The Nineteenth Byte

DJMcMayhem

12:01 AM

@Downgoat Is it possible to do anything like this?

quartata

@Downgoat Danger noodle technology is very good

highly advanced species only outclassed by mice and dolphins

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem to use functionzed ops you need to use parens. There is no "function" type either (well techincally you could do let function = (what is ->))

i thoughgt i added functional ops to docs :/

DJMcMayhem

Ah, okay cool. So when is the colon necessary or not?

Downgoat

colon is for strict typing and its completely optional. also, classes are both in camel-case and non camel-case version e.g. String and string both refer to the same string class

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat did you write a parser yourself, if so, can u teach me some basics?

Downgoat

12:08 AM

@RohanJhunjhunwala im busy rn but reading from here i described basic grammar with LL workings

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat OK, so typing is weak by default, but strict typing is allowed. Is there a const yet?

Downgoat

yes

try const foo = 'bar' and then try setting foo to something else

(if you have npm you can install a fancy cheddar REPL with npm install -g cheddar-lang btw, easier than TIO imo)

DJMcMayhem

I don't have node and I don't want to bother getting it

Downgoat

:O D: ;_;

it has really easy installer and all tho

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I have to agree with DJMcMayhem, it is clear as mud.

@Downgoat are you interested in adding Cheddar to the esolang IDE?

Downgoat

12:12 AM

cheddar is not esolang :P

ill probably make a vim plugin for it sometime

(maybe other editors but idk anything except vim)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat the esolang IDE need not support only esolangs

SILOS is supported in it (Which has an esolang page) but thats beside the point

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@flawr Putting your theory to the test

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

github.com/rjhunjhunwala/S.I.D.E please do consider adding cheddar its easy

Just provide a jar which takes a cheddar file as a CLA, and a list of regexes for syntax higlighting

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Apparently men are the holiest

Downgoat

@RohanJhunjhunwala :O I know Java, I can make a jar :D

shit this is complex java tho

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

12:15 AM

@Downgoat :) shouldnt be too hard, just invoke another interpreter you have.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat js halp pls?

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yea?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

how get a Date with today's year, month, and day?

but no time/time is midnight

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ new Date().getMonth new Date().getYear() new Date().getDay()

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ooh thanks

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

12:19 AM

100 percent not verbose

sorry

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh god js date subtraction is bad

DJMcMayhem

@RohanJhunjhunwala Do you use an IDE when you're working on SIDE?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@DJMcMayhem yes I use netbeans, although i twould be hilarious to do on SIDE

DJMcMayhem

Ok, I'll download it. Should I go with "java se" or "java ee"?

quartata

Java SE

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

12:25 AM

What exactly is the difference?

@DJMcMayhem the latest release isn

quartata

Java EE is for enterprise web stuff like EJB and JSF which I don't think you'll be using

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

isnt the most recent

DJMcMayhem

I have no idea.

Downgoat

@RohanJhunjhunwala pls halp eclipse is not working on your java, its borked pls ;________;

it cannot find main idk what is going on such bork Q_Q

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat what is the error.

Downgoat

12:26 AM

this is why i hate java. you are forced to use crappy ide which never works

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

oh

Ensure the file name is Main.java

Downgoat

yeah its all there but it claims it cannot find it

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

and you can comment out the main method in SILOS,java if it is confused by it

Geobits

9

@Downgoat You mind explaining this I found in my kid's work?

Downgoat

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What can I say. If the ratio of Goats to Bananas was that IRL the world would be a better place

DLosc

12:28 AM

Those are upgoats, right?

quartata

Is this the stuff they're making Minibits do

Conor O'Brien

idk, let's ask mathematica

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@DLosc @DJMcMayhem I added a nicely packaged release on to gitHub

Geobits

Ha, yeah. Poor goat-counting fourth graders :/

DJMcMayhem

@RohanJhunjhunwala Where? I can't see it

Downgoat

12:30 AM

pls halp I am freaking out, eclipse is weird, big bloated, ide that is borking ;___;

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@DJMcMayhem refresh and click the releases tag

Downgoat

what is my Java files are not in a very specific eclipse format??

what do I do redo my app?

ugh

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat it's eclipse, does that help?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat use SIDE the first real release has been published

Geobits

@Downgoat Import them?

