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@Szabolcs That's actually pretty hilarious
 
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Q: Functions tag -- best usage?

Mr.WizardAt present the description for functions reads: Questions about the use and syntax of built-in Mathematica functions Since virtually all questions fit that description I think I much better usage for the tag is for questions about writing Mathematica functions. Please up-vote if you agree.

 
BTW the best online Greek lessons (which are much better and much more effective than any free or non-free Chinese lessons I've ever found despite Chinese being so much more popular) were broadcast by CyBC (Cyprus Broadcasting Corporation) in the 1960s @acl They are available for free with notes here: kypros.org/LearnGreek (in case you have any friends who want to learn)
 
@Szabolcs gamma almost sounds like the Dutch g
 
acl
@Szabolcs I tried to listen to it but it needs real audio (which I haven't installed)
@Heike it's closer to that than to any english g
although I think the dutch g is between gamma and chi
depending on the metric
 
@acl Yes, that's very unfortunate ... There are some in WMA format on CyBC's site, but they're also difficult to handle: cybc.com.cy/eng/… I have all of them downloaded and converted to MP3 for convenience so I could listen to them while walking, but according to CyBC that is illegal to do (they only allow listening online).
This is so annoying, considering how popular the lessons are and considering that all notes were made by volunteers, not even by CyBC
 
acl
3:09 PM
@Szabolcs presumably the idea is to prevent people form selling them (assuming someone actually thought before slapping some copyright constraint there)
 
@acl The g is pronounced differently in Dutch depending in which part of the Netherlands you are. I'm from the south where the g is pronounced much softer (less guttural) than in the west. There is also a ch sound in Dutch which is similar to chi.
 
acl
@Heike i know, but all pronunciations of g I have heard lie between chi and gamma
even the flemish (from what i remember)
 
@acl In Flemish the g is pronounced much closer to ch than the typical Dutch g.
 
acl
yes I know
 
@All Can you evaluate AbsoluteTime[{"000:03:07.447", {"Hour", ":", "Minute", ":", "Second", ".", "Millisecond"}}], tell me the result, your Mma version and your system locale?
I get 183.447 but @MrWizard gets 3.534364987447000000000000*10^9
 
3:14 PM
@Szabolcs I get 187.447000000000000
 
AbsoluteTime says: New in 2 | Last modified in 6
 
acl
same as Heike (OS X)
 
@Szabolcs 187.447000000000000
 
@MrWizard All date functions are locale-dependent too ... e.g. some date conversions only seems to work with a US English locale. This computer I'm using is set to Romanian, though it's an English version of Windows
@MrWizard What does AbsoluteTime[{"0", {"Hour"}}] give you?
 
@Szabolcs 3534364800
 
3:16 PM
@Szabolcs I get the same thing as Heike. (Xubuntu Oneiric)
 
@MrWizard Okay, how about AbsoluteTime[{"000:03:07.447", {"Hour", ":", "Minute", ":", "Second", ".", "Millisecond"}}] - AbsoluteTime[{"0", {"Hour"}}] then? Does it return the correct result?
 
acl
funny story about phi and varphi: when I calculate, I use them interchangeably (since for me they are both just phi, I have to try to differentiate, and I don't when I write by hand). Once, that cost a collaborator 3-4 days of work before he came to exasperated because he couldn't reproduce my results: there was an extra leftover term with varphi...
 
@Szabolcs with extra precision: 187.447000000000000
 
@acl Interesting. :) I tend to use $\phi$ for the golden ratio, and $\varphi$ for things like the totient (EulerPhi[] in Mathematica) and other such functions.
Oh, and also for spherical coordinates too. (I never use $\phi$ as an angle.)
 
@JM When I'm writing on the board I try to use \varphi to avoid confusion with capital \Phi
 
3:20 PM
I can see why your collaborator would be slightly miffed...
@Heike Oh, for the capital version I add tiny bars on the top and bottom.
...and always a vertical stroke. For $\phi$, I slant the stroke.
 
