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12:00 AM
@Quill o_O
 
They're still writing most of the curriculum it looks like, but yeah....
 
It surprises me somewhat that you guys are surprised the Klingon is on Duolingo. :P
 
shrug
 
@El'endiaStarman am I supposed to be not surprised?
 
@Downgoat What's so surprising about it?
 
12:13 AM
klingon is not a real language
 
It is
 
is too
ninja'ed
 
Does Klingon or Lojban have more speakers?
3
 
Klingon?
I think so at least.
 
Just because it was made in the 20th century doesn't mean it's real
 
12:14 AM
More people are star trek fans than über linguistics nerds/doorknobs
 
We should advise Doorknob to switch to Klingon since it would be more useful.
 
@Doorknob hear this sacrelige!
 
@MarsUltor s/20th century/for a book\/tv show\/movie (I don't mnow)/
 
no actually
 
@Downgoat It was a really popular movie
 
12:15 AM
TNG and TOS are both predominatently episodes.
 
Lojban, on the other hand
 
well TNG and TOS are the episodes, but whatever.
@MarsUltor ... was made so doorknobs can communicate.
2
 
@EasterlyIrk Yeah, humans don't really use it
 
@EasterlyIrk s/doorknobs/doorknobs and doorhandles/
 
no
doorhandles are sacrelige
they have a UD page. QED
 
@Doorknob ^
 
If I ever was to meet doorknob, I would give that to him XD
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ the jolf error404 page marquee needs a speedup.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ @poi830 can you get ^^^^^ for doorknob?
 
@Downgoat It's one of the first conlangs, I believe. Definitely one of the first widespread ones.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you don't get to read text....
 
@EasterlyIrk that's the point ^_^
 
You don't get the psychological message..... >.>
 
@El'endiaStarman ok
 
12:20 AM
Is LOTR stuff not detailed enough to count?
 
@feersum The LotR languages are definitely conlangs, but I don't think they're quite as widespread.
For what it's worth, I know a tiny bit of Quenya and none of Klingon, so... :P
 
same
 
> you kind of were just rickrolled in a strange psychological sense or in a real sense if you're still reading this
 
Elf language
Quenya (pronounced [ˈkwɛnja]) is a fictional language devised by J. R. R. Tolkien, and used by the Elves in his legendarium. Tolkien began devising the language at around 1910 and re-structured the grammar several times until Quenya reached its final state. The vocabulary remained relatively stable throughout the creation process. Also the name of the language was repeatedly changed by Tolkien from Elfin and Qenya to the eventual Quenya. The Finnish language had been a major source of inspiration, but Tolkien was also familiar with Latin, Greek and ancient Germanic languages when he began c...
 
12:23 AM
brb
 
^ "Our God" by Chris Tomlin translated into Quenya and written in Tengwar. :D
 
I always thought it was Welsh inside the one ring
 
@MarsUltor but that doesn't pop up for me..... :(
@El'endiaStarman ooooh
10/10 keeping that
 
@EasterlyIrk It's in the source
 
finds headphones
@MarsUltor i know that.
But for non-source-divers, you don't see it.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ BAI
 
12:30 AM
@Quill If you're making the joke that Welsh is the Black Speech, kudos to you for being nerdy enough. If not, then -1 for being ignorant. :P
 
El'endia, the ultimate nerd :P
 
12:42 AM
Eh, I wouldn't say I'm the ultimate nerd. :P
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ s/ult/penult/
 
Ah, of course.
 
...not the penultimate one either. :P
 
No, we think you are.
@Downgoat Should dyadic log be an arbitrary base log?
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Cheddar has no dyadic operator support
 
12:45 AM
@MarsUltor You can golf that to s/e /e pen/g
 
@MarsUltor yeah it does
 
@MarsUltor I'm pretty sure it does
 
@MarsUltor How? + is dyadic
 
just from Downgoat's snippets earlier
^^
 
Then bad idea
 
12:46 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yeah
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ added half the docs page for FOG.
 
@Downgoat Okay
@EasterlyIrk nice!
 
BAI guys.
 
2 log 2 should be 2 * log 2
 
@EasterlyIrk maybe when its his birthday
 
12:47 AM
DINNER CALLS TO ME
but is lasagna.... Q_Q
pasta. eck.
but, must come. BAI
 
@MarsUltor No please
 
@MarsUltor Uh... no
 
@poi830 ooh yay! Thanks.
 
