

@slm Is samba in uninterruptable sleep during this time? I've seen it where if you write a large amount of data very fast, the buffers get large. Once the kernel goes to perform a sync() operation, anything accessing it hangs until the sync completes. So it's not an error per-se, but anything accessing samba will see samba go non-responsive

Is anyone aware of recall and precision techniques?

9:03 PM

Our leading candidates for areas to focus are a failing NIC and an issue with winbind

@Patrick that's an interesting comment

The NAS has much of the logging for samba short-circuited to /dev/null so there aren't much in the way of logs to go on

@slm Sounds like a configuration problem that ought to be fixed :-P

ha, yeah right.

If you're lucky, there might be something in the Event Log on the client.

@Ramesh - Eek. VBA. Python first and last whenever vba is an option.

There are libs for it to handle all of the office plugin functionality.

@mikeserv, I struggled a lot to make a connection from VBA script to mysql database.

9:14 PM

Another way I like to use w3m is in combination with surfRAW.

Yeah, it's built for MS sql.

You might have had better luck with Access. But then... Access.

Apparently, the issue was I was using 32 bit office which means I needed 32 bit driver for MySQL. I had installed 32 bit office in a 64 bit system and I was trying to connect to mysql using 64 bit driver.

Shame on you.

Ha ha .. It was so stupid when I realized...

No, it wasn't Ramesh.

There's no real reason such a thing should have an impact.

The OS should handle that.

Your SQL database shouldn't have low-level access to the system's memory registers.

Apparently it won't. You are welcome to give a try :)

9:18 PM

I believe you.

@Patrick How long w/ these non-responsive episodes last if you happen to recall?

should and are are not the same.

@slm depends on the buffer size, but we would experience ~30 iirc

@mikeserv, ahem

buffer size, and speed of drives...

9:19 PM

30 secs or minutes?

30 sec, sorry

OK. We've had it go south for 10's of minutes during these transfer tests using robocopy.

same tests work fine when using the backup NAS

wishing I had a network tap

Seems like someone is getting confused, but it's unclear if it's the client or the server. Might need to enlist tshark's help to see what's going on at the network level, at least from the client to the NAS

@mikeserv, we cannot use an external HDD in linux machine if it is formatted as NTFS right?

I believe the external HDD is not formatted correctly. /dev/sdb1 on /run/media/shravan/6FA6C3EC7A96B1D0 type ntfs. You will not be able to use if it is formatted as NTFS partition. You have to re-format it as ext3 or ext4 file system and try again.

@Ramesh - I only meant that it was perfectly reasonable of you to assume you could establish a database connect that way.

Yeah you can. Don't.

pastie.org/9225866

9:24 PM

I have this really long answer about ntfs - specifically the file streams...

Is this due to the file system formatted as NTFS?

The OP is not able to write anything to the external HDD.

A: Why can I not see some files in my USB stick on Windows that I can see on Linux?

Everything you didn't care to know about Linux and NTFS: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/123726/…

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UPDATE So, I really didn't think I would be researching NTFS this morning, but, thanks mostly to @AndrewMedico's comments below, I learned something. The truth is file streams are weird, and they confuse me, but apparently it gets deeper. Behaving in a way very like NTFS file streams, Transacti...

@Ramesh - is the disk full?

Q: Why can't I write on External Hard disk?

@mikeserv, nopes. I was trying to answer this question.

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I am using Arch Linux. I am not able to write on my external hard disk. I have tried to change the permission manually through properties but not allowed to do so. How can I fix this problem?

udisks.

@Ramesh it's mounted with the in-kernel ntfs driver, which is read only. switch to ntfs-3g

9:32 PM

@Patrick, do you mean I should make the mount command as below?

mount /dev/sdb1 /run/media/shravan/ -t ntfs-3g -o nls=utf8,umask=0222

Yes - I think he's right.

@Ramesh if the system has ntfs-3g, that should work yes

The op was also using udisks - which doesn't obey the regular permissions scheme. It has its own permissions scheme setup through dbus.

Basically udisks mounts everything as root - as dbus - then delegates permissions later according to... some file.

And arch comes with ntfs-3g.

He's got it.

udisksctl is the arch cli app for handling those things.

