Language Overflow

12:01 AM

@Cardinal the risk of child injury may work better.

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A: Possessive case with gerunds in a sentence

But for his disliking commuting is formally OK. A gerund is a noun and a verb at the same time. Inside the VP it may act as a verb—here, for instance, disliking takes an object, commuting—while externally it acts as a noun—here disliking acts as the object of the preposition for. The subject o...

Ah, yes, I forgot that word: horror aequi.

(E.g., I'm trying reading interesting writing walking thinking aloud.)

Damkerng T.

12:26 AM

I just tried watching an episode of American Horror Story: Hotel. It's somewhat like Japanese dorama! @snailplane The dialogues oozed dramatic and artificial quality throughout!

It's interesting in its own way, I suppose.

>
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=another+way+of+looking+at%2Canother+way+to+look+at&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Canother%20way%20of%20looking%20at%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BAnother%20way%20of%20looking%20at%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Banother%20way%20of%20looking%20at%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BAnother%20Way%20of%20Looking%20at%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Canother%20way%20to%20look%20at%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BAnother%20way%20to%20look%20at%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Banother%20way%20to%20look%20at%3B%2Cc0

I didn't know I was in the minority!

CowperKettle

1:43 AM

Friends will be friends

Damkerng T.

2:03 AM

:D

Morning

Morning!

How do you do?

How do you do?

3:30 AM

@StoneyB indeed! thank you

Anonymous

3:55 AM

@CrazyNinja The variety of English I speak doesn't have "How do you do?" anymore.

CowperKettle

Top of the morning!

Can a room on a floor plan of a pharmaceutical production facility be called "utility room", or is it only for personal households?

Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ

I would say it can be called whatever it is used for :-)

CowperKettle

4:10 AM

There are vague words in each language for which there are no alternatives in some other language.

The Russian original could be explained as "auxiliary room". All kinds of auxiliary, non-vital operations could be performed there, and some secondary importance stuff can be stored there.

Like a shed with all kinds of implements, but only in a pharma factory.

Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ

"Utility room"

CowperKettle

I know..

here are possible English translations

"back store" is hardly it, because a pharma plant is not a store

The literal translation from Russian is "Helping room".. auxiliary room is propably the best choice

There's another vague expression, "inventar storage room". This "inventar" could mean a trillion of things in Russian, from mops and buckets to cleaning rags to spanners to you name it.

"Stuff storage room"

^_^

Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ

Storeroom.

Storage room.

CowperKettle

But - there is a storage room too there on the plan, only it's used to store the key stuff, the starting materials for the production of the drug.

I should rename that to "feedstock storage room" then.

Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ

Extra storeroom.

Main storeroom.

Spare storeroom.

Anonymous

4:23 AM

@Sᴋᴜʟʟᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ Wikipedia says that it's mainly used in British English outside of the American Southeast.

Anonymous

However, I grew up in Illinois, and we had a utility room.

CowperKettle

so, "utility room" is for personal household only, not for factories?

We had a utility room in Siberia, onl it was called "kladovka" and was tiny.

Ah. No. That was "storage room", probably. We did laundry in the bathroom.

Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ

I like "feedstock room."

:-)

CowperKettle

(0:

"Filling room entry airlock" O_O

In Russian, it is "passing-through airlock", but there's no such word in English

"Filling room admission airlock"? No, 'entry' seems better

Hm. Or simply "Filling room airlock". It would be clear from the floor plan that it's an airlock leading in and out of the filling room.

There's the "Syringe filling room", and prior to it.. "Syringe feeding-in room"? (The cleanliness class C room in which empty syringes are being fed into the filling room)

"Syringe serving room"

"Syringe submitting room" (no)

> - Oh teacher, how did you gain the knowledge of nirvana?
- Well, I just downloaded a couple of albums

Anonymous

4:51 AM

@CowperKettle Maybe so. I don't have much knowledge of factories.