@EasterlyIrk heathen
 
It should be log_2 ( 2 )
 
12:47 AM
sowee
 
@EasterlyIrk pasta rocks
 
@EasterlyIrk Pasta is the best
 
@EasterlyIrk same, but I'm ignoring its call till it starts yelling at me from the kitchen :P
 
@orlp Why would I eat his holy noodleness?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Q_Q
@quartata ^
@Maltysen :D
 
wait until you guys learn what the dutch convention is
 
12:48 AM
@quartata Why not? It's a lot more understandable
 
it's super fucking stupid
a function squared is notated as f^2(x)
so sin(x)*sin(x) = sin^2(x)
 
@orlp that's done here in the US
 
it's the dumbest thing ever
who can guess what sin^-1(x) is?
 
But
 
@orlp 1/sin
 
12:49 AM
@Maltysen nope
it's asin!
 
sin * sin is always sin^2
 
@orlp ah, you're right
 
sin(x)*sin(x) = sin(x)^2
 
it was log^-1 that was 1/log
 
not this sin^2(x) bullcrap
 
12:49 AM
it kinda makes sense cuz everyone forgets the parens when writing
so sin x ^ 2 is ambiguous
 
@Maltysen well that's another thing
 
@orlp So why does every country teach sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1?
 
bu sin^2 x isn't
 
always write with parenthesis!
not sin x
write sin(x) like a regular human being
 
@orlp i'm actually pretty guilty of that myself >_>
 
12:50 AM
@orlp *A regular programmer
 
@MarsUltor don't ask me
it's dumb and inconsistent
 
the sin^-1==asin is pretty stupid though
 
@Maltysen Yeah, it confuses so many people who forget it's asin
 
@Maltysen I'm fine with notating inverses with ^-1
 
there is literally no good reason for that. the AP calc has two clarifications at the beginning, and one of them is asin and sin^-1 mean the same thing -_-
 
12:52 AM
just don't put the darned exponent there
 
@orlp but then log^-1 = 1/log (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
I agree. sin(x)*sin(x) = sin^2(x) makes great sense, sin^-1(x) = asin(x) doesn't.
 
IMO the unqualified log should also be gone
 
@El'endiaStarman orlp is saying it doesn't either
 
either ln(x), or log(x, b)
none of those log(x) and you figure out which base I meant
 
12:54 AM
isn't log always 10?
 
@El'endiaStarman I'm saying the exact opposite
@Maltysen lol nope
 
well I guess its 2 in comp sci
 
it's used for base 2, base e or base 10 generally, depending on context
 
@orlp So how exactly does asin = sin^-1 make sense then?
 
@orlp i've never seen it as base e. that's always been ln in my experience
 
12:54 AM
@MarsUltor because we use superscript for functions to notate variations
 
@orlp asin is not inverse sin
 
^' = derivative
^-1 = inverse
 
@orlp Yeah, I'm agreeing with Maltysen.
 
@MarsUltor for the purposes of this argument it is
 
28 secs ago, by Mars Ultor
@orlp asin is not inverse sin
@orlp wat
 
12:55 AM
@MarsUltor why not?
 
asin is inverse sin...
 
is it cuz of the domain?
 
almost (because of ^)
 
if we ignore periodicity, it is its inverse
 
Oh, A^-1 where A is a matrix is the inverse of that matrix.
That's probably where it came from.
 
12:57 AM
Well, it's called inverse sin
but
 
@El'endiaStarman well that convention comes from ^-1 meaning the multiplicative inverse
 
In mathematics, if a function is injective, exactly one function will exist such that , otherwise no such function will exist. The function is called the inverse function of because it "reverses" ; that is to say . == Definitions == Let f be a function whose domain is the set X, and whose image (range) is the set Y. Then f is invertible if there exists a function g with domain Y and image X, with the property: If f is invertible, the function g is unique, which means that there is exactly one function g satisfying this property (no more, no less). That function g is then called the inverse...
 
55 secs ago, by orlp
if we ignore periodicity, it is its inverse
 
@Maltysen Yeah. I wonder how it came to mean the compositional inverse when it comes to functions.
 
but superscripts are generally used to notate variants of functions
e.g. f' is a derivative, f^-1 is an inverse, etc
if you want a power of a function, use f(x)^2
 
12:58 AM
@orlp TIL apostrophe counts as a superscript
 
@orlp but the parens are so much work.......
 
Any reason we couldn't superscript something else to mean the compositional inverse rather than the multiplicative inverse?
 
@MarsUltor look at taylor series notation
they do ^(n) for nth derivative
 
@MarsUltor that's a prime mark you typographic unsophisticated swine :D
 
@Maltysen Yes, but prime has no unsuperscripted counterpart
 
1:00 AM
f⁗
 
@orlp You broke chat
 
@orlp ...why does that symbol exist?
i kinda understand if it went up to triple, but quadruple?
 