@MrWizard I actually checked if it interprets the time as today or as on 1900 january 1st before posting ... didn't expect the behaviour would differ between versions
 
I wonder whether it works the other way around, where people who use different alphabets get confused between the typeset a and the written a for example.
 
acl
@JM I use these bars for all capital letters too. also I add bars perpendicular to the s-curve at the end of each s to distinguish from 5. sometimes I avoid using s because this is tedious...
(you'd think I'd just stop adding bars, but no, I just avoid using s)
 
@JM My handwriting is practically upright so slanting won't help me much. I try to use bars, but sometimes I forget them.
I use a small horizontal bar for capital Z
 
acl
@Heike I use that too, but for both capital and small z. also add one for 7
I guess this sort of thing evolved so I could distinguish these letters (I used to have terrible handwriting, which for some reason has now improved)
 
3:26 PM
@acl I do that for 7 as well. And for capital J
 
Hmm, I add a hook to my 7's... tiny stroke on the bar at the top.
 
acl
to be honest nowadays I just type. I only do calculations by handwriting and write quick notes.
 
My handwritten "r" is based on this style Once one of the students didn't know what that sign was mid-semester even though I always say aloud everything when I write on the blackboard ... (it was basic electrodynamics, full of r-vectors, and the textbook used a special cursive r as well ...)
I always add serifs on my Σ :-)
 
@Szabolcs Ditto.
 
τώρα έχω και ελληνικό πληκτρολόγιο :-)
 
3:29 PM
@Szabolcs I had an E&M professor who had like 4 or 5 different handwriting "fonts" for different sorts of r's, G's and other letters.
 
@acl Many of my friends are computer scientists who hardly ever write things by hand. Nearly all of them have terrible handwritings.
 
@Eli That must have been fun to follow :D
 
@Szabolcs It actually really helped for the in-lecture understanding. But trying to make sense of my notes after the fact was near-impossible
 
@EliLansey Did he use bold fonts as well?
When @Mr.Wizard posted his Klingon alphabet question it did cross my mind to start using those in formulas.
 
@Heike Like "blackboard bold"? I don't recall. What stands out was the three different G's for different sorts of Green's functions, and different r's for dummy variables, spatial variables, fixed radii...
 
acl
3:32 PM
@EliLansey I often use second quantized operators with phantom indices (that is, the reader is supposed to work out whether they are creation or destruction operators from context)
although not always on purpose
@Szabolcs Και εγώ! Αλλά γράφω πολύ αργά στα ελληνικά
 
@acl Man, it's all Greek to me...
 
acl
yes that joke got repeated very often indeed at university!
 
Time to go
 
See you!
 
4:00 PM
@MrWizard Prepare a working answer first, then post it :P Too much rush!
 
This is it for me; later, you guys...
 
@JM Magandang gabi
 
@Szabolcs sorry, I was getting ahead of myself. Leonid and you make me feel inadequate. :-p
regarding the pane thing, can you give me an image of what you're talking about?
 
4:16 PM
Please don't! It's a friendly race, let's must mix in anything negative ... and actually I really must be working, so after this I'll log off for a while
I see nothing in the pane. I am sure it must be due to a version difference
@MrWizard In version 8 it seems to scroll below the maximum position when using a large number
 
@Szabolcs strange indeed as it does work in version 7.
Forgive me for making anything sound negative; it's not. I have been trying really hard to answer questions and I still cannot keep up with you and Lenoid. It just gives me an "itchy trigger finger" to post ASAP, and in some cases sooner. ;-)
 
@MrWizard maybe you can help me find an example that works in version 7 ... about contextFreeDefinitions.
 
okay; what areas should I try?
 
@MrWizard try contextFreeDefinition[System`ConvertersDump`iRasterize]
 
No output there either. Sounds like the converters area has been revamped.
 
4:22 PM
Hmmm
@MrWizard First evaluate ImportString["1","Table"], then try my original example
@MrWizard Some symbols don't get loaded unless you use the public functions that depend on them
 
there we go; that did it
 
@MrWizard I'll update the post with some info on how the function works
 
I am now seeing:
protectRegEx[System`Convert`TableDump`s_String] :=
 StringReplace[System`Convert`TableDump`s, $ProtectedCharacterRules]
That is the problem, correct?
 
yes, correct
 
4:57 PM
I tried to clarify my question:
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Q: What is the most convenient way to read definitions of in-memory symbols when we don't have the source files?

SzabolcsWhen trying to read the definition of already defined (package or built-in) symbols using Information or FullDefinition, the biggest inconvenience is that lots of distracting private context names appear in front of all symbol names. Currently I am using a little function contextFreeDefinition[]...

 
5:49 PM
What is the English term used for a multidimensional square grid? In 2D it's a square grid, in 3D it's a cubic one. Is there a general mathematical term that can be used for n dimensions?
 
hypercube?
 
