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1:42 AM
@slm gamut or no, at least those listed in the top 5 of his profile look like good questions.
Holy cow - @Graeme - you see this? Is there an "open with" command for the command line?
@slm did. Your prompt is your open with...
 
@mikeserv I saw that. I knew about this, not that I ever use it, will need to remember it is there though since it can come in handy.
 
Know about what? xdg-open? I just thought it was a funny qestion because everything you do is open with...
 
@mikeserv Ah, ok, missed that. Slow today...
@mikeserv you pick up some interesting stuff on here you probably wouldn't come across normally.
 
I will say one cool thing about Terminology is it incorporates the concept of helpers - by default its listings will hyperlink files and web links videos, audio, whatever depending on their xdg associations.
Very true.
 
I was just about to mention Terminology
 
1:55 AM
But in Terminology you can expressly define these associations as well.
It's friggin cool.
i've got my laptop using it as a window manager.
 
I downloaded it after I saw your answer about it the other day, but haven't got it to compile :(
 
Just it and Wayland.
What...?
There's no package?
You need all of the e-libs, too.
Just do a simple qemu vmachine - only arch live and install it via pacman.
 
I have all the libraries that I need installed, but for some reason gcc can't find one of them even though it has the right -L option. Was going to post a Q on SO about that actually.
 
Or, probably Bodhi would feel a little more comfy if you're familiar with the Debians.
Bodhi is nice, anyway.
It's small, fast, and pretty fun.
Weird it hails from Ubuntu.
 
slm
@mikeserv I was trying to answer the Q w/o torturing the guy for asking that 8-)
 
2:03 AM
You did a pretty good job, @slm.
I forgot to upvote you actually. Just fixed that.
 
At this time the @StackExchange core team is having the Git vs. Mercurial discussion. If you don't see us again, assume there was blood.
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git will win...
I mean, they host in github already!
 
What about turtle? slow and steady wins the race...
 
I'm incredibly worried now, that same questions was asked several weeks ago @slm in AU
 
slm
@Braiam - verbatim?
 
2:11 AM
no, he wasn't as clueless :P
 
Haha.
 
slm
@mikeserv I BittorentSync still needs to be further vetted dropbox is pretty insecure still
 
and that's what worries me D:
 
But BTSync is just you. Shouldn't need too much vetting. I use it and an encrypted image file hosted on google drive.
The image only holds scripts - it's tiny, but complete. And private.
 
2:27 AM
@mikeserv how do you know it's just you? when it's proprietary, you don't.
 
It peer - peer.
 
@mikeserv I know how the design works. my question is, how do you know that the application follows only the design?
there's no way to know without source.
 
Good point. I'll start using encrypted images for it, too.
 
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Q: '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lecore_input' but libecore_input.so exists when compiling Terminology

GraemeI am trying to compile the Terminology terminal emulator (btw this does some very cool things and is work checking out). However the build fails giving me the following error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lecore_input After some messing around with using make -n to print the commands being (or wo...

 
Though most of what's synced there is only binary anyway.
 
2:29 AM
Anyone got any ideas here?
 
@mikeserv or you could host your own sync service. it's what I plan to do.
in fact, I just got my server set up again yesterday with a brand-new Intel SSD. I'm super pumped.
 
I had that setup for awhile. I'm just so awfully cruel to my computers that their state is often in flux.
 
physically?
or cruel to the software stack?
if you keep screwing with the software setup maybe take a look at something like FreeNAS, that will reduce the need for you to do manual work?
 
I'm forever breaking and wiping the core. I don't want the need reduced - its what I have the most fun with.
I dunno how that one wound up with the coreboot team since I sent it to the efi kernel Devs.
 
2:49 AM
@mikeserv, no ideas on the Terminology compilation?
 
Well, yes and no. When I did it I followed first the instructions for Wayland, @Graeme.
And then...
Then I followed along with the instructions linked in here: e19releasemanager.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/…
 
slm
Sparkleshare works well
 
But you could just use a Bodhi package, too.
 
slm
It uses a git based backend for file sharing
 
I used TurnKey Linux's OwnCloud for awhile, - this does look better though...
 
