/dev/chat

12:00 AM

But I have a conference call to start now, I wonder if everyone is home. They may have been delayed by the snow. Guess I'll find out.

terdon

@strugee LDME

$ apt policy upstart sysvinit systemd
upstart:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 1.6.1-1
  Version table:
     1.6.1-1 0
        500 lmde-mirror.gwendallebihan.net/latest testing/main amd64 Packages
sysvinit:
  Installed: 2.88dsf-43
  Candidate: 2.88dsf-43
  Version table:
 *** 2.88dsf-43 0
        500 lmde-mirror.gwendallebihan.net/latest testing/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
systemd:
  Installed: 44-12
  Candidate: 44-12
  Version table:
 *** 44-12 0
        500 lmde-mirror.gwendallebihan.net/latest testing/main amd64 Packages

Braiam

systemd + sysvinit

terdon

So I have both sysvinit and systemd packages installed. But which am I currently using?

strugee

run systemctl and see if it connects to the systemd dbus interface

terdon

Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.

strugee

12:01 AM

then you booted with sysvinit

terdon

OK

Is there really no way of getting this information reliably?

This seems to suggest that there is not:

6

Q: Bash- detect init system

This may have more to do with detecting operating systems, but I specifically need the init system currently in use on the system. Fedora 15 now uses systemd, Ubuntu uses Upstart, while others use variations of System V. I have an application that I am writing to be a cross-platform daemon. Th...

Braiam

ps ax | grep system D:

terdon

I mean, OK, you guys told me how to distinguish between systemd and sysvinit but can't I find this out from the system somehow?

@Braiam I'd tried that :)

Braiam

ps ax | grep system
 2798 ?        Ss     0:07 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
 3365 ?        S      0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
 4065 ?        Sl     0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py
26991 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep system

terdon

$ ps ax | grep system
 3877 ?        Ss     0:26 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
 7842 pts/8    S+     0:00 grep --color system

Braiam

12:04 AM

dunno, but apparently I use systemd ;)

terdon

:)

Braiam

apt-cache policy upstart sysvinit systemd
upstart:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 1.10-2
  Version table:
     1.10-2 0
        500 ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 Packages
sysvinit:
  Installed: 2.88dsf-43
  Candidate: 2.88dsf-43
  Version table:
 *** 2.88dsf-43 0
        500 ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
systemd:
  Installed: 204-5
  Candidate: 204-5
  Version table:
 *** 204-5 0
        500 ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 Packages

strugee

systemd has a dbus interface that you can check for. that's basically what the purpose of running systemctl was

Braiam

systemctl
Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.

@terdon systemd --test

terdon

@strugee yeah, I realized, that's how I found out (thanks to you guys) that I'm running sysvinit

Braiam

12:08 AM

@strugee mine was err too, and I'm pretty sure I have services with systemd

terdon

@Braiam what am I looking at? Seems like a list of my mounts and details on shutdown and suspend.

@strugee you're on Arch, right?

@Braiam have you completely switched to Debian or are you still using Ubuntu too?

Braiam

err... I installed Ubuntu to figure out some 64bit weirdness

(always were a Debian guy :))

terdon

Ah, thought you were an Ubuntu guy who went Debian. Since you were so active on Ask Ubuntu

Braiam

@terdon meh, I just give a hand in apt/dpkg/software-installation tag (and some other interesting oddities) I am away of the whole unity/boot issues (unless is grub)

remember that first I was here, then someone migrated my question there, and what the fox say?

Gilles

@Braiam good question!

KitFox

12:20 AM

Hello, strangers! I am wandering through chat rooms, begging for views so I can get the 42 hat before it is too late. If you are so inclined, please view my question. Views are all I need. I don't care about votes. Thank you.

Ha.

Hahaha.

That is the weirdest jinx ever.

Gilles

lol

RegDwigнt

terdon

@kitfox whatever happened to a mod's dignity!

KitFox

I hope the fox was not mean.

RegDwigнt

Have some weird coke.

KitFox

12:22 AM

@terdon Hats.

terdon

Yeah yeah :)

Braiam

@KitFox wait, isn't 400 views in 2 days?

KitFox

500.

I am so close.

I am pathetic.

RegDwigнt

@terdon hats level the playing field. Mods are regular beggars now. Enjoy it while it lasts.

