The Bikeshed

Abhi Beckert

12:04 AM

@Zizouz212 I updated my answer (opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/1753/…) to re-word what I meant

I didn't mean to say "it's not worth asking", what I meant to say is "if you ask, you won't achieve anything"

see the answer for what I mean

Zizouz212

Ah, alright.

Looks good :)

Surprised it got a downvote

Abhi Beckert

In my opinion once a developer doesn't accept pull requests in a timely fashion, the project is essentially dead and the best solution is to cut off all the deadwood and start over

It's a bad idea to try and resurrect the project after that point, I've seen it happen and it never works. Starting over however, can create a thriving project

Zizouz212

The issue there is the definition of a "timely fashion"

@AbhiBeckert I completely agree there.

Abhi Beckert

for example CocoaMySQL was dead, the code completely unchanged for several years... and then I made a fork (Sequel Pro) and it now has almost daily commits and tens of thousands of users

Zizouz212

Wow

Abhi Beckert

12:07 AM

I guess people need to use their own judgement for "timely fashion"

half the people who contribute to Sequel Pro today were contributors to CocoaMySQL, but the person running the project wasn't accepting their contributions

I've mostly moved on to other projects myself now, but before doing so I gave other people commit access so that's not a problem

Zizouz212

Sounds cool. Was it a single maintainer there?

Abhi Beckert

it was long before github...

but yeah, basically a single maintainer

now there are about 4 or 5 maintainers

Zizouz212

Sounds like a question: When is it appropriate to have multiple maintainers?

You know what? I'll ask it

Abhi Beckert

I think the answer is "it's always appropriate to have multiple maintainers"

the more the better... but make sure they're good people

Zizouz212

Well of course, let's get someone who will just delete the repository xD

Abhi Beckert

12:11 AM

yeah...

or just write buggy code

Zizouz212

Yep :)

Yaar, a question with no diamond...

Abhi Beckert

?what's that?

Zizouz212

@AbhiBeckert opensource.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators

Ah, I should probably get a meta post, that's like the third time I've been asked

kdopen

In my case it was pep8-naming that appeared moribund. But that was basically because the (a) the author was working on something more interesting and (b) the repo hadn't needed changing until a point release of python broke it

Abhi Beckert

oh

I think it's natural for a project author to move onto something "more interesting"

Zizouz212

12:15 AM

@kdopen Ah, pep 8 :)

kdopen

I hit the bug and raised an issue, but it got nowhere. Then I discovered the code-quality mailing list which discusses all the various python analysis tools like pylint, mccabe, pep8-naming, pep8 etc.

Abhi Beckert

for me, Sequel Pro already has all the features I want it to have and none of the outstanding bugs affect me... so I prefer to work on other stuff, nothing wrong with that

but other people use it differently, and have features they want or bugs they see all the time

that's why you need more than one maintainer

kdopen

That's how I ended up a committer on ... let see ..

Zizouz212

I think it's good to see people's thoughts on it. I'll give a sample project to make sure that it won't be closed as broad or opinion-based, but I'll ask it

Abhi Beckert

CocoaMySQL's binary release had bugfixes that weren't part of the source code release

Zizouz212

12:16 AM

And then... back to Freelancing :)

kdopen

yep, 3 opensource repos

Zizouz212

I've got two of them, but then the second I just got lazy and stopped -_-

I doubt anyone was going to use it, but then of course, it would likely be useful the way I planned it if you were running a small project

kdopen

Ah no, I'm alo a committer on json-c

Plus I've got one python module on pypi

And, of course, I'm the committer for about 200 repositories at work

the as in the ultimate authority, though others manage them

Zizouz212

You must have lots of fun :D

Abhi Beckert

oooh I just noticed we have 970 SVN repositories at work now

have to get some champaign for the thousandth one

maybe I should stick an easter egg in the "create new project" script

kdopen

12:20 AM

:)

Zizouz212

I have a million repositories on the job :)

kdopen

Yeah, 120 of mine have mirrors on Github

Abhi Beckert

what do you guys do at your day job?

kdopen

Chief Architect for an operating system

Zizouz212

Well... I don't have one. You're talking to a 15 year old who still goes to school :)

kdopen

12:21 AM

ziz does homework

Zizouz212

lol

@kdopen I get homework, but I don't bother

Abhi Beckert

"an operating system"?

kdopen

Yep ... webOS

Previously on phones and tablets, now on smart TVs

Abhi Beckert

oh awesome!