3:06 AM
@Graeme - did that help at all?
 
@mikeserv Haven't tried it, wanted to find out why it wasn't compiling. I have found the reason - libecore_input.so is a dead link. Seems like a bug in the package.
 
That'll do it. Are you using e18? e19? e17? I recommend e18, for now.
At least until xorg 1.16
Their bug tracker is awesome.
It's an entire cms all their own.
Pretty, too.
What do you guys think about this? unix.stackexchange.com/a/124788/52934
Should I give him the bounty? It's pretty good.
I still wanna know what the hell DirectMap is - it's not in the procfs doc...
i guess I could ask another question...
@Graeme - @slm -- @strugee? I've never awarded a bounty before... Advice?
 
3:22 AM
@mikeserv you have to wait until the period is over I think.
 
What period?
 
@mikeserv did you not like OwnCloud? I'm using a hosted instance of it (with plans to migrate to my own server), and I really like it
in general
 
EEnding in 5 days. I see that.
 
The 7 day bounty period. Then there is a 24 hr grace period to choose the answer. I you don't award it then it get awarded automatically.
 
Really? Weird...
 
slm
3:25 AM
@mikeserv - this looks good to me
 
@mikeserv I have no idea, I just have a bunch of libraries with different versions, can't tell which release they came from
 
This was one of my best ever answers:
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A: Trapping errors in command substitution using "-o errtrace" (ie set -E)

mikeservNote: zsh will complain about "bad patterns" if you don't configure it to accept "inline comments" for most of the examples here and don't run them through a proxy shell as I have done with sh <<-\CMD. Ok, so, as I stated in the comments above, I don't know specifically about bash's set -E, but ...

And it was for a bounty.
But the bounty was never awarded. I didn't mind - and said specifically that it could pass me over because I don't know anything about -E
Oh, man. @Graeme. Get all of the paqckages from the ZEnlightenment site.
I'll show you. Unless you do it all through your package manager, you need to do none of it.
Just get all of these.
Default ./config ; make && sudo make install should work for every one.
 
@mikeserv Oh man, looks like you got screwed there. There has to be one or two upvotes or a right answer for it to get awarded
 
Then you can do Terminology.'
Well, it doesn't matter. I learned a great deal just writing it. It's an awesome answer.
 
@mikeserv I just installed all the deps from the Debian repositories. It is just that there has been a did link created for one of the libraries. I'm trying to work out if it is a packaging issue or an ldconfig issue.
 
3:32 AM
That's the problem. It's not going to work that way.
I think you only need EFL, Emotion, Evas and Terminology from that page.
You might also need the enlightenment package, but I don't think so.
e-17 had an entirely different core - it's like 8 packages that are all now in EFL.
@Graeme Debian is almost definitely installing e17 for you.
 
@mikeserv there are different versions of the libraries in unstable, maybe those are e18
 
Maybe, but the build is sure to be right and it's really easy...
Maybe you could also use Bodhi .debs.
I'm willing to bet there's a ppa as well.
 
@mikeserv I am wary of using Ubuntu debs, that can could cause more problems than it will solve
 
Point taken.
Check the versions. You're looking for 1.8*
@Graeme - this might be current enough : mail-archive.com/enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net/…
 
3:47 AM
I have libecore 1.7.7 in testing and libecore 1.8.6-1 in unstable. The unstable one is the one I have installed. But not all the libs are from unstable, so seemingly I currently have a e17/e18 mix
 
By the way, I also use the enlightenment DE - it blows Gnome away in both speed and flexibility.
Whatever you do, you're going to wind up halfway there anyway since Terminology and Enlightenment share all the same core deps. It might be worth playing around with installing it.
 
