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2:49 PM

I need an espresso machine...

3:05 PM

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A: Closing the Vi/Vim Proposal

Since the Vi and Emacs proposals entered commitment so close together, it's inevitable that they would be compared to each other. But internally the conflict had nothing to do with the editors themselves1 and everything to do with Stack Overflow. Back in July and August, Shog floated a Stack Over...

Finally some actual data to back up the decision

@casey we used to have one but it broke

now it's just straight coffee and dew

@slm what data?

I don't think shogo is making much sense here. What's the point of having a community driven process if you arbitrarily second guess it?

Tag/Site         questions views score closed answers accepted answer TTA
                          median   avg      %     avg      avg      %   *
-------------------  ----- ----- ----- ------ ------- -------- ------ ---
Stack Overflow     8032148   248   1.6    4.5     1.7     57.5   88.4  24
And here are the Vi/Vim and Emacs tags:

[elisp]               2884   160   3.2    1.9     1.9     77.8   97.1  55
[emacs]              11505   227   3.6    3.3     1.9     68.9   93.5  68
[vi]                  1087   289  11.1    6.9     2.9     71.7   96.2   9

@slm Is that in the thread? Searching...

I wanted to know if questions got more and faster answers, and more views when asked on a site other than Stack Overflow.

OK, i see it

3:12 PM

new A

@slm that's one hell of a spoiler you have there!

what is TTA there?

@slm right.

@slm Oh. I was just going to ask that. Hours seems more likely though.

Time To Answer

I believe it's in minutes

@terdon bah, I upset someone during a game of Battelstar Galactica (boardgame) once when I said something about a character in-world that spoiled something from season 3. You know, something that aired around 8 years ago.

@casey :) Exactly, you never know when someone will watch something.

3:15 PM

hmm, apparently is really is minutes. that's amazingly short

a vi q gets an average of 11.1 score? am i reading this right?

hah

yeah that's what matters, if Q's are getting A'ed w/ a turnaround time of 9 mins. it hardly seems necessary to make another site, you have the target audience

yeah

@slm well, i do think the synergy of a specialist audience has something to be said for it. certainly in the case of emacs, which is very much its own culture. can't speak for vi/vim.

3:18 PM

everyone is so quick to make emacs a beta and jon brought up another important point. If that site fails it could kill the emacs tag on SO

and other sites too

@slm you could use the same data against an emacs proposal.

@terdon meh

@slm why? do you mean, if it succeeds?

@FaheemMitha I know, that's why I didn't think either proposal had merit

if it fails

@slm Don't follow, sorry.

3:20 PM

@terdon that's hilarious.

in the comments

@Jubobs: To be honest, I'd completely forgotten about your comments on Stack Overflow. I had to go look at your SO profile to be sure that's what you meant. I still think SO is the best place to ask Emacs questions and will be for the foreseeable future. If the new site fails to get traction, it has the potential to kill the tag on SO and fail to replace that resource. Splitting a topic is a bit of a gamble and Emacs might still lose. — Jon Ericson ♦ 12 mins ago

what does he mean "bloated Q&A site"?

@slm kill the tag, as in split the audience?

@FaheemMitha all of the other stuff you get with the q&a that isn't just the questions and answers and a handful of tags they were in on SO

@terdon that's hillarious

@casey bloat is a bit much.

3:23 PM

@terdon so we can never talk about shows now?

I know, it's one of my favorite Simpsons moments evah!

@terdon damn, way to go, posting spoilers...

I was planning to watch Star Wars, maybe around 2020...

yeah thanks I didn't know Darth Vader was Lukes dad.....

@FaheemMitha if the idea is that all it needed was a few tags on SO, then yes the addition of meta, mods, establishment of a new site (help center, site specific policies), establishing scope, deciding on new tag hierarchies and writing the wikis, etc sounds like bloat

@casey I'm not listening. Long live The One True Editor!

3:25 PM

@slm That's bad to know than knowing zoe is dead :)

@Ramesh who is zoe?

I liked his suggestion of communities around the tags instead, which makes way more sense

zoe barnes from House of card.

zoey is a fictional reporter on the show House of Cards (US)

@slm agreed.

3:26 PM

She get's offed in Season 2 which I didn't realize was going to be a big issue in saying anything about it

How can I Write a Bash shell script called “q2.sh”

this one

@slm I spoiled something about Orange is the new black season 2 earlier in the summer not realizing that not everyone binge watched it the first weekend it was out

@Ramesh @slm ok, thanks. i don't know that show.

@casey that's how we watch everything now. It's way more enjoyable.

