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user41796
7:00 PM
@im1dermike In a small shop, then there's a chance, yes.
 
so the people answering the question made an assumption that i worked for one of 5 consulting companies in the US and ruined the thread b/c of that?
 
odds are you work for one of the big ones
you didn't specify, so they went with the odds
 
user41796
@im1dermike Did you scope your question otherwise?
 
how many devs call the big 5 the company they work for?
 
user55340
7:02 PM
Check out the links in the description... note that they're single character links later on.
 
user41796
@im1dermike IBM employs > 100k within Global Services
 
user41796
Oracle likely has similar numbers
 
user55340
 
user41796
Deloitte & Touche have huge ranks.
 
user41796
Accenture is a monster measuring in the hundreds of thousands as well
 
7:03 PM
so, yes, chances are good
 
user41796
So off-hand, you're looking at ~300k - 600k devs across those firms
 
what about not working in those firms/
 
user55340
Tek is there too... though they're more a body shop for all types (not specifically computer)
 
@im1dermike IDK, go google it
 
user55340
Worked at Taos for awhile long time ago... back in the late 90s (before the dot com crash), they had about 500 people out at any given time.
 
7:05 PM
ok....
 
user55340
There are also places like Infogain (?)
 
user55340
The following is a list of the largest information technology consulting firms in the world, along with their corporate headquarters location and the total number of consultants they have. Many of these serve primarily as third-party consultants. Many enterprise software companies, such as SAP and Oracle, employ their own consultants for services related to their own products. Among the corporations listed below, the number of consultants listed is less than their total number of employees. Note: Not all employees of these firms are consultants and firms with less than 10,000 employees are not...
 
user55340
@GlenH7 200k consultants for Deloitte.
 
i still don't understand why people who responded would assume i work for a big 5 b/c i didn't "scope it" when you could infer from me asking the question that i think i can make a change
 
user55340
IBM has 190k
 
user41796
7:07 PM
@im1dermike You'd be amazed at the number of Don Quixote-esque questions we get. Lots of people think they can tilt at windmills.
 
user55340
From India, Tata (it was Infosys I was thinking of?) has 276k.
 
weird I can double upvote comments when it gets migrated (my upvote on P.SE stays)
 
user41796
@MichaelT Sounds about right; likely their largest division
 
user55340
Accenture is an Irish company at 281k.
 
so why did it make sense to assume it was a don quixote-esque question instead of answering it reasonably?
 
user41796
7:09 PM
@enderland And now I'm nearly out of flags on TW
 
user55340
@im1dermike I'd point out at even at "smaller" companies (IT department of about 100 total), there is much tilting at windmills.
 
user55340
And tiny ones (< 10 devs) can have their share of windmills and entrenched processes.
 
user41796
@im1dermike Because it's a disservice to encourage someone to tackle the impossible
 
my question wasn't "do you think i can make a culture change?" it was "how can a positive culture change be made?"
 
user41796
"Sure, go ahead, tell a multi-billion dollar grossing international firm how to run their business."
 
7:11 PM
if you can't answer the question, then don't ruin it with your answer to a question i didn't ask
"impossible" is changing the culture of a company?
haha
 
user55340
@GlenH7 "Sure, go ahead, tell a struggling small shop that if they spend some non-billable time over here, you can change the balance sheet..."
 
user41796
@MichaelT quite true
 
we already discussed your assumption on my company size being incorrect
so every consulting firm is either big 5 or a struggling small shop
got it
 
@im1dermike the point of my answer isn't that it's impossible, if you read it I never said that. But you are asking a question with loaded assumptions which need clarifying. Changing a consulting company to act like a non-consulting company is what you are effectively asking - without clarifying this difference any answer is pointless
My answer pretty much applies regardless of company size, I'm not even sure why you guys are so focused on this
 
user55340
@im1dermike I've worked at huge, medium, and tiny. Changing things isn't going in and telling them that they are wrong. Thats true of all sizes.
 
