@JimG. i was simply recommending best-of-breed encryption.

If there's anyone around that still believes in Programmers - feel free to participate here: meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/4013/… - and meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/4034/31090 . I'm afraid there's starting to be an infectious feeling of hopelessness. Prove me wrong!

@MadKeithV My personal feeling of hopelessness is because I've made many attempts in the past to try and get P.SE to change, with no success. In many cases I feel like my attempts are met with outright hostility. Feel free to browse the questions in my meta profile for some examples

I've seen many users who used to think the same way I do about P.SE leave. And unfortunately if all the people who want change leave, its easy to say nobody wants the change.

@Rachel - I've actually browsed your questions and suggestions in the past week, I've been slowly taking it all in, comparing it to my own recent experience, and forming my own opinion. You have indeed put in a lot of work (unfortunately, fruitless work, it seems) to try to convince the site to take a different tack, thank you for that.

@MadKeithV Thanks :) Unfortunately I think SE has decided they don't want to use their framework for the type of site that Programmers once was and that I'd love to see again, so I think its time to go find or build another site.

@MadKeithV - Can you do something to bring some visibility to questions you think shouldn't be closed? Either Meta, whiteboard, or start a re-open room chat?

My current pet peeve is too localized. On SO a six-walls-meet-at-one-corner case bug on a compiler 3 people use isn't too localized. Here "this is my real world design problem with a bunch of issues that occur in the real world" questions get close votes for too localized, and we should love those questions. The answers always include concepts useful to others.

And we are awfully tough on subjective questions in general, even good subjective.

Speaking of which, @maple_shaft, why isn't programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/165400/… good subjective? There is a bit of rant but he does try to encourage genuine answers. Is it too broad?

@psr He's explicitly soliciting a discussion: "genuinely interested in hearing from seasoned developers". It's not appropriate to ask or poll for thoughts and opinions. Clean it up, make it into explicit questions, and remove any solitications for discussion and flag it for a review. However, it's rather rantish - he doesn't cite any large framework's he's used and generalizes them all as sucking.

@ThomasOwens - He doesn't ask "any thoughts", he wants to hear from people. He is asking for answers, not discussion. I can't clean it up when I can't tell what the problem is.

@psr There is no question. That's the problem - there's nothing to answer.

Somebody rang?

@psr Well IMHO if it is not NC then it is NARQ. I agree with TO

LOL WTF thats a lot of acronyms

@maple_shaft - I was wondering if you were using your phone for a minute there :)

Personally, I would have closed as NARQ since there isn't a question. No one should have to think - there should be at least one question mark in the question. Depending on what that question was, it might or might not be NC. If it's still ranty, I don't see how it can be constructive.

@psr I don't even think this chat room works on my blackberry

let me try

@maple_shaft I'm always pleased to inspire science.

@psr h/o I am gonna log out and try to jump on from my blackberry

I can read messages, but even when logging in with OpenID the blackberry browser seems incapable of retaining my session

@psr I can read but not respond to messages

Hey all

@WorldEngineer How're things? :)

Wow

busy

@WorldEngineer sounds risky

@WorldEngineer and your other aspects?

I used to be INTP, and now I'm ENTP

I can't find where I or if I wrote down my percentages

I prefer the Malcolm Gladwell personality assessment. gladwell.com/2004/2004_09_20_a_personality.html. It uses the dimensions of Canine/Feline, More/Different, Insider/Outsider, and Nibbler/Gobbler. I like to augment it with Zealous/Persnickety sometimes.

@psr intriguing

Anyway the reason I came was to see if it would be possible when I'm next free to come in an brainstorm idea for my personal project

I can try that if I'm free at that time.

I'm assuming it's the one you posted a question about, that Karl had put a bounty on?

yes

that is one aspect of it

I partially feel the bounty made people rush to answer when I clearly hadn't thought the question through well enough

You kind of get an answer quickly or not at all anyway, mostly. And it's hard to ask a fully thought through "How should I design this?" question early enough in the process to be really helpful. I would like to see more such questions on programmers personally.

Anyway, let me know if you open a room for brainstorming.