Zizouz212

Cool. So you probably made everything on my tv :/

kdopen

12:23 AM

It's not exactly a secret, my id will take you straight to linkedin and GitHub

Only if you have the latest LG ones

Abhi Beckert

I don't own a TV...

kdopen

Smart person

I own two, but only because I got one for free :)

Abhi Beckert

I use my computer, which has a plenty big enough screen, or my laptop

Zizouz212

Actually, case in point. My friend and I were developing a high-level API, mostly for use for junior student developers, so this will actually be a real question ;)

kdopen

The boys use it for their playstation gaming

Zizouz212

12:24 AM

@AbhiBeckert We've got a tv, but for Treehouse

Abhi Beckert

my housemate has a dodgy no-name brand TV, which pisses me off - you can't disable overscan so it's impossible to get clear pixels from my laptop

kdopen

The other one is only for Netflix/Amazon and DVDs

No TV service or cable/satellite

Which means complete control over what we watch - no ads, news, reality, etc

Abhi Beckert

I'm Australia so TV is a bit different here

kdopen

Take a look at my icon :)

Abhi Beckert

where do you live? I thought you were aussie but your profile says silicone valley?

kdopen

12:28 AM

Yep, I live in Santa Cruz and commute over the mountains to SV each day

But I have three passports

Zizouz212

Three passports?

I've only got a Canadian one...

kdopen

Aus, UK, US

Abhi Beckert

where in Aus did you live?

kdopen

Grew up in Sydney, moved to Canberra, then off to the UK and finally here. Parents moved to Tas

Abhi Beckert

I've been in Cairns most of my life but am currently moving to Mackay, until the end of the year and then I'll be moving again... not exactly sure but hopefully to Maroochydore

kdopen

12:30 AM

Gonna leave QLD and move into the 21st century?

Not to mention daylight saving

:)

Abhi Beckert

my closest friends live in melbourne and sydney... but I don't think I will

my girlfriend works for QLD education and it's probably too much to ask her to leave that job

kdopen

Nah, couldn't pay me to move back to Sydney

Abhi Beckert

Melbourne would be nice though

kdopen

Yep all 4 seasons in one day ... twice

Their bridge fallen down again yet?

Abhi Beckert

last time I was in Melbourne it was just "winter" all night and all day

kdopen

12:32 AM

... and that was in January

Abhi Beckert

nah it was actually winter... but definitely not what I'm used to

kdopen

and ziz has no idea about the various rivalries that I'm playing on :)

Abhi Beckert

in Cairns I can sit on the esplanade wearing a t-shirt eating eat icecream at 10pm on a midwinter night...

Zizouz212

@kdopen I'm listening... (but I'm confused)

kdopen

Lots of rivalries between the states in Aus

Abhi Beckert

12:34 AM

@Zizouz212 australia is a lot bigger than it looks on the map (due to dodgy projections used by most maps...) and this means the weather is extremely different depending where you are

kdopen

The old saying about QLD was that in summer it was 20years and 1 hour behind the rest of the country

Zizouz212

Ah, like Canada?

kdopen

Australia is almost exactly the same size as the USA

Abhi Beckert

yeah but our climate varies more than the US does I think?

Zizouz212

Ha! USA is smaller than Canada! :P

kdopen

12:35 AM

We have one sheep station (the US call would callit a Ranch) which is bigger than Texas

Abhi Beckert

right but all of canada is cold

Zizouz212

@AbhiBeckert It was 38 celsius today...

Abhi Beckert

sure, but how humid?

Zizouz212

Sorry @kd

@AbhiBeckert That's with the humidity?

Otherwise, it was 30

Which is normal for August

Abhi Beckert

melbourne is one of the coldest cities in Australia, and they get 38 celsius every year in summer

Zizouz212

12:37 AM

How cold does it get in Melbourne?

Abhi Beckert

I'm from Cairns where I don't think it has ever been as hot as 38, but because of the humidity it's one of the hottest cities in the country

kdopen

And my parents farm (north coast of Tassie) gets snow in winter, and 30-40 C in summer

Abhi Beckert

temperature alone isn't a good indicator of the weather really

kdopen

@Zizouz212 THink of it this way, the top third of Australia is in the tropics. The southern most point is far enough South that Aus can legally claim part of Antartica as its own territory

Zizouz212

@kdopen Wowz

kdopen

12:39 AM

And there's a 4 hour (not 3 like the US) time difference between the east and west coasts

Zizouz212

I don't know... It got to about -39 last winter, and it's been to about 42 this summer :/

Great! I'll have two questions to ask today :)