3

terdon

@RegDwigнt damn straight, finally managed to hit #2 at something :)

Thought you were a mod though.

(checks) and you are.

Braiam

12:25 AM

I have only 1 canonical question... it does get views, but not so many :(

RegDwigнt

No need to check. I'm blue. This is no SO chat.

terdon

@RegDwigнt so you are. I'm relatively active on ELU though so I knew you guys already.

strugee

@terdon yeah, I'm an Arch guy. it's a gateway drug; I can't stand distros that aren't rolling release anymore

RegDwigнt

@terdon right on. Though with only two hats you are seriously lagging behind!

terdon

@strugee tried arch on my older laptop and really reallyl liked it/. Laptop died before I got the chance to get to know it well though. It's probably be my next distro.

@RegDwigнt hey! I got 24 here. 2nd only to Gilles (and that's like being 1st)

RegDwigнt

12:29 AM

@terdon that's loser talk!

terdon

@RegDwigнt 42. FORTY TWO?

Argh

RegDwigнt

@terdon hover over it to see the total across all sites.

terdon

@RegDwigнt over what?

strugee

@terdon another potential Arch disciple \o/

RegDwigнt

@terdon over the number. In the network-wide charts. Then you can see how many hats that user has across all sites.

terdon

12:32 AM

Heh, you really got into it huh @Reg? Number two!

RegDwigнt

@terdon not by the total number, no.

KitFox

He's got almost 600 hats, is what he's trying to tell you.

Gilles

I'm curious if there's someone else with over 150

RegDwigнt

@Gilles Manish?

terdon

Yeah, Mannish I think

Gilles

12:33 AM

@RegDwigнt no

nor Rory

RegDwigнt

Last I checked he had like 147 or something, so I thought he'd be over it by now.

Gilles

Ah, Abby has 184

terdon

@RegDwigнt do you even have anywhere to keep them all?

RegDwigнt

@KitFox I am three hats short of 600. And you know what, I'll get them right here on U&L.

3

BRB

terdon

lol

RegDwigнt

12:34 AM

@terdon well you laugh, but I only have the Old Hat here.

KitFox

42

Q: How do I take a vacation when I'm wearing too many hats?

I've been at my current job for a little over two years, during which I've not taken a vacation or used much of my paid time off. I know that if I do, odds are I'll end up getting phone calls or emails for important issues that only I am able to resolve. I'm unfortunately involved in most operati...

vacation

You might need this, @Reg.

terdon

@KitFox :) Not sure if the accepted answer will be much help though

@RegDwigнt laugh? Cry, more like. One hat only and it's one I don't have!

Gilles

@terdon you can get it by joining SO in Portuguese

RegDwigнt

@Gilles you can get it post factum?

I thought the whole poine was you had to be a registered user from the very beginning.

Gilles

@RegDwigнt I think so

@RegDwigнt within 1 month, and pt.so is less than 1 month old

terdon

12:44 AM

I guess this is the very beginning for SO port. so you'll get it by joining?

RegDwigнt

Well that doesn't match the hat description or my experience.

@Gilles ah. Hm.

Gilles

I'm not sure if there isn't a restriction that you had to join before winterbash started

KitFox

@RegDwigнt Do you have your chat hat here?

RegDwigнt

@KitFox no.

But I just got four more hats.

terdon

need 5 different users don't you? C'mon, say something clever @RegDwigнt.

KitFox

12:45 AM

There, I got you started.

RegDwigнt

@terdon something clever @RegDwight.

terdon

helping along

Gilles

@terdon no, that's only the voting hats. Chat requires only two stars.

RegDwigнt

Yeah.

terdon

@RegDwigнt make that clever and original.

RegDwigнt

12:46 AM

I don't work on Fridays.

terdon

I thought there was one about being starred by X number of users.

RegDwigнt

Guys. You just put me to 602. You realize I have to get to 700 now. You're cruel.

terdon

man, addiction is a horrible thing...

Or was that ambition?

strugee

@terdon there's one for saying 5 things and having at least two messages starred

RegDwigнt

@terdon there's some badges for that. But no hats.

KitFox

12:47 AM

in RPG General Chat, 1 min ago, by KitFox

But it's not a problem. It's not really much affecting my work. I can stop with the hats any time I want to.

Gilles

@terdon or addition?