7:13 PM
i never said tell them their wrong
i asked how to change them
 
Frankly I don't think you even read my answer, considering you are acting as if I said "you can't" when I literally never say that
You need to understand why companies and employees find contracting (and not having the stuff you are asking for) beneficial before you can try to persuade them it is valuable
 
in your response you referenced "most companies" and "quite a few contractors"
i don't care about what you think is the majority
assume i'm in the minority if you have to
if you don't have an answer for the question, then don't answer it
 
@im1dermike if you know answers to your questions then why are you posting a question? the majority of software consulting companies act exactly like I answered. If they don't then you wouldn't be asking this question to begin with
Your question is somewhat like asking, "how can I get Ford to make airplanes?"
 
i've never answered my question. the problem is your assumptions and generalizations were completely unconstructive
 
@im1dermike My assumptions are based on how the overwhelming majority of consulting companies work across the board (and frankly industries, not just software dev)
 
user55340
7:17 PM
I'd also point out at consultancies, career development doesn't exist. Skill development may.
 
and the answer would be to explain to them why making airplanes is better
which is the explanation i'm looking for
 
user55340
(well, unless you are at an "up or out" and move developers to management positions...)
 
enderland: so you're saying no culture at a consulting company can be changed?
 
user55340
Tek systems (I worked there) had no skill or career development provided by the company. Everything that you wanted to do beyond the contract you were at was on your own dime.
 
@im1dermike So you want an answer to a question just about your specific company
which means that no one outside the company can answer it
 
7:19 PM
@im1dermike I'm saying the majority of people going to automotive companies trying to convince them to make airplanes instead are going to have significant difficulties in being successful, since they are trying to change the essence of what those companies are
 
we're giving general advice because your question is general
 
@Ampt: assume it's possible to have peer reviews at a consulting company
ok?
now tell me how you'd convince someone to do that
 
user55340
Taos (I worked there) regularly had speakers (Randal Schwartz came to talk once!) about technology and contracting issues. When you weren't out on a contract, you were paid to be on the beach and work on developing your skills in the lab.
 
> You need to make a case for why this is valuable to your current company. Why is it a value-add thing for them to do lunch/learns? Or peer programming?

Make this case and your company will be more receptive to that sort of thing.
 
@im1dermike whats your position? Do you have clout? Are you a manager?
 
psr
7:19 PM
@Ampt Oddly, yes. Maple bacon donuts are pretty good.
 
user55340
ADC (I worked there) occasionally had non-billable internal projects to work on getting the company into a new technology. Everything else was on your own dime.
 
@Ampt: no, but i have balls
 
@im1dermike You're gonna go far kid.
 
user55340
The maple bacon donut is a breakfast or dessert food that has become popular in some areas of the United States. It is distinct from other donuts because of the prominent bacon and maple syrup–flavored glaze used for toppings and has been discussed in the media as part of the phenomenon sometimes referred to as bacon mania. == Popular history == The Swirls bakery in Omaha, Nebraska started a "maple bacon donut craze" with its version sometimes referred to as "The Elvis". The bakery's owner, Dawn Brown, said she wanted something shocking that people would love or hate, and would talk about. She...
 
i already have
 
user41796
7:21 PM
@psr I can see this. But what about drinks?
 
@im1dermike Congratulations!
 
thanks!
 
well, now that that's out of the way.
@MichaelT they just put bacon on them?
 
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user55340
Now, back to your regularly scheduled maple bacon...
 
7:23 PM
right? that looks delicious
 
maple shaft? or bacon. I'm confuzed
 
user41796
@enderland drop the extra word in the middle
 
user41796
Maple + BACON!
 
user41796
So I ask because Maple Crown Royal is really, really tasty
 
user55340
You know you want to make a shot of maple bacon using bakonvodka.com
 
user41796
7:24 PM
but it's too sweet to be a sipping whiskey
 
user55340
Bacon vodka is vodka infused with bacon flavor, part of a larger trend of "carnivorous cocktails" and the addition of savory flavor to mixed drinks. The infused alcohol can be sipped but is typically used in mixed drinks like the Bloody Mary or bacon martini. == History and commercial availability == Meat-infused beverages are nothing new to the cocktail world, some famous examples include the "Bull Shot" at Ernest Hemingway's favorite haunt, Harry's Bar, in Venice, Italy, in the 1940s. These type of drinks have been referenced by writers as far back as the 17th century, including by John Locke...
 
user41796
maple, bacon hot chocolate then?
 
user55340
> Bacon-flavored vodka infusions can be made by pouring 120 g (4 oz) of bacon fat in 750 ml (a fifth) of vodka, continuously stirring, freezing and then removing the fat off the top. The process is known as 'fat-washing'.
 
can't we just be happy with bacon dipped in maple syrup?
when does it end?!
 
user41796
1 min ago, by GlenH7
So I ask because Maple Crown Royal is really, really tasty
 
user55340
7:25 PM
@GlenH7 Maple Crown Royal + Bacon Vodka?
 
quick, someone get a shot glass, I have an idea
 
user41796
I could see that as a shot, yes
 
user55340
Btw, new wood project idea for you @Ampt : artbooom.com/sculptures-wood-lee-jae-hyo
 
@MichaelT did you see that table on reddit?
 
user41796
Clearly I'm old since I kind of recoil at the idea of shooting shots anymore
 
user55340
7:27 PM
@Ampt which one?
 
user55340
@Ampt I like the simplicity of it.
 