CowperKettle

5:11 AM

nods

CowperKettle

5:21 AM

(lurking mode; busy translating)

Damkerng T.

10:30 AM

-1

Q: How to parse "have something/someone + -ing"

In an interview with Jimmy Fallon, Obama talked about his daughters growing up in the White House (source): They've handled it so well, they are just wonderful girls, they are smart and funny, but most importantly they are kind, they don't have an attitude. That was the thing Michelle and I w...

present-participle

@Araucaria Even though the OP's writing is a bit confusing, I think it needs someone like you (or @StoneyB or @snailboat) to explain the point.

Basically, we can ignore their alternatives for the meaning of that part (you've guys saluting).

I think they try to decide whether they should read it as you've got guys (saluting) or as you've got [ guys saluting ].

@Leo Let me give you a to-infinitive example to illustrate what I think is the difference between (1) and (2). In I want someone to answer my question, to answer my question cannot be construed as modifying someone, as in (1), but only as part of a more complex construction, as in (2). — JK2 Jul 12 at 5:35

In other words, you've got guys saluting is just an example of the real question.

Cardinal

Which one(s) is (are) natural or correct?

1. To realize our full potentials
2. To release our full potentials
3. To free our full potentials
4. To unleash our full potentials
5. To fulfill our full potentials
6. To reach our full potentials

Damkerng T.

How are you going to use it (or them)?

Cardinal

Good local sun position @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

LOL -- Good evening!

Cardinal

I just curious to learn the best collocations

Damkerng T.

10:37 AM

Hmm... they're not real collocations, I suppose. (Then again, some of them are.)

I guess I'm not a big fan of collocations.

I'm a fan of real sentences, though!

Cardinal

From your comment, I can guess they can be used in different contexts

Damkerng T.

Several of them, yes, but probably not all of them.

Cardinal

And they can all be valid somehow

nods

In this stage, I just want to avoid creating odd combinations of words

Damkerng T.

BTW, potential is commonly used uncountably.

Using potentials could be more problematic than the choice of other words in your phrases.

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. nods yes, I see

Yes, I must change potentials with potential

It is wrong

Thanks

Damkerng T.

10:42 AM

Sure! :D

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Q: What does "reporting lapses" mean in this sentence?

"While the German lender was fined 300,000 rubles for reporting lapses related to the money-laundering case, it’s still under investigation in London and New York." source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-15/the-latest-weapon-russia-is-wielding-to-punish-its-wayward-banks

meaning-in-context

Hmm... this reporting lapses is a little strange, I think.

V.V.

Good time of the day.

Damkerng T.

I wouldn't read it that way out of context. (In other words, I have to rely on the context to understand it in this sentence.)

Hello, @V.V.!

I suppose that we would normally be rewarded (not fined) for reporting lapses (of someone else's)!

Cardinal

I found this very convincing @DamkerngT.
http://ell.stackexchange.com/a/96170/21666

hello Stoney

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal I found it irrelevant, though.

I'm pretty they missed the point of the OP.

Cardinal

So, you think the answer is wrong ? :s

StoneyB

10:50 AM

@DamkerngT. It's sorta garden-pathy, but I think what's meant is "lapses in reporting": that is, failure to report what they should have reported.

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal No, it's not wrong, but it wasn't direct to the problem the OP has.

StoneyB

hi Cardinal -- just around for a couple minutes before I pack up and go to work.

Damkerng T.

@StoneyB nods -- I had to re-read it that way indeed!

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. do you mean one of these, "you've got guys (saluting) or as you've got [ guys saluting ]", means something like causative sentences ? :s

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal Not sure what you mean by "something like causative sentences". I was thinking that the OP was trying to make a clear cut between possible syntax parses. It's somewhat related to catenative verbs (the OP's problem), but I know I can't handle the technical side of it well enough, so I probably won't answer their question myself.

I don't think their problem is really about meaning, but it's more about syntax.

Cardinal

10:58 AM

nods

Damkerng T.