RegDwigнt

@terdon dedication. Devotion. Turning all the night time into the day.

strugee

everyone in my robotics club thinks I have a Stack Exchange addiction

terdon

@RegDwigнt He do the hat of life?

RegDwigнt

►

Very much so.

KitFox

12:48 AM

Is that what that lyric is? I never did figure that out.

Gilles

mmmmhhh... no.

terdon

Yeah, got the reference, one of my favorite songs

RegDwigнt

@KitFox the video has lyrics.

Use the power of the tubes!

@terdon yes, I was pleasantly surprised. You deserve a hat for that. Or two. So I'm back to 600 again.

KitFox

Right. Still 19 views short.

strugee

@KitFox link? I dunno if my view on my phone counted

KitFox

12:50 AM

19

Q: What does the fox say?

It is true that as a fox, I should know this, so consider this a spoilers warning. In a recent post, Geek Girl mentions that the mating call of the fox is a series of sharp, eerie barks and that this is called gekkering. This is supported by a citation in Wikipedia, but the reference is not one ...

etymology terminology fox-english spoilers

Oops.

Hang on.

There.

RegDwigнt

Up from #309 to #33 on U&L. It's been a pleasure. Thanks all.

I'd go for Boater but I have to go to bed.

I took tomorrow off so I could sleep, not chat.

derobert

@KitFox I visited from two browsers. Apparently that counted twice.

strugee

man, English Language has a really classy theme

terdon

@RegDwigнt yeah, right

derobert

@strugee so does Seasoned Advice.

RegDwigнt

12:52 AM

Jin is the man.

KitFox

Yay! Thanks!

strugee

@derobert /me whistles

terdon

@Gilles do you have any idea why zsh's emulate needs absolute paths? You're quite right, I was talking through my posterior there but I guess the issue is that your CWD is not forwarded to whatever sh session is run by emulate.

strugee

@terdon wouldn't sh emulation have to be run in process in order for source and . to work?

RegDwigнt

Many people, many native speakers in fact, do not realize that it is perfectly fine to end a sentence in a preposition, or to begin it with a conjunction. Or that "an SQL database" and "a SQL database" are equally correct. Ot that singular they is perfectly grammatical, and has always been. Or that the distinction between less and fewer is not a rule of English grammar, but a style preference of just one guy of whom we know the name and the exact year he invented it in.

Kit will hate me for the last one. But it's what it's.

terdon

12:56 AM

@strugee though @RegDwigнt is actually a mod there and should refrain from such shameless self promotion he is absolutely right. ELU is a paradise for language geeks.

RegDwigнt

@terdon how do you mean, I should refrain from promoting our site? That is the whole point of having a mod. Any monkey can reject flags.

strugee

@terdon maybe he feels comfortable around @KitFox's begging

KitFox

@RegDwigнt I don't hate you for that. I just think of you as a fewer man. ;-)

terdon

Though I have to say @RegDwigнt ending sentences with prepositions is fine but in them seems like needless cruelty.

RegDwigнt

If you come on over, you can promote Linux, too. And even Unix. I'm just helping you to actually come over, is all.

terdon

12:58 AM

@RegDwigнt And of course you shouldn't, I'm just teasing. I go around promoting it quite often myself.

Gilles

@terdon not emulate, it's the . builtin, it's unrelated to any emulation going on. Read my answer.

KitFox

Damn it! I'm not going to make it before 8.

derobert

@RegDwigнt "an SQL database" would seem to imply that you're saying it ess-cue-ell, which is clearly wrong

RegDwigнt

@KitFox you can only think of someone as a fewer man after having thought of him as a mucher macho man.

KitFox

Du bist der Ubermensch.

Gilles

12:59 AM

@KitFox you have 3 hours to get at most 12 views, of course you will

KitFox

Three? I have three hours?

I thought just one more minute.

RegDwigнt

@derobert oh I see you are advocating the Microsoft pronunciation? On Unix and Linux, no less. You are blowing your cover, man. Not cool.

KitFox

Because as we all know SEQUEL and SQL are two different things.

derobert

@RegDwigнt Microsoft calls it see-quel swerver too? I wasn't aware...

RegDwigнt

@derobert for all I know, and I know little, they invented it.