I learnt how to book mark things. Now, gonna bookmark @mikeserv's suggestion too :)

mikeserv suggestion

4 mins ago, 2 minutes total – 5 messages, 1 user, 0 stars

Bookmarked 29 secs ago by Ramesh

ntfs-3g use

7 mins ago, 1 minute total – 5 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 2 mins ago by Ramesh

But honestly, I think Patrick's answer is the core problem.

9:40 PM

I included @Patrick's answer in the answer :)

Surely though, in-kernel dbus will fix everything...

@Patrick, +25 thanks to you :)

@Ramesh welcome, enjoy :-)

You might warn op away from sticking the udisks reference back in the fstab til he understands how it works, though.

I don't think the OP was editing the /etc/fstab though. The OP has already marked the solution as accepted :)

9:46 PM

I upvoted it though - simple answers are good answers. "Problem solved" - that's good.

@mikeserv, thank you :)

It was just a mount huh? I thought it was fstab at first.

See you all.. Leaving to home. Have a nice day :)

11:01 PM

Can anyone hlep me?

Please

@Andrew Help you what?

If you have a problem, the best help I can offer is:

unix.stackexchange.com/questions

@mikeserv I just want someone to try out Tox with me

Oh, that's an awesome website,

Its really not a website so much as it is a proxy.

But you'll need Chrome and the Talk plugin. Maybe Firefox? Can't remember

Yea, but I have no one to try it out with... unless you want to too.

OK. Mine is tox.com/mikeserv

11:13 PM

Link to download

wiki.tox.im/Binaries

No it's not.

Wait a minute.

ah, we were talking about Tox recently over at PRISM Break

I had that confused with tawk.com

I don't even know what tox is. tox.com is apparently a drug thing.

github.com/nylira/prism-break/issues/891

I'm not well represented there.

11:14 PM

@mikeserv when you have it installed Press the "+" button and put in my user ID.

91E732189FD774939E56FC513E26FCCA5AF44F6D197A318543991A1C838CB859C087D378A499

But... why not just use tawk.com?

@Andrew of course, this could have been MITM'd. remember, chat.SE doesn't have SSL! \o/

I want to try it out

!!!!

Ok. I'll download it.

It is 100% FOSS

11:17 PM

@mikeserv presumably because tawk.com looks centralized and proprietary

It's the opposite of that. The most it does is provide a STUN if necessary - other than that, it's p2p.

@mikeserv ah. I haven't looked at it closely enough, then

That's your userid?!?

Oh. gee. Maybe antox was the wrong way to go... A moment more please...

@mikeserv that's Zooko's Triangle for you...

5 mins ago, by Andrew

91E732189FD774939E56FC513E26FCCA5AF44F6D197A318543991A1C838CB859C087D378A499

@mikeserv you are offline

Try to change your status

11:22 PM

My status reads 'online'...

F4424E0A6952CDF48DD4C4C0E09022AD687493D416C6A04B4BFECCE09EA44B3CAC912461029C

This is what I get for not reading the instructions - I just dove right in to an empty pool.

HUmmm

I did it on my desktop as well - it says you're offline.

don't we have a dupe of this? unix.stackexchange.com/q/132283/41104

This is the uid: D8E570C8814A880B6240ED55A89093CD506E47903A841598CD223D660CC29613FD65B5880FBE

@Braiam definitely

11:31 PM

Mine has a reading for default host...

It's currently set to toxme.se...

@Andrew - Probably we need to connect through the same server?

How

Did you get my massage?

Dunno - but when I click the gear button at bottom right it's a field I can change. No. No messages.

@Braiam I found one that I think matches. voted to close.

Ok, this is cool: googledrive.com/host/0B7jGGWVBi-XBaHQ3TlVYX0pJM1E/shot-tox.jpg

Notice the >&2 in the terminal there?

11:42 PM

@mikeserv Manjaro? seriously?

Wow

It's a very highly customized Manjaro - but yeah. This is my tv box.

@mikeserv you disgust me.

Haha. You know, there's nothing left of it, actually - it's all enlightenment.

@strugee why?

11:44 PM

It's Arch elitism.

And, it's well placed disgust.

