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12:00 AM
and I use it that sign for that reason
 
user20683
@MRS1367 Or you can trust that the person reading is not stupid and can parse your text. We aren't computers.
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@WorldEngineer yep I know
oopsss
 
My two cents is that here is a different media, you will be better understood if you adhere to it's standards
 
but it's for separating the name of the referred person from the texts too
 
user15026
@RobertHarvey smacks you on the nose with her English diploma
 
12:02 AM
@André I understand and try to do my bests to respect the rules
 
hey @AshleyNunn, what you have been playing lately?
I sat to play, but I have no idea what to play
 
and I said I used to
 
user15026
@MRS1367 Trust me, we are all giving you advice because we've been in here for quite a long time, and are trying to help you with conventions that are expected in order for you to get the best help.
 
user15026
@André A lot of mobile games, actually.
 
user15026
Or Hyperdimension Neptunia Rebirth.
 
12:03 AM
@AshleyNunn I know and I said thank you
 
user15026
Or Fist of Jesus.
 
and I'll try to respect the rules
but it's hard
 
user15026
Just because it is hard doesn't mean it isn't well worth doing
 
user15026
platitudes, and all that
 
cuz I used to and I'll try to avoid them
@AshleyNunn and I know, and I will try to avoid using them
wooopppppsssssss!!! :P
 
user15026
12:05 AM
One thing I suggest a lot is going back and reading something before you post it
 
user15026
saves you a lot of editing.
 
@AshleyNunn and I only can say I've used to press Enter/Return key after completing my words ^_^
and I'm not stupid
I know that every words that every one told me about my written method
 
user15026
I never said you were, but you seem to have to edit a lot of messages, so I am trying to help. It's not something everyone thinks of doing.
 
just for myself
 
user15026
Hell, it's something I've had to learn to consciously do.
 
12:08 AM
for taking better answers and behaviors from other persons in chat-rooms
and I'm thankful from every one that try to help me in this way
but I think that
it's better we tell the weaknesses and faults of my friends indirectly
and if (s)he has more than one, it's better we don't tell him/her every case at once
in different times and with different methods
I think that it's very better than telling all things directly and at once :)
 
@AshleyNunn, I suppose I will get back to Battlefield 3, finished dragon age inquisition, was okay
 
I think you might be better served at programmers.stackexchange.com. — nana 36 secs ago
 
user15026
@André I've not played either of those - I tend not to play most AAA releases because either I am not interested in them, or I have trouble playing them because of the controls and the like.
 
user55340
At some point, I'll diagram this song:
 
user15026
12:19 AM
@MichaelT diagram? Sentence diagram?
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn Listen to it...
 
user55340
The guy's part of the song loops back on itself.
 
user15026
I am, but I am finding it really hard to listen to (the voices are kinda mushy)
 
user55340
> sometimes I'm convinced that

an exhausted sofa will sigh, longing to be a hammock swaying in a tropical breeze, tethered between two palm trees



the hammock sighs longing to be a magnificent bed in a luxury hotel in a great city while two Champaign sipping sophisticates meet for an elicit tryst



the cigarette lighter they use after there stolen hour sighs in a crazed desire to be the eternal flame that illuminates a graveyard of forgotten soldiers who gave there life in a forgotten war
 
user55340
12:20 AM
> and I wonder do the practical #2 pencils of accountants fantasize about drawing bawdy pictures of urban sophisticates in a luxury hotel

does the luxury hotel dream of dropping it's facade of rectitude and becoming a flop house quartering a poet sprawled on an exhausted sofa composing brilliant, unpublishable verse while being pestered by bill collectors on telephones which grow disgusted of tormenting the multitudes for niggling sums so that those telephones begin orating the sermon on the mount.
 
user55340
> we might hear the tale of a fleck of floating lint that had once been a part of a soldiers boot lace that he gave to his beloved to lace her corset the night before he died in a forgotten battle in a forgotten war.