Downgoat

12:31 AM

okay i think this is enough computer for today, bai

2

quartata

You have to make a blank project and use Import from Filesystem

DLosc

@Downgoat baa

quartata

Or do it in one step in NetBeans: project from existing sources

Downgoat

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

wow

Downgoat

12:32 AM

what am i donig wrong help

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat using ecliplse

using mac

^ that too

cropping too closely

eclipse is cross platform that is not the problem though.

Conor O'Brien

12:33 AM

using a potato

quartata

make an empty project and import from filesystem

Downgoat

well I want to import from a git tracked project

Geobits

You can make a new project from the import dialog IIRC

Downgoat

I also don't want it to be in the super-specific eclipse format

quartata

Use the Git perspective

Downgoat

12:34 AM

;_; I am just trying to compile files

quartata

the .gitignore the .project stuff

Conor O'Brien

CMC: write a chat extension that randomly replaces words with goats in the textarea

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Downgoat

@quartata but it requires files to be in specific directories and all

@ConorO'Brien AFAIK its already been done

Conor O'Brien

lol

Geobits

@Downgoat You mean besides Java wanting it in a certain structure?

quartata

12:35 AM

You mean in packages?

Your code should always be like that

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@DJMcMayhem did u see the release tag>

@Downgoat I compiled it for you. It should be easy to downlaod

Go to the latest release of SIDE

Downgoat

@Geobits javac lets me structure my project any damn way I want as long as i supply the correct file names ;_;

ok im getting agitated, i really should leave now

Geobits

@Downgoat That doesn't make it right o_o

quartata

The compiler sure. Try running it lmfao

Geobits

I could install programs to the Documents folder, but it doesn't mean I should.

Conor O'Brien

12:38 AM

wait that's not where they go

Downgoat

@Geobits i am american citizen i am free to do whatever the hell i want whether or not the compiler likes it >_> :P

quartata

read up on how packages work. Folder structure needs to be precise

Conor O'Brien

:P

Downgoat

though seriously... the compiler enforcing your folder structure is crazy

Conor O'Brien

@quartata where is pip installed .-.

Geobits

12:39 AM

I only don't like it when someone goes eight packages deep. Then I curse them to hell. Any other time it's very nice, tbh.

quartata

The compiler doesn't. You just can't run it if it can't be qualified correctly

Geobits

@Downgoat It gets rid of the possibility of name conflicts if nothing else. If both of your Entity.java files (or whatever) are in the right folder, there's no confusion.

quartata

@ConorO'Brien python -m pip install xyz

Conor O'Brien

thanks :D

quartata

I don't think Windows gets the alias

Conor O'Brien

12:41 AM

windows doesn't get a lot of things -.-

quartata

@El'endiaStarman probably knows

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Geobits I really need to learn a classpath and all that fun stuff.

I kind of just let me IDE take care of it...

Geobits

Well, the point of the IDE is that it can. Most of the time ;)

It's nice to know anyway, of course, for those few times when something gets borked.

New Main Posts

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Q: Is the function even or odd

In mathematics, an "even" function f is one where f(x)=f(-x). An "odd" function g is one where where g(x)=-g(-x). You must determine whether a function is even or odd. A function might be neither even nor odd. Input An expression which you can take from stdin, a function parameter, etc. The inp...

El'endia Starman

@quartata Wait what huh?

And yes, I read the context.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

12:48 AM

9 mins ago, by Conor O'Brien

@quartata where is pip installed .-.

that maybe?

Geobits

You're clearly the Windows guru 'round these parts :P

El'endia Starman

.....I actually have no idea where pip is installed. It Just Works™.

I think I have an idea though.

Yep, thought so. C:\Python35\Lib\site-packages\pip

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat u get it to work?