Yeah. and the lines are fantastic
really a wonderful piece
 
user55340
You've also seen the magnetic one... right?
 
no?
 
user55340
7:29 PM
 
O.O
 
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oh there are strings?
 
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user55340
Wires. need to hold it together.
 
7:30 PM
so the wires are constantly being pulled on
 
user55340
Yep.
 
interesting
wonder how far it would go if you cut all the strings at once
 
user55340
And then there's this style...
 
user55340
 
seen that one
want it
but not 10k want it
I like that one I linked more than the ocean one
 
user41796
7:31 PM
@Ampt You just need more billable hours...
 
user55340
 
lol
 
user41796
@MichaelT I've done a fair amount of woodworking. It amazes me when you see someone take the craft well into the realm of art like that.
 
user55340
 
I think the glasscutting is more incredible
 
user55340
7:34 PM
 
@MichaelT that looks totally safe
what could ever go wrong
 
user55340
 
user55340
@Ampt I assume you peruse the DIY reddit? reddit.com/r/DIY
 
user41796
This is why I avoid reddit... :-)
 
user55340
7:37 PM
@GlenH7 There's lots of interesting stuff there... yea... thats the point. Occasionally you find a nice discussion for when you want one.
 
user55340
I also find it useful to be aware of it and what goes on there (like that Uncle Bob video - I think it wasin /r/clojure ) so that I can say "no, this isn't a good SE question, you're after a discussion like that of /r/programming)
 
user55340
the resumes are crap one was also from reddit.
 
user41796
but the time sink!
 
user41796
The clojure video was good though. As was the resume link.
 
user55340
@GlenH7 time isn't exactly a problem for me at the moment.
 
user41796
7:39 PM
True
 
user41796
Did the University formally close things out, or just not get back to you yet?
 
user55340
And the thing is, you look for what is interesting... not everything. Being able to find things that are interesting on my own is one of the key points of my meta.SE post.
 
user55340
@GlenH7 I am of the understanding that its closed out... I'm looking at other options now.
 
user55340
Still need to write a cover letter for the court job that uses scala and wants people who aren't afraid of FP.
 
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user41796
7:41 PM
Bummer, sorry to hear of the lack of updates. Frustrating when organizations don't keep candidates updated in a timely manner
 
user41796
I turned around 4 or 5 candidate inquiries this week within 2 - 3 days of their applying. Regrettably, none of them were qualified, but at least they know that the particular path had been closed.
 
user55340
The one that had that video interview has a new position... though the video interview was from the recruitment agency that they had hired to fill the position. If I find my self dealing with that same recruitment agency I'll apologize for wasting their time.
 
user41796
Or maybe the new position is because they've fired the recruiting agency over the videos... :-)
 
user55340
Anyways... two applications in the process... and that one I need to write a cover letter for.
 
user55340
Need to dig more into state jobs.
 
user55340
7:48 PM
I'm still amused at the glass door site data for the state jobs...
 
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user41796
That's kinda funny.
 
user55340
@GlenH7 yep. It is.
 
@GlenH7 yeah I always try to give same day or next day feedback
 
user41796
Situational humor I guess.
 
user41796
7:51 PM
@MattGiltaji We try to provide a response to candidates within 24 - 48 hours after interviewing.
 
user41796
For those we chose to extend an offer to, we may not have the package immediately available, but the HR person leaves them with a very positive message.
 