A fleck of lint that was once part of the molecular structure of the linen sheets in a luxury hotel lying beneath the skin of a cheetah, now reduced to being a bed spread, yet some how evolved into an alley cat which was gutted to became strings of violins that entertained elegant guests in a luxury hotel
 
user55340
So that lint -> forgotten war; the cigarette lighter -> eternal flame -> forgotten war
 
user15026
I am still not sure what kind of diagramming you mean, unless you just mean mapping the phrases?
 
user55340
It starts out with the sofa -> hammock -> bed in luxury hotel -> while two Champaign sipping sophisticates have a tryst.
cigarette lighter they have -> eternal flame -> forgotten war -> quite evening at home
#2 pencils -> drawing pictures of urban sophisticates in luxury hotel -> becoming a flop house on a sofa (from the start) ...
 
mates
sorry for asking again
just for ensuring
can ask about every thing related to programming in here?
 
user55340
12:34 AM
You can ask nearly anything in here. We may not always be the proper community of experts to answer it though.
 
user15026
1 hour ago, by MichaelT
@MRS1367 You can ask. There are very few questions that one can't ask in here. Wether you get a useful answer is another matter. I believe that the majority of the people who frequent the room are more focused on the programming side of the world than the administration of services... so if your IIS question is more administration than programming, we might not be able to give you a useful answer.
 
user15026
aka you can ask, but we can't guarantee an answer (especially on the weekends, when chat is much quieter)
 
and can I refer to an asked question in SE websites
or it's invalid
 
user15026
What do you mean, invalid? As in not allowed?
 
@AshleyNunn -> yup
 
user15026
12:35 AM
You can refer to a question, but if it is from another site, you might find better help on that site.
 
user55340
We've occasionally had conversations about questions on other sites... including pets, gaming, code golf, stack overflow, server fault, philosophy, CS, skeptics, math...
 
@AshleyNunn it's about programming
and no one can help me
in any where
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Q: New Created Custom List Shape Doesn't Work in Microsoft Visio 2013 x64

MRS1367Objective: First, I should say what I want to do, and then I'll describe what I've done to achieve to my Goal in the next (Descriptions) part. I want to create a Custom List Master Shape from the Plain Container of the Diagram Parts section in the Insert tab of the ribbon. Then, I want to creat...

it's not really for coding
 
user55340
That might be better directed at SuperUser.
 
user15026
@MichaelT Yeah, for sure. Just depending on the site, you might find better help where the experts might be more likely to congregate :)
 
it's need describing some logic about how Visio treats in creating Cutom List Shapes
 
user55340
12:38 AM
Superuser and Stack Overflow have some overlap with certain applications. For example, excel formulas get asked on each site... and are on topic on both.
 
@MichaelT and in there can share a question?
 
@MichaelT thank you :D
 
user55340
As you don't have an answer yet on SO and its likely too old to migrate, I'd copy the text, delete the SO question and then repost it on SuperUser.
 
@MichaelT thank you
 
user55340
12:40 AM
I'd also take a bit of attention to try to make sure you don't get it closed for being too broad... the "6th (Final) Question:" may cause people to shy away form answering it if they can't answer it in its entirety.
 
I'm trying to avoid them :D
you see, my questions is always complex and in most cases no one can help me :(
and I've found the answer after 1 month or more :(
 
user55340
 
but this question has frustrated me :(
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn see, the diagram... and it got complex. Now I have to make room in the luxury hotel box for a 'skin of a cheetah' which links to an alley cat which links to violin strings that entertain the guests at the hotel...
 
@MichaelT -> nice :)
 
user15026
12:46 AM
@MichaelT It delights me that you made it though!
 
user55340
And then there's another bit from that fleck of lint that gets into beer...
 
user55340
that you die, and become grass, that is eaten by cows, that becomes a meal at the luxury hotel...
 
user55340
its a complex song!
 
user15026
I am getting that impression :P
 
user15026
I wonder if they diagrammed it when it was created :P
 
12:47 AM
@MichaelT I forgot to sat thank you. so, thank you :)
 
user55340
@durron597 Whee! (I still wonder if SE is ever going to run a query and go "hmm... thats an odd blip..."
 
@MichaelT That returned 39 questions 10 minutes ago
 
user55340
Now what you do is do the 2..2 questions so that it feeds whoever does the 1:1 questions.
 
I clicked on half of them, every one I cilcked on was either +3/-2 or +2/-1
 
user55340
12:50 AM
And you wonder how some of them ever got up votes...
 
user55340
2
Q: Gambit-C and Chicken comparison?

