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Q: Refining our target audience

Steven JeurisThis is part of the second step into an attempted reboot of this community: Rebooting Cognitive Sciences: a Suggested Approach Since the very beginning of this site, there have been differing opinions on how inclusive we should be towards non-professionals. This discussion is summarized in the...

 
 
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11:40 AM
@RobinKramer You know about the concept of 'awareness' within CSCW literature? Seems similar. :)
Amazing how you always have these duplicate definitions in different fields.
CSCW has also historically looked a lot at aviation controllers by the way.
 
11:59 AM
Oh wow, idd. Never heard of cscw before but it sounds awfully similar as human factors haham
 
@RobinKramer Well, it is part of the spin-off from human factors.
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Q: How are the research fields CSCW and HCI related historically?

Steven JeurisAs part of writing my thesis, I was trying to reconstruct how exactly the research field of Computer-Supported Cooperative Work (CSCW) is related to Human-Computer Interaction (HCI). I have a decent understanding of the differences and overlap between the two, but was wondering to which degree t...

This is a perfect example of a question which would be off-topic here by the way, but which also seems very tangential to UX.SE.
 
12:16 PM
@StevenJeuris True. This is a pure hci question that barely touches psychology. But there are many questions that are better fit for here (e.g. caller's dilemma; oddly phrased question but in essence interesting).
 
@RobinKramer Just a quick check. So your focus lies pretty much entirely on attention, which is only part of awareness, correct?
 
@StevenJeuris Yes that's correct :)
 
Okay, .. so I am making notes, but I can already tell you now I would recommend to make that more clear earlier on (also in abstract).
I was missing a bit of the motivation for your focus on EEG, ... e.g., I wrote: "What is the objective ground truth here? I am a bit unclear on how this is assessed, thus what determines 'quality'. In addition, I do not see how EEG can measure this. A short introduction would be useful."
It was a bit confusing to only read that at the end of introduction. .... I would expect motivation higher up.
 
Ah thank you :) I will have a look at it
@StevenJeuris the actual motivation was: I had to write a proposal for a neuroscience course and thus coupled SA to EEG instead of EEG to SA. Then things got out of hand and there was my thesis :p But I indeed must justify that decision a little better
 
@RobinKramer The actual motivation doesn't matter. ;p It is the final narrative that does. ;p
As long as you are not lying about methodology at least.
Multiple motivations are possible, it is kind of looking for the strongest one and making your case I guess.
 
12:30 PM
@StevenJeuris Only the results are made up ;)
 
@RobinKramer Haha. :)
 
@StevenJeuris I was thinking about making a stronger link between the SA process theory and different metrics (probably eye tracking and EEG) and then explain why EEG is more interesting
 
@RobinKramer Why is it more interesting? (it doesn't have to be by the way) Measuring pupil dilation is quite straightforward, seems easier than wearable EEG.
 
Because of perceptual decoupling, you can look at info but actively perceive the information. Eyetracker would only tell well the eyes are fixated on, but not what the subject is thinking at that moment. EEG would be able to show how attentive one is (but, as a downside cannot see where it is focused).
..but not actively perceive the information*
 
@RobinKramer Oh, ... well if that is the case, yes, that is definitely worthwhile mentioning. :)
But pupil dilation does indicate arousal no?
Not sure how well that correlates with attention though.
 
12:42 PM
@StevenJeuris true, and I don't know either exactly. at least I assume a relation between engagement (sort of attention) and workload at some point in the paper (where I describe how the SPAM is constructed)
 
In regards to the start of your discussion, how much have you looked into interruption studies?
They probably confirm plenty of your findings. The secondary task indeed can be quite disruptive, which makes me want to look into the studies where delayed RT was shown to be correlated with attention. :) It seems the effects of secondary tasks would negate that outcome indeed.
I have a more recent update of related work on interruptions in my latest paper: sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563216302308
 
You are making it very difficult for me haha. Luckily I know a thing or two about interruptions and eyetracker (made a semi successful interruption management system based on pupil dilation (as a measure of workload))
 
(2.3)
I don't think you need to elaborate on it, but it might be nice to confirm your suspicions in discussion with some interruption studies.
Just makes the argument stronger.
(if you have time ;p)
 
If not before tomorrow, I've got over a month after my vacation
 
Interruption studies measure the effects of short-lived secondary tasks interrupting a primary task, on both the primary and secondary task. A primary task here refers to higher-level goal-oriented work, like solving a Sudoku. Interruptions are short-term tasks which require suspension of the primary task, like answering a short question posed by a colleague. Interruptions can lead to annoyance and anxiety (Bailey, Konstan, & Carlis, 2001), and feelings of stress and frustration (Mark et al., 2008 and Mark et al., 2012). As summarized by Monk et al. (2008), some studies show people perform
... there you go, in case you do not have access. ;p
 