I wish most companies did this
 
user41796
Honestly, it's less work to do it that way
 
user55340
hmmm... blue honey... from bees near an M&M factory.
 
user41796
Granted, you have to be willing to interrupt other stuff to do the reviews. But it also means you don't have "yet another task" looming over you.
 
user55340
7:53 PM
 
user41796
@MichaelT for real?
 
user55340
Correction is that the bees were getting sugars from waste material to be used in biogas production... which included material from an M&M factory.
 
user55340
Translation of article (french originally): reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2mrk3b/…
 
user55340
Similar issue a bit ago with what was likely maraschino cherries: nytimes.com/2010/11/30/nyregion/30bigcity.html?_r=0
 
user55340
7:58 PM
 
user41796
@MichaelT They should have made mead from all the blue honey - think of the premium they could have sold that for.
 
user55340
@GlenH7 europe... they're always worried about the other stuff in there (was any of it from GMO)
 
user41796
bah, the alcohols will kill it off. So says the American.
 
user41796
I'd really like to get my mead bottled this weekend. It's been aging in the carboy for almost 17 months now
 
8:16 PM
oh man I just lit off the largest firework I possibly could have lit at my work
 
user41796
@enderland details!
 
user41796
FWAH HA HA HA. That'll be epic. I wonder if I'll be able to see some of the larger explosions from here.
 
no I'll just have to revert changes most likely
 
user41796
That's so anticlimactic.
 
user41796
We expect more from you than that.
 
8:27 PM
@MichaelT I wish you would take a step back from that ledge my frieeend
Cut ties with all the 'nads you've been 'grammin' innnn
If you do not want to see new again, I would understaaaaaaaaand
Cool. Cool cool cool.
Monospace italics?
Monospace italics?
damn, why have I not tried this before.
What about bold-italicized-monospace font
 
user55340
ʇuoɟ ɐɹǝɯɐɔ ʍǝᴉʌ
 
Psh, that hardly counts.
 
8:42 PM
talked to my career counselor. He thought this would be a good opportunity for growth, and to ask about that kind of stuff
so I'm going to meet with the manager who was talking to me about it and see what kind of future opportunities this would be
if I would be able to move laterally in the future
that kind of stuff
df
 
user41796
@Ampt That's a good widget. Try to fit yourself well into the corporate machinery. :-)
 
@GlenH7 Had to double check the name on that one :P
No, my cc is pretty cool. worked at a variety of different companies and has moved up pretty fast. he's evened out lately due to starting a new family, but he's done well
 
user41796
Seriously though, you win career brownie points by putting the company's needs first. Even if you don't take the offer, they'll note that you investigated it and treated it seriously.
 
So I would lose out on travel, but potentially move up through the ranks faster, which I'm OK with
 
user41796
That's not a bad thing at all
 
user41796
8:51 PM
higher salary means you can go on vacation where you want instead of where the company wants.
 
user55340
@GlenH7 ... because we all know "fix that machine in Duluth" is such a vacation.
 
user41796
'cause let's be honest, most contracts aren't in top vacation spots
 
I was worried that I would get "stuck" but he was very re-assuring that that's not how it works and that many, many people move laterally in the company and that it's seen as a highly desireable thing to keep things from getting stale
He definitely saw this move as "Up" from my current role in terms of hierarchy
 
user41796
Dedicated widget role vs. cog in the grist mill is an improvement. Apologies for the cynical descriptions
 
user55340
There are lots of ways up from entry level, even if not immediately apparent. Being more familiar with many technologies is an 'up' because it allows you to move into the 'architect' direction.
 
user41796
8:55 PM
And while harsh & cynical, it calls out the difference
 
user41796
You were good enough to be promoted to a widget instead of a cog that they can throw anywhere
 
9:10 PM
your faith in me is overwhelming, please, try and contain yourself
 
user41796
I didn't say you wouldn't be a good widget...
 
you know around here a widget is a deep fried ball of dough covered in sugar
 
user41796
@Ampt how about maple syrup?
 
@GlenH7 hand holding <> being categorized as a "widget"
I'm sure from your perspective that margin looks razor thin, but if you take off your crap-covered glasses, you'll see it's quite large
 
user41796
I know, but I couldn't resist the ageist taunt.
 
9:13 PM
@GlenH7 Yeah, yeah, you're the troublemaker of the room :P
 
user41796
@Ampt Not covered in crap, just hideously yellowed from being so old.
 
user55340
 
user55340
A cog in a machine making widgets?
 
@MichaelT go take a picture.
:P
 
user55340
 
9:14 PM
@MichaelT your exposure is off.
 
user55340
@Ampt its snow.
 
@MichaelT and here I thought you had your telephoto pointing at the sun
 
user55340
And admit it... you'd love to have a mini doughnut machine.
 