EonilWhat's the difference between Gambit-C and Chicken?

 
user55340
2
Q: Are you using the Fundamental Modeling Concepts?

Daniel HonigIf so how are they being used? http://www.fmc-modeling.org/

 
@AshleyNunn: Old habits die hard, I guess.
 
user55340
2
Q: 14-digit Barcode Generation in php

kumar_vI need a separate class to generate barcode in php. Can any one tell me now?

 
I'm guessing that @gnat might have been the one going thought the +2 questions. Because he's a bot, you know.
 
user55340
12:52 AM
(or you invoke the wrath of Robert on those questions...)
 
Probably only a few thousand of those to go.
 
user55340
@RobertHarvey 2,577
 
Told ya.
 
user55340
however, I'll point out that when I started after the 1..1 questions on SO awhile back, there were 3k of those.
 
user55340
The main difference there is that those only needed single down votes to hit the roomba.
 
12:54 AM
@MichaelT and can you give me it's link when you do that?
 
@MichaelT What is that, 2 upvotes, 2 downvotes?
 
user55340
@MRS1367 when I finally get it complete, I'll put it on my blog.
 
@MichaelT you mean in that internet address you've added as your website in your profile?
 
user55340
@MRS1367 That's me.
 
@MichaelT ok and thank you again
also, you can find it in two other places
I always ask my questions in 3 different Internet websites
 
1:04 AM
@MRS1367 I personally find that practice irritating. I do some Google research for someone, and whaddaya know, there's his question again.
Find the best site to post it on, and go with that. Repost only if you don't get an answer.
Heh. "Is math done with larger numbers more expensive?" -- possible duplicate of How Do Computers Work? – gnat 2 hours ago
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@RobertHarvey I do it, cuz I know that it's complicated and needs more attention
if my questions be simple, I only ask it in one place
@RobertHarvey and thank you for try to guide me to the right direction :)
 
1:53 AM
@RobertHarvey Isn't the answer: technically, yes
just like technically, fuller hard drives weigh more?
but the difference is so small you need million dollar budget academic projects to prove it
 
 
1 hour later…
3:00 AM
@MichaelT ok. When you say implementation, you are talking about concrete classes(public/private) written as part of package by tomcat and other vendors.. So this is one use of an interface.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:18 AM
@Sumesh Welcome to StackOverflow. This site is primarily a question and answer site for professional and enthusiast programmers. As far as I can understand this question is not related to programming. I hope you can find your solution somewhere else on the web. — kshitijgandhi 30 secs ago
 
 
6 hours later…
11:29 AM
@KevinBrown - have we considered moving this to Programmers.SE? — Scott Whitlock 37 secs ago
 
 
2 hours later…
user55340
1:37 PM
DBConstants.CHAR_FLAG_ENUM.Y.toString().equals(something)
 
I had something like that on Java and hibernate @Column(lenght=1) String flValid;
[sigh]
 
user114359
@MichaelT I love it when we convert objects to strings and compare the strings. Because OOP is not about data hiding and abstraction, right?
 
user55340
It converts an enum to a string. Again and again. I wonder if that gets cached... But still. Why not just have a "Y" there?
 
1:52 PM
Because the "Y" can change right?
 
2:20 PM
There should be a ratemyrecruiter website like ratemyprofessor
 
user114359
Glassdoor could fill that role
 
user55340
3:02 PM
Need to write a good canonical duplicate for can I change the license on my own code.
 
"because literal strings are evil"</sheeple>
and then you fire that person.
 
user41796
@MichaelT I felt a bit odd with that VTC as dupe, but it really is given the source license (BSD)
 
to the down vote because my question is off-topic. From Help-Center , but if your question generally covers [...] software tools commonly used by programmers; [...] then you’re in the right place to ask your question!. I think this is pretty much what I was asking here. — unverschaemt 54 secs ago
 
user41796
3:19 PM
You asked: "What recommendations do you have with regards to performance and usability when managing this sort of applications?" Have a look at the help center and specifically what's on-topic and off-topic. Your question is about application administration which is off-topic for this site. — GlenH7 11 secs ago
 
user41796
^^^^ Please go VTC (and consider down voting) the source question for that comment.
 