Geobits

@Conor I don't know J, but can that not be golfed more? It's just very odd to see a Java answer within 11 bytes of it :/

Conor O'Brien

@Geobits J is not very good at recursion

I'm working on it rn

Geobits

12:54 AM

Ah. That could be an issue there then.

Conor O'Brien

trying to use ^: if that means anything

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis please pull SILOS, a lot of changes have been made that should ideally not affect function

Geobits

pointy-nose-guy. Got it

Conor O'Brien

close enough

@Geobits golfed it to 27, just reordered the reference such that iterating over the zero cells became unnecessary

Geobits

13% reduction? Nice :)

Downgoat

12:59 AM

@ConorO'Brien wait wat i thought J was functional lang?

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat it is

recursion != functional

@Geobits thanks :D

Downgoat

and it doens't have consise recursion o_O

Conor O'Brien

it does

$: is self-reference

but the casework costs some bytes

conventional golfed fibonacci is 1:`(-&2+&$:-&1)@.(2&<)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

why is my google mobile version on my laptop

Conor O'Brien

shakes fist markdown!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

1:01 AM

Geobits

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Well technically a laptop is mobile, so... :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

"Technically that sentence started with 'well', so--" "Ooh, a rock with a fossil in it!"

Geobits

Good thing neither he nor I started it with that word.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

true

@ConorO'Brien cergos comic with bugfix please

Conor O'Brien

bugfix?

@Geobits technically technically is technically a technicality

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

1:03 AM

basically that xkcd with "started with 'techinically'" replaced with "started with 'well, techinically'"

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Is it possible to fix a git release with a new jar

Conor O'Brien

I'm trying to make the comic distinct somewhat from xkcd :P

"self-contained" as it were

Geobits

So do that by ripping off xkcd? :P

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Conor O'Brien

tempting :P

Geobits

Next up: replace velociraptors with feral peacocks

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

1:06 AM

s/peacocks/goats/

Geobits

Meh. Goats just don't pounce the same as bird lizards.

Conor O'Brien

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ no such thing

Conor O'Brien

this is the most I've ever ripped of xkcd :P

Downgoat

@Geobits orly?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

1:08 AM

@ConorO'Brien no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

Conor O'Brien

wat * 12

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat google.com/…

Downgoat

vine.co/v/OYlIr0xTvtK

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hunting part = "no pls"
exists part = "rip my neighbor's garden"

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ feral cat california has 10x results

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

1:09 AM

yes

Downgoat

feral cat isn't really a common thing and 10 times less is like non-existant

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

but he didn't say cat

38 mins ago, by Downgoat

okay i think this is enough computer for today, bai

@ConorO'Brien seriously, how many socks do you have

Conor O'Brien

I'm wearing a pair

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

they all have the "i'm leaving is back in 30min" problem

Geobits

@Downgoat No, I mean like a raptor:

Pouncing Peacock| Home Video Licensing

►

:D

Conor O'Brien

1:10 AM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ oh shoot I need to be studying

Downgoat

@Geobits goats can do that too. gimme a sec to pull up the gif

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes you do goodbye

Conor O'Brien

bai!

pineapples

Downgoat

Aug 30 at 2:02, by El'endia Starman

Downgoat said bye and was back two minutes later. I see he goes to the Conor O'Brien school of leaving chat rooms. :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah, sock confirmed

El'endia Starman

1:11 AM

@Downgoat :D

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ pupil =/= sock

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

i think sock

Geobits

See, and I always thought Riker was the sock, due to the small caps thing ;)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat release published. @DJMcMayhem It's fixed now

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Is the function even or odd? mathcode-golf In mathematics, an "even" function f is one where f(x)=f(-x). An "odd" function g is one where where g(x)=-g(-x). You must determine whether a function is even or odd. A function might be neither even nor odd. Input An expression which you can take f...

Downgoat

1:14 AM

@RohanJhunjhunwala sorry but I've quit Java outside of CS class :P Eclipse is just utter crap and it is very difficult to practicallly code java apps in without

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

but one typo

s/Eclipse/Java/

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat :( could you at least take a look at the IDE so I can have some ffedback

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ no s/s/Eclipse/java//java is amazing

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

for a odd definition of amazing

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ in all seriousness I agree on some levels

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

1:17 AM

Java is powerful in that it is fairly multi-platform, but I don't like the dubious business practices, and poor security.