KitFox

1:01 AM

!!wiki SEQUEL

KitSox

Sequel

A sequel (also known as follow-up) is a narrative, documental, or other work of literature, film, theatre, television, music, or game that continues the story of, or expands upon, some earlier work. In the common context of a narrative work of fiction, a sequel portrays events set in the same fictional universe as an earlier work, usually chronologically following the events of that work. In many cases, the sequel continues elements of the original story, often with the same characters and settings. A sequel can lead to a series, in which key elements appear in a number of stories. Altho...

strugee

what just happened

KitFox

Damn. Kit, you are not impressing others as I expected.

RegDwigнt

@strugee it's KitFox. She's harmless.

You can also ask her to stop.

KitSox

HAMMERTIME!

derobert

1:02 AM

@RegDwigнt I think you need to read my message a little closer :-P

Gilles

@KitSox post

strugee

@KitFox en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEQUEL

Gilles

what, not implemented yet?

RegDwigнt

@derobert sure. I will read your message a little closer for three thousand dollars.

derobert

@RegDwigнt The best you're getting out of me is two views on your question.

RegDwigнt

1:03 AM

!!lego 41999

KitSox

@RegDwigнt I'm sorry. I don't know what you mean. Use the help command to learn more.

RegDwigнt

@derobert my question?

KitSox

derobert

@RegDwigнt Assuming you want to go for the 42 hat as well.

KitSox

brickset.com/detail/?Set=41999-1

terdon

1:03 AM

Hang on, you guys don't pronounce it ess-cue-ell?

RegDwigнt

@derobert I have it already, thank you.

Gilles

@terdon does anybody?

KitFox

I do sometimes.

RegDwigнt

@terdon I told you them's MS spies.

terdon

@Gilles I do!

RegDwigнt

1:04 AM

grabs popcorn

KitFox

Depends on who I'm talking to.

ess-cue-ell is of course more accurate, but most people don't really care.

Braiam

D: so much blue!

derobert

Sequel Swerver, Snoracle, I'm not sure what I'd call the IBM one, I've never used it.

Braiam

runs away

Gilles

@terdon how do you pronounce SCSI?

terdon

1:04 AM

huh, let me read the scroll back, didn't even know there was another option. Sequel, really?

@Gilles SCAZI

@terdon yeah tell me about it. People are crazy.

Braiam

@terdon in what language?

Gilles

@terdon mmm, a little weird but at least it's the right number of syllables

strugee

1:05 AM

@Gilles there's a Jargon File entry on SCSI that says how to pronounce it

derobert

Besides, it's not ess-cue-ell, we know from PostgreSQL that the S is silent.

strugee

oh nevermind, misinterpreted your question

Gilles

!!jargon SCSI

KitSox

@Gilles Were you trying to invoke me? Use the help command to learn more.

KitFox

Scuzzy.

RegDwigнt

1:06 AM

!!urban SQL

KitSox

@RegDwigнt sql Structured Query Language. The most common language used for accessing relational databases.

Gilles

@KitSox pfff, you're really going to have to update your bot

terdon

@Braiam Greek/Spanish (though they say esse, qu, ele) /English and French actually.

KitFox

blah blah, I'll get to it.

RegDwigнt

That is from Urban Dictionary? How anticlimatic.

KitFox

1:06 AM

:D

terdon

@Gilles how do you pronounce SCSI?

Gilles

@terdon no, French would be [skyzi], not [skazi] or [skuzi]

RegDwigнt

@terdon SCuSemI

terdon

@Gilles that was about how I pronounce SQL

Gilles

@terdon [skyzi] in French, [sku:zi] (I think) in English

RegDwigнt

1:07 AM

Yeah sounds about right.

terdon

really? Well, actually I first learned the word when living in Greece and my high school geek friends said SKAZI so I guess it stuck.

Gilles

Ok, the real test: how do you pronounce -?

RegDwigнt

@Gilles hyphen.

strugee

@terdon you'd better not pronounce it ess-see-ess-eye because otherwise you're clueless

terdon

@Gilles dash

Gilles

1:08 AM

@RegDwigнt you do not belong here

RegDwigнt

Not dash. Not tiret.