@Telastyn Aren't magic strings pretty much de rigeur for factories (and DI containers, for that matter)? stackoverflow.com/q/6607171
 
@spelufo the sort of environment your question fits better is a discussion forum, not a Q/A site. A question asking for recommendations, suggestions, or opinions does not fit a Q/A site but more a discussion board or chat room.. — enderland 1 min ago
 
user55340
@Telastyn oracle doesn't have a Boolean data type. Char(1) is standard. That said, that approach was convoluted with grabbing it from an enum.
 
user55340
There was another one that did a new Boolean(flag.substring0,1).equalsIgnoreCase("y")? true : false))
 
user114359
3:31 PM
@MichaelT I am not even sure where to begin criticizing that code.
 
user55340
Start with new Boolean.
 
user55340
But that code is now gone too.
 
True, False, FileNotFound
 
A couple of questions I VTCed a few days ago have not yet been closed. Is that because people think they are fixable?
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Q: Unit test cases(JUnit), not by developer but other team members

riteshI have a very interesting situation. Management has strictly asked to do unit testing for the code being developed and divided the task in such a way that few are developing the code and others are writing the test cases for the code. Now developer keeps on refactoring the code and others keep on...

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Q: Should I use a source-to-source or a traditional compiler in order to develop my own Programming Language?

Rederick DeathwillI'm really interested in writing my own general-purpose high-level programming language, but I'm somewhat confused. I know that Python and Ruby were written in C, but that makes me wonder: "If I want to write my 'own Python', should I use a source-to-source compiler in order to translate all the...

Former, as written is clear career advice. The second, as written, to me is opinion based
any thoughts on how to fix either / both?
 
user55340
It's because I haven't seen them in the queue yet.
 
3:36 PM
@MichaelT They both still need one more (after you)
 
user41796
@durron597 I held off on VTC'ing that one because of the answers. When I started thinking about it, I thought the question was a bit non-trivial and really did need expertise to back up the answer
 
user41796
But it's kind of a naive type question too. Naivety isn't an off-topic reason though. Yet.
 
@GlenH7 I'm convinced that as written it's opinion based. However, this does not mean that close is the correct action (as opposed to "edit")
 
user41796
My initial take was to close as opinion based, I agree
 
@GlenH7 Also, the second one is pretty nearly a duplicate, see Dan Pichelman's links
It's not exact but it's darn close.
@Telastyn what do you think? You answered it.
 
3:57 PM
I communicate with jsp from servlet by saying something like: this.getServletContext().getRequestDispatcher("/output.jsp").forward(request, response); If I just like to use html/javascript instead of jsp, How would I communicate with html(with javascript) from servlet where html is sitting in WebContent of my DynamicWebProject? Is it the same call with html file name?
 
user114359
@durron597 I retracted mine as well. I like the question, it is an interesting topic. It is probably still technically too broad or opinion-based, but the positives outweigh the negatives in my opinion.
 
@Snowman I don't think it's opinion based anymore. Too broad, maybe.
 
user114359
First question is not salvageable, the author already knows what to do and just needs help convincing management.
 
user41796
@durron597 That's a people problem not a technical problem. I don't think there's any way to salvage it.
 
4:05 PM
It's also a duplicate of this, right? programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/35610/…
Well, the part that isn't a people problem
 
user41796
"How do I convince PHB" and "How do I explain Foo to PHB" fall into an impossible to properly answer rabbit hole. There's a reason why they're called PHBs.
 
In other words, if it were going to be edited into a form that isn't a people problem, you'd be left with the linked question (or maybe this question)
 
user41796
yes, agreed
 
user114359
@durron597 I still think "which language should I target?" is opinion-based in this case. There are clear cases in the real world of languages working both ways (targeting ASM or C), and I am not sure that it is objectively answerable. There is no expert consensus other than "generally target ASM, unless you feel like doing something else like this list of other languages do"
 
@Snowman Many moons ago, I used ANTLR to generate java code from a custom language
I think "should I generate Java code" or "should I generate C code" would be opinion based
I think "should I generate assembly" vs "should I generate anything other than assembly" is not opinion based.
 
user114359
4:09 PM
@durron597 I disagree, my opinion is different ;-) there are good reasons for going either way, but in the end neither way is truly superior and the decision is highly specific to the programmer and the project.
 