Abhi Beckert

yeah but your 42 degrees is colder than my 30 degrees in terms of how it actually feels to stand outside in the sun

kdopen

On the other hand ... the US has a population of about 318 million vs 23 million in Australia

Abhi Beckert

humidity changes everything

Zizouz212

Oh, Toronto is really humid. Any sane Torontonian will say that

kdopen

12:42 AM

Tell me about it ... Sydney was terrible for humidity

Canberra on the other hand was nice and dry

And if you can get away from the coast, California is great too. I went shooting earlier in the year in the central valley. 48C according to our thermometer

Abhi Beckert

I lived inland from cairns for several years... the heat there in summer was insane

standing in the sun could literally kill you

kdopen

The real nightmare though is Hong Kong. 1am, 40+C, 90% humidity

Abhi Beckert

but it's too humid in cairns, the water in the air keeps it cooler

kdopen

Yeah Santa Cruz is like that. You get a day or two of high temperatures, that produces a low pressure inland, and the marine layer moves in to "air condition" it

Abhi Beckert

cairns ranges from 23 to 31 in summer and 17 to 25 in winter

Zizouz212

12:46 AM

25 in winter?

Abhi Beckert

yep

Zizouz212

We get -25 in winter!

Abhi Beckert

yeah

that's what I mean, totally different climate

the real difference between summer/winter in cairns is the rain

kdopen

Well you're tropical so you only really have two seasons - wet and dry

Zizouz212

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Q: Is it appropriate for me to have multiple project maintainers in this project?

I'm currently the sole maintainer of an API that a friend and I have written. It is currently written in Java, and is designed to make a lot of the low level interfaces high-level, to help ease the learning process of beginners learning Java. It's sole application is in my school, where other stu...

Abhi Beckert

12:47 AM

we average 400mm of rain in january

and 450mm in febrary, 424mm in marge

*march

those three months are a killer

that's just the average. some years we can get ~400mm of rain in one day

and it will be stinking hot while raining, so you'll stand out in the rain sweating your shirt off

Zizouz212

Well, I'll have to ask another license recommendation soon...

kdopen

San Fran averages about 600 per year ... but with El Nino coming that will jump way up

Zizouz212

El Nino?

kdopen

Warm oceans ... more rain. Looking for it to break our drought

Zizouz212

Whatever... I wish we get rain. I love the rain!

Anyways, was my question a good question? Ways to improve?

kdopen

12:50 AM

Now, high temperatures + rain makes for a good time to walk

Currently, since it's not very active, and is only used within our school, updating and maintaining the project. However, since we are expanding it, and making it available to other schools.

That paragraph makes little or no sense. It's and 'if' without a 'then'

Abhi Beckert

@Zizouz212 you wouldn't love the rain we get in cairns...

Zizouz212

@kdopen Yep, fixed that :)

@AbhiBeckert Why?

kdopen

Used to hike through rainforests in NSW in the rain. Just T-shirt, shorts, and shoes

Then remove the leeches when you get home

Zizouz212

NSW? -_-

kdopen

New South Wales

Zizouz212

12:53 AM

Ah. Australia I guess?

kdopen

Parents had a farm south of Sydney with rainforest on it

Aus is a wierd mix of climates .. as Abhi said.

Zizouz212

I remember last year... Vancouver didn't get rain for an entire month :/

Abhi Beckert

some of our rivers can flood to ~15 metres above the normal water level

kdopen

In Canberra it could be 40+ degrees mid-summer. Then you'd drive an hour or so south, up towards the Snowy's and there'd still be Ice and Snow on the ground, with the temperature dropping to single digits

My droughts bigger than yours :)

Zizouz212

Ah, opinion based vote

kdopen

12:57 AM

No, there are places in Australia where it hasn't rained for 5 years

Abhi Beckert

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/147461/screenshots/tc-marcia-1.jpg dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/147461/screenshots/tc-marcia-2.jpg dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/147461/screenshots/tc-marcia-3.jpg

those are some photos I took on a drive earlier this year, showing the kind of weather we get

Zizouz212

@kdopen But isn't a lot of central Australia desert?

kdopen

Just need to see the filenames to know what those are about

@Zizouz212 Yes, but technically so is much of the USA

Zizouz212

@AbhiBeckert Looks serieus.

Abhi Beckert

I was just driving to my dad's house on the other side of the state (1700km drive in a straight line...) and it was perfect weather when we left home

Zizouz212

12:58 AM

@kdopen I thought it was mostly the west/south portion of the US?