Quadruple what? It's just a box :/
 
@Maltysen Why does MAN IN BUSINESS SUIT LEVITATING exist?
Unicode is weird.
 
 
1:03 AM
Can't even see that
 
Do not enter symbol
 
@quartata ^^^ is an electron
 
that's one characters guys
﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽
 
Can't see that either
 
1:04 AM
> In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
 
That's the biggest single character I've ever seen.
 
🗺 <- mark on the map where you live
 
lawl
I'm somewhere in the upper left quadrant.
 
@HelkaHomba 🗺 Done
 
1:08 AM
It actually has detail if you zoom in
 
whaaaat
Oh, characters are SVGs?
 
⎝_(ツ)_⎠
 
That one we've seen before. :P
 
@El'endiaStarman Why do you think they don't get pixelated?
 
⦅lisp⦆
⸨even better lisp⸩
 
1:11 AM
Yeah, go to disapprovalface.com and insert the 🗺 character into the text there and you'll see just how much detail it has.
 
Well, they're partly SVGs. They also have a small bitmap for character hinting
 
@El'endiaStarman ^^ at font size 1638
 
@orlp While I can see everything else, those are boxes.
 
 oo
༼ ༽
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1:14 AM
@HelkaHomba I've only been to 2 of the contiguous black spots on this map :I
 
@HelkaHomba I live here > 🌏
Also, globe > map
 
@MarsUltor 🌏 looks like a sad guy - Australia is the mustache
 
well
isn't that curious?
 
I got a gold badge! :)
 
1:22 AM
fib=lambda n:(4<<n*(3+n))//((4<<2*n)-(2<<n)-1)&~-(2<<n)
 
My first attempt I visited for 99 consecutive days and lost the 100th because of a math competition, I believe
 
@ANerd-I 🖇uper!
🖸 <- sun, eyeball, or optical disc symbol?
 
@feersum Probably Klingon. Wikipedia has an estimation of 20-30 fluent speakers, whereas Lojban's site has an estimation of about 20 people who regularly communicate by text.
 
no love for the curious fibonacci formula? :(
 
I got an idea for a challenge but it's very similar to this unanswered challenge (parsing a list of times to show which ones would be removed). Would it be a dupe?
 
1:28 AM
>>> n = 10**3
>>> n**16//(n*n-n-1)
1001002003005008013021034055089144233377610
 
@orlp Huh, that's cool.
 
@Maltysen this you: github.com/anodium?
 
@AshwinGupta ...no
 
They had my repo starred xD so Idk
yeah I figured not
 
yeah i'm male
 
1:30 AM
Ik that
 
@HelkaHomba Sun/alchemical symbol that represents the sun and/or gold. (source)
 
wow
 
I figured it may be a friends acount or something
 
@orlp ok I really did not need to click on that...
 
1:31 AM
@AshwinGupta what did you expect?
not-hot non-babes?
 
@orlp rickroll...
 
@orlp oh yeah that's totally me
 
remember guys
dQw = rickroll
 
@orlp also, i'm really doubting the woman in the image search is the same one with the github
 
Or XcQ.
 
1:32 AM
but you never know, she might be a programmer
 
@Maltysen well no sh*t
@Maltysen I seriously.... seriously... seriously.. doubt it.
 
@AshwinGupta Plot twist - she programs in Seriously
dot dot dot question mark?
 
@ANerd-I =/
@QPaysTaxes no. More likely explanation is she didn't bother learning how cuz she is a model and her boyfriend does it for her. You never know though I suppose...
 
@AshwinGupta I'll have you know that I code and do modeling
Mathematical modeling but what the hell's the difference
 
I did/do modeling as well.
 
1:35 AM
Is that so?
@ANerd-I oh wow... You know that's not what I meant.
 
Yep. Mainly with Blender, but I've also used Maya.
 
@AshwinGupta <shrug>
 
@El'endiaStarman well in that case do do I. I've worked with autodesk cad.
@QPaysTaxes good 4 u.
 
@QPaysTaxes "partner"?
 
1:36 AM
Luckily for me, I already had the tab open. :P
 
Oh nvm.
you mean't partner in your class.
Sorry bro I feel you..
Ah shit and I just screwed up my repo again.
I've gotta figure out how to get rid of this Thumbs.db crap...
@QPaysTaxes locally*
 
> Bu 2017
 
My current girlfriend programs in Guava. Never heard of Guava? It doesn't exist. Neither does my girlfriend. Oops
 
@HelkaHomba by 2030
 
1:38 AM
Good thing no one will (should) choose that one. :P
 
@El'endiaStarman yeah jeez I hope not. I STRONGLY prefer physical copies of all my games/software/movies.
 