@Snowman "I am not an assembly programmer. Should I write my compiler to target assembly" has a pretty clear answer
 
user114359
REGARDLESS I still think the question should be left open, which is why I retracted my vote. It is a good question regardless of any of this arguing.
 
user114359
If assembly is the right way to do it, then add step 0: learn assembly.
 
@durron597 - shrug I feel that even though it is opinion based, it is unlikely to generate flame-war-ishness due to its limited scope and since experts are likely to agree. Since I err towards leaving borderline questions open...
 
@Telastyn Do you think my edit is an improvement?
 
4:13 PM
@durron597 - enh? I thought that was implied by the background information given, but I just go out of a braindump meeting and am lacking food, so may not be in the best of states to evaluate such things.
 
Y'know what sucks about an open office environment? There's no way to ask for time to speak with someone privately without it being a public request. Managers should absolutely not be in cube areas. This I believe sincerely- communication with managers should be able to be had in a private fashion.
 
@JimmyHoffa You can email a manager to meet you in a conference room?
 
you should replace your statement with "everything"
 
user114359
@JimmyHoffa Y'know what sucks about an open office environment? Everything.
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@durron597 yes, still; "Hey, wonder why Jimmy and The Boss just got up and went in there"
@Snowman Yes. Good point.
 
4:17 PM
@JimmyHoffa "They're planning a surprise birthday party for johnny"
 
@durron597 no, right now, it's pretty obvious what somebody would pull a manager aside for.
 
@JimmyHoffa R.M. Pitts forgot to wear deodorant again?
(I'm just giving you a hard time, I agree with you, open office plans suck)
Of course, ducking into a manager's office will also be seen by everyone.
 
@durron597 he's wearing it on his face again. It's fkn creepy, he's like an overly fresh smelling mime
@durron597 depends on the office layout. Typically that's not the case and besides, you go into managers offices for all kinds of reasons constantly, just as a course of work that you're doing with them. No one knows if it's because you have to ask for some time off, or a private matter. When they don't have an office, you ask at their desk with everyone around if it's not private.
 
you should have 1 on 1s with your boss weekly. A good time to bring up things that aren't emergencies.
otherwise chat works well for that.
 
@Telastyn I haven't had weekly 1 on 1s with a manager in like 8 years...
 
4:25 PM
What's a 1 on 1? :P
 
My experience has been they find such a thing just irritating because it spends their time meeting with me when neither of us have anything of import to share. Handy for those scenarios where there is something important, but otherwise...
 
the #1 thing a manager can do to not suck donkeyballs.
 
@Telastyn ? buy me beer?
 
hey, I've done 1 on 1's at the bar.
 
4:27 PM
@Telastyn I've given up on doing 1 on 1s because every time we do one, I just get outraged about something fucking stupid
"hey boss, it really upset me when you tried to guilt me into coming in on good friday even though you and i would be the only people there instead of just asking me explicitly"
"why does that bother you? you know you're behind, what do you think you should have done? you're not even catholic"
me: "... forget it"
 
yeah, if your manager is horrible, going through the motions isn't going to change that.
btw, yours sounds extra terrible.
 
BOSS: Why don't you come in on Friday?
ME: Thanks, but I already have plans.
BOSS: You're required to come in on Friday.
ME: OK.
 
@RobertHarvey That would have been fine
There's no posted holiday schedule
 
My second response could have been "I can't; I have prior commitments that can't be broken." Then it gets interesting.
 
user114359
It was only a matter of time before someone asked this question, and it even made the hot question list:
 
user114359
4:31 PM
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Q: Why Muslims can't live in peace with the rest of the world?

antimuslimI don't want to look hateful, but I don't think Muslims should be tolerated in any modern and civilized society, they want to kill gays and force people to live like they live and this is something that us(the civilized people) should not accept not even under "freedom of religion" (something tha...