11:18 AM

An interesting choice of word:

> On my mum's side of the family, my grandma has — not now, because it's greyed — but, she had red hair.

It's not because it's grey (or gray) but it's because it's greyed.

So I suppose that this 's is has.

Cardinal

Thus, I conclude "grey" is an intransitive verb ^_^

Man_From_India

@Cardinal i also have problem with transitive/intransitive. I don't use it much.

Cardinal

They look awsome

?

@Man_From_India What is the problem

Cardinal

11:44 AM

Whistleblower

A whistleblower (whistle-blower or whistle blower) is a person who exposes any kind of information or activity that is deemed illegal, unethical, or not correct within an organization that is either private or public. The information of alleged wrongdoing can be classified in many ways: violation of company policy/rules, law, regulation, or threat to public interest/national security, as well as fraud, and corruption. Those who become whistleblowers can choose to bring information or allegations to surface either internally or externally. Internally, a whistleblower can bring his/her accusations...

Whistleblowers are always criticized for making waves in the workplace.

Cardinal

12:33 PM

> Despite laudable advances made in technology, it can be seen that we cannot yet say we mastered our environment.

Does that mean:

> Although we made laudable advances in technology, we cannot we cannot yet say we mastered our environment.

Why would someone use the first sentence? I want to learn styles of writings.

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal To be honest, I don't like it.

Cardinal

nods

Damkerng T.

But it was quite popular. Maybe it still is.

Cardinal

What are you taliking about, I thought you were referring to the above two sentences

Are you talking about whistleblowers ?

Damkerng T.

I was talking about the style you want to learn.

Cardinal

12:44 PM

A-ha, nods :)

Damkerng T.

When someone unnecessarily complicate something, it's either a) they choose not to write it straightforwardly, or b) they don't know how to do it.

Cardinal

Actually I am a big fan of the option b)

Damkerng T.

Quite likely, when a) happens, they either a1) want to show off, or a2) worry that other people may think they don't know their stuff. When b) happens, it means that, um, they really don't know their stuff.

Cardinal

but, sometimes some sorts of writings are more pointed and sharp

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal For someone down to earth as I am, they don't.

(or aren't or whatever you think or they try to make you think they do or are)

Cardinal

12:48 PM

nods

Damkerng T.

But I admit that sometimes we have to write this kind of thing because we're expected to write this kind of thing.

Jul 22 '15 at 0:13, by Damkerng T.

in ELL's Cabin, Jun 3 at 14:48, by Damkerng T.

> "Simple English is no one's mother tongue. It has to be worked for."
--Jacques Barzun

People usually think that simple English is easy, but actually it's quite difficult.

It needs lots of practice.

Cardinal

Exactly

Damkerng T.

Something similar by Mark Twain:

> “I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”
― Mark Twain

Cardinal

:)) (Y)

Damkerng T.

:D

Cardinal

12:54 PM

modern technology has made possible [a spate of lethal devices]
modern technology has made it possible to [create a lot of lethal devices]
modern technology has enabled us to [create a lot of lethal devices]

I always have problem with using dummy pronoun in such sentences

Damkerng T.

modern technology has made possible [a spate of lethal devices] should be okay, I think.

Cardinal

in fact, to use or not to use, the problem is

Damkerng T.

Sometimes it's possible either way, but not most of the time.

Cardinal

I have never read Mark Twian books, But I really want to read the book which is about people living around the Micissipi river

Damkerng T.

One example is this:

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Q: "I like it that" vs. "I like that"

I want to express the following: You are blaming me for your lack of concern and I like that (in a sarcastic way). Which one of the following sentences would be correct? I like it that your lack of concern is my fault. I like that your lack of concern is my fault.

word-choice grammaticality pronouns clauses dummy-it

@Cardinal Nice! :D

Nihilist_Frost

12:59 PM

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Q: possessive pronoun "its" with noun

Is the following sentence, which uses possessive pronoun "its" without noun, correct? Affirming something's being white excludes denying it, because something's being white excludes its not being white. This book, for example, uses the noun "material truth" after "its" Denying an idea...

usage nouns dummy-pronouns

basically determiner + gerund

Damkerng T.

nods -- It's not really a noun, but it's a noun, wait but it's not a noun! :D

BTW, @Cardinal, if you really want to practice writing in that style, you could try reading more of that kind of writing, which is usually found in journalese, academic writing and legalese.