Downgoat

C++ is techinically multiplatform considering im sure they is windows C++ compiler

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@RohanJhunjhunwala yeah, that's the only good part IMO

though I do like the enforced style of packaging

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat in a way, but significantly less than java

quartata

@Downgoat J is function-level not functional

There was a good SO post on the difference that I can't find

Conor O'Brien

1:40 AM

@Dennis does Jelly work on windows?

Dennis

I haven't tried, but I guess it should.

Conor O'Brien

C:\Users\Conor O'Brien\Documents\Programming
λ cd jelly

C:\Users\Conor O'Brien\Documents\Programming\jelly (master)
λ echo +>test.txt

C:\Users\Conor O'Brien\Documents\Programming\jelly (master)
λ type test.txt
+

C:\Users\Conor O'Brien\Documents\Programming\jelly (master)
λ jelly test.txt 3 4

C:\Users\Conor O'Brien\Documents\Programming\jelly (master)
λ

no output :/

wait I'm an idiot

Dennis

It's jelly fun test.txt 3 4.

Conor O'Brien

still no output with any combination of flags

:/

Dennis

Try python3 jelly fun test.txt 3 4.

Conor O'Brien

1:44 AM

I think that works, except a 0x7f char is printed after the 7

Dennis

That's the newline in the Jelly code page. You have to set your terminal to UTF-8 to avoid that.

Conor O'Brien

oh, okay

thanks!

Dennis

np

Conor O'Brien

windows should just break down and use shebangs :P

DLosc

@Dennis Curious: why was newline not set to 0x0A in the Jelly codepage?

Dennis

1:47 AM

Excellent question. Having all ASCII characters grouped in a contiguous 96 byte block was supposed to make some things easier.

In hindsight, it wasn't the best idea...

DLosc

Good to know.

Dennis

Code golf scoring aside, Jelly was never meant to be used with non-UTF-8 source code and non-UTF-8 output.

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis what is ldepth and rdepth in attrdict?

actually should I be taking this to the jelly room

Dennis

The depths at which the atom vectorizes for its left and right argument.

Conor O'Brien

oh, like rank in J?

Dennis

1:52 AM

I have to go now, but if you leave some questions (here or in Jelly), I'll answer them as soom as I can.

Conor O'Brien

okay, will do! thanks

Conor O'Brien

2:02 AM

CMC: output a weird range, i.e., from 1 to 5 it's 1 5 2 4 3; take n, m, n + 1, m -1, ... . So 1, 4 -> 1 4 2 3 etc.

El'endia Starman

2:12 AM

@ConorO'Brien Minkolang, 9 bytes: 1nLI[rN].

DLosc

@ConorO'Brien Tried an approach in Pip; turned up an interpreter bug. >_<

Conor O'Brien

@DLosc aw. but hooray!

DLosc

Yep. ;)

Conor O'Brien

@El'endiaStarman I meant 2 inputs, but that shouldn't change the byte count

DLosc

Still not sure what's going wrong... it's something to do with assigning to items of lists, though. It works the first time through the loop but fails thereafter.

El'endia Starman

2:15 AM

@ConorO'Brien Yeah, just replace the 1 with n.

DLosc

Got it! I must never have added cyclic indices for lvalues, just rvalues.

I can fix that tonight, since I was working on index-related stuff anyway.

miles

@ConorO'Brien I tried using iteration and got 0{]_&(]}.,+/@}:)1 1 2"_ at 23 bytges

Conor O'Brien

@miles nice! feel free to post that, I'm going to be out of commission for about half a day (school and sleep)

DLosc

@ConorO'Brien Pip, 29 bytes: T$=g{Pg@i(gi%2)-:i%2|v++i}g@0 (there's got to be a better way)

The ~~bug~~ lack of new feature only cost me 3 bytes.

miles

@ConorO'Brien nah it's for you, it's the same method anyways

Conor O'Brien

2:30 AM

@miles alright, thanks. :) will post it now, but explanation will come later.

