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12:00 AM
I bombed the last section, 2/6 I think
@DownChristopher How hard was the test
 
Very
Took right up until the end of class (50 minutes)
 
I wonder if my GitHub works as a Resume...
Or at the very least a Portfolio.
 
12:14 AM
@ATaco did you remove the command in the userscript that changes mathjax to a gif?
/$\pi$
doesn't seem to work for me
 
@MistahFiggins You mean a jif? or a Gee eye eff?
Wait link to mathjax ples
 
regardless of how you pronounce it, that's how its spelled ಠ_ಠ
 
@MistahFiggins can you give me a link to mathjax userscript?
 
@DownChristopher mathjax.org
 
I'm using this
the chatjax is working, but not the command to turn it into a gif
see line 27 here
 
12:18 AM
wow
grr
 
@ATaco :/ I can only win a shirt
 
@MistahFiggins Not intentionally, I'll have a look at it.
 
thanks!
 
@Claudiu: Well, that's up to its creator. If I designed my own golfing language, I think I would make it bit-based or encode all instructions arithmetically. — Dennis ♦ Aug 21 '14 at 23:30
Throwback to before Jelly and Sesos @Dennis
 
@ConorO'Brien How do you find these
 
12:24 AM
@ConorO'Brien Sesos
 
Jalapeño's encoding is being created along-side the language, and is both Character and Token based. Fear Me.
 
so skary
 
@DownChristopher I browse
 
@ConorO'Brien I remember that. :) When I start working on Jelly again, I'll probably move to a character set with a non-constant number of bits.
 
Oh, cool! Like huffman encoding?
 
12:26 AM
wazzat?
 
@MistahFiggins pls use google
 
@ConorO'Brien Similar, but not based on frequency. Each individual character would still be represented by a constant bit stream.
 
12:28 AM
Newline is currently Byte 1.
 
@ASCII-only -1 let me google that for you doesn't google
3
 
TBH when duckduckgo appeared on my browser I assumed it was a virus and promptly removed it from my browser
7
 
But Private Searching!
 
@Dennis oh no you might need to contact them with feedback then
 
"let me duckduckgo that for you" just doesn't quite have the same ring to it
 
12:31 AM
Jalapeño is not so subtly taking a lot of hints from Jelly as well.
 
Gif Converter now works, but it's still stupid, because the developers.
 
1:06 AM
ok, thanks!
 
1:43 AM
@ConorO'Brien Duck it
 
1:54 AM
@flawr OMG im dying
 
@Riker call emergency services!
 
@ATaco How is it stupid
 
@TuxCopter what is difference between envoler and voler
 
tfw you order 5g of thermal paste and get 25g
 
@ASCII-only It doesn't seem to support traditional MathJax
 
2:07 AM
@ATaco Example?
 
$\LaTeX$
 
Well, it seems to be working for most things now, so my argument is unbased.
But the point remains.
 
@ATaco What point
@ATaco Also, If you have a problem make your own server then
 
Maybe I will. Maybe I will.
 
2:42 AM
actually found a decent start to the actual melody for frigid2
 
OK seriously what îs with iPad autocorrect
"becomes" becomes noncomestible
Wtf is that
 
3:03 AM
> "Noncomestible" noncomestible noncomestible
wut
 
@Riker someone pranking you
 
Hmm... I seem to be getting different behaviours if I remove.add a println statement in this multiplayer game I'm working on
Probably has to do with threads
 
@Alt-F4 i hâd ți manuale Tyler that out
wtf
had
to
 
?
 
manually
Type
in The stârci bar
search
 
3:07 AM
rotfl
 
ok-îs-this-french-cansomeonegoogleitpls
 
idea
 
ok I think this is either a joke or you have a virus (or someone pranking you)
 
@Riker go to settings->general->keyboard->text replacement
 
Found it
 
3:08 AM
^
 
my lang was set to romanian
idk how
 
...wut
 
I knew someone was punking you
 
prolly bro screwing with this he was using it earlier
 
@Alt-F4 I think I might upload what I have done on frigid2
soon at least
 
3:09 AM
@DestructibleLemon Cool
 
thanks
> You have starred and pinned this message.
wut
(the anti-starbait post)
 
Yeah pinned just means on the board and you starred
Refardless of whether its actually pinned
 
@Riker (not for another thing i starred)
 
3:26 AM
I made my own version.
I wasn't kidding when I said I might.
 
@ATaco :O amazing
 
And with that I also have Node.js on my remote server.
 