Two magazines I think are typical of this style (besides several newspapers) are The New Yorker and The Atlantic.

(Not all articles are like that, though.)

Cardinal

1:14 PM

@DamkerngT. nods Thanks, yes I like those piece of writing.

Is there any book which is specially for writing practices, sentence constructions, and writing styles ?

Or did see something like that

Damkerng T.

Hmm... I don't practice that kind of writing, so it's hard to say. I know several books that will tell you to write in the exact opposite style, though.

Cardinal

:)

That is nice

Damkerng T.

amazon.com/Writing-Well-Classic-Guide-Nonfiction/dp/0060891548

I quoted his book once here, in this room:

Jul 7 at 18:33, by Damkerng T.

> Clutter is the disease of American writing. We are a society strangling in unnecessary words, circular constructions, pompous frills and meaningless jargon.
[...]
Fighting clutter is like fighting weeds—the writer is always slightly behind. New varieties sprout overnight, and by noon they are part of American speech. John Dean holds the record. In just one day of testimony on TV during the Watergate hearings he raised the clutter quotient by 400 percent. The next day everyone in America was saying "at this point in time" instead of "now."

In other words, to learn how to write the "other kind of style" is to learn not to write "now", but to write "at this point in time" instead. ;-)

which, for many good reasons, appears to be difficult to (and for) many people. :D

It was the best format of e-books. It was the worst format of e-books!

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Q: How to use 'Give it a look/Give a look (to)'?

I was talking to my colleague today and said him something along these lines: Do you want me to send you the file so you could give it a look before we attach it to the release plan? Then, instantly, I realized "to give a look" might sound either too informal to be used with a business pers...

phrase-usage informal-english formal

> His: Do you want me to send you the file so you could give it a look before we attach it to the release plan?

> Mine: Would you like to review the file before the release?

I'm pretty sure that native speakers could make it even more natural, more to-the-point, and more concise.

Man_From_India

1:37 PM

@Cardinal i personally don't like it. I instead notice what a verb licences.

I also don't understand why that question got even a bounty.

Damkerng T.

I guess it's fair if the OP thinks they still haven't gotten a good answer.

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. fair enough, but it shouldn't be open this long. It clearly shows OP did nothing to solve that matter himself.

Damkerng T.

nods

BTW, @Cardinal, I just realized that there is another way to practice that style: read something old.

> From the other side of the counter it spread in circles no less helpful. It added dignity and ease to the position of the buyer, who was thus freed of the feeling that purchases were welded on him like shackles.

^A random sentence from 1911

(Oh, they're actually two sentences! :-)

> It is a collection of efficiency units, all converging to one meeting place, determined fifty years ago as a possibility in the mind of the Founder, then woven into the fabric of a dream, and today a concrete demonstration of original thought.

^Now, that's only one sentence. :-)

Cardinal

2:27 PM

@Man_From_India @Man_From_India What do you mean when you say a verb licenses something?

@DamkerngT. @DamkerngT. LOL, I like writing styles that can be seen in scientific books, and papers

Damkerng T.

2:46 PM

@Cardinal Actually, technical writing in scientific books and papers is much less sophisticated than the styles of those passages in your book.

Cardinal

yes, I agree

Damkerng T.

Even medical writing has been reconsidered.

amazon.com/Medical-Writing-Prescription-Neville-Goodman/dp/…

Cardinal

I will finish that book by the end coming week, It took me near a year to peruse!