@terdon NOU. What are you doing. Not cool.

terdon

Depends on the context for me :)

Gilles

:12957203 no, that is sec.se

RegDwigнt

Do you also pronounce "d" as "b" because they look similar?

badwolf

@terdon sexy right?

terdon

1:09 AM

@badwolf yes I am. Why?

ls -l is a dash or a minus, 223-443 is a dash and ping-pong is a hyphen

RegDwigнt

@Gilles Hey normally it takes me more than one hour to hear that on any given day. A new record.

badwolf

:)) I'm talking about SCSI

terdon

@badwolf I know, just couldn't resist the cheap shot :)

badwolf

@terdon haha

RegDwigнt

in English Language & Usage, Oct 17 '12 at 18:24, by tchrist

U+0002D ‭ -  GC=Pd SC=Common       HYPHEN-MINUS
U+0058A ‭ ֊  GC=Pd SC=Armenian     ARMENIAN HYPHEN
U+005BE ‭ ־  GC=Pd SC=Hebrew       HEBREW PUNCTUATION MAQAF
U+01400 ‭ ᐀  GC=Pd SC=Canadian_Aboriginal CANADIAN SYLLABICS HYPHEN
U+01806 ‭ ᠆  GC=Pd SC=Mongolian    MONGOLIAN TODO SOFT HYPHEN
U+02010 ‭ ‐  GC=Pd SC=Common       HYPHEN
U+02011 ‭ ‑  GC=Pd SC=Common       NON-BREAKING HYPHEN
U+02012 ‭ ‒  GC=Pd SC=Common       FIGURE DASH
U+02013 ‭ –  GC=Pd SC=Common       EN DASH
U+02014 ‭ —  GC=Pd SC=Common       EM DASH

Anyway. What ever happened to my plan to sleep.

strugee

1:12 AM

@terdon I always just drop the pronunciation of - when saying argument names, but it's really a bad idea because usually I'm teaching them about some command and they don't know the difference between GNU long options and BSD short options, much less how to expand them while typing

terdon

@RegDwigнt you think that resorting to geekery will save you?

RegDwigнt

@terdon what, I need to be saved? Is there a rapture upcoming again?

I missed the memo.

terdon

@strugee so do I, I guess if I really do pronounce it for options it would be minus.

strugee

ah

terdon

@RegDwigнt rapture is ALWAYS coming, they just keep getting their dates mixed up.

RegDwigнt

1:13 AM

Also, you only call Unicode geekery because you like it and want to keep it all to yourself.

terdon

Keep trying to tell them, "horses, seriously? It's 2014 for Pete's sake!"

RegDwigнt

For everyone else, it's UNIcode.

I will catch some sleep before the rapture.

CU around.

Ouvert et haut !

badwolf

seeya

strugee

/me mutters something vague about the Plan 9 people gifting you all with Unicode

Gilles

Unicode is from outer space?

strugee

1:15 AM

@Gilles Plan 9 from Bell Labs

plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9

Gilles

Plan 9 from Outer Space

Plan 9 from Outer Space (originally titled Grave Robbers from Outer Space, or simply known as Plan 9) is a 1959 American science fiction thriller film written and directed by Ed Wood and released by Distributors Corporation of America (as Valiant Pictures). The film stars Gregory Walcott, Mona McKinnon, Tor Johnson and Maila "Vampira" Nurmi. The film bills Bela Lugosi posthumously as a star, although silent footage of the actor had been shot by Wood for other, unfinished projects just before Lugosi's death in 1956. The plot of the film involves extraterrestrial beings who are seeking to ...

strugee

@Gilles I know, the Bell Labs system is named after Plan 9 the movie

KitFox

Do I need to take the toy away?

terdon

!!help

KitSox

@terdon General help

terdon

1:17 AM

!!listcommands

KitSox

@terdon help, listen, eval, coffee, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, jquery, choose, user, lego, legopart, nuke, nsa, nano, wordwar, listcommands, parentuser, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, afk, awsm, color, convert, define, findcommand, fuckable, get, github, google, hang, inhistory, learn, keister, mustache, nudge, spec, stat, summon, unsummon, timer, todo, undo, weather, welcome, wiki, xkcd, youtube (page 0/0)

terdon

@KitFox Noooooooo, you still have fuckable? Did you miss all the drama?

derobert

eval? That sounds like fun...

strugee

!! eval ls

KitFox

Yes?

KitSox

1:18 AM

@strugee [object WorkerErrorEvent]

KitFox

Oh.