@mikeserv I am currently on xfce. Would be nice to try though. Installing an unpackaged DE could be big trouble though
 
@Graeme - yup. Seriously, just build it. It's really easy - and the instructions are all there on their site and included in each package as well.
That's a good point.
I think I'm gonna get Bodhi. I used to have a qemu command-line that set it up really nicely.
 
@mikeserv It is it the vanilla configuration doesn't play nice with Debian
 
Probably I still have it somewhere.
I wonder...
But my kernel doesn't have the --user namespace because of all of systemd's hacks..
That would be an excellent use-case - a namespace per DE.
You could just wipe it with unmounting shared mounts.
 
3:54 AM
What I'm trying to figure out though is why ldconfig would give me /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libecore_input.so -> libecore_input.so.1.8.6 when I have libecore_input.so.1.7.7. I know the best solution is to upgrade, but I'm confused as to how I got the dodgy link in the first place.
 
Here's another way I handle confining those kind of things...
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A: Is that possible to integrate zip and tar.gz files as directory into the file system

mikeservYou're either talking about a FUSE filesystem (filesystem in userspace - Linus calls them toys) or a custom compiled kernel OR squashfs. Squash is not exactly as you describe - you cannot simply mount a tarball for instance - not with the kernel supported VFS, anyway - but you can certainly mksqu...

That is dodgy.
Try uninstalling the lot of it.
And I didn't pointedly slight @slm in the above answer either - mine was first. He was just sure enough of his solution to answer it anyway - after the fact. And rightfully so.
 
@mikeserv does this not end up compressing twice?
 
You mean because I do compress-lzo?
No - that's an entirely separate file not contained in the seed .sfs
So you have two image files that you join as a BTRFS RAID.
 
slm
@mikeserv - Yeah it's always good if you can find an alternative thread to a Q when answering it. I try not to overlap other A's. On several occasions I'll even pump up a kernel of an A rather then make my own.
 
The first is in the .sfs - the seed volume - but the second is just a tmp file.
Check the link there.
@slm - yeah, you're right.
And I even said so in my reply to the asker's comment.
But the asker specifically mentioned compressed mounts and btrfs so I thought it was close enough.
Anyway, with the config in that answer the writes are compressed in the tmp file with lzo, but the initial seed volume is compressed with squash.
Here's a half-assed attempt at automating it all: gdriv.es/mikeserv/scripts/btrseed_samples.txt
 
4:11 AM
Dammit, I just accidentally did an sl and got that train going across my terminal after installing that daft package from earlier.
 
HAHA!
One cool thing about btrfs - which I mean to make work one of these days - is with those seed volumes and btrfs device replace you can actually install an entire live image without an installation process all as just a function of the filesystem.
But that's not at all relevant to Terminology - sorry.
@slm - this is a PAM problem, right? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/124825/…
 
there's a better solution to that problem than PAM
Hmm @iiNet I think you need to have a word with the guys running your AFL tipping site. So much fail... cc @troyhunt http://t.co/f1TkMx20jx
I'm just gonna leave that there.
 
4:28 AM
@strugee What is it? I think that must be over my head.
 
@mikeserv, I think I will post this as a question tomorrow - why the @*## would ldconfig create a link to libecore_input.so.1.8.6 if libecore_input.so.1.8.6 isn't installed and never has been installed.
 
I won't be offering an answer - I'm with you.
 
@mikeserv essentially what it's saying is: "your data is not vulnerable to Hearbleed because we never encrypted it in the first place. therefore, even though we're sending it in cleartext over the wires, your data is completely safe."
 
I get that part - but... is it to do with the other thing? Or did they just come together?
PAM, I mean?
 
Anyways, time to call it a night for me. I will take another look at this tomorrow. If I can't work it out I will just upgrade and trample the evidence trail.
 