Abhi Beckert

it was horrific, I was too busy driving to take photos of the worst parts

kdopen

Well that's a lot of the USA

Zizouz212

@AbhiBeckert Likely why I'm afraid to drive

kdopen

And if they didn't pump water down from the mountains, a large part of California would be desert instead of farms

The north-south mountain ranges provide a 'rain shield'

Zizouz212

I think I've watched a documentary on that

Abhi Beckert

1:01 AM

hehe, we have to pump water out of the city in cairns

kdopen

In Australia they're mostly on the East coast, but the prevailing winds come from that direction

So that stops the rain reaching inland.

Zizouz212

Ah, our flag handling average is going to go up by so much...

Abhi Beckert

also the whole east coast of Australia has a single long mountain range

kdopen

But the US has long N-S valleys between mount ranges

Abhi Beckert

they're not big mountains, but almost all of the rain doesn't get over them

kdopen

1:02 AM

@AbhiBeckert which runs under the Bass Strait to form Tasmania and also under the Northern seas to form PNG etc

That's why the East coast is on the ring of fire

And why the coastal plains are largely sandstone (elevated sea beds)

Abhi Beckert

I used to live 2 hours drive inland from Cairns, on the other side of the mountain. Only 0.001% of the rainfall that crosses the coast gets to the other side of the mountain

kdopen

Yep and the other 99.999% fell on Sydney and Cairns ;)

Abhi Beckert

sometimes it might only rain once or twice in a year

Zizouz212

wow

Am I required to declare myself lucky?

Abhi Beckert

one side of the mountain is some of the richest rainforest in the world, the other side is almost desert

kdopen

1:04 AM

Now you're making me homesick

Zizouz212

lol

kdopen

I'll head off into the desert again this weekend

Abhi Beckert

not total desert, because some of the rain falls at the top of the mountain and flows into rivers going inland, but all the trees ned to be able to survive a couple years of almost no water

but if you go far enough inland, where the rivers end, it really is desert

kdopen

Yep, that's "The Bush" which you go through before you get to the real Outback

Abhi Beckert

which is why everybody lives on the coast in Australia

kdopen

1:06 AM

Yeah, what is it ... 80% of the population within 200 miles of the sea?

Abhi Beckert

there are only two inland cities, one (alice springs) doesn't really classify as a city and the other is the nation's captial and was only built inland because they didn't want the nation's capital vulnerable to naval attacks

Zizouz212

Sounds like Canada. A lot of people within 300 km of the US border :)

kdopen

then ther's a couple of hundred miles of wheat

Ooh they've changed history? That's not why Canberra's where it is

Abhi Beckert

really?

that's what I'd heard

kdopen

But it sounds better

Nope. The Aussie government used to sit alternate years in Sydney and Melbourne. They couldn't pick one because the other cried foul, saying it gave them too much influence.

Draw a line between Syndey and Melbourne, then mark the halfway point.

Guess what's there

Abhi Beckert

1:09 AM

ah ok, I got it wrong

kdopen

NO, I can imagine they'd prefer the naval Attack story

Abhi Beckert

as a queenslander the whole rivalry between sydney/melbourne annoys me

kdopen

It was probably a consideration, but the real one was political.

Now you see where it came from though.

The first two big cities of the country

Abhi Beckert

the only two big cities even today if we're honest

kdopen

it's not a real rivalry, just an in joke nowadays.

Melbourne lost

Just like the Aussie/POM thing

as long as you aren't a whinger

Abhi Beckert

1:11 AM

living somewhere like cairns it feels a lot like people who live in the cities have no idea the rest of the country exists

we tend to get forgotten in terms of government policy

kdopen

The US is definitely like that

Abhi Beckert

but we're not forgotten in terms of the government's budget

kdopen

Oh, not that way though,

Abhi Beckert

mines and farming in regional australia keep the country alive

kdopen

The agri-corps and the bible belt have way too much influence to be forgotten by the government

It's only places like CA and NY that balance them out

Abhi Beckert

1:13 AM

ok

regional Australia's population density is too low to have a serious influence on democracy, which is frustrating when there's so much money coming from the area that doesn't get spent here

kdopen

But the city dwellers and the 'country folk' each think the other are a different species

I don't think it's pop density here. I think its influence. The rural areas get out and vote, and the agri-corps vote with their check books

