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user114359

12:53 AM

@gnat I agree, the answer is incorrect even if it is coherent and not spam or other rubbish. I downvoted.

Duga

1:06 AM

Perhaps it should be migrated to programmers.stackexchange.com instead? — Jonathan Schuster 45 secs ago

Duga

1:17 AM

It is an interesting question and I look forward to seeing the answers but it feels like it might be better suited to programmers.stackexchange.com since it is more conceptual — Mike D. 57 secs ago

durron597

6:41 AM

When a tag says "Do not use this tag" in all caps, why do you decide to use it anyway? — durron597 25 secs ago

Duga

8:00 AM

@JeremyC. this is an answer, not a comment :) Seriously, the question doesn't seem that bad to me. Of course it is obvious that he is a beginner, but hey is this site only for advanced programmers? — Josef Sábl just now

MetaFight

8:59 AM

@durron597 that's a bit harsh, isn't it? Odds are they didn't look at the tag blurb.

durron597

@Yannis how's it going over there? you surviving?

Duga

@QPaysTaxes This code can be argued either way, but would likely fall again into opinion-based. There are design concerns, but as Xanatos's answer demonstrates, there are also a handful of reasons to take a certain path. I still stand by the fact that it was opinion-based for this site though. Shame to think there isn't a place for this type of question, unless of course it is Programmers, but I haven't read the requirements there either recently. — Adam Houldsworth 10 secs ago

Duga

9:27 AM

probably this is the newest question regarding licensing on meta. It is(/was?) on-topic on programmers.SE. (Though as I understand this question was about a font license, maybe that is also related to programming, but I am not sure.) — Gábor Bakos 15 secs ago

Duga

11:03 AM

@AdamHouldsworth I have a feeling this question would be too broad for Programmers, but hopefully a programmers user will clarify whether or not I'm right about that. — Simon André Forsberg 20 secs ago

MetaFight

I've been contacted about an "Exciting ERP/CRM opportunity." Impossible.

André

11:38 AM

I bet they laugh at it every time they say it. "And then I said ERP was exciting !"

user114359

12:44 PM

@André Thanks, Internet, for the mental image.

André

nods

user114359

Seems to me that ERP is the embodiment of Rule 34. Which is scary.

Telastyn

1:17 PM

sigh

public interface ITsPropertyConfiguration<in TEntity> : ITsPropertyConfiguration, IDataStoreEntityPropertyConfiguration<TEntity>, IDataStoreEntityPropertyConfiguration, IPropertyConfiguration<TEntity>, IPropertyConfiguration, IEquatable<IPropertyConfiguration> where TEntity : class, new()
    {
    }

user114359

That interface is very enterprisey.

MetaFight

what is TsPropertyConfiguration?

the phrase "Property Configuration" scares me.

André

1:32 PM

It's one of those things that let you have 3000 hidden parameters on one critical, monolithic function

Telastyn

I can't tell you.

I think it's our own internal reflection mechanism for arbitrary data stores.

MetaFight

that sounds bad. It sounds "generic repository" bad.

Telastyn

we totally have generic repositories.

André

woohooo!

Telastyn

those bits aren't too bad.

MetaFight

1:33 PM

I made the mistake, once, of having my repositories be backed by generic repositories. That, in itself, isn't bad. As long as the generic repository isn't floating around the application you're OK.

André

nods

MetaFight

The bad thing is that the next round of developers really liked the Generic Repositories and used them willy nilly... without confining them to non-generic implementations.

André

As long you hide it under some DAO

At least it weren't floating SQL codes everywhere

MetaFight

@André exactly.

Telastyn

yeah, not so much here.

they're hidden under services

but the services just use them

durron597

1:35 PM

HAY GUIZE THIS PERSON HAS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ASK

-17

Q: Reaching questions limit

When you reach your question limit stackoverflow bans the account for further questionings but if the same user wants to share a very important question after being banned then I don't think it would be useful for other users also. What's the main purpose to make the reputation down of any user?

MetaFight

free-floating generic repositories make it really hard to refactor stuff donw the road.