I'd be lying if I said I didn't....
 
user55340
Take it in to work... set it up in the break room.
 
user41796
9:16 PM
@MichaelT VP in no time
 
@GlenH7 Cmon, that's CEO level material
 
user41796
@Ampt maple glazed fresh donuts is CEO level....
 
user55340
@GlenH7 bacon maple...
 
I love the profits page... just have to sell 2400 mini donoughts
 
user41796
9:17 PM
@MichaelT That's chairman of the board...
 
user55340
I wonder what it would be like to add the bacon maple liqueurs to the batter...
 
user55340
@Ampt break room at lunch I tell you.
 
I'm still upset you guys didn't like my adaptation of jumper :P
 
user41796
I like how they ignored equipment startup costs
 
user55340
@GlenH7 capital expenditure for starting a new business.
 
9:20 PM
and the electical requirements... 5KW
 
user55340
@Ampt or propane options available.
 
Not sure the break room is "Propane donut shop" ready
 
user55340
Not sure if I should point this out... but there are smaller sized ones for home use... geekalerts.com/automatic-mini-donut-maker
 
user55340
compare industrial size...
 
psr
@MichaelT I wonder at how many calories per day this becomes cost effective vs. just buying donuts?
 
user55340
@psr but then you have to determine who's turn it is to buy the croissants doughnuts.
 
user41796
@psr You gotta put a price on the fresh aspect too
 
user41796
I generally don't like Krispy Kreme donuts, but I think the samples they offer that just came off of the line are quite tasty.
 
user55340
Dunkin... apple fritters.
 
user41796
9:31 PM
Quite a few folk I know were ecstatic when we got DD back in town.
 
user55340
This is an implementation issue and would best be asked on Stack Overflow, but would be closed as a duplicate of How to test code that writes to stdout?MichaelT 35 secs ago
 
user55340
(I knew there was an answer to that somewhere around)
 
user41796
@MichaelT That's where I wrote that dang answer...
 
user55340
@GlenH7 you were looking for it too?
 
user41796
Checked on Progs only...
 
user55340
9:33 PM
I was "maybe he wrote it over there..."
 
user41796
Yep. I could remember writing it, but couldn't find it in my answers. Also kind of gave up quickly since I'm working on some code too
 
user55340
I remember talking about it here.
 
user41796
I think it had some MSO drama wrapped around it
 
psr
@GlenH7 Shh, you're making ampt think you're 110 years old.
 
user55340
Thats right... @RobertHarvey did the 'mod close' and then it got reopened, and then closed, and then mod reopened...
 
user55340
9:35 PM
@psr thats only 6 in decimal...
 
user41796
And 120 repz later... :-)
 
user55340
unpinning some less funny star pins so that more regular stars can show up...
 
user41796
@MichaelT Anything older than 12 hours is fair game in my book.
 
user55340
I'll let 4 stars stick around for awhile.
 
user41796
@MichaelT And you pulled down a self-delete with your comment. Props.
 
user55340
9:40 PM
@GlenH7 We gave the person the direction for the proper answer.
 
user55340
3
Q: Is pantsless writing practical for NaNoWriMo?

Matt Ellen Those of you who like to just sit down and write what comes out, you all are known as pantsless writers. — KitFox We have a question on preparing for NaNoWriMo, but what if you start a NaNoWriMo manuscript without much of a plan, how do you determine what happens next? Are there processes ...

 
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o_O
 
user55340
"Home is where the pants aren't." How do you determine what happens next? Same way as ever, you think and you decide. How do you keep your plot going for 50,000 words? Keep throwing obstacles in your characters' paths. — David Conrad 1 hour ago
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn didn't you have aspirations to writing?
 
user55340
(come on... its November... when people write quick novels and grow facial hair)
 
user15026
10:01 PM
@michaelT I do, but I am also not a masochist.
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn so that means an electric razor rather than a straight razor when Dec 1 comes along after no shave November?
 
user55340
(btw, for programmers... 7DRL - 7 Day Rogue Like Challenge)
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn more appropriately, there's a book "Agent to the Stars" that an author that I read wrote... the thing was he wrote a novel that he didn't care about first... so that the edits and critiques to it wouldn't be a moral blow to his psyche.
 
user55340
Agent to the Stars is a novel by John Scalzi. It tells the story of Tom Stein, a young Hollywood agent who is hired by an alien race to handle the revelation of their presence to humanity. Scalzi started Agent to the Stars in 1997 as his "practice" novel, to see if he could write a novel. He published it as a shareware novel on his web site in 1999, requesting that readers send him $1 if they liked the story. After five years, during which he reports he made about $4,000, he stopped asking for further donations. After the publication of Scalzi's second book, Old Man's War, by Tor Books, a limited...
 