Abhi Beckert

half the people working in the mines in australia live in the city

kdopen

My parents started off in Wyallah in SA. Red dust everywhere

NO sealed roads etc. typical early mining community n the 60s

Abhi Beckert

there's a big scandal in the northern territory right now where shops are selling spoiled food, because fresh/safe to eat food isn't available due to shitty infrastructure investments by the government

which is just crazy, since there are trillions of dollars worth of mining assets in the area

kdopen

They were heading for Melbourne on the 10 pound assisted passage. But the company that was sponsoring us just said "Changed our minds, you're getting off here. We'll ship your stuff back to you when we dock in Sydney and unload:

Abhi Beckert

1:17 AM

yuck

kdopen

That kind of money should translate into political influence on the part of the mining companies

Abhi Beckert

sure the mining companies have plenty of influence, too much perhaps

kdopen

That was back in the days of "White Australia" etc.

Abhi Beckert

but their priorities are wrong

kdopen

So why aren't they exerting it to improve the lot of their workers? They're not philanthropists, but if the local infrastructure breaks down they won't be able to convince people to work there

Abhi Beckert

1:18 AM

also I personally think the people running the mining companies are idiots

Zizouz212

Sounds like a lot of Canada :)

Abhi Beckert

it's a joke the way they run things, and completely unsustainable

kdopen

Nah, just different priorities. Also, are they actually even in the country nowadays?

Abhi Beckert

they have huge amounts of money and waste it on short term unnecessary expenses

kdopen

They finished stripping Mt Isa yet?

Abhi Beckert

1:20 AM

which is going to hit them hard long term, as mining picks up in third world countries where the mining companies spend their money wisely

I'm not sure what's going on in Mt Isa specifically

kdopen

Figured it must be a hole in the ground by now

Abhi Beckert

in Mackay a lot of mine workers are earning more money than you can get as a startup programmer in silicone valley

kdopen

@Zizouz212 basically a mountain full of minerals and metals that they have been digging away at for decades

Abhi Beckert

and many are flown to/from work on expensive chartered flights

kdopen

Like the oil rig workers in the UK

Zizouz212

1:22 AM

@AbhiBeckert Sounds like a lot of crummy politics

kdopen

anyway, gota go

Abhi Beckert

yeah but it's necessary for oil rig workers

it's a waste for the mines here

kdopen

@Zizouz212 Is there another kind?

Zizouz212

There's crummy politics

And there's crummy politics :)

kdopen

and then there's statistics

Zizouz212

1:23 AM

That the crummy politicians don't like

Abhi Beckert

I just think it's unsustainable, and the economy is going to crash hard when reality sets in

kdopen

...or invent

Yep, been through a few of those over here

dot.com, sub-prime mortgages, etc

Abhi Beckert

yeah

kdopen

It's down to conflicting incentives

Abhi Beckert

we mine all kinds of resources in australia but don't do anything with them

it's all shipped overseas

mostly to china

kdopen

1:24 AM

What's good for the company/politician is not necessarily what's good for the country

Abhi Beckert

eventually china's going to get their resources elsewhere for cheaper prices than we can offer

Zizouz212

Yep, look at our country...

kdopen

But ... Australia doesn't have a large enough population to consume the resources it produces. What else would you do with them? LEave them in the ground?

That makes Aus a target for a hostile takeover

Abhi Beckert

no I think it makes sense to export the resources

kdopen

It's a problem with the economics of the region

Abhi Beckert

1:26 AM

but we need to be doing it at lower prices

or rather, be capable of doing it at lower prices

currently we aren't

you can get $120,000 per year cleaning toilets in a mining company right now

kdopen

That;s when the companies will cut back

Abhi Beckert

the companies can't cut back

kdopen

and you won't be able to get a job cleaning their toilets

Zizouz212

@AbhiBeckert Sounds like a good first job :P

Abhi Beckert

because all their workers are in powerful unions

kdopen

1:27 AM

Yeah they can ... seriously. Unions seem powerful, but only until the company or government is determined to break them

Watched Maggie do it when I lived in the UK

Abhi Beckert

if they tried to pay minimum wage for what should be minimum wage jobs, then the unions would drive them bankrupt

the mining unions are powerful

kdopen

So, does Aus still allow closed shops?