Downgoat

can anyone point me in right direction for creating good searching algorithm things

quartata

Very specific 10/10

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat go right

DLosc

@ConorO'Brien Getting better, 21 bytes: Ta>bP++v%2?--b+1++a-1

Conor O'Brien

Z6

Geobits

2:34 AM

@Downgoat What are you searching for, and in what?

Conor O'Brien

@DLosc whoa, 8 bytes. is this with the fix?

Geobits

For grazing, a random walk usually works well enough.

DLosc

@ConorO'Brien No, a less naive algorithm. :P

Conor O'Brien

oh lol

Downgoat

@Geobits Basically I need to make a thing where the user searches for an item and the most relevant item shows up. I have no idea how it should work. A) How should I store the description of the item, a paragraph? an array of keywords? something else? B) how do I effectively do a search? How do I weigh different words based on semantic meaning/importance?

Maltysen

2:37 AM

@Geobits hill climbing is better, though

:P

Downgoat

only CS thing i know how to do well is pretty much parser theory :P

Geobits

Oh jeez, you need a book or few then.

Downgoat

O_o just for search algorithm

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat you could try a trie

Maltysen

@Downgoat red the MIT book

Geobits

2:38 AM

@Downgoat If what you were doing was simple, Google wouldn't be Google.

Conor O'Brien

I'm really strong in parser theory and number theory, but not in search algo's

"This is what Google does, and here's an analogy that's vaguely related and will make you think that you can make your own search engine by reading a book." And thus bing was born.

:P

Downgoat

@Maltysen what?

@Geobits pls halp how to acquir googl suorce coed

Maltysen

@Downgoat geobits reccommended you read book on algorithms

i pointed you to one

Downgoat

hahahaha... I am not a book person

Maltysen

@Downgoat talk to china govemnent

Downgoat

2:40 AM

(and I can't find the boko you're talking about, link?)

Maltysen

@Downgoat introduction to alogrithms or somrthing

yeah this one: mitpress.mit.edu/books/introduction-algorithms

Downgoat

ಠ_ಠ I know what algorithm is

El'endia Starman

@Geobits It's worth noting, though, that there were several competing search engines when Google started. Google won because they did search really well, and PageRank helped a lot with that.

Downgoat

... because using alphabet didn't make you look smart enough?

DLosc

Nope. ^_^

Geobits

2:43 AM

@El'endiaStarman Sure, and you could patch together some basic keyword matching really easily, but I'm not sure that truly qualifies as "search" in this case. I don't really know how deep he wants to go.

Maltysen

@Downgoat no this is a really good book

10/10 very in depth

Downgoat

ok will check if i can rent from local library

Helka Homba

Take that Nvidia:

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Q: Is naming different products the same thing good UX?

The Titan X is Nvidia's latest top-of-the-line enthusiast graphics card built on the Pascal architecture. "Titan X" is also the name of Nvidia's last-generation top-of-the-line enthusiast graphics card, built on the older Maxwell architecture. To be clear, these are both high-end Nvidia graphic...

terminology names hardware

Maltysen

@Downgoat i don't know how you want to do this, but A) you store some sort of index of your data, and then B) you use one many search algorithms to return the relevent data, binary, hash table, maybe some sort of fuzzy search

Geobits

@HelkaHomba There are an awful lot of different Mustangs or Expeditions out there, and they seem to do all right.

Downgoat

2:46 AM

@Maltysen i know that but now i have to figure out how to weight meaning of words without abusing greek alphabet

Maltysen

@Downgoat that's really vague. what do you mean by weighting words?

you'll probably need some kind of nlp for that

Downgoat

I know ;_;

brb extracting from chatgoat engine

@Maltysen e.g. the => 0, goat => 10

I did a double-threshold frequency thing for chatgoat and it works ok

but its still pretty bad

Maltysen

google kinda wrote something for this

and its part of their google cloud platform

cloud.google.com/natural-language

do the demo, if im understanding you corrctly, salience is what you're looking for

Helka Homba

@Geobits Ok. But a car is a much bigger investment. Even naive consumers would check the year and do a test drive.