+1 for node
 
0
Q: Python - How many square numbers bellow 100

Yam BI'm trying to strip down my python code to be as few lines as possible. The task: count how many square numbers are below 100. Here's my code so far: m = 0 for x in range(0, 100): m+=1-(-((-((x+1)**(0.5)-((x+1)**(0.5))//1))//1)); print(m) That addition statement adds 1 to m (the counter) o...

 
So the US just launched 59 missiles towards the Syrian airfield where the chemical attacks originated.
 
3:31 AM
Only 59?
What about a nice round number, like 64?
ChatCommands has been updated to use my own service.
 
@ATaco ?
 
My ChatCommands userscript, now uses my own MathJax image distribution service, instead of one that I pinched.
 
@ATaco make an extension for the chat commands userscript on stackapps.com
 
@NewMainPosts why close?
Tips are on topic
he's specifically asking tomgo,f code
 
Extentions are not my style
 
3:36 AM
*to golf
 
Viva la open source
 
albeit in lines
 
@ATaco ... all userscripts are open source
 
Extension != Userscript
 
yes it is
at least in this case
 
3:39 AM
I will put my userscripts up there, eventually...
 
plus it's annoying because i want that but it won't work because conflict with the one on stackapps
 
Also, I'm running both of those.
It, surprisingly, doesn't conflict.
Oh hey, it actually tells you the errors!
I used the packages mathjax-node and svg2png, So I'm not particularly sure what everything does.
 
@Riker hah. Hah haha
 
@NewMainPosts seriously, how is this unclear or off topic? Being bad doesn't make it that.
 
Hmm looks like SE chat mods needs a lot of improvement, I kinda want to do that but I can't for a while
 
3:50 AM
@Riker How is this different than print(9) I think it is quite unclear
 
You could prevent that by asking for $x$ instead of $100$
 
I think he's trying to calculate the answer, not hard code it, but true
still not off topic though
 
but it is unclear what he wants
 
Yeah, i do see that now
 
4:12 AM
@Alt-F4 @HyperNeutrino @PhiNotPi ^
plus anyone else who is interested
 
user165474
@DestructibleLemon Nice! Sounds a bit creepy IMO but I like it.
 
do you mean ominous? I wouldn't have used the word creepy, but thats the general vibe I was going for
also thanks!
 
user165474
Well right, that's the word I was looking for. lol
 
also accidentally made the song silent for ~ 3/4 of a minute. its not a bug its a feature
 
user165474
oh wait so there is silence at the end
 
user165474
4:22 AM
lol
 
on the plus side it doesn't immediately start another song
 
user165474
true.
 
so, I'm going to expand on the end. should I use a new instrument? also should I adjust the string settings?
 
user165474
I feel like sticking with the same instrument as before would probably allow it to fit with the general feel better, but it depends on whether or not you want to modify it a bit.
 
4:43 AM
Someone starred this ಠ_ಠ
 
I can unstar if you'd like?
 
Nah I like stars :p
 
4:56 AM
Hi
 
Hmm... how rare is Pokemon Emerald?
 
I was wondering.... How should I use all the OOP- stuff (function factory method, inheritance etc.) in a real life project?
 
Grats on finding a working Pokémon Emerald! — Axelrod 10 hours ago
I came across one eight years ago or so in a house we were moving into, and I logged up like 120 hours on it
 
Is it a common practice to use functional programming to code webpages having only 50-60 lines of JavaScript Code?
 
5:12 AM
Supports both inline and standard formats~
 
@ETHproductions Could you help me with this one?
 
And look at that, even fonts.
 
@DobbyTheFree-Elf My MathJax Website is 43 lines.
 
Could you give me the link?
Please
 
5:17 AM
It's serverside JS, and currently not open-source.
Although I probably will host it on github soon.
 
Okay
So, have you done something object-oriented in it?
And do you think that what you have done is a common practice?
Could you tell me the answer to these questions?
Please
 
In this case, it's relatively object oriented, but not by choice.
 
What's that supposed to mean? (scratches head)
 
I've used "Promises" which is a Dynamically Created Object, and MathJax returns an Object that I need to manipulate to produce the image.
To use the packages I want, I have to take the OOP approch.
 
With OOP-stuff, I meant defining own classes and objects. Have you done that too?
 
5:24 AM
I didn't personally use that at all.
When it comes to JS, I prefer not to use classes, as I feel they were never implemented right.
 
Do you think that's what the masses do?
 
From what I've seen, people prefer not to use JS's implementation of OOP, although they may use Objects generally.
 
So, it's okay to use the functional style of programming in JavaScript?
 
Of course.
Especially if you're just writing Javascript to run on a random website.
 
Relief for me! (sighs)
I thought I'd been doing it all wrong since the beginning!
 