 
Basically, I'm a skype group conversation with some other people who work remotely. They asked if we were going to be open, my boss said yes
 
@Snowman Good title, but bad start in the body of the question.
 
then I found out the office was going to be closed.
 
user114359
Personally, I would ban any religious or political SE site.
 
yeah, not a good start.
 
user114359
4:33 PM
I don't want to sound like a bigot, but why does ${group} suck?
 
so I said "hey why did you say we're open when we're not?" boss: "well, you and i are going to be here" me: "the office is going to be closed though" boss: "it doesn't matter what everyone else does" me: "so do I need to come in?" boss: "do what you want. what do you think you should do? you're behind"
note, this rage had nothing to do with coming in on friday. it was all about presentation
"hey durron597, you're behind, I would really appreciate it if you came in on good friday" would have gotten: me: "no problem"
 
Are you behind?
 
@RobertHarvey yes
@GlenH7 I take off the high holy days every year with no problems, I'm the only one in the office who is out those days
 
Well, I don't know your situation, but software projects get behind for all sorts of reasons that have little to do with the coding. Doesn't seem like one day is going to make all that much of a difference.
 
This is not about the practical considerations of my personal life or not getting enough leeway. This is about, my boss is a jerk
 
user114359
4:37 PM
@durron597 There are only two truly holy days in the Catholic church: Christmas and Easter. I don't know about other Christian religions, but Good Friday is normally not on the list.
 
@durron597 That does seem a bit jerky.
 
user41796
@durron597 He's definitely coming across as a jerk, yes
 
@Snowman My office was closed on Good Friday. shrug
 
user55340
Days of obligation too.
 
user114359
@durron597 Did you get comp time?
 
user55340
4:38 PM
I got all saints day off at a Catholic high school.
 
@GlenH7 But my point was, in my last 1 on 1, I tried to explain to him why he was a jerk in that interaction, and he looked at me like I had two heads
@Snowman There's no such thing as comp time, this is a very deadline driven office. No one cares about whether you're at the office or how much vacation you take as long as you make deadlines
Which, admittedly, I wasn't, when he "asked" me to come in.
 
user41796
@durron597 "What? There's a problem with me? No, no, no, no. You got this all wrong..."
 
@GlenH7 In the one on one, I laid out why the interaction bothered me, and his first response was "wait, do you think you shouldn't have come in on Good Friday?"
 
user114359
@durron597 I actually like that attitude: placing value on getting shit done instead of sitting in your chair during specific times, busy or not.
 
@Snowman I do too... this job would be great if my boss wasn't a douche
 
4:41 PM
only if getting shit done has a reasonable timeframe
brb food
 
Because his boss isn't a douche.
My biggest problem with his boss is that he treats my boss like he can do no wrong
 
I get this sort of thing from my wife. On the one hand, beating around the bush, leaving hints and "I don't like the way you approached me," and from my POV "I don't want to talk about that, I want to talk about the issue at hand." On the other hand, y'know, maybe we can just communicate like two grown adults?
It takes 30 minutes to get something done that should have taken 5 because "I don't like the way you approached me."
And I get the lecture. Lather, rinse, repeat.
> I suggest you learn more about the history before making judgments (hint: compare how Muslims societies lived/living before and after the western societies invaded and occupied all of their lands)
It's always the evil white man's fault.
 
4:59 PM
Not sure who voted to close, but I'd tend to agree that it's really off topic. It might fit better on Programmers, but it's a little hard to say (I think it fits with what should be topical there, but I'm not sure the denizens there agree). — Jerry Coffin 41 secs ago
 
Lol someone just upvoted this:
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Q: How to handle my boss suddenly not responding in the middle of conversation

durron597Here's a (representative) conversation we just had. We were in the middle of a conversation about something else, where he did answer me - it's not like he was looking at code or doing something and I've just interrupted him. Me: So I was going to work on XYZ feature today, but there's two pi...

From this chatroom?
 
You and your boss have communication issues.
 
@RobertHarvey The sun rises in the east
 
Some bosses take the position that they've researched the problem, they understand the issues and tradeoffs involved, and if they provide proper specifications that they ought to be able to hand that to someone in isolation and get it done, without having to explain why it needs to be done.
It's not good or bad, it's just their management style.
 
@durron597 Oh, that is why Japan is called Nippon
 
5:07 PM
@André Did you know that the sky is blue?
 
