The Nineteenth Byte

12:45 AM

I thought I had something for Doorknob's, but it asks for input after printing Hello, World! :/

1:53 AM

@Sp3000 >:D

(for the record, it's not supposed to do that. I just downloaded the interpreter and tested it, and it does indeed not ask for user input after printing. you had me scared for a second that I messed something up :P)

Martin Büttner

5:18 AM

@Doorknob Why wouldn't we count total votes?

isaacg

@Sp3000 I found that it had already been asked and answered: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/1335/…

Sp3000

Hmm not like we actually implemented it in the end though...

Peter Taylor

@BetaDecay So they are accepting them in imaginary English languages?

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Sp3000

6:53 AM

@Dennis D: I didn't even realise it was supposed to be Malbolge

Dennis

I appended some spaces and backspace characters, which would have been undetectable unless you looked at a hexdump. I knew that the fact that there already was a Wordfuck answer would make this easier, but writing a Malboge polyglot is pretty hard...

Sp3000

To me, writing Malbolge full stop is hard :P

(nice work though :) )

undergroundmonorail

7:31 AM

Is GitHub Desktop good or should I get something else? I use the command line on my Linux box but for the rare occasion when I program on Windows I'd like something simple.

aditsu

7:59 AM

writing malbolge?!? nobody does that

you don't write malbolge, you generate malbolge

Beta Decay

8:38 AM

Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. Indeed, the author himself has never written a single Malbolge program.

What the hell is wrong with that language?!

undergroundmonorail

it's weird how you get used to this kind of thing, though

3 mins ago, by Beta Decay

What the hell is wrong with that language?!

that's exactly the response i've had showing people befunge :P

Beta Decay

I've had people weirded out by Pyth and Golfscript too

But that's usual :P

aditsu

please, malbolge is in an entirely different category

undergroundmonorail

i agree

i'm just saying it's funny how we have the same reaction to malbolge as others do to basic esoteric languages

aditsu

well, my niece has the same reaction to java :)

Beta Decay

8:46 AM

Golfed or ungolfed Java? ;)

undergroundmonorail

tbf i have that reaction to java

aditsu

regular ungolfed java

(and no, she doesn't know any programming language)

Beta Decay

I think I remember confusion when I first started. There were docs with example programs which I just copied and pasted

Didn't understand anything though

undergroundmonorail

8:59 AM

the interpreter for my language is mostly working \\o/

all i have to do is have it format output properly

Beta Decay

What's your language?

And no need to escape the backslash ;) \o/

Sp3000

It's not an escape, monorail has 3 arms.

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undergroundmonorail

i'll link it soon, i'm nearly done :P

Beta Decay

Cool :D

I think Martin's challenge has inspired loads of us to go out and make our own languages

Dunno if that's true for you @undergroundmonorail

undergroundmonorail

I wrote the spec ages ago and I wished that I had an interpreter ready for Martin's challenge, so I figured I might as well finish it so I don't have to wish that again

Beta Decay

9:06 AM

Will it be good for golfing?

undergroundmonorail

No, haha

I'm trying to decide if I should include operators for math and stuff, because at the moment even basic addition is really convoluted

aditsu

it has inspired me to go on an implementation spree for published languages (but wisdom has prevented me from starting so far)

Beta Decay

Haha that's alright. We've got enough golfing languages as it is ;)

undergroundmonorail

It's not good for anything tbh, except being silly

Beta Decay

I'd say that all you need is addition, subtraction, square root, cos, sin and tan

Actually, you don't need square root, you can work that out with an equality

Bojidar Marinov

9:10 AM

BTW, I think I have cracked an answer for codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/54833/41277 , but I don't have enough rep.... May I give it in chat?

undergroundmonorail

Adding two numbers together and storing the result in my language would be something like (this might not work, I'm not testing it or anything) t[B]>v[B]v[T]t[Y]^[Y]>b[T]

and that's assuming you've set it up optimally

Beta Decay

Ahh the problem with a popular question. Happened with the mathematical picture challenge and with the RPSLV KotH.

@BojidarMarinov What do you mean by give it in chat?

Bojidar Marinov

yeah

can't comment yet

Beta Decay

Oh okay. I don't see what we could do though. If you give the answer here, you won't get the glory

Why not try and build up some rep elsewhere?

Bojidar Marinov

maybe I can think of some hard codegolf question? :D

Sp3000

9:15 AM

Does the snippet depend on the name in the header?

Or the comment?

Beta Decay

@MartinBüttner ↑↑

@BojidarMarinov Still time to crack one of these

Bojidar Marinov

@BetaDecay will check, a bit bust right now

Beta Decay

Which answer do you think you've cracked? (don't tell us the crack yet though)

Bojidar Marinov

@BetaDecay check the link again? :D

Beta Decay

Oh haha sorry :P

@grc's one right?

Bojidar Marinov

9:22 AM

yeah

Beta Decay

I think it's probably the header so in theory you could guess here and one of us leave on comment on the answer telling grc to check if you're right

aditsu

@BojidarMarinov I could post it on your behalf

grc

hi

I'll edit my answer to give you credit if it's right

Beta Decay

@BojidarMarinov ↑

aditsu

looks like he's bust

Beta Decay

9:30 AM

Make him sound like he's a machine :D

Who volunteers to crank him up again? ;)

Bojidar Marinov

oh... my guess seems incorrect

now I have to find another one :D

sorry for bothering you...

Beta Decay

Haha such an anticlimax :)

Bojidar Marinov

:D

grc

phew :D

Beta Decay

How long until you're safe?

grc

9:34 AM

4 days

undergroundmonorail

Real comments from the interpreter for my language:

# TODO: make this not a piece of shit

----

# Some might say using global variables for this purpose is bad practice.
# I think those people could stand to be a little bit more adventurous.

That being said: Ta da!

I have to fix the way I do input (I want to automatically detect input rather than ask for it every time) but I can figure that out later

aditsu

so you have a paintbrush that paints... characters?

undergroundmonorail

yes

it's a stretch, i admit

Beta Decay

>< is equivalent to >[500*(40-40)]

Isn't that just >[0]?

undergroundmonorail

Yes

aditsu

9:41 AM

I guess that would be an interesting language for codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/52480/staircase-writing

Beta Decay

Oh okay haha :)

aditsu

or similar challenges

Beta Decay

@undergroundmonorail What's the output of your example program at the end?

undergroundmonorail

The first character of input in every colour that the language supports, starting at (0, 0) and moving right

Beta Decay

I see. So it's kind of an inverse Piet?

undergroundmonorail

9:44 AM

It doesn't actually output an image or anything, it just uses ANSI escape codes to colour characters

grc

stack overflow has just broken 10 million questions :O

Sp3000

@undergroundmonorail Does adding characters replace or insert?

undergroundmonorail

Replace

Sp3000

Hm...

aditsu

@grc yeah, they break every single one of them :/

undergroundmonorail

9:50 AM

There are some example programs now

at least, there should be

Hang on, I forgot commit and push were different

aditsu

heh

@undergroundmonorail you should show the output

undergroundmonorail

Okay, none of them do anything without input but I can give an example input/output

Martin Büttner

10:15 AM

@Sp3000 the snippet depends only on the header unless there is an override comment

aditsu

10:26 AM

that's a pretty cool system

is there a way to show all the answers on the same page?

Bojidar Marinov

10:56 AM

BTW, is there any wiki that lists non-esoteric languages?

Sp3000

Wikipedia does, as does Rosetta (see opening post for the quiz challenge)

Bojidar Marinov

@Sp3000 ty

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