Eval doesn't work.

strugee

!!eval rm -rf /

KitSox

@strugee [object WorkerErrorEvent]

KitFox

And yes, I must have missed the drama.

strugee

sad times. your bot is clearly broken

KitFox

1:18 AM

I forgot it was even in there.

Braiam

!!eval 1-1

KitSox

@Braiam [object WorkerErrorEvent]

Braiam

ewww

KitFox

Slow learning today?

Gilles

!!eval [object WorkerErrorEvent]

KitSox

1:19 AM

@Gilles [object WorkerErrorEvent]

Gilles

at least it gets this one right

KitSox is a stopped clock

Braiam

!!eval return(object)

terdon

23

Q: Some issues with a recent action that was taken regarding the Root Access chat bot

I would like to discuss with some civility a recent action that has occurred in the Root Access chatroom. First, allow me to catch everyone up on the facts of the situation: Overview Q: What happened? A: Please see this message in Root Access chat. This decision is the primary reason for askin...

discussion chat

Braiam

..

KitSox

@Braiam [object WorkerErrorEvent]

derobert

1:19 AM

!!ban KitSox

KitSox

@derobert Registered; need 0 more to execute

derobert

let's try that :-P

Braiam

!!eval (function(n){return eval("["+Array(n).join("String.fromCharCode(65+~~(Math.random()*61)),")+",'']").‌‌join("");}(100));

KitSox

@Braiam [object WorkerErrorEvent]

terdon

Sorry about that

Braiam

1:20 AM

meh... walks away

Gilles

!!eval stop

KitSox

HAMMERTIME!

@Gilles [object WorkerErrorEvent]

KitFox

!!unsummon 26

slm

sysvinit is broken for desktop

KitFox

You guys are making me nuts here.

;)

strugee

1:21 AM

@KitFox what was eval supposed to evaluate?

terdon

@slm reading the backlog?

slm

servers is another matter

@terdon yup

Gilles

@KitFox no, we aren't. We only make stuff if you tell us to sudo make it.

slm

and i like sysvinit

KitFox

@strugee I don't have half a clue. I never made it through reading all her code. I added some stuff, took some stuff out.

strugee

1:22 AM

eh. I maintain systemd is fine for servers.

Gilles

13

Q: Make Me a Sandwich

Challenge: Write a makefile, which would lead to this behavior: % make me a sandwich What? Make it yourself % sudo make me a sandwich Okay Rules: Should work on a Linux machine, where the user isn't root but allowed to use sudo. Must not say Okay to any shorter make command (e.g. sudo ma...

popularity-contest

KitFox

@Gilles sudo make me nuts

slm

easy to digest and customize, but it sucks for dependencies of services

KitFox

I have worked in linux before.

And vax.

terdon

@KitFox sudo: nothing to be done

strugee

1:22 AM

@slm sysv or systemd?

slm

oh my god i missed like all the chatter

KitFox

@terdon snerkle

Gilles

Braiam

@KitFox you should merge ziraks root source ;)

terdon

@KitFox wow, that sudo did work! We've been wondering if Gilles is a bot or not...

2

KitFox

1:23 AM

Yeah, yeah. So they keep telling me.

It was all so I could learn how to use GitHub and practice some javascript.

slm

sysv sucks for dependencies, i've had to hack together many times to get network up but need to put commands in to start nis and then restart it to get the system started right b/c sysv doesn't have the abilities to do the dependencies like systemd

Braiam

in Root Access, 2 days ago, by allquixotic

!!eval 1+2+3*4/5

in Root Access, 2 days ago, by ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic 5.4

that's how it's supposed to work

strugee

@slm AMD you think servers don't need dependencies?

*and

KitFox

@Braiam Yes, see, Matt was going to fix that part.

strugee

can't edit on mobile

KitFox

1:25 AM

I just added some fun things.

terdon

@KitFox how long has @KitSox been in the ELU chat?

KitFox

Um...

Three months, maybe?

Well, I've had a great time. I might even come back and visit. Now I am going to play video games. Thank you for your help. blows kisses to all

terdon

Anyone have any ideas on this one?

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Q: ssh local tunnel to VM

So, can anyone explain why this doesn't work? Everything from remote host (192.168.1.3): ssh -L 9000:192.168.1.2:80 login@192.168.1.2 elinks http:127.0.0.1:9000 and I can see a web page. other host with www (192.168.1.1): ssh -L 9000:192.168.1.3:80 login@192.168.1.2 elinks 127.0.0.1:9000 ...

ssh kvm ssh-tunneling

KitFox

Duplicate IPs.