@halirutan meta.mathematica.stackexchange.com/a/240/12 (I should have deleted the original meta highlighter discussion and let you start a new one so you can get all notifications immediately)
Thanks Eli, in the maths room people suggested to use "rectilinear" or "Cartesian"
 
CHM
6:10 PM
Hi.
 
6:32 PM
hi
 
6:50 PM
@MrWizard Gotta do something else than science sometimes ;-)
 
 
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7:58 PM
@Szabolcs Yes, really nice to have feedback and to know that there are other users using the script:-)
 
8:20 PM
@Szabolcs @halirutan You can star (favourite) a post to get updates on edits and new answers even if it isn't yours. The notification is rather non-obtrusive (so that you won't be bombarded with messages if you have several favorites) and you'll have to check your profile page on meta to see if there's a number next to the "favorites" tab
 
acl
@yoda actually favouriting a post seem to do anything for me, should I get a notification?
 
@acl not in your inbox or top bar, but in your profile
 
acl
@yoda right, all this time I was wondering about this...
 
just in case others were wondering where to look...
 
8:52 PM
@acl Do you know why there's a difference between MapThread and manual threading?
Apparently compile is happy with all of them (which is what I took away from the functions-that-will-compile qquestion), yet there's a difference
making sense of the compiler report (beyond the obvious) is not something I'm used to
 
9:28 PM
@szabolcs you're out there?
 
@SjoerdCdeVries here
 
@yoda compiler doesn't support boolean tensors. Andy Ross has it right: put Boole inside and it becomes a real tensor, which is OK.
 
Hi
Ok,let's discuss this faq tag
what would be the ultimate goal of tagging a question as faq?
 
The point is not really the tag
It was @JM's suggestion, but let me try to explain it as I understand again
There are a number of questions which will get asked again and again and again (we know that from experience on SO and MathGroup)
 
J.M didn't mention the tag
@Szabolcs that's clear to me.
 
9:32 PM
@Sjoerd But if you look at how they did it on math.SE you'll see that they have a tag as well
as well as a meta post listing all these abstract questions
 
I see the need for a FAQ, but I don't see what a faq tag would do
 
there has to be a list so people know which question to point the asker to when a question gets closed as duplicate
it's also useful to browse it
 
what list are you referring to?
 
there's a precedent for this, not only on math.SE but also on SO
see the tag for example
 
A list of questions tagged as faq?
 
9:34 PM
A list of high quality questions that can be used to mark questions as a duplicate of ..
 
If you're goin g to mark the duplicatequestions as faq that wouldn't be helpful
are you proposing that?
 
Why?
 
I thought you did
 
I am proposing to mark all those question that are in this list with a special tag: meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/1868/…
Are you saying that this is a misuse of tags?
 
There are two things:
1) a list of meta questions & answers and
 
9:36 PM
This is also how they do it in math.SE: math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/faq
 
2) a list of duplicates
are you proposing to tag 2) with faq?
 
I am NOT proposing to tag closed duplicates
that would serve no purpose at all, and some of them will get deleted anyway ...
I am proposing to do the same thing that people did on math.SE
see the links above
 
OK,I think I misread your post. I thought you
were proposing to tag 2), which didn't sound useful
 
of course not!
 
you 'sound' emotional. Did I say something wrong?
 
9:41 PM
@Sjoerd No no, don't worry, I am just really tired, it's things offline
sorry about sounding like that
let's talk tomorrow!
:-)
 
Well, take care. Don't get yourself a burnout.
 
acl
@yoda because tensors of booleans don't work
oh right I see you worked it out already
 
@acl is this documented anywhere that you know of? I only discovered it after I looked into why it was that MapThread[Greater, _] didn't compile.
 
acl
@OleksandrR I don't think it's documented unfortunately.
(I don't think they can be packed either)
 
9:58 PM
Apparently not. Good point.
 
 
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acl
11:21 PM
@Rojo that was a nice answer on the fourier question
 
Thanks @acl
 
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Q: Deleting comments after suggested improvements have been made

Sjoerd C. de VriesLet's assume that I receive a flag on a comment added to an answer, asking for the removal of said comment because the suggested improvement has been used to update the answer and the comment is now moot. Should I delete this comment? I would hesitate to do this, as I strongly believe in "credi...

 
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