André

I know, sadly

Telastyn

yeah, well having marker interfaces that aggregate 6 others makes stuff really hard to refactor.

durron597

@Telastyn That is the code equivalent of this: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/21?m=22408463#22408463

Telastyn

heh

MetaFight

1:37 PM

but, the property configuration!

overexchange

1:48 PM

Did anybody go thru this specialisation course in java on android?

coursera.org/specialization/mobilecloudcomputing2/…

How is the market for this domain?

user114359

@durron597 I am on the edge of seat, eagerly awaiting his temporary question ban to lift so I can read his next important question! So exciting!

Robert Harvey

2:25 PM

@overexchange The same as any other domain with the word "cloud" in it.

Android's probably not going away any time soon, and despite the term being mostly marketspeak, there are some merits to "the cloud."

Telastyn

also, targeting your learning to be marketable (as opposed to knowledgeable) sounds like trouble.

4

Robert Harvey

2:42 PM

How do you get rid of those red editor marks along the right hand margin in Word? Is there a way to strip out all of the editing history before sending it to someone?

Duga

This could probably be more suited for the [Programmers stack exchange].(programmers.stackexchange.com) — Rein S 7 secs ago

Robert Harvey

NVM, we'll just copy/paste all the text to a new document.

Thomas Owens

It's in the view.

You can hide it, or you can go through and accept/reject changes to make them go away for good.

Robert Harvey

The Accept All and Reject All are dimmed. Why would that be?

Thomas Owens

That I don't know.

I don't think I've ever seen them dimmed before if the document had changes.

durron597

3:18 PM

@Snowman I NO RITE

@ThomasOwens how's your internet situation? how did your release go?

durron597

3:34 PM

Anyone know the story behind this?

-34

Q: Javascript performance, conditional statement vs assignment operator

Is there a difference in performance between the conditional operator === and the assignment operator =? I am writing some pre-save hook middleware in mongoose and I am wondering if there is much of a speed difference between : UserSchema.pre('save', function (next) { if (!this.isModified()...

javascript performance

user41796

@RobertHarvey Ctrl-Shift-E enables / disables tracking of changes

user114359

@durron597 43 downvotes and it is still open, weird.

durron597

@Snowman It's not even a bad question

user41796

And under the Review tab, there's an "accept" button with a chevron. Click and hold and you'll see a "accept all changes" option

durron597

It's kinda dumb, but not 43 downvotes dumb

user114359

3:36 PM

@durron597 that is probably why it is still open

durron597

I guess it's because of this

You are running this code once before saving an user in the table. This is like wondering if dropping a bucket of water into the Atlantic Ocean will make ships go faster or something. — Esailija Jul 16 '13 at 21:39

user41796

@durron597 stackoverflow.com/posts/17686749/timeline Shows the votes are fairly spread out over time too

durron597

@GlenH7 It's under 1000 views

user41796

> For those of you who are wondering about the code, first off I made a blatant error in my original post, then when everyone tried to point it out to me I cried like a girl, that's probably the reason for everyone down voted.

durron597

@GlenH7 If the person self deleted they'd pick up 68 rep

well, 66 i guess because an accepted answer +2 would disappear.

Thomas Owens

3:40 PM

@durron597 Have Internet at home now, so I should be able to put some time in during the evening starting tonight.

durron597

It would be enough for the view close votes privilege

Thomas Owens

Still doing the paperwork part of the release, but I'm not all hectic at work anymore. Just nice, steady days.

durron597

@ThomasOwens Hooray! Did you notice that I advanced the tags in the chat sidebar

Thomas Owens

Oh. Yeah.

durron597

I decided to do both of the next two together because there are so many fewer tags

Also because legal and copyright seem like they're going to be painful and require lots of editing.

@ThomasOwens By the way, you can delete the education and jobs answers now too, obviously, once you've put their tags in the blacklist list

@ThomasOwens This answer is the one I'm most interested in you working on

Thomas Owens

3:44 PM

OK. I'll start to look tonight.

durron597

@ThomasOwens thx

Thomas Owens

I've updated the blacklist list.