@mikeserv what is the problem with arch... I don't like it but...

@Andrew because Manjaro takes a distribution that is explicitly for power users and tries to make it user-friendly. and that simply can't be done in a sane way.

Far from it.

There's no problem with arch.

also, Manjaro is a steaming pile of 0days because they take way too long to pull updates from Arch upstream.

@strugee agreed. And I don't like it how it handles repos

11:45 PM

@mikeserv what do you mean?

I just wound up with manjaro on my tv box after some aborted attempts at bettering the live disc.

I mean - when you say you disgust me I deserve it.

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I mean, Arch is great. don't get me wrong. it's just not for everyone. not for most people, in fact.

lol

@mikeserv haha

@mikeserv change your /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist to Arch sources

Still, that's just the host name cause I'm lazy - that was done a long time ago.

Had to fix the keys too.

IT's basically all custom-built enlightenment on wayland.

11:47 PM

then do pacman -Qenq | pacman -S -

@mikeserv Wayland? fancy

It's pretty cleaned up. Mostly.

In any case - I was pointing out the terminal output - you see it?

Hey guys. What's the owner and the user of a process, and what does it mean when they are different?

I was guessing one of them has to do with the user that opened it and the other with the executable file's permissions, but now I don't think that's it

@Rojo read the description of this room. ask on Unix & Linux.

@mikeserv yah

Just have a tmux session for IMs - cool.

@Rojo Where did you see them different?

11:51 PM

@strugee In Mathematica's forum, we tend to dislike certain too basic questions that don't fill certain requirements. So, sometimes we encourage asking in chat if you don't know if the question is worth posting. The worst case scenario is a reply sugesting to post the question :)

@terdon I'm looking at gnome system monitor

it has an Owner column and a User coloumn

@Rojo yeah, we're the opposite...

@strugee Why are you so aggressive to new people in chat? He didn't sump a question, he didn't shout, he just popped in and asked a simple little question that might not be worth a full post.

@strugee You are maybe.

which are mostly equal except for a few cases

@terdon probably just trying to be efficient

I may come off a little aggressive; I didn't realize

@Rojo my apologies

@strugee It's inefficient if then people have to go cleaning up questions that don't fit well the main site

11:53 PM

@strugee It's just that not everything is worth a question and in general, asking something quick and dirty in chat is OK on most sites.

I'm new to Linux, very new, and still haven't seen lots of questions to be fully calibrated :P

@terdon yes, I suppose. I dunno.

Sorry if I bother

@Rojo I don't see "owner"

@Rojo that said, I don't know and you might actually be better off posting on the main site :)

11:54 PM

@Braiam One of those columns I had to add on the settings

I didn't remember which, but probably it was Owner

I bet rojo has something to do with your icon. pats himself on the back for less than an elementary understanding of another language's colors

The button on the top right

@mikeserv lol

Anyone use Gnome?

@terdon yes

@terdon yeah...

11:55 PM

Have you ever seen what Rojo's describing?

@mikeserv Hehe, advanced logo design. Rojo is actually my last name

I'm looking at my System Monitor right now

I made a mistake. Youi add columns right clicking on the labels

I see the columns but don't have anything different

god, gksudo is ugly

Last name? Like a viking... Rojo the Red

11:56 PM

@terdon yeah, no idea

@Rojo Yeah, but there's no owner there. Are you sure its name is "Owner"?

@strugee User and Owner are always the same? I have them different in mathematica, in mount.ntfs, in su, in a bash that is child of that su

and osme others

@Rojo yeah I'm looking at it

@terdon Definately. Try right clicking on the bar to add columns

just a second

11:57 PM

@terdon @strugee you need to modify the columns

@Rojo I did. Is your OS in English?

@terdon Yes

@Braiam yeah, I already had it (since I have just about every column)

@rojo

I know what's going on

so basically the owner is whoever started the process. period.

@strugee That's the "User" though. What's the difference?

gksudo is ugly because you need to set root's display settings to match your own.

11:59 PM

I guess it gets changed by logind/PAM/whatever when you login. but for all intents and purposes, any process that you start, and any subprocess started by that process, will be owned by you.

Exactly.

Anything dbus is owned by root.