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6:04 PM
So... no FEM and no theorem prover in 9. These are certainly nontrivial undertakings, so are they to appear in 10, I wonder?
 
@rm-rf @SjoerdC.deVries This just ran out in the sand? meta.mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/630/…
 
@ssch Could you elaborate?
 
6:21 PM
@SjoerdC.deVries The bot still tweets to]](twitter.com/StackMma/status/272515936215506944) #obscuretag when it would be more likely to get people over here if it had #mathematica it would catch the eye more people interested in Mathematica especially with version 9 coming about now
 
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Hi there, mike
 
Sorry, daughter < 1.5y
 
good morning @halirutan
 
6:29 PM
Hey Sjoerd
 
@ssch that's the SE bot, not mine. That one is called MathematicaAtSE
 
@Szabolcs haha ;-) 7:15 ended my night this morning.
 
Quick Mac question: what's the idiomatic way to install command line binaries? Create ~/bin and add it to the PATH in .profile? Or .bash_profile?
 
Anyone got a v9 yet?
 
@halirutan I'll incorporate your changes into the palette and push an update eventually. But I want to test with v9 first
 
6:31 PM
I have betas but not the real deal
 
got a new machine, excited to try CUDALink finally. ...
 
@szabolcs what GPU are you using? The one in my laptop is a bit weak but CUDALink at least works.
Saying that, pretty much the first thing I tried exposed a bug walkingrandomly.com/?p=4198
 
@Szabolcs Yes. Btw, did we had email-contact some time?
 
@halirutan yes you have my address
 
ok
 
6:36 PM
@WalkingRandomly GForce GT 650M. But I never had the chance to try it in the past, so it's going to be all new
 
@Szabolcs You want to set it in .profile. This here is very helpful
 
@WalkingRandomly Oh god what a bug :O
 
acl
@asim Yes I think that's the most important thing to be added over the last few versions for me. It allows it to be used for serious numerical work in some cases when it otherwise couldn't
 
@Szabolcs OK. Mine is a GT 555M so I think that they are comparible with yours being a little stronger. Of course the nice thing about having a CUDA card is that you can try CUDALink and OPenCLLink :)
 
acl
@rm-rf yes, that is what it looks like.
 
6:38 PM
@WalkingRandomly I saw this yesterday while I was reading through some of your blog-posts.
 
@ssch indeedy! What made it worse was that I was demonstrating Mathematica to someone who hadn't used it in years. 'Check out how easy it is to tap into the GPU' said I.......He wasn't impressed!
@halirutan so you're the one :)
 
haha i can imagine
 
@WalkingRandomly Who increased your web-counter?
Yes
 
hmmm CUDAQ hung ...
 
6:40 PM
@Szabolcs have you downloaded the CUDA paclet? It takes an aaaaage!
 
@Szabolcs But you turned your GPU on first, yes? Do you have a MacBook?
 
Going through the v9 docs it looks like we have to revisit many old questions to update them.
 
@halirutan yep, with hybrid graphics ... no idea how it works, trying to figure it out now
 
You have to use the high power profile.
Energy Save Preferences in the top left corner of the screen
 
@SjoerdC.deVries no need to do it all in one hit. It will take people a while to get to version 9 and some people will never upgrade.
 
6:42 PM
@Szabolcs Then "Higher Performance" and you need at least to re-login when I remember right.
 
Finally new legends. The end of the function we loved to hate?
 
is it bad to be extremely excited about the legending in v9? (reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/PlotLegends.html)
 
@SjoerdC.deVries haha, i just saw the same reference :)
 
I do note that my colorbar package is a bit defunct now reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/BarLegend.html
 
6:43 PM
@halirutan There's an option "Automatic graphics switching", I turned that off. It returns True now. Let's see if it really works
@SjoerdC.deVries I was wondering about that too!
 
@tkott amazing coincidence!
@WalkingRandomly Right! We have had at least two questions in that.
 
@SjoerdC.deVries Would it work to tag the answers with version number?
 
@WalkingRandomly fwiw, I think that that would be helpful. We would just leave the answers as they are, and start answering new questions with a preface of Version 8 or 9
 
@tkott yep
 
Answers can't be tagged, questions can.
Notice the red letters here?
 
6:56 PM
@SjoerdC.deVries I noticed several problems in the M9 docs so far. For example, on the Image3D page, an entire output is red.
The overall look of the new docs is nicer than in M8 though, I think.
 
@OleksandrR. The doc look is very cool. Noticed that More Information is rebranded as Details.
Legends look really good.
 
acl
hm this would have been useful when I was writing my phd
and it has legends!
 
I'm surprised that the spikey is the same! Perhaps this should better be looked at as 8.1 than 9.0? Maybe WRI is feeling the pressure from the competitors to bump up the version numbers more quickly than in the past.
 
acl
no undo??
 
@OleksandrR. There's enough there to call it a .0 release in my opinion. There is much more in Mma8->Mma9 than MATLAB 2010b->2012b for instance
 
7:07 PM
@WalkingRandomly I agree, but think of 5.1 and 5.2. They added major features too, albeit not as many.
 