4:36 AM
@mikeserv oh I see
 
Good luck @Graeme...
 
you gotta reply to specific posts... click the reply arrow right next to the star and flag
 
I hate clicking...
I just type...
 
anyway, a better solution that I can think of off the top of my head is to monitor the SSH logs with inotify
@mikeserv then get an extension
 
slm
@mikeserv It can be done a couple of ways. Here's how I wrote up using pam_exec before
 
4:37 AM
What extension?
 
slm
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A: How to log SSHD failed logins with usernames under OpenBSD 5.3?

slmSetting up a custom log for sshd I realize that there is the default option already setup on OpenBSD for logging so this is an alternative if there is something either broken or mis-configured with that setup! If you're having an issue with the regular logging facilities included with OpenBSD 5...

 
@strugee Do you have a recommendation?
@slm Oh well, guess op deleted it.
 
slm
yeah it would've been a dup to this one
 
@slm - I wasn't going to answer it. I was sort of hinting you should. I suck at permissions/shared computing questions.
I like to write shell scripts mostly - and I'm pretty good at that.
But the rest - usually not so much.
Though I do like the init questions too - apparently I'm an init zionist.
 
@mikeserv not in particular. what browser do you use?
search your browser's extensions collection for "stack exchange"
you might also poke around on greasescripts.org
 
4:46 AM
Chrome. I also Firefox today because I couldn't get pipelight to work correctly in Chrome. But, what do you know, it doesn't work in Firefox either. Dammit.
 
slm
what's the extension you guys are talking about?
 
I dunno yet..
 
@slm nothing in particular. @mikeserv is looking for one
 
slm
to do what?
 
I am.
 
4:49 AM
@mikeserv ok so first, Firefox rules Chrome drools, you should switch.
@slm keybindings for the reply functionality
 
I don't think so...
 
slm
which reply functionality?
 
@slm in chat
 
I do have Minimalist - I could whip it up, I guess.
 
4:52 AM
@mikeserv in order: Electrolysis is very much alive, see bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=e10s
 
Ok.
You should post it as a comment on the post, I think.
It's alive - but... non-op? For 5 years?
 
I've seen that article before; it's very old
 
It's 1 year old.
 
@mikeserv they were working on shorter-term things.
 
I see. That's a good thing - 5 years is long term for sure.
 
4:54 AM
because of time that was taken away from Electrolysis, Firefox now uses less memory and benchmarks JavaScript faster than Chrome. no joke.
 
Anyway, if I were going to switch it would be to Opera.
 
Firefox beats Chrome on the Kraken benchmark and the SunSpider benchmark
@mikeserv but... closed-source!
and, #1 feature that Firefox has over Chrome: it is more ethical.
 
it's not! It's like a closed source extension to an open-source browser. They only handle flash and the like with closed-source because that's what's necessary to make it work with all of the drm out there.
Chromium is probably the largest open-source browser project out there - built on blink - which is the fastest open-source render engine.
 
@mikeserv I'd challenge you to back up your assertion that Blink is the fastest.
 
I don't think I can back it up, honestly.
 
5:01 AM
in any case, Gecko has the least bugs as measured by the JQuery project
 
At least not off the top of my head.
jquery is pretty buggy though...
 
I will admit that if I wasn't using Firefox I'd be using Chromium
@mikeserv how? I've never encountered a JQuery bug.
they're pretty good
 
Very nice, very convenient. But you probably should back off a version or two in your syntax when you use it - bleeding edge jquery is usually a mistake.
I'm not saying it's bad - it practically runs the internet.
But it's probably wise to be a little conservative when you choose your version.
 
@mikeserv of course. that's good practice with anything that you deploy in production.
 
That might be more the fault of the various browsers, too.
 
5:04 AM
possibly
 
So we're agreed there. Still, jquery is just a helper library. It's best if you can know what it's doing.
 
JQuery does contain a lot of hacky code to work around rendering engine bugs. that's a lot of its purpose.
it's like a polyfill with a different namespace
@mikeserv yeah, when I teach JS I always introduce JQuery after we've done vanilla JS functions
 
You do a lot of web coding?
What do you think of less?
 