I do agree with the "more direct questions" that the top voted answer offers. If he's any kind of decent boss, he should be able to answer direct, specific questions about the project.
 
@RobertHarvey I brought it up because I was ranting about my boss and then a few minutes later someone upvoted that question. I wondered if someone in this room was searching my The Workplace questions
I solved the problem in that question by not talking to him ever
 
Too bad I can't use that technique with my wife.
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey It can lead to some very expensive changes in life circumstances
 
People use to say that me and my boss at Employer^^ were like an old married couple. We'd argue all the time, sometimes about things that were inconsequential. In retrospect, some (if not all) of those arguments were personality conflicts. To this day I don't like the way he runs his business, but it's his business to run, not mine.
 
5:12 PM
The way I resolve my girlfriend always wanting to talk about irrelevant stuff instead of what the real problem is by 1. staying calm 2. refusing to talk about anything else except the real problem
she doesn't like it, but even she agrees we settle issues way, way faster than we used to
(i used to do neither of those two things. heh)
 
@durron597 heh. My last girlfriend told me she never had more efficient fights than with me. I didn't let our fights go offtopic :) I told her that I saw a fight as a problem that we both wanted to solve and that I was searching for the best solution for both of us. She appreciated that and now uses that approach with her current boyfriend.
 
It's hard to escape the irony in that.
 
lol
 
@MetaFight ha :-/
 
We got really good at resolving conflict... and then realised after a lot of conflict that we'd be better as friends. We're BFFs now. yup, I said BFFs. I'm 12.
 
5:23 PM
@MetaFight A 12 year old with a bionic commando avatar :-P
 
His avatar wears no underwear?
 
@RobertHarvey And can't jump
 
well, literally I'm 33. Figuratively I'm anywhere between 3 and 60. I'm the most immature old man you'll ever meet.
 
@MetaFight 32 here
 
When did Monday morning become talk-about-your-feelings-in-The-Whiteboard time? Feelings should only come up in a discussion of how you feel about booze. I've found bitters in sweet tea is bloody delicious. I feel great about bitters now. See how that's supposed to work?
 
5:25 PM
Monads.
There. Feel better?
33 was a good age for me. I was still waking up in the morning without pain.
 
@JimmyHoffa It's punishment because this question is still open
 
speaking of feelings, I get to go interrogate people about the tree of marker interfaces now.
 
@Telastyn A tree of them? ick.
 
psr
@Telastyn Don't forget to hug the trees.
 
oh yeah, there's like 6 of them in a hierarchy. I'm hoping that they're just placeholders and not actual marker interfaces.
 
5:27 PM
I hope you're right.
 
Actually I've been putting bitters in everything recently. It's pretty great. Bitters + ginger beer + lime juice = num nums
 
a tree of marker interfaces is only slightly worse than public interface MyInterface { Type CastType { get; } }
 
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@JimmyHoffa I suppose that would explain the extra degree of bitterness lately.... :-)
 
@GlenH7 in the words of my 5 year old - Burn!
 
@JimmyHoffa Confession: I don't really understand what bitters are
Reading wikipedia just now didn't help
Are there different types / brands? Like, I know the difference between, say, tanqueray, hendricks and bombay sapphire
 
5:31 PM
@durron597 I'm frankly not certain what they are, just know that I've come to like the flavor whereas I used to think it far too strong and bizarre. Not sure when I got to like the flavor; maybe from drinking manhattans.
 
But bitters is always just "bitters"
btw, ginger beer is the greatest cocktail ingredient ever.
 
@durron597 yes. I believe they're basically just highly herbal alcoholic tonics. What type of alcohol is not something I'm aware of, but I suspect the amount of herbs and spices and their strength etc makes the alcohol irrelevant as the flavor completely overtakes any alcohol they put in.
 
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@durron597 @MichaelT likely has the most experience with them given his time in bars working through various experiments.
 
@durron597 good ginger beer is the greatest thing ever. No, ginger is the greatest thing ever.
 
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@JimmyHoffa generally would have to be vodka, right? Everything else imparts a flavor from the booze itself.
 
5:33 PM
@JimmyHoffa If I went to a large liquor store looking to buy a bottle of bitters, I would just ask for bitters, there would only be one kind? or many kinds?
 