We watched both seasons in like < 2wks

My wife was getting all antsy to watch Good Wife and such but let it queue up and then watch it

unix.stackexchange.com/questions/160404/doing-math-with-linux <--- would have made a great code trolling question on code golf

3:34 PM

@casey It's bad. It seems the OP did not even type something. Just a copy paste :(

I'm just imaging the most roundabout ways of doing basic math

4:15 PM

Can someone write me the script please?...I don't know how to do it! — Bijad Mansouri 38 mins ago

Wow.

@terdon help vampire: lvl up!

4:57 PM

I know we can't just close those, but in those situations we probably should, no? @terdon

Speaking of random tv shows. anyone watched the show "Sherlock"? I wouldn't call myself a SH fan, but it works quite well.

@slm Give in to the Dark Side. You know you want to.

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5:30 PM

@Braiam Too much work. Could you write me a script to gain my levels for me?

6:02 PM

@slm I did. I don't see why not, pretty much the definition of too broad.

6:15 PM

@derobert more incomprehensible game talk?

6:35 PM

@FaheemMitha Well, I didn't think that one was too incomprehensible....

@derobert Still didn't get it, though.

is ssh tunneling better than openvpn?

it's easier

but then you have to run a tunnel per port/service wheres openvpn does it at the ip address level

i usually use ssh for 1-5 ports that I need to get at, for more ports or multiple ips move to openvpn

oh cool.

1 hour later…

7:46 PM

@terdon - glad I answered this one

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A: Watch YouTube videos in terminal

You can download videos and/or just the audio and then watch/listen to them using youtube-dl. The script is written in Python and makes use of ffmpeg I believe. $ youtube-dl --help Usage: youtube-dl [options] url [url...] Options: General Options: -h, --help print th...

wow!

8:10 PM

@slm Still only worth a third of a cow. Also, unix.stackexchange.com/questions/160243/… :-)

Apparently Netflix now "supports" Linux. Great. Now all I have to do is switch continents.

@slm With the installation of additional libraries...

Hmm, are they a secret?

8:45 PM

@FaheemMitha - cacalib

I added details

@slm weird name.

@slm Thanks.

yeah

@derobert yeah, but it's had tremendous legs, I'm shocked

It's a nice boost when you're trying to break 100k...I can coast off of this one.

@slm i thought you already had

how do i search for "$" in less?

I'm at 99798

@slm yes, not quite there. are you going to have a party to celebrate 100k? With beer and silly hats? All you have to do is explain to your neighbors what you are celebrating.

8:49 PM

99808 now

we should do a countdown.

well, wouldn't you know, it's \$. yay.

@Ramesh - I'm already at 215 for today

capped out

need 15's

it'll happen over the weekend

@slm damn. :(

So that 10 goes to community now?

you can take the vote back and put it to use on something else

it goes towards badges but nothing else

9:29 PM

good you edited. Now, I will uv it later.

@Ramesh - yeah I added more details on how to use mplayer caching to get it to play in your term + the tricks to improve the quality using a smaller font

9:57 PM

why would anyone want to play videos in a terminal?

@FaheemMitha I said that yesterday....

@Braiam Did anyone respond?

10:14 PM

grrr

0

Q: How can I update BASH

How can I update BASH? I noticed that there are version 4.2.45 env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" this is a test cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 5.11 (Final) rpm -q bash bash-3.2-33.el5_11.4 yum update bash Setting up Update Process No Packages marked for U...

bash centos security upgrade shellshock

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Q: Shellshock - not vulnerable with bash version 4.1?

We have several Amazon servers. It has bash version 4.1.2. Kaspersky claims that all bash versions up to 4.3 are unsafe. When I do this test... env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c 'echo hello' ... it returns: hello, and even though Lifehacker says that I should get an error back: bash: w...

bash security version shellshock

I want to close the first as a duplicate of the second, because the first has a better answer (mine), but my answer isn't upvoted

@Gilles do we need "why X version doesn't present Y vulnerability" generic question?

@Braiam I think we have, I looked for it yesterday, but couldn't find it

maybe you are thinking about infosec.se one?

ah, perhaps

and thanks for the upvote

ah, maybe I'm thinking of a similar question for heartbleed

yeah, that's likely

10:21 PM

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Q: Openssl upgraded via apt-get, `openssl version` showing previous version

I am running Debian Wheezy. I have just upgraded my system and should have the latest version of openssl (1.0.1g which fixes a critical bug), but it does not appear to be being used. I have run: apt-get update apt-get upgrade dpkg -s openssl shows: Version: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 openssl version sh...

debian package-management upgrade openssl

meh

we should write a generic question and close both the shellshock one and the heartbleed one as dupes

2 hours later…

11:53 PM

I'm getting a strange error message inside a chroot:

unknown user 'geoclue' in statoverride file

when running apt-get install/upgrade. does anyone have any idea where it might be coming from?

nm, some package called geoclue was installed. never heard of it. purtged it; seems to have solved the problem. can't be bothered to investigate further

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