@mikeserv the CSS preprocessor?
@mikeserv fair amount
 
I read your saying you preferred Node to pearl.
That's cool.
Is it multi-threaded yet?
You teach it? I thought you were 15!
I go Node, yo.
That's what you said.
 
5:10 AM
@mikeserv I am 15.
@mikeserv is Node multi-threaded?
 
Whom do you teach?
 
other students
 
Yeah - is Node multi-threaded?
Oh, cool.
 
I've been the teacher's assistant in my technology class for two trimesters now
I don't teach it that often.
 
trimestsers? Man, the times they are a-changin'...
 
5:11 AM
@mikeserv I don't know. certainty it can be made multithreaded with Node modules. how much do you know about Node's I/O model?
 
Very little. Hang on.
 
@mikeserv not really. I go to one of those alternative schools. I've never seen a school with trimesters other than mine
@mikeserv it's async by default. all based on callbacks.
that's why Node is so performant.
 
I bought this and read it: nodebeginner.org
 
@mikeserv nice!
 
I went to one of those alternative schools. I was kicked out of high-school at 15 for smoking pot. I went to one of the alternative schools for a few weeks afterward. They gave me the pre-ged test and I did very well - they had no recommendations for further study.
So I just quit going to school and took the test when I was 16.
 
5:16 AM
@mikeserv pre-ged?
 
GED pre-test or something.
 
I don't know what that is
 
To guage how well you'll do on the actual test.
 
ah
 
I tried college then - but for the same reason I didn't want to go to high school I didn't really want to go to my college classes.
I aced all the classes for which the profs didn't take attendance..
Anyway, mostly crap gigs for the next few years til I started selling - first cell phones - eventually DVD X COPY.
It was a big deal at the time. Because it was a one-click css-breaking dvd copy software.
We had our shelf in Walmart.
It was my uncle's company - he used to fly a helicopter to work.
 
I started writing the newsletter - well, I started the newsletter - I got to talk to Lawrence Lessig - interviewed him. It was cool.
Remember Maddox? You might not.
maddox.xmission.net
 
@mikeserv are you serious? that's so cool
 
He wrote for our newsletter too - just cause Uncle Robert he was funny and wanted an excurse to pay him.
Yeah. I got in trouble in school in 8th grade.
 
@mikeserv never seen or heard of it before
 
The teachers all used Macs and their idea of security was At Ease - it was just a desktop manager.
I downloaded some hack to a floppy from AOL.
I stuck it in the computer and I had their system - it spit out their password.
I used it because I wanted to play Mr. Wolfe's installation of Sid Meyer's Pirates!
But it gave me access to everything.
 
5:23 AM
heh
so you were that kid
nice
 
I was just a kid - I told others. They told others. And I found myself in the principal's office. (Is that the right principle? principal? I forget)
Anyway, they took me out in cuffs!
They hired consultants to come in over the summer and they billed me - my dad - to me-proof their computers!
Mr. Wolfe got me a job at his brother-in-law's garden nursery.
I worked all summer at 13 years old and never saw a dime.
I told them - I can just do it! I'll do it for free! Take me... 3 hours.
They weren't buying it.
But DVD X COPY was awesome!
 
wow
 
Hollywood sued us out of existence - eventually some judge in New Jersey I think put an injunction on our selling the product. We had 7 days to sell off our stock because we couldn't sell it afterward.
 
ah
reminds me of something, hold on
 
That was cool - I was 21 years old. I was a wholesale sales consultant on commission. Mostly the newsletter allowed me to skate - I only had to maintain a few regular clients and didn't have to go digging for more, usually.
But that last week - because the injunction was on us all of our resellers would have to be singly targeted and successfully sued for it to apply to them - my regular clients propped up my commission check for that week to close to $100,000. I had just made drinking age.
I drank most of it over the next six months. Then I joined the Army.
 