Abhi Beckert

(in australia)

I'm not sure

but I think 99%+ of mine workers are in a union

kdopen

(and the coal miners union used to be all powerful in the UK ... until the companies let them stay onstrike for a couple of years)

Abhi Beckert

that wouldn't work here

first of all, the unions also have huge government influence

kdopen

1:29 AM

Then eventually, the strike funds ran out, the workers were all broke, and they finally went back to work

Abhi Beckert

here if the unions want something, they can get it passed into law

kdopen

At the time, the Labor party was run by the unions -- officially -- in the UK

Abhi Beckert

they don't need to have their workers put on strike, I've never heard of mine workers going on strike

kdopen

It was the same in the UK. But the strike happened when the Labor party had an absolute minority in government and Maggie said "that's enough"

Abhi Beckert

ok

Zizouz212

1:30 AM

-_- 2 close votes... debating just deleting the question now...

kdopen

seriously, research the "winter of dicsontent" (I think it's called).

Abhi Beckert

anyway I think the mining companies should be making long term investments to get their expenses to a more reasonable level

kdopen

There were riots, beatings, etc. But the companies and government just kept saying NO and waited them out.

I agree, most companies should be forward looking

Abhi Beckert

I'm not convinced companies can be forward looking

kdopen

When the Labor party was voted back in after the strikes, the first thing they did was strip the unions of all their political power

Abhi Beckert

1:32 AM

surely the people running them aren't idiots, they're probably smarter than me

kdopen

But the people running them also know you shouldn't lend people money for a mortgage they can't afford

But the people running them get a bonus based on how much they lend out

Conflicting incentives

Abhi Beckert

also if you refuse to give somebody a loan, one of your competitors will do it

kdopen

In the case of mining companies etc, it's the share price, earnings per share, CEO bonuses based on it.

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas

Abhi Beckert

and then they'll get a reputation for being easier to get a loan with and all the business from people who can afford to pay off the loan

kdopen

Well, not if they are applying the same 'sane' standards of risk evaluation

But house prices were gong through the roof ... a company could make a huge profit by reposessing

Then prices fell, people went into negative equity, and realised they could just throw the keys through the mail box and walk away

Abhi Beckert

1:35 AM

@Zizouz212 I disagree with everything congusbongus has said in his comment on your question

Zizouz212

I do too

Abhi Beckert

having a large backlog of PRs is in itself a bad thing

kdopen

Stop trying to pay the mortgage at all, and tell the bank "Take it, it's yours"

Zizouz212

@AbhiBeckert If it gets closed as opinion-based, it won't really be a help to anyone..

Abhi Beckert

I'm getting extremely frustrated by questions like that one always being closed

Zizouz212

1:37 AM

I tried to narrow it down substantially, @kdopen Any thoughts?

Abhi Beckert

to me the entire point of this site is about being able to ask questions like that

kdopen

YEs, I think it's why we're seeing such a low level of participation

Zizouz212

Let me guess, two up votes are from you two?

Abhi Beckert

I just hit upvote now yeah

Zizouz212

Figured :)

Abhi Beckert

1:40 AM

I think you should just leave the question there

who knows, a closed question might be re-opened in future

Zizouz212

Well, I'll see. If it does get closed, well...

kdopen

YEp that were me

Abhi Beckert

if it gets closed, ask on meta how you can re-word the question so it can be re-opened

Zizouz212

Yep, definitely will.

I'll raise my on-topic:licensing off-topic:everything-else theory as well

kdopen

I've been constantly trying to broaden our scope. 5 of the eight meta questions I've asked were slanted that way. And the 'Goals' question was prompted by me

But I've just about given up on that

Zizouz212

1:44 AM

I hear you, don't worry :)

In fact, that reminds me, is there any good puns with the word "licensing" in it?

kdopen

and I've just voted 'Leave Open' on the review queue

Are there any good puns?

NOw I really gotta go

Zizouz212

-_- Give me one!

Abhi Beckert

:p

cya kdopen, good chat

kdopen

Bye

Zizouz212

@kdopen See ya :)

For the record, I need to raise a big meta post about the [licensing] tag - fixing the questions with that tag, and rethinking the [license-x] tags. I think breaking it up could help: the first tag being [licensing] must certainly not help with project management questions

Martijn

9:21 AM

good idea Zizzouz. I can imagine splitting things up would help a lot. I don't know if we have any questions currently that would get worse from not having licensing as one of their tags

though take some time to formulate what you're thinking, and make sure that a single meta post is a single isolated unit

ArtOfCode

Feel free to drop the post in mod chat

Martijn

the license-x tags seem fine to me, but I could be convinced otherwise, and I'm not sure it's the same question

I'm more than happy to see if I can help you shape it up

well, not if it's in mod chat obviously, but otherwise

Martijn

10:18 AM

kdopen and abhi Beckert, your earlier discussion reminded me of static.fjcdn.com/pictures/…

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