Could you let me know if I've missed anything there?

durron597

@ThomasOwens Well that's good to know, I can't see deleted community wiki answers even if I have the most revs, if I was not the original poster.

user41796

Two more delete votes from the 20k crowd, please

durron597

@ThomasOwens So, my first thought is that, I believe, Stack Exchange policy is not to blacklist things that we don't think are going to be a problem of coming back

e.g. learning-curve

Thomas Owens

3:50 PM

Yeah. I suspect some won't be. But I want to capture them all in one post for now.

durron597

8

A: Implement a Tag Black List

We do have a blacklist, to be clear -- it's something the dev team has to enter because it's so dangerous to get wrong. We work with the existing site moderators to determine what's bad enough to be blacklisted. It has to be quite bad. And yes we are still planning to implement tag synonym rema...

Do we want to sort into "high priority" and "low priority"?

What do we think about junior-programmer and senior-developer? should they be in STCI? @GlenH7 @MichaelT @ThomasOwens @gnat

user41796

Junior is empty

durron597

@GlenH7 I typooed, it's -programmer not -developer

user41796

That makes more sense

user41796

Senior looks to be a collection of low quality questions

user41796

4:00 PM

Skimming the first page of junior and I'm pretty underwhelmed

user41796

So I'd vote that both could safely get kicked into this round of STCI

durron597

@ThomasOwens I added mentor to the blacklist list. I don't have the list of career in front of me anymore (not 10k), maybe you or @GlenH7 could take a look

0

A: Structured Tag Cleanup Initiative Phase II

junior-programmer senior-developer At first I wasn't sure if these needed cleaning, until @GlenH7 and I looked at the questions and found a bunch of underwhelming questions. Both questions are around 40% closed already, not a good sign.

Upvotes pleez

durron597

4:17 PM

Paul Rudd Conan (reupload)

►

user41796

Sorry, but begging for up votes isn't tolerated in here. Can't have any accusations of a voting ring going on. :-D

durron597

@GlenH7 But how else will I get my meta reputation up??

user41796

:-)

ratchet freak

@durron597 they are comm wiki, no rep to gain from those

durron597

user41796

4:32 PM

@ratchetfreak It's meta.progs, no rep to be gained at all.

durron597

@GlenH7 Aw I thought my Picard facepalm was adequate. :-P softie

user41796

Pro-tip - if you're going to show up in CA casual for your interview, you better be able to knock it out of the park.

durron597

@GlenH7 CA casual?

Like, flipflops and ripped jeanshorts?

user41796

@durron597 close

durron597

@GlenH7 wifebeater?

user41796

4:37 PM

Collared, buttoned shirt. But ... a bit tattered

user41796

That faux pre-faded / pre-distressed type look

user41796

@durron597 Do you remember your quandary on trying to figure out exactly what to wear when you were in NY? Let's just say today's candidate had none of those challenges from what I can tell.

durron597

@GlenH7 I went with a tucked in Polo, slacks, loafers and my good belt

at least one of my interviewers looked like he was still in his pjs

Thomas Owens

Speaking of belts, why does my brown belt have the color scraping off in parts while my black belt doesn't?

I don't understand.

durron597

I think I could have worn pjs and no one would have cared.

@ThomasOwens same brand / manufacturer?

Thomas Owens

4:43 PM

@durron597 Yeah.

user114359

@durron597 I was at a customer's office one time and there was a guy who showed up in sweatshirt and sweatpants every day

user114359

Another guy wore a suit every day and he was just a regular guy, not a C-level or manager.

Duga

ah, crap, this question is on-topic on "programmers" but off-topic on stackoverflow, I just read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/274963/… this is so confusing (why two forums? can this question be moved there?) — cap 40 secs ago

durron597

@ThomasOwens Weird.

user41796

4:58 PM

@ThomasOwens Holes might be in different absolute positions, so to fasten the brown belt it rubs against the buckle a bit more

user41796

@durron597 And you had been smart enough to ask the recruiter what expectations were - then you dressed to expectations.

durron597

@GlenH7 Yeah, I would not dream of wearing a polo to an interview at your company.

user41796

It's all about meeting expectations.

durron597

Your company, the way you've described it in the past, would be suit mandatory (for me, anyway)

user41796

I'd agree. Anything less than that and you've put off about half of your interviewers for the day

user41796

5:00 PM

It's a stodgy environment, no two ways about it.

durron597

Rule of thumb: if none of your interviewers are wearing jeans or below, wear a suit.