Then, I will start to review and review

It is the third book that I read about the vocabulary

I am now more interested in reading

passages

Medical writings are really defficult

I cannot even pronounce some nouns correctly

(my sister is a doctor)

Damkerng T.

> Baby walkers are devices that provide preambulatory infants with postural support in addition to offering them the opportunity to experience bipedal locomotion. They are intended to simulate independent walking and by so doing, it is argued, encourage and even accelerate the early acquisition of this skill.

^A rewriting exercise from the book. :D

(The sentences are actually not very good.)

Rewritten:

> Baby walkers are devices that allow babies who are still at the crawling stage to stand and to practise walking. Some authorities believe that they speed up the ability of babies to walk independently.

See the differences?

Cardinal

nods

How do you create that vertical doted line ? I mean the line parallel to "baby","opportunity", and "argued" @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

3:03 PM

Like this:

> message

Output:

> message

Cardinal

> thank you, It's cool

Damkerng T.

Yay! You got it! :D

Basically, I use it when the text is not mine.

Cardinal

I see

Man_From_India

@Cardinal it means whether a verb takes an object, or NP, to infinitive or what.

Cardinal

@Man_From_India Perhaps since you are in a advanced level of English

I am a fledgling English learner who found intransitive verbs very conducive to avoid constructing protracted passive sentences {?}

Man_From_India

3:23 PM

@Cardinal i have very little knowledge about English, and hardly any knowledge in grammar.

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal I find your sentence weird on several counts.

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. this sentence of yours reminds me of the opening line of Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities.

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. It's good to see your comments, That was improvisation

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India It is! I was mocking the title of that e-book, though.

Cardinal

Would I know the deficiencies ?

Damkerng T.

3:28 PM

That is good --> It's good.

@Cardinal First, you tried too hard to use those "big" words.

The result, your sentence not only sounds odd; I think it's also ungrammatical.

> I am a fledgling English learner who found intransitive verbs very conducive to avoid constructing protracted passive sentences.

Cardinal

Nope, I didn't try hard, you have my word, it was spontaneous

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. :-)

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal Oh, then it shows that you didn't know these words very well.

Cardinal

just, the words come to my mind these days

@DamkerngT. yes, that is the important thing

"how to use"

rather than

Damkerng T.

Right. We can't just replace words with their synonyms.

Cardinal

3:30 PM

"how many you know"

Man_From_India

> It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair…

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Damkerng T.

Starred!

Man_From_India

And thus starts A Tale of Two Cities. Oh what a book!

Cardinal

@CowperKettle good evening

Damkerng T.

But, see, that e-book
makes
me
read lik
e this!

Cardinal

3:33 PM

:))

Man_From_India

Hehe

Cardinal

I have problem with these big words @DamkerngT. , I put a lot of time for them, I cannot put them aside, That makes me think I was wasting my time !

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. back in school days I used to do the same thing. But I used to verify the meaning and usage of every single synonyms from Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary.

And used them accordingly.

Cardinal

@Man_From_India That sounds nice

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal It hardly wastes your time. It may be useful for you at some point in the near future.

(I wrote "at some point in the near future" instead of "soon". Yay!)

Man_From_India

3:37 PM

I did a lot of mistake. But my teacher adviced me not every synonym can be used in a given situation. You have to learn their individual meaning and usage.

Damkerng T.

Another rewriting exercise:

> With current policy in healthcare research, in the United Kingdom and internationally, focused on development of research excellence in individuals and teams, building capacity for implementation and translation of research is PARAMOUNT among the professionals who use that research in daily practice.

Cardinal

I was dubious whether to use "expedient" or "conducive", suddenly I found that I do not remember how should I use them, so it was a long shot ! :D @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

> Comment: This sort of prose emanates from committees anxious to impress. It does not impress us – but its message is important. It starts with a complicated subsidiary clause, (With . . ., in . . ., focused . . .), then there is a complicated noun phrase (building . . . research), and it ends with a noun phrase (the professionals . . . practice) that is just verbiage: ...