@OleksandrR. I guess so but version number is just marketing stuffs isn't it. Doesn't matter a fig what they call it
 
Well, yes, just that in the past they apparently had a different policy in regard to that than they do now.
 
As far as I can tell, they haven't developed the GPU links much/at all...which is disappointing
 
Agreed, but it is not that easy to do and only recently have good enough GPUs been available to make it worthwhile for them to do this rather than let the users write their own code.
They also do not support 64-bit MinGW gcc, which I find a little annoying considering that it isn't hard to do.
 
@OleksandrR. I guess so. I'm one of the support-guys on a nice HPC cluster at Manchester University with a set of reasonably good GPUs (C2050s, C02070s). People are doing lots of GPU stuff there in MATLAB for instance. Would have been nice to get them doing more using Mathematica
I had a devil of a time getting those infernel CUDA paclets working on our HPC cluster but that's another story
changing the subject completely...there is a little '805' just under my chat icon on here. What does that refer to? My rep here isn't that high
 
7:18 PM
Yes it is... that's the total rep for all SE sites. :)
 
lol so it is...thanks :)
 
The chat isn't associated to Mathematica.SE but is a separate SE site in itself.
Anyway, your users are lucky to have such support. I get the strong impression that nobody here really cares about providing IT support that goes beyond installing software and perhaps fixing certain problems if they are not too hard and the people responsible can be bothered to do it.
 
@OleksandrR. Well I am lucky to be in a Uni that values such work :) I get to play with all sorts of fun stuff and get paid for it too. Where do you work?
 
I think I had better not say, although I am in the UK. I'm just a PhD student currently (but will have submitted by Friday and become a postdoc on Monday).
 
Congratulations :)
 
7:24 PM
Thanks... well, save the congratulations for now; we'll see if I survive until Friday...
 
lol. And I understand why you want to keep quiet about complaining about uni IT support in a public form..However, if you are at Manchester, feel free to email me and let me know what's bugging you. I can't promise I can fix but I'll certainly have a crack
 
@WalkingRandomly I am not at Manchester... I am at another Russell group institution.
 
oooh. Guess the uni :D
Would be cool if you were in Sheffield...we could go for coffee. I have to do the Sheff-Manchester commute daily
 
@WalkingRandomly afraid not. But let's stop the guessing games now. ;)
 
looks like the most important new feature for pure math is symbolic tensors
in MMA 9
 
7:27 PM
@OleksandrR. OK :D
 
acl
@OleksandrR. York?
 
@AndrewMacFie what would you use them for?
 
and hopefully the predictive input will save some time in the docs
@W
 
@AndrewMacFie as long as you can turn the predicive input off
 
@WalkingRandomly linear algebra homework... i guess
 
7:28 PM
@acl very good guess but no.
 
@WalkingRandomly i think i'd prefer it on, but it would probably be good to be able to disable it
 
acl
@OleksandrR. oh well. I'll quit guessing then (I'd venture IC, but...)
well, support was more or less nonexistent when I was a phd student too.
 
i guess for symbolic tensors, you could see if MMA can verify an identity that would otherwise require looking in a book or something
 
@AndrewMacFie I just like configurability that's all. What's good for you isn't necessarily whats good for me etc etc
One piece of good news is that there is no stinking ribbon in Mma 9 a la MATLAB 2012b
 
acl
only windows machines; also the support guy was (very) hard of hearing so it was tough communicating
then he was transferred to electrical engineering and we had no support personnel. believe it or not
 
7:31 PM
@acl it's not lack of support personnel so much as people who are very difficult to work with. Also I am pretty sure they all hate me since I repeatedly tell them how incompetent they are.
 
Support at Manchester includes training in packages such as MATLAB, Mathematica etc, code review and optimisation, installation problems, free high throughput computing for all postgrads+researchers
 
acl
@OleksandrR. well, at least a) they exist and b) they can actually hear you :)
 
@OleksandrR. I've been told that a few times ;) Fortunately, I can give as good as I get
 
acl
@WalkingRandomly that sounds like fantastic support (the training)
 
There's always more we could do...too much cool stuff, not enough staff/time
 
7:35 PM
@WalkingRandomly your users don't know how good they have it, then :)
 
:) I gotta go. Need to cook dinner or I'll have a divorce on my hands. Good chatting to you all
 
Okay, bye! And nice to have you here!
 
Thanks. Nice to be here
 
@WalkingRandomly bye
 
7:51 PM
@OleksandrR. I'd "guess", but that wouldn't be nice =)
@AndrewMacFie Heh, hopefully it'll save us some "How can I plot this in pink" questions
 
Just writing the conclusions to my thesis now. Laser plasma is pretty amazing actually. Before I started this I would never have thought you could get 1.5 keV ions from just a few mJ of UV light out of a boring old standard nanosecond pulsed laser.
 
8:15 PM
Bummer. At the bottom of the "New in..." v9 doc page there is a button for requesting a trial. I got sent a download link, but it's for 8.0.4.
 