This is a cool article. DVD Jon's case was used heavily in our own defense. But his was a criminal case, ours civil : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/….
Uncle Robert went head on - he preemptively sued Hollywood. The man was ballsy. He died some years back of cancer.
i guess it was NY ruled against Games X Copy, and CA against DVD X Copy.
 
huh
 
5:47 AM
Yeah, it was fun. But that's how I learned about the idea of proprietary code. And that's why Chrome's closed source - Hollywood.
Google would much prefer it, I'm sure, if they could open-source the whole thing - they don't make any money on the software. They make money on the ads you see when you use it.
 
yeah, I find Chrome really unethical
there's parts of Chrome that Google could open-source if they wanted to, though
e.g. the PDF reader
 
Maybe it is - but it's just a compromise. You think? I thought only adobe licensed pdf readers could handle secure pdfs.
 
and the fact that Google caved to the MPAA and kept H.264 in their browser is unforgivable. if they didn't intend on keeping their promise, they shouldn't have made it in the first place.
@mikeserv most PDFs are fine. see Mozilla's pdf.js.
anyway, brb. I have to switch networks for a netconsole.
 
Okeydoke.
 
6:22 AM
I've sent an email to the LKML. Let us pray that I am not flamed into oblivion.
 
6:48 AM
looks like it got through. but Gmane is giving me errors.
 
Me too.
@strugee You probably already know this, but you do need to make sure it's text only - no html formatting at all.
 
7:07 AM
@mikeserv yep, saw it in the FAQ on lkml.org. it doesn't matter anyway - I recieve a fair amount of HTML email, but I barely send any email to anyone who would accept HTML email so I just turned it off long ago
I remember distinctly, actually. I was emailing Eric Raymond about a small typo on a FAQ he wrote and I turned off rich formatting. I think I meant to turn it back on but I never did...
anyway.
weird - there's a message on the front page of lkml.org that's newer than mine, but mine doesn't show. anyone know why that might be?
in any case, I'm off to bed. night.
 
7:48 AM
@mikeserv interesting story. still waiting for that getting to know you answer.
 
Where's that post again? I'll do it.
 
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Q: Getting to know you: who are you and why do spend time on unix.sx?

Faheem MithaI thought it would be a nice idea if we could have a question thread where everyone posts an answer where they introduce themselves, talk about themselves a little bit, and tell the community their motivation for participating on this site (unix.stackexchange.com). Some SE sites don't have much ...

@mikeserv Great!
@mikeserv sorry about your uncle's company. must have been a lot of work and a sad end.
 
Well, like I said - I was 21 years old and I had $100,000. I didn't do a lot of weeping.
 
@mikeserv Ok.
 
I'm not much of a weepy type anyway. Though I did my share when Robert passed. The man was a force.
And Robert didn't just sit back and give up either.
That wasn't his last successful company.
 
7:58 AM
The web site seems to be still functional -> dvdxcopy.com
@mikeserv your uncle must have been quite a guy.
 
Yeah, but that's not what it was. Scroll to the bottom.
 
@mikeserv Yes, I see.
 
I told you about the singing and the Baptist family? He was the son of my grandfather the preacher - my mother's brother. They're both gone now - mom and Uncle Robert - but both of them could sing.
My uncle was also a phenomenal piano player.
He would sit at the piano - mostly before he got sober - and just riot it.
He wrote this song...
I'm trying to find it.
Mother's Against Drunk Drivers bought it I think.
 
8:18 AM
I can't. It was good though.
 
8:38 AM
@mikeserv I remember something vaguely. You said when you were in Hawaii you liked to sing karoake, because as a child you used to sing in a choir? Or maybe just sing?
 
Yes, both.
 
 
2 hours later…
10:42 AM
Have a good day everybody
 
11:21 AM
@mikeserv Nice work. You should write your autobiography.
 
I just did.
 
"They rejected outright my own counterbid for the work." I can't resist - LOL.
@mikeserv What, all of it?
 
Not all of it.
 
11:41 AM
Wait a minute - @FaheemMitha do you ask did they reject all of my bid or have I written all of my autobiography? Yes to the first and no to the second.
 
@mikeserv the second.
 

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