I LOLed when I read emanates! :D

Man_From_India

Hehe

Damkerng T.

Also, that is just verbiage. -- LOL!

Cardinal

3:40 PM

what is wrong with "emanates"

?

Damkerng T.

Oh, it's not wrong! Not wrong at all! It's precisely perfect to the occasion! :D

Man_From_India

This is new word to me.

Cardinal

emanate from is a phrasal verb (?)

Man_From_India

Like eminent :-)

But there are similar sounding words too.

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal I don't think it's a phrasal verb. Just a verb.

Man_From_India

3:44 PM

I share the same opinion. @Cardinal phrasal verbs are like idioms, they have different meaning than their literal meaning.

Damkerng T.

By writing This sort of prose emanates from committees anxious to impress, the language of the comment matches the language of the source text, and that amused me for some reason. :P

Man_From_India

Not all verb - preposition can be termed as phrasal verb.

Cardinal

@Man_From_India I see

Damkerng T.

BTW, this is the suggested rewritten sentence.

> Rewritten: It is all very well developing healthcare research, but we need to be able to use the results of that research in practice.

Man_From_India

Clear n concise :-)

Cardinal

3:46 PM

idioms.thefreedictionary.com/emanate+from

Man_From_India

I wish the language in legal terms n conditions were as clear as this one :-)

Cardinal

If only wikipedia can be loaded partially here ?

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India I think Garner prefers clear writing to sophisticated styles as well.

@Cardinal A few things will be one-boxed (it's what SE calls it).

The ones I know are Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Amazon books, and Twitter messages.

Man_From_India

So does everyone else as well except a few old bearded breed of people from history pages :P

Cardinal

nods

Damkerng T.

3:49 PM

@Man_From_India :D

CowperKettle

@Cardinal Evening!

Evening all!

Damkerng T.

Zdorovo khrap!

Cardinal

o/

Man_From_India

(not to take it too seriously, and there is no logic) but when I made that comment you know whose face came to my mind?

Cardinal

A plaintiff must be able to understand legal terms :))

The word "plaintiff", I learned today

Damkerng T.

3:51 PM

The plaintiff and the defendant.

Cardinal

Is it a book title?

Damkerng T.

No, they're the two sides in the court.

(Most of what I know about the laws is probably from The Defenders. :P)

Cardinal

> Cruciferous vegetables like cauliflower and broccoli get a bad rap, but they’re incredibly nutritious. “They contain the largest variety of phytonutrients with anti-cancer activities,” says LaMantia. Eat more Brussels sprouts, collard greens, kale, watercress, turnip, cabbage and broccoli to get a healthy dose of phytonutrients that help create cancer-fighting compounds.

Damkerng T.

Oh, it's medical stuff. I almost thought it was from The Cabbages of Doom!

Man_From_India

Oh I misread your sentence. I read it The Cabbages of Caribbean :D

Damkerng T.

3:57 PM

Haha!

Proudly presented: amazon.com/Cabbages-Doom-Richard-Edwards-ebook/dp/B006NAA6XW ($1.59 only on Kindle!)

@Cardinal That's a very useful and healthy tip!

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. oh so it's not for MAR? ;)

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India It's for everyone! :D

> After a couple of minutes of continued repose, he began to experience a feeling of exuberance. He had brushed with death and survived!

See, The Cabbages of Doom has got some nice grammar and vocabulary!

Man_From_India

I saw an "A" level over there, and thought MAR should be kept out of this :-)

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India Haha!

Maybe a little, I think!

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. sounds interesting. Did you read it?

Damkerng T.

4:02 PM

Yes! I bought it a couple months ago. Almost finish it, but not yet.

Man_From_India

I started reading A thousand splendid sun, only one chapter through. Do get very little time to read :-(

Damkerng T.

I haven't read anything in my free time this month!