5:32 AM
Most importantly, code how you feel comfortable, if you're working as part of a team, discuss what is best for all of you.
If it works, you're not doing it wrong.
 
Thanks for the help! (and the motivational encouragement, of course)
Bye, everyone! 👋
 
Bye~
 
@ais523 How do you know infinite loops are impossible in you language BackFlip?
 
5:48 AM
It is is because it is reversible
if infinite loops were possible, the path to a point in an infinite loop would be ambiguous and not reversible
(that is what I understand anyway)
 
The current Backflip interpreter seems to be down.
 
6:14 AM
-______-
I was just setting up PCi passthrough on the VM host for increased router performance
then I noticed that the WAN link was down
Then I went to the room with the networking stuff
I realized that my dad had pulled out the ethernet cables from my pfsense box and put his Cisco router back in, because "the internet was down" and "he had lost an hour of work"
It had happened like 10 minutes ago, everyone in the house was yelling at me for it
Now I'm back to barely 25 Mb/s speeds -_________-
thanks dad
Actually closer to 15
 
6:32 AM
@HelkaHomba it's reversible, has finite memory, and has no way to re-enter the start state
that combination of factors is enough by itself to prove a language has no infinite loops
also, voxelperfect.net being down is fairly major, given that that was the hosting site for esoteric files
I'd better report that
I have backups of some but there's a lot of information that might potentially have gone missing
 
@ais523 I'll take your word for it
 
@HelkaHomba you can try to prove it yourself if you want, it's a fun little problem and not all that difficult
 
I wrote an interpreter, I can't seem to find a way to permanently loop it, which is unsurprising.
 
I have a copy of the original interpreter, but I'm unwilling to "fix the dead link" until the fate of the Archive becomes clear
 
There may soon be many (near) BackFlip interpreters on ppcg if that helps ;) (assuming you don't mind me using BackFlip for the challenge I'm writing about you)
 
6:39 AM
not at all!
 
Kangaroo was also pretty simple and cool but I can't wrap my head around it enough to be able to make good testcases
 
it's fairly painful to program in
I don't think I ever tried to program in it by hand; it's more the sort of language you compile into
 
6:52 AM
@ATaco looks like the interpreter got moved over here: github.com/graue/esofiles/tree/master/backflip/impl
we might have to do some concerted link-editing on the wiki
 
As I said, I made my own anyway.
 
@ais523 on the topic, how goes Feather?
 
I don't talk about it :-P
actually I've been rather successfully not thinking about it for years
it's one of those concepts which, to me at least, sounds like it should work, but trying to work out the details just leaves me more and more confused
 
But is Feather ever going to be a thing?
 
in a way, I hope so, as it's a rather fun idea, but it really isn't worth the effort I've put into it, so most likely no
 
6:58 AM
So it's a language in which it revolves around it's children modifying it's parent to change how the children would modify the parent?
 
yes
 
esolangs.org/wiki/Feather in case anyone is confused
 
the time-travel model is well-defined, but unfortunately doing an operation like that naively tends to create an infinite loop in the interpreter, preventing it ever advancing beyond the time of the modification
so one of the major difficulties is setting up the standard library in such a way that you can make "safe" modifications to the timeline without causing a time loop (which, in turn, requires a retroactive modification to somehow prevent itself from being made in the subsequent timeline)
 
Are there any 2d languages where the ip can travel diagonally?
 
Not that I know of, but that's an interesting idea.
 
7:10 AM
I'd say hexagony's IP travels diagonally, but I assume you mean on a square grid
 
Hexagony?
Ninja'd
 
Funge-98 can send it in any direction that's a straight line
that includes the diagonals
 
@ais523 what about moving in a straight line that moves 1 x-unit and 2 y-units per step
 
yes, it can do that
 
@ATaco ... why not
 
7:14 AM
and although you can't specify irrational lines, they're functionally equivalent to a step of (0, 0) as you aren't going over any other lattice points anyway
 
@ATaco yeah? because it's newish = you lose out on potential audience, like how some people still use like android 4
 
Personal Greivences.
Also, I decided to make the / and `\` operators in backflip toggle when hit to see what happened.
It's interesting, but no more TC.
 
@ATaco don't they already do that?
 
@ATaco err, they do toggle when hit, already
 
Oh, my original implementation was wrong then.
Well, now it's right atleast.
 