@El'endiaStarman Whoopsie
 
Makes me feel like I actually own them.
 
@AshwinGupta I think physical copies will transition to flash drives.
 
@QPaysTaxes yeah I just did
 
1:40 AM
Writing the question I realized many big stores still have a section for books, so maybe never is the answer
 
I like how the current results approximate a normal distribution. :P
 
@El'endiaStarman fair enough. Flash drives have gotten pretty big now. I got one thats 32 gig it was like 10 bucks...
Best buy rocks
 
Yeah. How long until people start shipping physical copies of games as flash drives?
 
@QPaysTaxes gottverdammt
 
@El'endiaStarman well I'm guessing it will just be digital downloads.
 
1:41 AM
2 GB flash drives would probably be super cheap now if you could find them in stores.
 
@El'endiaStarman 2GB, I think the minimum is like 5-10 now
 
@AshwinGupta Really? I like digital downloads. Like I can log on to steam anywhere and still have my games without the hassle of physically moving them
 
@MarsUltor the precedence in ShuntingYard doesn't seem to work anymore :/
 
@HelkaHomba that is true, but I mostly play video games on my desktop at home so I don't really worry about it or use that feature of digital downloads.
 
@AshwinGupta A 512Gb Micro SD card is supposedly on the way - digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsd-card-512gb-microdia
 
1:44 AM
@El'endiaStarman about$ 2.25 apiece on amazon
@HelkaHomba im done.
How the absolute f*ck did they figure out how to do that?
 
@AshwinGupta Woah, yeah.
 
which one of those looks the best?
 
@Downgoat top
 
1
yeah top
 
okay
 
1:45 AM
Although, on my calibrated display I'd say 3
But I got a custom colors setup on my primary monitor so IDK.
 
@Downgoat Top one.
 
okay...
 
Crap starman, you can buy 10 16 gig drives for 35 bucks... amazon.com/TOPSELL-Memory-Storage-Swivel-Design/dp/B015SI4UF4/…
 
Cheddar's new logo!
 
@El'endiaStarman $3.50 for a 16 gig usb drive =/
 
1:48 AM
def f(n):k=9**n;return k**n*k*k/~-(k*~-k)%k
mysterious fibonacci!
 
@orlp I don't get it =/
 
>>> [f(i) for i in range(1, 20)]
[1, 2, 3, 5L, 8L, 13L, 21L, 34L, 55L, 89L, 144L, 233L, 377L, 610L, 987L, 1597L, 2584L, 4181L, 6765L]
 
@orlp thats not what it does...
 
@AshwinGupta try it yourself
(in Python 2)
 
1:50 AM
32 secs ago, by orlp
(in Python 2)
 
decimals?
@El'endiaStarman oh.
 
@AshwinGupta Idk. I wonder if theres a concept for the theoretical limit for how much information can be stored in a volume. (like a "Planck drive")
 
@HelkaHomba Yes, this is absolutely a thing. Lemme find a Wikipedia page on it or something.
 
@HelkaHomba nope
 
@HelkaHomba here's the thing: There probably is, but who cares? It's probably well beyond any practical need.
 
1:51 AM
True, but still
 
Yeah it would be worth knowing
 
In physics, the Bekenstein bound is an upper limit on the entropy S, or information I, that can be contained within a given finite region of space which has a finite amount of energy—or conversely, the maximum amount of information required to perfectly describe a given physical system down to the quantum level. It implies that the information of a physical system, or the information necessary to perfectly describe that system, must be finite if the region of space and the energy is finite. In computer science, this implies that there is a maximum information-processing rate (Bremermann's limit...
 
What sort of engineering field would that be?
To figure that out?
Electrical?
 
Physics.
 
@El'endiaStarman I just love it when people link me to Wikepedia pages with math equations that have no symbols I've ever seen before =/
@El'endiaStarman honestly can't wait to take physics
 
1:53 AM
@AshwinGupta At least I answered the existence part of Helka's question. :P
 
@El'endiaStarman true :D
You learn something new every day. Unless you spend time in the 19th byte, then you learn 100 new things and waste the entire day :D
 
@El'endiaStarman Hey I've heard of this before! And I actually understand the article for once!
 
@Maltysen remember when you said to let you know if I needed help. Well, you probably are gonna wish you hadn't said that :P
 
@GamrCorps :D
@HelkaHomba, you'll probably also find this interesting - Wikipedia: Limits of Computation.
 
On a side note, according to the "How much more rep do I need?" challenge, I only need 11256 more rep to keep my privileges....
Yay.....
 

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