@durron597, jagermeister is one kind of bitter
 
@GlenH7 the theory that vodka has no flavor is a crop of nonsense, as well as the myth of "you can't smell it on people" pah! People smell alcohol on you because ethanol is a highly unstable molecule, and when it's breaking down in your blood stream the byproducts leak out your pores and out your lungs
 
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@JimmyHoffa vodka has less flavor than the others
 
The type of alcohol doesn't change the fact that ethanol breaks down in your body and puts off an odor, saying it has no odor because it's clear is like saying gasoline has no odor because it's clear
 
@André jaegermeister is something that you might consider drinking straight. I've never heard of drinking "bitters" straight.
 
5:35 PM
@GlenH7 depends on what you classify as "others" - everclear, or white rum are both equally as tasteless as vodka.
 
a manhattan is made with something called "Angostura bitters", right?
 
@durron597 bitters - angostura is a brand, you could use peychauds, I had a manhattan this weekend with orange bitters which was delicious
 
Actually, I guess it's not that weird that cocktail menus wouldn't say what brand of something they're using
 
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I'm a bit surprise wikipedia lists jagermeister as a bitter. Perhaps that's what it started out as...
 
though margarita menus generally do say the type of tequila.
 
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5:39 PM
@durron597 I'm not sure there's that much competition amongst the particular flavors of bitters. Whereas there's lots of competition within the tequila and curacao markets.
 
I guess there's not that much difference between tanqueray and bombay sapphire in, say, a long island iced tea, but if you want a G&T you'll know
 
@durron597 of course, if somebody offered me a knob creek manhattan I'd politely tell them to get the bloody hell away from me
 
@JimmyHoffa ... because a manhattan is supposed to be made with a rye whiskey, not bourbon
 
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@ThomasOwens looks like a good old fashioned edit war going on, eh?
 
@durron597 ick ick ick no. I mean yes, but I hate rye almost as much as most bourbons.
There are only a few non-sweet-as-hell bourbons I particularly tolerate, and I quite enjoy them but otherwise I pretty much stick to irish and scottish whiskeys. Makers Mark is a typical good quality manhattan that's not overly expensive; this is what I use at home. Otherwise there's a couple locals - stranahans, breckenridge - and I know Benchmark Bourbon works well too. Otherwise I like Jack Daniels but that's not technically bourbon
@durron597 why you asking about a Manhattan anywho? If you want to try one I'll give you the best recipe and the simple variations to find your preference.
 
5:52 PM
@JimmyHoffa you brought it up, not me
 
@Snowman Gone now, can you make a screen of the revision page for those of us who aren't 10k?
 
16 mins ago, by durron597
a manhattan is made with something called "Angostura bitters", right?
or did I bring it up and lost track of what I said? Meh..
 
@JimmyHoffa Well, you were the first to mention a manhattan, but I asked that more to understand bitters than to understand manhattans
 
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@durron597 It was basically Thomas Owens removing an off-topic paragraph and the asker rolling back the change... multiple times.
 
5:55 PM
@Snowman aha
 
user114359
How many times do you need a moderator to say "this is off-topic, don't put it back"? That guy? At least twice.
 
ah. Meh. And yes, I use angostura in a manhattan; that's the typical. But it doesn't have to be, the point of bitters is to have a very strong flavor such that you only splash it in to a drink to bring out one of the flavors in partcular or balance them (in a manhattan it balances them)
In the drink I mentioned above of ginger beer + lime juice, the bitters really brings out the lime and sourness in the ginger beer to give the whole drink a tangy flavor
 
@Snowman Amusing, but ultimately silly (i.e. can't be taken seriously).
 
@JimmyHoffa what ratio are you using in that drink?
@RobertHarvey Everything on mcsweenys is amusing, but ultimately seriously.
 
I see that alcohol has taken over the Whiteboard again.
 
5:58 PM
@durron597 in a normal glass I'd put maybe quarter-half shot of lime juice, and splash bitters to taste (you don't measure bitters in a way I'm aware of; perhaps splashes?) - I just shake it into the drink violently for about 3 seconds.
 
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@RobertHarvey Just returned back to its rightful place
 
maybe 3-5 good shakes of the bitters - it has one of those dripper tops like a soy sauce
 

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