7:18 AM
they wouldn't be flipping mirrors otherwise
just mirrors
(for people who don't already know, you can make a reliable one-sided "fixed mirror" in BackFlip out of a flipping mirror and a couple of arrows; it changes state each time you use it but its two states act identically)
 
@ais523 Oh, about backflip, just to make sure: the arrows point to the direction the ip came from, not the direction the ip was moving in, right?
 
yes, the direction it came from (i.e. the opposite of the direction it was moving in)
 
7:33 AM
@HelkaHomba there are also some where movement is only diagonal
Other languages that allow both diagonal and orthogonal movement would be Rail or Wierd
 
Now it's time for a non-regular grid 2d language
Except how would you type that...
 
One day I want to design a language on a Penrose grid. For that one my idea for the source code would be that you require one of the radially symmetric grids and write the code along concentric "circles" around the origin
The same works for yours, but there might be a simple mapping to a 2D grid
 
there definitely is, although you might have to leave some cells empty
 
@HelkaHomba I was gonna make one
but would just be a circle with cells around it and stuff
 
@HelkaHomba Well I'd parse it line by line, assuming you start on a hexagon (use no-ops or direction changing to start somewhere else). The next characters would be the triangle, square and the other triangle. Every other row would be the squares not in line with the hexagons
 
7:42 AM
@ais523 that probably works best
 
yes, I think ASCII-only came up with the specifics faster than I did
every other line would be half-density
 
@MartinEnder I was just thinking, with an aperiodic tiling and each shape hardcoded to a different command, could you just "write" programs by naming the cell the ip starts at? so the aperiodic path the ip follows does the stuff you want for your program
I would be limited, or very hard to find programs I'd guess..
 
@HelkaHomba that might actually work, provided it's actually possible to find a coordinate system for the grid (which works in the radially symmetric one, but I'm not sure how you'd go about it otherwise)
 
Something like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperiodic_tiling#/media/… can have a simple enough coord system
 
what's the origin?
 
7:48 AM
Choose one tile and call it the origin and tile the others out from there in a grid?
 
Posted new challenge
might be hard
It's the first one of a 'series' of challenges
and the simplest one
 
@HelkaHomba I imagine the tiling can't be unique given a single tile, otherwise it would be periodic, right?
 
It is about making a problem solver
It has a very, very interesting example
What is theanswerofeverything where t=1,h=1,e=1,a=1,n=1,s=1,w=1,r=1,o=1,f=1,v=1,y=1,i=1 and g=42?
=> 42
 
@MartinEnder Hmm. I think Wang tiles can only be tiled aperiodically, so they should work (though they are squares again)
 
@HelkaHomba that doesn't mean that the tiling is unique though
 
7:54 AM
ah, right
 
whereas for the Penrose tilings it's known that there is only one possible tiling for each of the possible 5-fold radial symmetries (which is the defined by how you create the 5-fold symmetry at the centre)
 
for Wangs you could just have tile preferences so when making the grid starting at one tile it is built up using the most preferred tiles whenever possible
 
8:11 AM
0
Q: Problem solver: The easy part

SIGSEGVYou will be given a mathematical problem in the format: What is __ (, where __,__,... and __)?. (__,__,... and __ means it takes an indefinite amount of the data, if it has more than one, the last one comes with and, like we use in english (Ex. a=1, b=2 and c=3) Calculate the answer. Specs Yo...

 
8:23 AM
0
Q: playing with digits

Mickey JackAsha loves mathematics a lot. She always spends her time by playing with digit. Suddenly, she stuck with the hard problem. The problem is listed below. Help, asha to solve this magical problem of mathematics. Given a number, return the count of numbers having non-repeating digits till that numbe...

 
@Emigna How did you understand that challenge ^ ?
 
Yeah
Count numbers that do not have consecutive equal digits
 
I don't get what they consider to be "numbers having non-repeating digits"
 
Yeah, the text is unclear
 
So e.g. 1223 should be excluded?
 
8:28 AM
If not for the example I would have thought that 121 would have been bad
yes
 
"how to convert the following code into python"
I detect Homework
 
Yes
Seems very likely
 
I also doubt the Python answer they would get here would fit what their teacher was expecting
 
Might be trouble if he has to explain "his" code :)
 
8:48 AM
@Fatalize Just make him a function to evaluate Jelly then his teacher will not understand the code and will scold him for making it too long. School programming is initially code golf too :P
IMO closevotes are better than deletevotes: delete is revertible, close is not (by OP I mean)
 
9:26 AM
Hello
Is it possible to determine the amount of upvotes and downvotes of every question (Q1, Q2, Q3...) posted by a user (U) when given U's reputation and the scores of every Q?
 
@JanDvorak Proof?
 