Man_From_India

And whenever I get free time, I'm so tired. Don't feel like reading anything :-(

Araucaria

@StoneyB I starred it because now I've removed my original comment noone will know what it's referring to!

Man_From_India

I wish I could write a story!

Damkerng T.

4:05 PM

@Man_From_India I wish I could read your story!

Good tide! @Araucaria

Man_From_India

All blame to my lack of energy.

@Araucaria I have very little luck this time, mate :( F.E deleted a lot of comments, really hard to fetch anything from Quora when I have hardly any info. I'm really sorry dude.

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. I found Readers digests very intersting

You can learn a lot of things, especially general information

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal I haven't read it for a while. I haven't read much of it, in fact. But what did you find interesting, anyway?

Oh, I see. I take it that the veggies thing up there was from Reader's Digest.

Araucaria

4:25 PM

@Man_From_India Thanks for trying old bean. If you do bump into him again let me know!

@DamkerngT. Hi, Bye! Taking my Ss to the pub!

Ciao everyone!

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. Exactly

Man_From_India

@Araucaria sure, mate.

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria Have a nice evening!

Catija

5:13 PM

As far as I am aware, there are no differences between how you treat commas with "and" or with "or" in lists... Is there a reason I shouldn't change this question to read "before the final item in a list" instead of "and"?

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Q: Using commas before "and"

I have seen many sentences like this: "Capitalism, Socialism, and Anarchism" and this: "She was happy, and cheerful" Do we have to use a comma before "and", or is it incorrect? If it is not, then why?

conjunctions commas lists

I don't think we need to answer this question for both "And" and "or".

5

Q: Using comma with or

If i am talking about three people: John, Jane "," or Joey could finish the task on time. Do i need the comma before "or"? EDIT: This asks about using a comma with "or", not "and". So this question is different.

grammar usage punctuation

Damkerng T.

5:34 PM

@Catija The OP seems to insist on their idea, though I think the usage covers both and and or.

Cardinal

7:43 PM

Cruciferous vegetables

Cruciferous vegetables are vegetables of the family Brassicaceae (also called Cruciferae). These vegetables are widely cultivated, with many genera, species, and cultivars being raised for food production such as cauliflower, cabbage, garden cress, bok choy, broccoli, brussels sprouts and similar green leaf vegetables. The family takes its alternate name (Cruciferae, New Latin for "cross-bearing") from the shape of their flowers, whose four petals resemble a cross. Ten of the most common cruciferous vegetables eaten by people, known colloquially in North America as cole crops, and in the British...

V.V.

I liked that zdorovo khrap,lol.

Hi, those, who don't sleep.

Cardinal

I am struggling to pronouns bak-to-back /z/ and /d/

Hi

V.V.

7:59 PM

Is it difficult?

Cardinal

I am not sure whether or not zd is a single letter

Would you write the phonetics ?

V.V.

8:35 PM

what are the words wth this sound?

Good night.

Anonymous

8:56 PM

Wow, ELL didn't have a tag for predeterminers. I was sure we did…

Anonymous

9:38 PM

Words snailplane does not know how to pronounce, part ninety-nine: chelated

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Anonymous

@Cardinal Say was delicious.

Anonymous

Now drop the initial /w/. 'as delicious

Anonymous

Now drop the initial /ə/. 's delicious

Anonymous

It's not any physically harder than pronouncing the initial /st/ in star. The only reason it seems hard is because you don't speak a language where that sequence is allowed in onset position.

Anonymous

The rules for how sounds fit together in a language is called phonotactics, and phonotactics varies from language to language. When you try to pronounce a phonotactically prohibited sequence, it seems "hard" even if it's not physically difficult.

Catija

9:43 PM

@snailplane chelated? is that a portmanteau? Combination of elated and... chill?

Anonymous

@Catija Chemistry word.

Catija

Ah. I like my version better :P

Anonymous

See chelation on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelation

Anonymous

@Catija Me too. Chillated :-)

Cardinal