user41796

Yep

enderland

There's nearly no harm in bringing a suit/tie, you can always take off the tie if you decide the culture is "not that formal" and a suit/no tie dressshirt looks pretty casual (higher end of business casual for sure)

and you can take the coat off if you still feel awkwardly too dressed up

user41796

Or you can just demand that all of the interviewers step up their level of dress to match yours. :-D

durron597

@enderland At google my recruiter specifically told me that flipflops and a hawaiian shirt would be fine

I think there can be harm in being much more formal than your recruiters. I wanted to be "professional but not pretentious"

I don't consider a suit to be "much more formal" than an office that requires no jeans and a buttondown

But I do in an office where I get interviewers in comic book tshirts and hoodies. IIRC three of my interviewers were wearing a hoodie.

user41796

5:12 PM

I think his comment was more towards when you didn't have a chance to ask the interviewer what expectations are.

user41796

And you ought to be able to take the company's line of business into account in order to determine what the norm is.

durron597

@GlenH7 Bank = suit

user41796

Absolutely

user41796

And for some roles, I'd expect a vest to be appropriate too

user41796

"How many zeros after the leading significant digit? Sure, I can put on a vest with the suit for an interview..."

durron597

5:15 PM

I can't imagine an interview where a vest would be mandatory

I can imagine freshly polished shoes being required

But ultimately, developers aren't customer facing

user41796

[E|S|?]VP of top end investment brokerage?

durron597

Even in a bank.

Oh, I thought we were talking developer interviews only

user41796

Nah, I don't think a dev would ever pull a 7 digit salary

Duga

Being a question about 'conceptual questions about software development', you might have more luck getting this answered on programmers.stackexchange.com — neontapir 15 secs ago

durron597

@GlenH7 Perhaps not, but certainly a strong 6

You have no idea what Eric Lippert makes ;)

user41796

5:17 PM

True. Very true.

user41796

And Skeet can afford to write technical books (generally a losing proposition), so he's got to have some backing too. :-)

user41796

I'm pretty certain I'll never be working at the level that either Eric or Jon do.

durron597

Lippert got outbid by someone away from 16 years of being a key visual studio dev

to poach someone that senior at microsoft? His company makes C# analyzers... they need someone with very specific, internal knowledge skills

Hard to imagine someone not a former developer at microsoft writing this article

Thomas Owens

Eric Lippert works for Coverity now?

durron597

Eric Lippert, Seattle, WA

347k 89 742 1599

c# .net generics linq multithreading lambda inheritance

Thomas Owens

5:29 PM

Wow. Coverity is a really nice tool.

Really, really expensive, though.

If you have an OSS project, though, they'll scan it for free every so often.

durron597

@ThomasOwens They have to pay Eric.

Thomas Owens

So many scans per unit of time.

@durron597 Haha. True.

Duga

5:54 PM

Hi Manan, I understand that you have already done some research on this topic, but this site (SO) is specifically for solving programming/coding or software development tools questions... Your question may be related to the latter, but basically, people voted that you should "improve your question", so I suggest you to try to ask this in the stackexchange programmers site, maybe there you will have a better answer. Good luck! — Armfoot 39 secs ago

Telastyn

@ThomasOwens - yeah, been like 2-3 years now. He was on a call with my company when we were looking at it.

durron597

Any scrum experts around to answer a question

user55340

One more delete vote: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/50601/…

André

I'm more knowledgeable with waterfall practices, I can try to answer

durron597

@André Waterfall is the opposite of what I want to know ;)

André

6:08 PM

haha I know

enderland

depends what type of scrum you are doing, are you doing "management wanted agile so we modified waterfall into a two week planning cycle" types of scrum?

durron597

@enderland I'm doing "we had one cowboy programmer doing whatever the f he pleased and now we have a second programmer so it's time to start behaving"

enderland

sounds like you need a rodeo

durron597

I am also entirely in charge of what we're going to start doing

@enderland Good thing we live in Houston.

enderland

PERFECT

durron597

6:10 PM

@enderland It's in March, though. I did go to this years. rodeohouston.com

Duga

6:27 PM

But it is strongly related to programming because I would like to know if there are any specific examples of binary trees being used by programmers in their programs - so who better to ask than programmers. I will remove if others share the view above but I believe that people on this site are best placed to answer. — sw123456 13 secs ago

Robert Harvey

Duga's question looks like a good candidate for migration to Programmers.

durron597

@RobertHarvey Asking for examples? :-/

It would need an edit.