An idea: when an obvious homework question is asked, don't VTC but answer with only golfing langs :P
 
UUDDDDD repeated N times always return 0 no? (where U is upvote and D is downvote)
 
Trivial. Too many variables.
 
9:36 AM
@Qwerp-Derp U's reputation includes answers
Also the repcap messes things up
 
What if I get rid of the answers and repcap
 
Plus accept rep, plus edits, plus...
 
@Emigna Good point
And I just have questions and nothing else
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Martin EnderIs it a Fibonacci number? code-golffibonaccinumber-theory Given a non-negative integer n, determine whether it appears in the Fibonacci sequence (OEIS A000045). In the unlikely event that someone is not familiar with the Fibonacci sequence, it's defined as: f(0) = 0 f(1) = 1 f(n) = f(n-1) + f(...

 
Mathematica, 10 bytes: FibonacciQ (does this function actually exist in Mathematica, or is this too far even for it?)
 
9:45 AM
@betseg Q?
@betseg Also of course it doesn't exist, I'm sure there's an easy way to do it though
 
OddQ returns true if the number is odd, etc AFAIK (from the answers I've seen)
 
Q for ... query?
 
No idea
 
@betseg ... You know Mathematica's full documentation is online, right?
 
Oh
 
10:27 AM
What's a short word that roughly means "generic electrical component" e.g. gate (but not gate)
 
@HelkaHomba I don't think there is one? I'd use electrical/circuit component (or elextrical/circuit element)
 
11:08 AM
@HelkaHomba Unambiguously? If not, I'd use something like 'block', especially if referring to a diagram.
 
11:23 AM
I don't even get how someone would use an IDE for C
 
11:53 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

FoonHaiku detector in Haiku: I found a haiku-w detector problem, and a popularity-contest challenge for writing factorial in haiku, but not the combination. Let's fix that: Input: a string consisting of alphanumeric characters, standard punctuation, and |'s, where the | is used to indicate where t...

 
12:17 PM
I wonder how far we can go here
 
0
Q: Read ASCII-Art Text

SteadyboxInspired by Golf me an ASCII Alphabet, of which this challenge is (almost) a direct inverse. Task: Take a string of ASCII-art text and output the content of the text as regular ASCII text. Input: String of ASCII-art text. Input will only contain instances of ASCII character #, spaces and...

 
@L3viathan Hopefully pretty far. There are a lot of characters left
 
@AdmBorkBork Right, but once most of the alphabet is gone, I wonder if we'll reach a dead-end, even though shorter solutions are possible
 
Just gotta be careful with what gets tossed aside :D
I like how answer-chaining challenges get to be this interesting mix of competition and cooperation
 
12:36 PM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Felipe Nardi BatistaHow Many Shuffles code-golf Given an integer N (where N is even) that represents an pile of cards of size N with no repeting cards, write a program that outputs the number of perfect shuffles needed to go back to the original state. Perfect shuffle: Given a pile of cards, split it in half, and...

 
12:55 PM
PPCG giving 504 for anyone else?
 
518
 
What's 518
 
Blah, that was a stupid typo that ruined the joke.
 
Oh you meant the teapot one
 
Yeah
 
1:00 PM
that's 418
 
Right
 
because it's a user error, not a server error
 
HTTP error status 518: server is a teapot
 
1:11 PM
Teapot is no longer funny...
 
@L3viathan There are answers here that are under 10 characters so i think we still have a ways to go
 
@Poke Right, I'm sure we have a lot of answers until we're done, but it could be possible that we're reaching a character set from which you can't get to these solutions quick enough. Then again, there's Lenguage.
 
1:33 PM
2
Q: Let's do some "deciph4r4ng"

ArnauldIn this challenge, your task is to decipher a string. Luckily, the algorithm is pretty simple: reading from left to right, each encountered digit N (0 to 9) must be replaced with the character which is N+1 positions before it. Example The input string "Prog2am0in6" would be decoded this way: ...

 
I was going to use Retina for it but then I noticed that backtick and newline are both banned right now -_-
 
@BasicSunset Well, you just need a language to add in one or the other, and then Retina can add in the remaining
 
I could have done it in my answer just now, but meh
 
I need space and f or space and colon..
 
And the Octave answer removed space and f. Ouch
 
1:46 PM
Yes, that was intentionally directed at SML. He won, for now.
 
0
Q: Hexagonal Fractal!

SparklePonyYour task: given an integer n, generate a hexagonal fractal following the following rules, to the nth depth. A hexagonal fractal has the basic shape of this: (n=0) __ / \ \__/ Hexagonal Fractals n=1 and n=2: ____ / \ \ /\__/ \ \ / \____/ ________ / \ \ ...

 

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