Wait. I'm not here. poof

Gilles

if that's it we have a dupe

slm

1:34 AM

@strugee They do but in general I VM most of my servers so they're very singular focused. So they need it less. Also servers don't have to deal with hibernation!

strugee

ah. what does hibernation have to do with systemd?

slm

sysv can't handle going into and coming out of hibernation (in the past) systemd can

strugee

ah. silly sysv. I wonder why

Gilles

@slm I never had a problem with that

strugee

hibernation is set up in the initrd, isn't it?

slm

1:39 AM

@Gilles - some services, automounting and NIS were 2 that I recall

Gilles

@slm if NIS doesn't work, I blame NIS, not init

slm

this was my fedora 14 laptop, within my lan at home I have a NIS dom and automount NFS, the issue was the ordering of things in how they came up and went down during hibernations and restores from hib., one issue would be when you'd shutdown network that would take down access to my home dir. prematurely, there was no order that I could construct using basic sysv stop/start orderings, this problem no longer exists since moving to systemd, for example

it's a longer story than the above, the simple take away is there are situations where sysv can't do it, but given it's age, and simplicity its done a great job and works 99% of the time

searchfgold6789

1:58 AM

Where are we supposed to report ALSA bugs? :\

terdon

@searchfgold6789 um, to the ALSA devs?

searchfgold6789

@terdon Oh. No bug tracker? (The link on their website is dead.)

terdon

no idea really

@searchfgold6789 bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/alsa-mantis

You can also report it to your distribution's bug system and they will either pass it along or fix it in their packages (or ignore it, of course)

strugee

I always thought ALSA was a kernel thing?

searchfgold6789

I reported a bug just now to kernel.bugzilla.org and there was a category for ALSA in Drivers, it all just seems disorganized and I thought there might be an "official" tracker.

slm

2:33 AM

@Gilles - you really like this problem?

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Q: Make Me a Sandwich

Challenge: Write a makefile, which would lead to this behavior: % make me a sandwich What? Make it yourself % sudo make me a sandwich Okay Rules: Should work on a Linux machine, where the user isn't root but allowed to use sudo. Must not say Okay to any shorter make command (e.g. sudo ma...

popularity-contest

Gilles

@slm I hesitated between three variants, I decided to make them more different and post them all

I find code golf boring but I like obfuscated or underhanded code challenges

slm

@Gilles - I agree, I've tried golf, but I don't really care if I can do it in 5 moves or 4, it doesn't really prove anything, it's a far better skill to make things clear for others to follow rather than obfuscated so that I can't even remember it in 2 months when I look at it. The challenge we did a couple months back was fun to me where we had to get into that system.

Gilles

@slm oh, we haven't done a ctf in a while

nobody's keeping track

strugee

3:12 AM

heh. reminds me of the time we helped a guy DoS some server

slm

the guy that made the stackapp?

strugee

?

he was spawning thousands of curl processes and they kept getting terminated

slm

4:00 AM

different guy

i think that A was pretty weak by the way on the SD card.

i removed my comment

strugee

@slm yeah, I replied. I agree with you, it's just that your reply sounded like a canned message that didn't really address the issue

Caleb

10:44 AM

A little tongue in cheek:

in The Library, 6 mins ago, by Caleb

@JonEricson It's in the GNU coreutils release that most Linux's use, who cares about BSD anyway? Full POSIX compliance is for suckers. And ninjas.

setevoy

11:23 AM

Hello, peolpe :-)

Utkarsh

12:24 PM

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Q: can i have a virtual CD DRIVE in lubuntu 13.10

so, i dont have a CD DRIVE in my computer and i use bootable Pendrives to boot up my PC. now, my pen drive is lost. so, can i have a bootable cd drive which can install Opearting systems like that in oracle virtual box?

lubuntu

terdon

1:11 PM

@Utkarsh no, its not possible. The answer you have received is correct. You can install using an ISO image that is on your hard drive though. Have a look at help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot

Gilles

1:34 PM

@Caleb I think you have me confused with Stephane Chazelas. He's the encyclopedia, I'm the factbook.

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Caleb

@Gilles Oh, I'm sorry. I'll be sure to make the distinction it the future ;)

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