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(online version: scalzi.com/agent )
 
user55340
10:08 PM
>
In sitting down to write the novel, I decided to make it easy on myself. I decided first that I wasn't going to try to write something near and dear to my heart, just a fun story. That way, if I screwed it up (which was a real possibility), it wasn't like I was screwing up the One Story That Mattered To Me. I decided also that the goal of writing the novel was the actual writing of it -- not the selling of it, which is usually the goal of a novelist. I didn't want to worry about whether it was good enough to sell; I just wanted to have the experience of writing a story over the length of
 
user55340
Or from the start of the novel... because @AshleyNunn likely has a headset...
 
user55340
> Headsets are a godsend; they allow you to speak on the phone while leaving your hands free for the truly important things. My hands were currently occupied with a blue rubber racquetball, which I was lightly bouncing off the pane of my office window. Each quiet thock left a tiny imprint on the glass. It looked like a litter of poodles had levitated six feet off the ground and schmooged their noses against the window. Someone would eventually have to wipe them all off.
 
user15026
10:20 PM
I've read some Scalzi, but not that one.
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn Old man's war?
 
user15026
Well, it and agent to the stars
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn that bit is from the start of Agent to the Stars...
 
user15026
I should add it to my to-read list.
 
user55340
(another odd / fun Scalzi book: )
 
user55340
And if you've only touched on Scalazi in Old Man's War... you should read the rest of the series/universe.
 
user55340
Ghost Brigades (touches on the special ops part of the human race), then The Last Colony which deals with a bit more of the colonization process and other intergalactic politics. Zoe's Tale is The last Colony from Zoe's point of view (tries to fill in some gaps in the previous novel)
 
user55340
And then The Human Division which deals with a diplomacy corps (and the politics in a post last colony terrain)
 
user55340
I'd recommend them all... I'll also make mention of Fuzzy Nation
 
user55340
H. Bean Piper is a very good author... people have often worked at expanding the Fuzzy universe.
 
user55340
And then... once again, back to Scalzi... another fun novel (he's good with fun novels):
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn so go bak and read All the Scalzi.
 
user55340
10:30 PM
... and more o_O from world building...
 
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11
Q: What would the real Miss Universe pageant be like?

MikhailTalLet us say that the humans, with our era of technology plus 5 to 10 years, are contacted by an intergalactic alien union. They want us to join them, and we gladly do. As it is common when several countries with non-military purposes invade each other, they participate in competitions together. Le...

 
user15026
@michaelT yes sir. :) (I am reading The Younger Gods right now, and it is nowhere near as good as the geekomancy books even taking the change in audience into account.)
 
user55340
If you're willing to hunt up some urban fantasy... I like Bad Magic.
 
user55340
(hmm... thought it was Bad Magic... I know I've got an ePub of it...)
 
user55340
There we go...
 
user15026
I do like urban fantasy.
 
user55340
Rider watches her root for aluminum in overflowing trash cans. Lawyers and marketers in their daytime finery pass by without seeing—perfect. He can approach without difficulty.

Cracked eyes meet his. Grime lips croak “Spare change?” He draws his wallet and hands her a ten-dollar bill. She squints at it. While she tries to think of something to say, Rider reaches out with a metaphor and takes her invisibility from her. She can tell something has happened—looks around, realizes the suits are staring with sick horror. As Rider slips away, teeth gritted with the effort of holding on, he watche
 
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(just scanning it again... its a fun book)
 
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My notes in the pub version... Rider works in metaphor and symbolism (there's also a totemist in the group, an elementals, voodoo shaman...)
 
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> There are more ships coming toward them; they have no time to waste. Rider tears a volume of the Congressional Record in two; the Zodiac inflates.
 
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10:54 PM
I've got a note there "lots of wind / hot air?"
 
hi
i would like to understand the meaning of data encapsulation in this 3 classes Critter Shark Fish classes of this project, can somebody help me on this?
 
11:19 PM
@MichaelT my reading list grows anew and I blame you for this
hi @overexchange, I don't think we've met before. Is that project part of a homework assignment or something?
 
11:48 PM
@MattGiltaji yes it is an assignment
@MattGiltaji i understand what abstract data type is in this code, but not data encapsulation
RunLengthEncoding class is a right example to pick for explanation
 
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