Geobits

It's not just cars though. Unless you delve into model numbers, you see the same thing all over the place. For laptops, there's Thinkpads, Inspirons, etc. You've got Chromecasts, Apple TVs, and Kindles. Lots of things keep the name when a new generation comes out, even if the underlying architecture is not the same.

The main "pro" is instant name recognition.

El'endia Starman

2:54 AM

@quartata status-completed

DLosc

@Geobits ... Programming languages...

Maltysen

*cough*perl 6*couhh*

DLosc

I've spent quite a few hours at work lately fixing stuff that broke because PHP7 !== PHP5

Geobits

VB.NET threw people for a loop IIRC, after VB6 ;)

I had a program fail on me for a missing method before I realized I was working in Java 5 :/

Like, last year.

Stupid legacy programs.

Downgoat

> Google: makes super smart advanced NLP API
> Google: Can't get z-index right on their website

Maltysen

3:01 AM

@Downgoat where?

Downgoat

@Maltysen on the website you linked

DLosc

@ConorO'Brien Got it down to 14! Tb=PaSba-:o*:v

Maltysen

@Downgoat haha

didn't happen to me

DLosc

@DLosc There are some truly nasty tricks in that code, folks.

Pseudocode: till (b == print(a)) swap b with a -= (o *= v)

with a and b being the cmdline inputs, o preinitialized to 1, and v to -1.

Geobits

@Maltysen I think he's running some janky browser on some janky OS ;)

El'endia Starman

3:12 AM

@Downgoat Not like that for me either. Probably a problem on your end...

DLosc

Well, based on my very unscientific survey, it looks like TNB wants a good mixture of difficulty in code golf questions, with a slight preference for medium (30 mins or less).

Downgoat

@Geobits I'm just running Safari on OS X

Geobits

That's what I said, isn't it?

Downgoat

sigh...

Quill

@Downgoat Google: has enough employees that there's a probability a person who works on NLP will probably never meet whoever broke the z-index

Conor O'Brien

3:20 AM

@DLosc whoa

@Quill this is true

DLosc

@ConorO'Brien A lot of that improvement was finding ways to resolve off-by-1 errors. Printing in the loop test, for instance.

Conor O'Brien

ah

DLosc

(You'll note the previous version had nasty stuff like ++a-1. Too bad Pip doesn't have a post-increment operator, but it's much easier on the parser not to.)

Conor O'Brien

haha, I know the feeling. "This would be better, but it's ugly in the source code, so nah"

Anyhow, I'm going to sleep now. peace y'all

DLosc

Shalom!

PhiNotPi

3:33 AM

Right now I'm trying to write some very-abstract/generic code to "analyze" programs written in simple esoteric languages.

DLosc

"Analyze" how? Sounds interesting.

PhiNotPi

The key insight being that many esolangs are built around a couple of core, global data structures (arrays, stacks, etc.). Even though the syntaxes are often wildly different, each "command" typically performs a straightforward operation on one of the global data structures.

DLosc

Ok, yeah.

Good luck with Hexagony, though ;)

PhiNotPi

Adding hexagony support might just be a matter of implementing a crazy data structure or two.

But, given a list of all of the commands and how they affect the contents of the stack (I'm mainly sticking to stack for now), we can start to do things such as determine the state of the stack at a given place in the program, without actually "running the code" (no input is provided).

For example, the ability to say that "between characters X and Z of the program, the stack grows by 7 items, and the top 5 items are strings"

DLosc

Hm, okay.

PhiNotPi

3:42 AM

If operators are overloaded (as operators are wont to do) then it would sometimes be capable of calculating the correct context of the operator and determining what it will do.

Of course, I'm a long ways away from having anything useful working.

DLosc

:) We've all been there.

PhiNotPi

I think it's a cool idea though.

DLosc

I'll be interested to see where you go with it.

PhiNotPi

I'll probably incorporate it as part of the Esolangs IDE project i'm working on.

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