Robert Harvey

Not exactly. You'd only need one.

durron597

> and if so what examples are there of their uses?

Robert Harvey

That's a red herring. He's looking for guidance on where binary trees (that is, trees with only two children) would be used. He's not trying to build a list of things.

durron597

6:38 PM

@RobertHarvey I agree, that's why I said it needs an edit.

Robert Harvey

Better?

André

nods

Robert Harvey

OK for migration now?

durron597

@RobertHarvey NOW it's okay.

Ixrec

seems OK to me

durron597

6:44 PM

@RobertHarvey There, I even threw a flag on for you.

Robert Harvey

Migrated.

In other news, this code:

try
{
    Monitor.Enter(this);
    /// Do stuff
}
catch (Exception)
{
    throw;
}
finally
{
    Monitor.Exit(this);
}

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A: locking a resource via lock within try. Is it wrong?

I need to deal with the fact that the code within that lock block can throw exception And there's your problem. That's a terrible situation to be in. Why are you locking in the first place? Usually the reason why you lock something is because you want to implement the following logic: l...

durron597

@enderland I'm having this huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge problem that I could use some help with. We have all these terrible off topic questions in the legal, copyright and source-code tags. There are links in the star sidebar. Could you help close them please?

/me isn't manipulative. nope. not at all.

user114359

Nuke from orbit:

user114359

0

Q: Supreme Court denies Google API

Since the supreme court denied hearing googles appeal, and API's can be copywriteable does this mean that any of the javascript library's can be copyrighted ? I.E I make a hugely successful website off of angular, can google sue me for revenue?

discussion

durron597

7:00 PM

@Snowman How does that guy end up in Meta, anyways

user114359

@durron597 it does not happen often but I do have to wonder about the main-site question that are posted to a site's meta.

enderland

7:14 PM

CV audits here are hilarious, "you mean this question only has 1 CV and is from May and is terribad?" :)

Duga

Shouldn't this question be migrated to programmers? — user1598390 17 secs ago

user41796

9:23 PM

@MichaelT - I hear ya. OTOH, there are quite a few upsides.

durron597

9:38 PM

@MichaelT Yeah, complaints from the guy who gets friday off every other week plus vacation.

user55340

@GlenH7 indeed. This one was in the top 5 I've gotten.

user41796

@durron597 I've got the option for 9/80 days as well; the extra hours just don't fit my schedule though. He's got me beat for total vacation time though

user41796

@MichaelT At job^^, I really learned the meaning of "mediocracy" for a work environment

user41796

Oh, and they had pro-rated my raise because I had only been employed full time for 1/3 of the year.

Jimmy Hoffa

9:58 PM

Finally got the dual boot for my mac all working with networking and wireless

Setting up a dev environment from scratch is always a fun fresh sensation, all clean, all yours, all right

@MichaelT should I stick with the bootcamp drivers for the graphics card, or do you think the standard modern nvidia catalyst are as good as anything else for the nvidia in this macbook?

user55340

10:21 PM

Unless there is overwhelming reason to do so, I'd stick with the boot camp drivers to have a better known state.

user55340

FWIW, I use crossover rather than vm or dual boot. It works for the things I need it to. Probably would not be happy with a dev env.

user55340

(Crossover is a wrapper around windows apps that translates syscalls into mac syscalls)

Jimmy Hoffa

oh

yeah, I suspect visual studio would dump a load. To be entirely honest, I'm relatively fine with Mac's save for the keyboard bindings, and lack of consistent unified package management. I find it basically like linux except slightly less consistent and flexible

the key bindings are the biggest problem... ctrl+arrow should skip words, not alt, and windows+c/v/x are absolutely the wrong copy, paste, cut combos. Home/end go to beginning/end of line not page and ctrl+home/end go to beginning/end of page

durron597

11:48 PM

@MichaelT Can you downvote some of these please? I've downvoted them all

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