@SjoerdC.deVries I got fooled by that one too...
@ssch I've pinged the SE devs... hopefully we'll hear from them soon.
 
@rm-rf ;-) I wonder how many did the same today...
 
8:31 PM
@SjoerdC.deVries: Trial links will go up tomorrow.
 
Finally, official word! Thanks @ArnoudBuzing :)
 
@ArnoudBuzing Hi @ArnoudBuzing, good to hear.
@ArnoudBuzing glad it's almost done?
Must have been hectic the last couple of weeks
 
It's always both exciting and stressful to do a Mathematica release :)
 
I have been thumbing through the new stuff. Looks impressive so far. Finally good legends ;-)
 
It's quite telling that the legends were what caught most people's attention here and excited them :)
 
8:41 PM
The process and time series material looks nice too. I'm not too familiar with that, but time series are much used in my job. I just got me a book on that and walking through it with MMA on the side sounds good.
 
Are the Trott guidebooks available as notebooks?
 
@rm-rf Question to @arnoud? Cause I wouldn't know.
 
I think the book itself includes a DVD (one for each book)
But I don't know of the top of my head if these are available online as well.
 
@ArnoudBuzing Ok, thanks. I'll take a look in my library
 
acl
9:01 PM
@rm-rf each book includes a dvd with the book itself in notebook format
 
@rm-rf It seems they're available as PDFs through SpringerLink
 
9:17 PM
@all quick silly question: I need to export some data from mathematica into maple (so that its easiest to read on the maple side of things) Any suggestions?
 
Holy cow, some nice stuff coming in V9
 
@chris what sort of data? symbols, equations? numbers?
It seems v9 will have an efficient representation for symmetric/antisymmetric arrays
 
just numbers: a list of {x,y} coordinates
what I ve done so far is Export["test.dat",dat] on Mathematica
and I ve told my Maple collaborator to use readdata("~/test.dat",2)
 
@chris try to export with Export["something.txt", smething, "Table"]
it should just write the numbers are plain text
 
@Szabolcs what about something like`str= StringReplace[dat // ToString, {"{" -> "[", "}" -> "]"}]; Export["test.txt",str]` ?
 
9:32 PM
@Szabolcs Yes, I have the pdfs, which is why I didn't know about the dvds
 
9:42 PM
ArrayReshape is simple and handy
 
hi everyone
@Szabolcs I guess your uploader palette works also with mathematics.SE and in general with all SE sites. Correct?
 
 
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10:56 PM
has anyone seen whether two axis plots will be done "out of the box" like every other software can do. I found the "How To" (write your own code) still in the V9 docs.
 
@MikeHoneychurch I also searched for it, but didn't find...
 
will need to test this but maybe it offers a way of scraping sites that require login without using wget (which is easy enough to use it must be said): reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref$HTTPCookies.html
 
Graphics has finally a documented Method option
Shrinkwrap is in there
3D I meant.
 
@SjoerdC.deVries saw it. But it seems that rotating a 3d is still old fashioned (from what I got from the docs). That is, no way of interactively choosing the pivot point
 
@MikeHoneychurch Nope. You still get to make two-axis plots by hand.
 
11:11 PM
@BrettChampion what would the internal rationale be in having a software that does all sorts of esoteric plotting but can't do stuff that most people do day in, day out, and can do in pretty much every other software package.
 
@BrettChampion Image Assistant and other predictive interface look very interesting, but I was very disapointed with the lack of drag and drop (block diagram) and spreadsheet (multi cell or super cell) kind of stuff :-(
Do I need to input Quantity[8, "Meters"] or is there a cleaner way of writing it in the input cell? From the videos I saw examples of the user going to the wolframalpha equal sign to get the units... well, I simply have to wait for tomorrow...
 
11:32 PM
gauges -- useful for building GUI dashboards: reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/Gauges.html
 
11:44 PM
@MikeHoneychurch while it's cool, was there a pressing need for gauges? In other words, why did this take priority over other features? I know, only WRI can answer that (and they won't), but I guess it had to be asked...
 
11:54 PM
@rm-rf I agree it seems a bit trivial, but WRI must have junior staff in addition to the Daniel Lichtblaus, John Fultzes, and Adam Strzebonskis... given that they are producing a major release it's highly likely that everyone will be doing whatever represents the greatest contribution they can make, and the juniors have to do something productive, don't they!
 
@rm-rf in terms of what users need, just from users I know and from here and Mathgroup, I agree it would be a low priority.
@rm-rf features essentially reflect what developers think might be "cool" not what users are demanding. -- the 20 year absence of 2 axis plots being exhibit #1 to substantiate that.
 
I would like to know who wrote the general linear algebra stuff. As well as being probably the most significant aspect of this release its documentation is written in a very straightforward way and not the quasi-patronizing or handwaving fashion of some other areas.
 
@OleksandrR. Hmm. if you put it that way... :)
 
Does anyone know anything about @Heike? She hasn't posted in a while.
 
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