12:49 PM
Thank you so much!
You got yourself a citation ;)
 
@RobinKramer That does not make sense. Cite the ones I cite.
That is only part of my RW section.
I believe the Brumby one (2013) and the Monk et al (2008) are reviews.
Probably most suitable.
But you'd have to check.
Yeah ... for your purpose I guess the older Monk one is sufficient: " some studies show people perform post-interruption tasks more slowly, and that more errors are made compared to pre-interruption performance"
"The effect of interruption duration and demand on resuming suspended goals"
 
Ah wait, I know the Monk one indeed. Thank you
I've made a task interruption management system once based on pupil dilation (as a measure of workload). Was semi-successful even, but I didn't continue on it :(
 
@RobinKramer Yeah, that one is famous. ;p I'd go with that one. The newer stuff by Brumby is really interesting though.
I think their group provided an overview specifically of different bio-metrics and how suitable they are, but I do not recall fully
 
I'll have a look at them
@StevenJeuris Only just noticed I said it twice haha. too much processing at once
 
1:07 PM
Let me know whether you can open the comments (I made them in Acrobat reader).
Afraid I can't help out too much more without spending exponentially more time on it. ;p
But it looks good for a MSc thesis!
Don't think the shortness matters all that much, just find RW to be missing.
I would add one page or so on that.
1-2
 
@StevenJeuris Haha that's okay. Already glad with this feedback. And thank you. I'm quite happy with it too (at the moment, let's see how I feel in a year)
But what would you like to see in RW? Isn't that already described (perhaps very briefly) in the intro
 
@RobinKramer Other studies that have measured attention, .. in particular their method.
And their findings.
 
Ah okay, going more in-depth thus. Thank you. I did that for my proposal but everything had to be briefer and shorter and even briefer yet again. So that's what I used here now too
 
You talk about definitions, technology, and some results, but seem to be missing what they did, and how they did it.
That is quite important since you should contrast (or equate) your method to your RW section.
e.g. ... other studies used TTC simulation, etc ...
But .. of course, listen to your supervisor. ;p Can only tell you my perspective.
 
Cool, I will have a look at that as well :) Should I integrate that in the "situation awareness relies on sustained attention" or should I make an new header somewhere else?
 
1:16 PM
I prefer an explicit 'Related work' header.
If you look at some default guidelines that is also usually recommended.
'related work' or 'literature review', or something like that.
 
at the end of the intro then I guess?
 
New chapter. Intro should just do motivation and introduce the concepts.
Then you have an RW chapter, explaining what research has done concretely.
And then you have your study.
 
Thank you :)
This is so much more feedback than I could have asked for. People around me mostly focused on spelling and phrasing
 
Intro generally can be broken down into three paragraphs (1) 'the world', the problem, the current situation in very non-scientific terms, (2) how research has addressed this (short summary relating back to (1)), (3) how you extend on that research, optionally with some overview of findings.
@RobinKramer I did that too for introduction. ;p Hope you don't mind, haha.
After introduction, RW digs in deep into the specifics of (2) from the introduction basically.
And then your study digs in deep into (3) of the introduction. :)
 
@StevenJeuris Not at all haha
 
1:24 PM
So something along the lines of (1) lack of awareness, disasters, crashing trains, (2) awareness defined as ..., can be measured x, y, z, correlated to ..., (3) however, correlation of EEG with attention (part of awareness) has not been measured (or at least not on this HW, or easily wearable stuff ...
So the most part you have.
Well, best of luck! :)
 
Thanks :)
 
 
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6:55 PM
@StevenJeuris Are you there? I am shuffling my entire introduction and I need some advise (a)
You suggested to bump up my motivation for using EEG, but I am unable to give it an appropriate place and context. I did mention it in the abstract now, but in the introduction I cannot move it much earlier, because the entire argumentation (from new definition to the importance of attention) leads up to the use of EEG
 
7:28 PM
Is it okay to only mention it earlier in the abstract and keep it on the same spot where it is now?
 
7:50 PM
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9:12 PM
@StevenJeuris ps., Niels Taatgen, who you are referring to (at least once) is one of my professors (A)
Just like Jelmer Borst
 
 
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11:46 PM
@RobinKramer Interesting. :) Small world I would say. ;p
@RobinKramer For that I'd have to read it again, I just left my impression while reading it A-Z earlier.
To be honest, when reaching Z I did get it, so it is just mere improvements.
However, once you start publishing you'll notice such small things matter.
Oh .. Niels, he proposed the unifying spectrum of multitasking? I loved that paper.
There is way too much separate research going on, and any attempt at filling the gaps, trying to unify them I can only applaud.
2nd and 3th author though, so don't know the internal politics. ;p
 

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